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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:10 pm

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Why won't they deploy 773s on LAX-EWR :[


Purchased to fly high capacity long range international routes.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:12 pm

A319 fleet additions (ex-China Southern a/c:
N892UA to exit VCV paint 2770/20Apr, ready for rev service?
N893UA in VCV 2770/20Apr for paint

763:
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:24 pm

Bald1983 wrote:
BG777300ER wrote:
Why won't they deploy 773s on LAX-EWR :[


Purchased to fly high capacity long range international routes.


Haha, I meant while they use them to fly SFO-EWR.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:43 pm

BG777300ER wrote:
Bald1983 wrote:
BG777300ER wrote:
Why won't they deploy 773s on LAX-EWR :[


Purchased to fly high capacity long range international routes.


Haha, I meant while they use them to fly SFO-EWR.


SFO-EWR is more premium for United and crews on either end are flying the airplane in international service too. LAX probably won't see the 77W unless the company acquires more (new or more likely used).
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:31 pm

UAL747422 wrote:
AA737-823 wrote:
UAL747422 wrote:
Deliveries of 777-300ers will continue through the year. All Boeing 747-400s will also be retired by the end of 2017 :(. A350's also to be received in the next couple of years. More E175's, 737s. Also phasing out some 757s :(. Considering A321 NEO as 757 replacement.


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Was there a point to your post?


No real point. I was just writing what I heard from my friend who flies the 772 at UAL. He told me all that awhile ago. Thanks for the warm welcome!


If you have time to read all ten pages of this thread you'll see all this stuff gets thrashed back and forth in never ending volleys. It gets crazy sometimes. Most people here are nice, others not so much :biting: . Please don't take it personally if someone :flamed: you for some minor reason.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:37 pm

BG777300ER wrote:
Bald1983 wrote:
BG777300ER wrote:
Why won't they deploy 773s on LAX-EWR :[


Purchased to fly high capacity long range international routes.


Haha, I meant while they use them to fly SFO-EWR.


Actually today they did. The back part of the plane is pretty empty.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:42 pm

CONTACREW wrote:
UAL747422 wrote:
Deliveries of 777-300ers will continue through the year. All Boeing 747-400s will also be retired by the end of 2017 :(. A350's also to be received in the next couple of years. More E175's, 737s. Also phasing out some 757s :(. Considering A321 NEO as 757 replacement.


All 15 28J 752s will be gone by end of next year.



That is general thought, but nothing concrete on fleet plan. Interesting that last month engineering asked about possible funding for the NGS kits. Mind you these kits have about a 700 day lead time, plus these would be done under special holds too. Haven't heard any thing further, but I would be very surprised if this option stays on the table.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:42 pm

Boeing12345 wrote:
CONTACREW wrote:
UAL747422 wrote:
Deliveries of 777-300ers will continue through the year. All Boeing 747-400s will also be retired by the end of 2017 :(. A350's also to be received in the next couple of years. More E175's, 737s. Also phasing out some 757s :(. Considering A321 NEO as 757 replacement.


All 15 28J 752s will be gone by end of next year.



That is general thought, but nothing concrete on fleet plan. Interesting that last month engineering asked about possible funding for the NGS kits. Mind you these kits have about a 700 day lead time, plus these would be done under special holds too. Haven't heard any thing further, but I would be very surprised if this option stays on the table.


Must have missed that memo.. NGS kits? :confused:
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:56 pm

Yeah what are NGS kits?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:02 pm

Nitrogen generating system
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:30 am

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Nitrogen generating system


Ah :bigthumbsup:
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:39 am

763:
N647UA exit MCN 2777/20Apr (maintenance), first commercial flight 940/EWR-LHR/20Apr
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:38 am

So what is the future of P.S.? I know they can use sCO 752s for a while, but that is a real capacity hit in J, especially compared to AA. It would almost seem like a Smisek style retreat, but I thought Kirby was going to go back to fighting for LAX. I'm sure there will be some odd Wide-bodies, but I don't see them flying those to BOS. Right after the merger, I thought the original plan was to make a subfleet of 739s to take over PS. With no clear replacement for 752s and 763s in sight, there is only so much sacrificing of international flying they can do for PS. The dollar won't be this strong against the Euro forever.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:01 pm

A319 fleet addition (ex-China Southern a/c):
N892UA first revenue sevice sked 412/22Apr SFO-MEX
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:47 pm

Bald1983 wrote:
BG777300ER wrote:
Bald1983 wrote:

Purchased to fly high capacity long range international routes.


Haha, I meant while they use them to fly SFO-EWR.


Actually today they did. The back part of the plane is pretty empty.


Seriously?? What flight? I fly LAX-EWR-LAX roundtrip every week, and I miss this!
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:50 pm

cosyr wrote:
So what is the future of P.S.? I know they can use sCO 752s for a while, but that is a real capacity hit in J, especially compared to AA. It would almost seem like a Smisek style retreat, but I thought Kirby was going to go back to fighting for LAX. I'm sure there will be some odd Wide-bodies, but I don't see them flying those to BOS. Right after the merger, I thought the original plan was to make a subfleet of 739s to take over PS. With no clear replacement for 752s and 763s in sight, there is only so much sacrificing of international flying they can do for PS. The dollar won't be this strong against the Euro forever.


Making a subfleet of 739s into PS config is a no brainer right? Or even the new 739 MAXs? They can carry just about the same passenger payload as 752s, and range/takeoff weight is not an issue on Coast to Coast flights for the 739s. Essentially the 739s can perform the exact same job the 752s do on PS service since that route does not push the 752 to its limit at allt? I know the fuselage is wide enough to fit 4 lie flats across. Am I missing something?

I think if UA is considering the A321NEO/MoM, it would be strictly for routes the 752 currently does internationally. The 739s can more than do the job any 752s do today domestically.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:35 pm

BG777300ER wrote:
cosyr wrote:
So what is the future of P.S.? I know they can use sCO 752s for a while, but that is a real capacity hit in J, especially compared to AA. It would almost seem like a Smisek style retreat, but I thought Kirby was going to go back to fighting for LAX. I'm sure there will be some odd Wide-bodies, but I don't see them flying those to BOS. Right after the merger, I thought the original plan was to make a subfleet of 739s to take over PS. With no clear replacement for 752s and 763s in sight, there is only so much sacrificing of international flying they can do for PS. The dollar won't be this strong against the Euro forever.


Making a subfleet of 739s into PS config is a no brainer right? Or even the new 739 MAXs? They can carry just about the same passenger payload as 752s, and range/takeoff weight is not an issue on Coast to Coast flights for the 739s. Essentially the 739s can perform the exact same job the 752s do on PS service since that route does not push the 752 to its limit at allt? I know the fuselage is wide enough to fit 4 lie flats across. Am I missing something?

I think if UA is considering the A321NEO/MoM, it would be strictly for routes the 752 currently does internationally. The 739s can more than do the job any 752s do today domestically.


The 739s are already on property and would therefore require a smaller capital expense to convert them to P.S. vs. buying a whole new type (using the MAX could prove to be an even more financially sound choice as they could be configured for P.S. straight from the factory).

However, I think ordering the A321NEO / A321LR / or a MoM (assuming Boeing can have it ready before all the current 752s are dead and buried) could have significant upsides too. As you already pointed out, those types could easily be used on thinner international routes in addition to P.S. The 739s/MAXs will be more-or-less limited to domestic P.S. service only. If you need a sub-fleet I would think it would be better to make them as useful as possible; limiting the aircraft to one (albeit very profitable) service seems dangerous.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:36 pm

I think if UA is considering the A321NEO/MoM, it would be strictly for routes the 752 currently does internationally. The 739s can more than do the job any 752s do today domestically.[/quote]

Putting aside for a moment that I totally lack the experience or insights on United p.s. and international 757 TATL flights (outside of being a heavy flier of both) think that using the 737MAX9 for p.s. with either Polaris or similar all aisle access seats upfront, the new bulkhead design (so it looks far better than your average UA 737), a decent sized E+ section would be absolutely great, even if they added an additional frequency because it held a few less pax than a 757.

As for the A321 for TATL routes, I would LOVE to see that out of EWR until a MoM is launched. After being in Polaris on the 77W and seeing the latest renovated lounges, I think UA is doing a nice job with the brand hard product refreshes and especially on brand new aircraft. A big announcement along those lines (IMHO) could help get the bad PR situation behind them even faster.

It would do a lot for EWR...which now that I mention EWR, the new security system with the new conveyor belts and bins is the best security check-point I have ever been through so far. I think I read that United is responsible for putting those in at Terminal C. If so, they deserve some kudos for that!
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BG777300ER
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:53 pm

Yes, they have those new security lines at United's LAX terminal...totally great.

The reason I bring up the 739MAX is, United has 100 x 739MAXs on order of which the first come on board in 2018, which happens to be the year the legacy United PS 752s are retiring. No other type is close to replacement other than the 752s (Oldest 739 is 16 years old, and oldest 739ER is 8-9 yrs old). So perhaps United is already planning to use them to replace most of the 56 remaining 757s? I don't think United bought 100 of these for pure expansion?
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:41 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
763:
N647UA exit MCN 2777/20Apr (maintenance), first commercial flight 940/EWR-LHR/20Apr


But still with the old cabin? When will they start to install the new cabins on the 767s with PMUA cabins?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:18 pm

Regarding 737s on ps service, I have a couple of thoughts.
1.) I believe ps has a slightly lower utilization rate due to the nature of transcons and time zone changes. Most units get one RT/day, where some can get a one way. Also, a higher spare ratio is required due to the smaller fleet. You'd think placing newer aircraft on these routes wouldn't get the high utilization to save UA the most in fuel.
2.) If the mid cabin lav can be moved during construction, it may work better to use the 737MAX9 as the entire F section could be in front of the mid cabin lav. This could make seating around the lav more efficient, but, the lavs probably can't be located too close to the overwing exits.
3.) With a lower seat count, would the westbound transcon segment require enough annual fuel stops to make more sense for ps service on the 737MAX?
4.) Obviously the 737MAX9s will have new interiors with space bins, etc. - while this could be done reconverting 739ERs, is a new aircraft more desirable or noticeable for the passenger?
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:31 pm

In my opinion - to you point #4: absolutely a brand new aircraft with new everything is noticeable to everyone, even if on a subconscious level. Just go to the lavatories! But, it a refurbishment is not half baked, and everything is truly upgraded, new lavatories and all, perhaps an older 737, 767, 757 could be perceived as brand new to the average flier. Delta can do it.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:21 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
3.) With a lower seat count, would the westbound transcon segment require enough annual fuel stops to make more sense for ps service on the 737MAX?

You bring up a really interesting point. I have often thought, something like P.S. would be a good solution for the non ER 739 fleet of only 12, which might solve some logistical difficulties for UA, but range definitely seems like it would be a problem. However, I had never considered that with fewer seats, the range could be extended. If a P.S. 739 had maybe only 120-130 seats on it, would it increase the range enough to reliably eliminate fuel stops year round?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:02 am

That's a great idea. However, while it would be convenient to move the 12 non-ERs to ps, I believe the range loss (even with lower TOW), would prevent such a choice.
The 739 has a 14k lower gross TOW and 1000 gallons lower fuel capacity.
Yes, you'd lose about 25 total passengers going to a ps configuration, that equals about 5,000 lbs.
I would expect ps seats/catering equipment may offset the weight loss of 25 Y seats.
UA has so many 739s, it probably isn't much of a problem keeping the non-ER from the longest routes.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:49 pm

77W
UA now has five in service... kinda. The first three have been flying passengers for weeks. The fourth has flown a few revenues and is now sitting in SFO. Fifth has ferried hub to hub but has yet to see a single paying customer. It's now in LAX. Neither show any activity for today on FlightAware.... not yet anyway...
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