As reported elsewhere, a few odds and ends for AA:

* AA will launch DCA-GRR and DCA-XNA (technically a relaunch, after ten years, for XNA), both beginning 4 April 2017
* AA will begin codesharing on Air Tahiti Nui's LAX-CDG flights (the first time the AA code has appeared in this nonstop city pair since AA exited fifteen years ago)
* AA will begin codesharing on LATAM's IAD-LIM flights
* LATAM will begin codesharing on AA's DFW-UIO flights

commavia wrote:

As reported elsewhere, a few odds and ends for AA:

* AA will launch DCA-GRR

Seems like an odd route. Anyone have the PDEW figures for this one?

NW flew DCA-GRR from about 2005-2007 with the ARJ. I believe YX may have flown it as some point in the early 2000s. F9 was going to do DCA-GRR in 2011/2012 but not sure they ever started the route.

AA is flying and heavily marketing their DCA-LAN flight.

Woohoo! Love to hear it, living in GRR. This route has been available before, as mentioned above, NW flew it at one point, and IIRC DL flew it as well, ending in 2012 (I can't remember when it started). Midwest Express did it as well, I think from 2000-2002? I might not not have the dates exactly right for that one.

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:

AA is flying and heavily marketing their DCA-LAN flight.

This was my first question when I read about AA launching GRR-DCA. This is going to cannibalize the bejesus out of DCA-LAN, which has never been a particularly solid route to begin with (although maybe I'm still stuck on Independence's ill-fated LAN-IAD, then NW moving in and crushing the little blue bug on their windshield).

11725Flyer wrote:

commavia wrote:

As reported elsewhere, a few odds and ends for AA:

* AA will launch DCA-GRR

Seems like an odd route. Anyone have the PDEW figures for this one?

GRR to the entire DC area is 230 pax per day. WN and UA fly to BWI and IAD, respectively, already. I don't know how many carriers will survive on this one route. It sure is an interesting choice.

11725Flyer wrote:

commavia wrote:

As reported elsewhere, a few odds and ends for AA:

* AA will launch DCA-GRR

Seems like an odd route. Anyone have the PDEW figures for this one?

This one might be in honor of the DeVos family coming to Washington.

I saw that XNA-DCA was announced earlier from a local news source. Meh.

The Codeshare with TN is pretty pointless. AFAIK AA still can't issue TN boarding passes so you have to go to the Air Tahiti Nui ticket counter (or maybe you can get it at the gate). TN's fares on CDG-LAX are also not particularly competitive as they earn some of their best yields on CDG-PPT pax and don't want to displace any of them by flying a CDG-LAX local passenger.

StrandedAtMKG wrote:

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:

AA is flying and heavily marketing their DCA-LAN flight.

This was my first question when I read about AA launching GRR-DCA. This is going to cannibalize the bejesus out of DCA-LAN, which has never been a particularly solid route to begin with (although maybe I'm still stuck on Independence's ill-fated LAN-IAD, then NW moving in and crushing the little blue bug on their windshield).

Do you realize that GRR is actually a pretty decent sized city and is quite far from Lansing? If you are going to drive to Lansing, you might as well go all the way to DTW - the distance is not that different. If GRR wasn't stuck about halfway between Chicago and Detroit, it would probably be able to support a heck of a lot more service.

So AA goes for non-stop DCA service from both GRR and LAN and we still can't get a non-stop DCA from MKE on AA

superjeff wrote:

StrandedAtMKG wrote:

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:

AA is flying and heavily marketing their DCA-LAN flight.

This was my first question when I read about AA launching GRR-DCA. This is going to cannibalize the bejesus out of DCA-LAN, which has never been a particularly solid route to begin with (although maybe I'm still stuck on Independence's ill-fated LAN-IAD, then NW moving in and crushing the little blue bug on their windshield).

Do you realize that GRR is actually a pretty decent sized city and is quite far from Lansing? If you are going to drive to Lansing, you might as well go all the way to DTW - the distance is not that different. If GRR wasn't stuck about halfway between Chicago and Detroit, it would probably be able to support a heck of a lot more service.

Given that I live 45 minutes from GRR and ~1:30 from LAN, yes. Yes I do.

So what you're saying is people from GRR are close enough to drive to Chicago and Detroit, but people in Lansing are not close enough to GRR to drive there for lower fares?

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:

F9 was going to do DCA-GRR in 2011/2012 but not sure they ever started the route.

I flew F9 GRR-DCA as a tag-on from DEN in May 2012. Not sure how long it flew but it did at one point.

StrandedAtMKG wrote:

superjeff wrote:

StrandedAtMKG wrote:

This was my first question when I read about AA launching GRR-DCA. This is going to cannibalize the bejesus out of DCA-LAN, which has never been a particularly solid route to begin with (although maybe I'm still stuck on Independence's ill-fated LAN-IAD, then NW moving in and crushing the little blue bug on their windshield).

Do you realize that GRR is actually a pretty decent sized city and is quite far from Lansing? If you are going to drive to Lansing, you might as well go all the way to DTW - the distance is not that different. If GRR wasn't stuck about halfway between Chicago and Detroit, it would probably be able to support a heck of a lot more service.

Given that I live 45 minutes from GRR and ~1:30 from LAN, yes. Yes I do.

So what you're saying is people from GRR are close enough to drive to Chicago and Detroit, but people in Lansing are not close enough to GRR to drive there for lower fares?

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No. what I'm saying is that people in GRR will choose to fly from Grand Rapids rather than drive to Lansing given the choice. But for a really great fare, people may well drive to Detroit or even Chicago.

commavia wrote:

* AA will begin codesharing on Air Tahiti Nui's LAX-CDG flights (the first time the AA code has appeared in this nonstop city pair since AA exited fifteen years ago)

Is this move TN lining up to join oneoworld? There was talk about them joining about two years ago, but nothing seemed to have happened. Perhaps this is the start of the process?

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... r-minister

I wonder what the value of the TN codeshare is. I believe they have a mileage partnership on the LAX-PPT route which makes some sense. I was doing some research and found that DL flew a 757 from JFK-Piza, Italy at 4,131...I wonder if it would have the legs to make LAX-PPT. Just a wild hair thought.