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Re: Cseries orders for 2017

Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:45 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Jetsouth wrote:
Maybe the rumored IAG order is the big order that Bombardier said that they would be receiving sometime in 2017


I'm not sure how a 2017 delivery would be possible, the lead time is more than 12 months.

He meant that Bombardier was saying that a big order would be placed sometime this year, not that deliveries would start this year.
 
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Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:12 pm

And that big IAG order coming in any day - that's not going to happen. I don't mean that IAG won't order C-Series at some point, they may do or they may not do, but their corporate structure means that they have to secure stockholder agreement before placing a large order. So even if the IAG management agreed terms with Bombardier tomorrow, they then have to convene a special General Meeting of stockholders (or place the order on the agenda of the Annual General Meeting), hold the meeting, and get the vote through. Months away at best.
Of course a large order by Bombardier standards may not be one by IAG standards -
 
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Re: Cseries orders for 2017

Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:35 pm

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How about LH Group ordering the C for SN? It can replace the 146.


I would love to see Brussels Airlines ordering the Cseries, but aren't the wetleased SSJs supposed to replace the RJ100? How many airports do they fly to where they need something smaller than an A319?
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Re: Cseries orders for 2017

Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:40 pm

I doubt LH Group will order any C-series for SN until it is clear how the whole Brussels Airlines/Eurowings thing shakes out.
 
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Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:09 pm

Bostrom wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
How about LH Group ordering the C for SN? It can replace the 146.


I would love to see Brussels Airlines ordering the Cseries, but aren't the wetleased SSJs supposed to replace the RJ100? How many airports do they fly to where they need something smaller than an A319?

There are only 3 or 4 SSJ's replacing the remaining Avro's, most of the routes are upgraded to A319/A320. The main reasons for the wet leases are BMA (cannot accept A319 yet), limited crew availability due to conversion training from Avro to A32F and a few "high yield" destinations that are not ready yet for an A319.

The A32F will be the backbone of the fleet for the next 10y with the majority of the lease contracts well into the middle of next decade. The A319 leases that expire in the next 2-3 years will be replaced by A321.

I'd also love to see CSeries in SN colors, but the chances are very slim if we are realistic. The management is also very keen on operating an Airbus-only fleet by the end of this year (smaller aircraft will be wet leased).

I don't see a place for the CSeries in SN's fleet before 2022-23, and definitely no decision about a new 140-seater in the next 3-4 years.
 
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Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:41 pm

Still seems to be a lot of rumors out there that IAG is going to announce a CSeries order very shortly.
 
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Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:20 pm

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Still seems to be a lot of rumors out there that IAG is going to announce a CSeries order very shortly.


Tomorrow IAG will present 2016 results and there are high possibilities to announce first destinations and frequencies of the new long haul base from BCN and the purchase of C Series for BA, VY and EI. So we must stay tuned tomorrow.
 
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Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:59 am

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Jetsouth wrote:
Still seems to be a lot of rumors out there that IAG is going to announce a CSeries order very shortly.


Tomorrow IAG will present 2016 results and there are high possibilities to announce first destinations and frequencies of the new long haul base from BCN and the purchase of C Series for BA, VY and EI. So we must stay tuned tomorrow.

IAG CEO denies the rumors: IAG boss denies CS300 order reports
The Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of IAG International Airlines Group, Willie Walsh, has outright rejected reports in the Northern Irish press linking the conglomerate to the possible purchase of C-Series twinjets from Bombardier.
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Re: Cseries orders for 2017

Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:38 am

Paolo92 wrote:
nascar1 wrote:
Jetsouth wrote:
Still seems to be a lot of rumors out there that IAG is going to announce a CSeries order very shortly.


Tomorrow IAG will present 2016 results and there are high possibilities to announce first destinations and frequencies of the new long haul base from BCN and the purchase of C Series for BA, VY and EI. So we must stay tuned tomorrow.

IAG CEO denies the rumors: IAG boss denies CS300 order reports
The Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of IAG International Airlines Group, Willie Walsh, has outright rejected reports in the Northern Irish press linking the conglomerate to the possible purchase of C-Series twinjets from Bombardier.
[...]


Who knows, I remember Air Canada denying any interest in the CSeries, just before ordering them.
 
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Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:30 pm

Jetsouth wrote:
Paolo92 wrote:
nascar1 wrote:

Tomorrow IAG will present 2016 results and there are high possibilities to announce first destinations and frequencies of the new long haul base from BCN and the purchase of C Series for BA, VY and EI. So we must stay tuned tomorrow.

IAG CEO denies the rumors: IAG boss denies CS300 order reports
The Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of IAG International Airlines Group, Willie Walsh, has outright rejected reports in the Northern Irish press linking the conglomerate to the possible purchase of C-Series twinjets from Bombardier.
[...]


Who knows, I remember Air Canada denying any interest in the CSeries, just before ordering them.


The Air Canada order had aspects that could hardly be repeated, most important of them the explicit bargain with amends the contentious Air Canada Public Participation Act (ACPPA).
 
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Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:13 pm

I feel like we are only a few weeks away from another order from a different airline or group. I feel like American Airlines might buy CS100's or maybe Air France-Klm. I hope that rumour that kicked around for a while about IAG buying CSeries jets is actually going to go through as I think it would do much better in the European market than in the Asian one.
 
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Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:13 am

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I feel like we are only a few weeks away from another order from a different airline or group. I feel like American Airlines might buy CS100's or maybe Air France-Klm. I hope that rumour that kicked around for a while about IAG buying CSeries jets is actually going to go through as I think it would do much better in the European market than in the Asian one.



errrr.....based on what facts or rumours?? I see it's only your second post here, but these kind of unfounded comment only lower quality of this forum. Please try to explain more why you think it will happen?

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Re: Cseries orders for 2017

Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:23 pm

Not really a new order but Swiss converted more CS100 to the larger CS300.

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Re: Cseries orders for 2017

Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:32 pm

Now if only production could get rolling.
 
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Re: Cseries orders for 2017

Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:43 pm

According to this list: http://www.abcdlist.nl/cseries/cseries.html


5 CS100 and 2 CS300 are with Bombardier, test a/c.
4 CS100 are with Bombardier, stored.
6 CS100 with Swiss
2 CS300 with Baltic

How many will be produced this year? And how many are in 2018 projected?
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Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:50 pm

Dutchy wrote:
How many will be produced this year? And how many are in 2018 projected?


Below is a delivery schedule:

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Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:54 pm

Thanks, Karel, hopefully they will make it. Wish them all the best. Wit lots of prospects out there, they have a fighting chance.
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Re: Cseries orders for 2017

Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:41 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
How many will be produced this year? And how many are in 2018 projected?


Below is a delivery schedule:

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Only made 7 instead of 15-20 last year. I wonder if they plan to deliver these missing 8 this year additional. But with the engine delivery problem I fear they wont make it. Still a long bumpy road ahead. Good opportunity to collect more, cheap shares.
But a new order ist definitely overdue.
 
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Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:45 pm

I think that there will be an order from another American Airline like American Airlines, Jetblue, United Airlines or Virgin America but I also think that other airlines that operate 717's or MD88/90's may look to the Cseries as a replacement.

I also think that a big order from a European company is on the way. I've got a feeling that Lufthansa are tempted to buy the Cseries for it's own fleet and maybe some of the other airlines in Lufthansa Group such as Austrian Airlines or Brussels Airlines. I believe that Air France-Klm are considering the Cseries for it's regional and medium haul routes as it would be a fantastic compliment to Air France's A320 fleet and Klm's 737 fleet.

Maybe the rumored IAG order is the only orders of the Cseries of 2017 and that's fine. But I also belive that if current Cseries operators Swiss and airBaltic start to make more money then the Cseries sales could take off.

My final suspicion is a really far fetched one but I think European regional airlines such as Flybe, Eastern Airways and Bmi Regional could maybe purchase some Cseries jets so that they can open longer distance services to places like Athens from Edinburgh
 
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Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:28 pm

LongHaul101 wrote:
I think that there will be an order from another American Airline like American Airlines, Jetblue, United Airlines or Virgin America but I also think that other airlines that operate 717's or MD88/90's may look to the Cseries as a replacement.

I also think that a big order from a European company is on the way. I've got a feeling that Lufthansa are tempted to buy the Cseries for it's own fleet and maybe some of the other airlines in Lufthansa Group such as Austrian Airlines or Brussels Airlines. I believe that Air France-Klm are considering the Cseries for it's regional and medium haul routes as it would be a fantastic compliment to Air France's A320 fleet and Klm's 737 fleet.

Maybe the rumored IAG order is the only orders of the Cseries of 2017 and that's fine. But I also belive that if current Cseries operators Swiss and airBaltic start to make more money then the Cseries sales could take off.

My final suspicion is a really far fetched one but I think European regional airlines such as Flybe, Eastern Airways and Bmi Regional could maybe purchase some Cseries jets so that they can open longer distance services to places like Athens from Edinburgh


Don't forget that Lufthansa has 30 options for the Cseries that they have not taken up yet. SWISS seems to be extremely happy with their CS100's, which have proven to be extremely reliable and cost efficient. However, they have not operated the CS300 yet. I would think that after they have had a few months of experience with the CS300's they have on order, that Lufthansa will take up their 30 options as CS300 jets, perhaps ordering even more than these 30
 
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Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:49 pm

My final suspicion is a really far fetched one but I think European regional airlines such as Flybe, Eastern Airways and Bmi Regional could maybe purchase some Cseries jets so that they can open longer distance services to places like Athens from Edinburgh


A question that I hope doesn't make me look like I'm still fighting the Cold War, but... Are Eastern European countries (meaning former Soviet bloc) averse to buying Russian equipment like the Superjet based upon history, let alone recent Russian behavior, and if so could that open the door to additional C-Series orders? Just curious. Personally, I'm really hoping for a United order.

Thanks for any information.

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Re: Cseries orders for 2017

Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:36 pm

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What obstructions are there in the way, of an Iranian purchase of the CS100/300?


There are no obstructions for an Iranian purchase of any Bombardier aircraft. However, the chances of an Iranian airline buying Bombardier are low due to geopolitical concerns.

Iran can use purchases of Airbus, Boeing, ATR, Russian aircraft, etc. as potential bargaining chips with the EU, Russia, US and others. E.g. "If you threaten us with sanctions or support sanctions against us, we won't buy your planes!" There is not much for the Iranian government to gain geopolitically by buying Canadian aircraft.
 
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Re: Cseries orders for 2017

Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:07 pm

So, here is an article that I can't read (subscription only), but based on the headline would seem to suggest that Nordic Aviation Capital will order some CSeries (and E2s).

https://airfinancejournal.com/articles/ ... the-future
 
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Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:19 pm

marktci wrote:
So, here is an article that I can't read (subscription only), but based on the headline would seem to suggest that Nordic Aviation Capital will order some CSeries (and E2s).

https://airfinancejournal.com/articles/ ... the-future


They have been interested in the CSeries for over 4 years. Hopefully an order will come from them soon...
 
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Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:44 pm

Fliegerfaust indicates rumors of CSeries orders coming from Asia, Mid East and USA soon. Maybe some announcements at the Paris airshow?
 
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Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:17 pm

I was wondering and sorry if already discussed cause the C100 has a great performance like on delivery flights to ZRH, if there is anything planned on base of a Business Jet?
 
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Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:12 pm

As it relates to a potential order from a US airline, I could see interest from almost every major American airline. In the past, Southwest, American, United, JetBlue and Spirit have shown interest. Also, I think the CSeries would be a good fit for inter-island flying for Hawaiian.
 
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Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:14 pm

JetBlue is undergoing a fleet review and making lots of comments about the E190s need to go. The earnings call had lots of talk about the E190 being a great sized airplane for the BOS market in particular, but having CASM problems. So I see this as saying they need a better E190-sized plane, which means CSeries.
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Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:29 pm

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JetBlue is undergoing a fleet review and making lots of comments about the E190s need to go. The earnings call had lots of talk about the E190 being a great sized airplane for the BOS market in particular, but having CASM problems. So I see this as saying they need a better E190-sized plane, which means CSeries.


Would make expansion into new markets like MEM more economic for them

Southwrst could shift some 737s to larger routes by replacing them with CS100s in places like Little Rock and Tulsa and offer new destinations from those cities. Also offer a plane to go into new smaller markets. Especially if they offered routing like DAL and STL with a no plane change stop at XNA for example.
 
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Re: Cseries orders for 2017

Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:48 pm

Any news on engine availability?
What the...?
 
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Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:47 pm

flyby519 wrote:
JetBlue is undergoing a fleet review and making lots of comments about the E190s need to go. The earnings call had lots of talk about the E190 being a great sized airplane for the BOS market in particular, but having CASM problems. So I see this as saying they need a better E190-sized plane, which means CSeries.

A BCS3 has been flying with flight detail blocked on FlightRadar. It was showing when the filter was set to BCS. A couple of days ago it made a very indirect flight from Wichita to Fort Lauderdale where it appears to have stayed overnight.
 
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Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:29 pm

yyztpa wrote:
flyby519 wrote:
JetBlue is undergoing a fleet review and making lots of comments about the E190s need to go. The earnings call had lots of talk about the E190 being a great sized airplane for the BOS market in particular, but having CASM problems. So I see this as saying they need a better E190-sized plane, which means CSeries.

A BCS3 has been flying with flight detail blocked on FlightRadar. It was showing when the filter was set to BCS. A couple of days ago it made a very indirect flight from Wichita to Fort Lauderdale where it appears to have stayed overnight.


NK's HQ is in FLL. Maybe a tire-kicking event for them?
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Re: Cseries orders for 2017

Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:59 am

I see IAG taking some after today's approval for steep approach by the authorities. Turkish Airways was rumored to be interested(before the current mess)
Everyone that flies a 717, 318, and 319 is a candidate.
My guess - IAG, United, Hawaiian, and, UIA.
 
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Re: Cseries orders for 2017

Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:05 pm

Bombardier still has many conditional deals on the books for the CSeries, some dating back to 2012, including Falko, a Chinese airline, flymojo, and others. Are these deals dead? I presume the Porter conditional deal is dead?
 
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Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:29 pm

I wouldn't rule out Porter, but I would rule out seeing Porter fly CS100s from Toronto Island. That said I still think it's a long shot, less than 10%. I think Falko is still a possibility but they need a few more airlines to sign up first, the leasing backlog is still pretty crowded with Macquarie and LCI. The others, I'm not so sure about.
 
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Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:47 pm

Porter could use the CSeries out of Ottawa and set up a secondary hub out of there. Seems like AC and Westjet do not give priority to Ottawa.
 
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Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:17 am

"Boeing Co on Thursday asked the U.S. Commerce Department to investigate alleged subsidies and unfair pricing for Canadian planemaker Bombardier’s new C Series airplane, against the backdrop of rising trade tensions between the United States and Canada.......Boeing said in its petition that Bombardier, determined to win a key order from Delta Air Lines Inc after losing a competition at United Airlines, had offered its planes to the airline at an “absurdly low” $19.6-million each, well below what it described as the aircraft’s production cost of $33.2-million.

“Propelled by massive, supply creating and illegal government subsidies, Bombardier Inc has embarked on an aggressive campaign to dump its C Series aircraft in the United States,” Boeing said in its petition."

It seems that this is hard news to ignore, especially for a company with high expectations about the US market.
 
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Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:23 am

Hello kettle I'm pot.

How much below cost was the $22 mil a pop 737-700 deal at UA?
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Well, one thing about Trump, he is doing a great job of bringing the rest of the world together.
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Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:32 am

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Well, one thing about Trump, he is doing a great job of bringing the rest of the world together.


Read carefully, this is no longer a twitter by Donald Trump, it is a petition of Boeing, which seems to have some interesting data.

The segment of commercial jets is in a time of hypercompetition, some manufacturers will be on the way.
 
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Wed May 17, 2017 2:51 pm

Apparently easyjet is considering the Cseries once again for replacement of its 319's
 
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Wed May 17, 2017 7:28 pm

The CS300 arrived yesterday to MMQT, supposedly to be inspected by Aeromexico,
 
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Wed May 17, 2017 7:34 pm

Jetsouth wrote:
Apparently easyjet is considering the Cseries once again for replacement of its 319's


Interesting, is this just to get a better deal from Airbus or are they sincere? I hope for a big C-series order, it is a good plane who deserves a fair shot a success. Bombadier should be rewarded for their dare.
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Dutchy wrote:
Jetsouth wrote:
Apparently easyjet is considering the Cseries once again for replacement of its 319's


Interesting, is this just to get a better deal from Airbus or are they sincere? I hope for a big C-series order, it is a good plane who deserves a fair shot a success. Bombadier should be rewarded for their dare.

As much as I would like to see U2 order the C-series, I doubt it will happen. :(. I think this is a negotiation ploy.

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Wed May 17, 2017 8:04 pm

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The CS300 arrived yesterday to MMQT, supposedly to be inspected by Aeromexico,


It would be a nice surprise for AMX to get some C Series aircraft.
 
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Wed May 17, 2017 8:04 pm

lightsaber wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Jetsouth wrote:
Apparently easyjet is considering the Cseries once again for replacement of its 319's


Interesting, is this just to get a better deal from Airbus or are they sincere? I hope for a big C-series order, it is a good plane who deserves a fair shot a success. Bombadier should be rewarded for their dare.

As much as I would like to see U2 order the C-series, I doubt it will happen. :(. I think this is a negotiation ploy.

Lightsaber


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Wed May 17, 2017 8:20 pm

If U2 wanted a 319 sized plane, wouldn't they have ordered it at the same time as the A320neo's ? Would have given a bit more bargaining power. I think Easyjet are done with an A319 sized plane, the A320's are going up to 186 seats and have just ordered A321neo's.
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Wed May 17, 2017 8:23 pm

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If U2 wanted a 319 sized plane, wouldn't they have ordered it at the same time as the A320neo's ?

If U2 wanted a A321 sized plane, why didn't they order it at the same time as the A320neos?
 
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Wed May 17, 2017 8:38 pm

It has been a while since the C Series has picked up any significant orders I hope they can but things are not looking that great.
 
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Wed May 17, 2017 10:35 pm

Polot wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
If U2 wanted a 319 sized plane, wouldn't they have ordered it at the same time as the A320neo's ?

If U2 wanted a A321 sized plane, why didn't they order it at the same time as the A320neos?


Very true, but the fact they have ordered A321's while increasing A320 capacity closer to the 738 of Ryanair example gives them a similar cost per seat, allowing them to compete better. Airfares are on a general downward drive.
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