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Re: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 18

Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:06 am

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Couldn't catch the ten eleven at PHX and go TUS through could ya?


I think you could. I was flying STLTUS at the time. Frankly don't remember.

I remember seeing TW's L1011s landing here, as well as NW's 747s from MSP back in the 90s!

Must have been interesting for fliers and airline fans like us, a short hop over the desert in a jumbo jet!!
 
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Re: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 18

Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:32 am

If anyone cares about IWA, I've seen both the MRJ test aircraft and one of the 737MAX test aircraft parked there in the last week.
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:15 am

777PHX wrote:
If anyone cares about IWA, I've seen both the MRJ test aircraft and one of the 737MAX test aircraft parked there in the last week.


The 738MAX has already returned to KBFI back on Saturday. I believe the MRJ has also left at this point, but not certain on that one.
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:02 am

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777PHX wrote:
If anyone cares about IWA, I've seen both the MRJ test aircraft and one of the 737MAX test aircraft parked there in the last week.


The 738MAX has already returned to KBFI back on Saturday. I believe the MRJ has also left at this point, but not certain on that one.



The Max presumably did. The MRJ didn't because I can see it parked from where I'm currently sitting.
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:56 am

Airlines used to do wrap flights with 2 or more cities attached to the hub. Here is a link showing not only America West, but AA, TWA, USAir, Delta and Northwest flying from TUS to PHX. I also seem to remember TWA flying a L1011 routing STL-PHX-LAS.

http://www.departedflights.com/TUS91p1.html
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:54 am

paulsaz wrote:
Airlines used to do wrap flights with 2 or more cities attached to the hub. Here is a link showing not only America West, but AA, TWA, USAir, Delta and Northwest flying from TUS to PHX. I also seem to remember TWA flying a L1011 routing STL-PHX-LAS.

http://www.departedflights.com/TUS91p1.html


I believe the last PHX-TUS-PHX tag was operated by United until near the later half of 2006. It was a through flight from IAD and would RON in TUS.
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Re: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 18

Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:50 pm

777PHX wrote:
If anyone cares about IWA, I've seen both the MRJ test aircraft and one of the 737MAX test aircraft parked there in the last week.

I care! Nice lil airport..I go by sometimes...
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:33 pm

Speaking of the PHX-TUS tags, for a while in the early 00s UA used to tag their IAD-PHX on to TUS to RON then TUS-PHX-IAD on the return... I remember the PHX-TUS legs being pretty darn cheap.
 
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Re: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 18

Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:46 pm

Saw an interesting concept of the future west terminal complex. Previously they were proposing a pier design similar to T4 and T3N, but this showed two linear concourses on the north and south side between Twys B and C. They would extend between roughly the current east edge of T2 to the middle of the West Cargo complex, or right on the eastern edge of the new crossfield taxiways. The west cell lot would be the general location of the new terminal/parking area, with a realigned Sky Harbor Blvd and the Sky Train running through the middle. This would allow for a 50-gate terminal when fully built out.

Obviously this isn't happening anytime soon, but it is interesting to see the long-term vision for that side of the airfield. I suppose at some point they're going to have to find a way to expand the south cargo facility.
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Re: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 18

Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:12 pm

paulsaz wrote:
Airlines used to do wrap flights with 2 or more cities attached to the hub. Here is a link showing not only America West, but AA, TWA, USAir, Delta and Northwest flying from TUS to PHX. I also seem to remember TWA flying a L1011 routing STL-PHX-LAS.

http://www.departedflights.com/TUS91p1.html

I flew TWA L1011 from LAS to PHX, PHX to JFK and JFK to PHX, which continued on to LAS. As I left the aircraft I saw Jerry Lewis sitting in First Class.
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:34 am

I flew an TWA L1011 PHX - JFK - SJU Around 1995, It was the same L10 so no plane change in JFK.
 
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:21 pm

Passenger Misconduct?

http://www.pinalcentral.com/arizona_new ... 2f382.html

"Authorities say a Tucson man was arrested and removed from a Southwest Airlines flight about to depart Phoenix for Denver after he repeatedly ignored requests to fasten his seat belt and shoved a flight attendant."

"Police say 58-year-old David Clyne Dutson was arrested on suspicion of misdemeanor assault Wednesday night at Sky Harbor International Airport."

...snip...

"Dutson was released from jail Thursday after making an initial court appearance, during which the case was dismissed. It was dismissed without prejudice, meaning it can be refiled."
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Re: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 18

Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:16 am

WN seasonal to LGA starting apr 14
 
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Re: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 18

Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:19 am

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WN seasonal to LGA starting apr 14

Yeah, seasonally and only on Saturdays due to the perimeter rule. I'm not really sure why they're even bothering.
 
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Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:08 pm

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WN seasonal to LGA starting apr 14

Yeah, seasonally and only on Saturdays due to the perimeter rule. I'm not really sure why they're even bothering.


I agree. It seems like a rather pointless route to me, when they can only fly it once a week. US tried doing LGA-PHX before, and that didn't stick around terribly long.

There's not exactly a shortage of PHX-NYC flights to choose from already.
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Re: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 18

Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:02 am

treebeard787 wrote:
I agree. It seems like a rather pointless route to me, when they can only fly it once a week. US tried doing LGA-PHX before, and that didn't stick around terribly long.

There's not exactly a shortage of PHX-NYC flights to choose from already.

It's not really even worth advertising with such little frequency, which means very few people will even realize the route exists. If Allegiant were operating that flight from IWA, that would be big news, but when there are multiple daily flights across multiple carriers to NYC (UAL, DAL, AAL, JBU, SWA), a seasonal once weekly flight to LGA has little significance, and will get lost in the fray. Even LGA to LAX or SFO, the flight would probably struggle to perform, especially when the markets are so JFK/EWR centric. I wouldn't expect this to last, which seems very out of character for Southwest.
 
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Re: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 18

Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:11 am

Of course They do have several flights a day that make connections so if you want to fly on the Saturday it a bonus for you. I wonder if it might be somewhat of a reposition flight for that aircraft.
 
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Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:19 am

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Of course They do have several flights a day that make connections so if you want to fly on the Saturday it a bonus for you. I wonder if it might be somewhat of a reposition flight for that aircraft.

It's possible, but SWA has been pretty sensitive to adding lengthy transcons like this in recent years, so there would need to be a good reason...probably a better reason than a repositioning flight. For one thing, their fleet is pretty stretched thin, but they've also been very focused on appealing to Wall Street. For an airline that's generally built around shorter stage lengths, increased transcon flying has been something for which they've been adverse. They must know something I don't, because adding a 4+ hour route with minimal chances for success seems like a bad move. I agree that there is some added convenience flying into LGA over JFK/EWR, but seasonally and once a week isn't often enough for most people to notice for there to be much of an impact.
 
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Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:58 pm

I agree with you ATC and I am not trying to contradict your statement. I thought WN went to the 800 not only for the increase in capacity but also the ability to do longer legs. I am no expert on WN or any other Airline operation and would love to learn the nuts and bolts of how such a large and complex operation comes together and the process that goes into such decisions.
 
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Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:13 pm

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I agree with you ATC and I am not trying to contradict your statement. I thought WN went to the 800 not only for the increase in capacity but also the ability to do longer legs. I am no expert on WN or any other Airline operation and would love to learn the nuts and bolts of how such a large and complex operation comes together and the process that goes into such decisions.

If I'm remembering correctly (which I may not be), but I think the -800s were originally intended to go to Hawaii, in addition to a capacity boost. I can't remember if that was actual communiqué from the company or if it was rumor, but I recall that being a big part of the discussion. Once they came on property however, the decision was made to delay Hawaii by a year or two, and now as we know, it's on indefinite hiatus.
 
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Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:51 pm

Yes and you probably remember how WN would fill that ATA flight out of Phoenix to HI. I don't remember was the ATA flight dailey?
 
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Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:06 pm

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Yes and you probably remember how WN would fill that ATA flight out of Phoenix to HI. I don't remember was the ATA flight dailey?


ATA was originally Mon/Sat to Maui and Sun/Fri to Honolulu. That was when you had to buy the ticket from Apple Vacations (and the flight continued to/from IND or MDW). Then when it hooked up with Southwest in 2006, the Hawaii flights left in the afternoon (or early evening) and became daily.
 
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Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:11 pm

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WN seasonal to LGA starting apr 14


This will become WNs longest flight from PHX
 
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Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:01 pm

MO11 wrote:
travaz wrote:
Yes and you probably remember how WN would fill that ATA flight out of Phoenix to HI. I don't remember was the ATA flight dailey?


ATA was originally Mon/Sat to Maui and Sun/Fri to Honolulu. That was when you had to buy the ticket from Apple Vacations (and the flight continued to/from IND or MDW). Then when it hooked up with Southwest in 2006, the Hawaii flights left in the afternoon (or early evening) and became daily.


I remember their adds in the AZ Republic, before the search engine days. They would show their route maps and schedules. Very cool.

LGA is an interesting add, but will take it!

T3 South looks to be starting to become something.

Where does WN fly the 733s that they decommission and park on the West end?
 
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Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:53 pm

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Where does WN fly the 733s that they decommission and park on the West end?


Depends on if it is a lease return, will be sold, or scrapped. So far they have gone to TUS, VCV, or SBD. One last week retired in DAL and went to ROW (a lease return). The units that are being sold to Coulson eventually go to PDX. One more is scheduled to finish today, nine more tomorrow, but none are scheduled to terminate here.
 
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Where does WN fly the 733s that they decommission and park on the West end?


Depends on if it is a lease return, will be sold, or scrapped. So far they have gone to TUS, VCV, or SBD. One last week retired in DAL and went to ROW (a lease return). The units that are being sold to Coulson eventually go to PDX. One more is scheduled to finish today, nine more tomorrow, but none are scheduled to terminate here.


Thank you for that info!
 
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Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:14 am

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This will become WNs longest flight from PHX


Don't they fly to EWR daily?
 
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This will become WNs longest flight from PHX


Don't they fly to EWR daily?


Yes but LGA is farther by 14 nm
 
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Re: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 18

Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:48 pm

DL is planning to bring the 764ER here...

Delta Airlines in the 2nd quarter of 2018 plans to operate Boeing 767-400ER aircraft on Atlanta – Phoenix route, scheduled once a day. Based on current listing, the 767-400ER will operate from 03APR18 to 07JUN18.

DL1772 ATL1100 – 1214PHX 764 D
DL1772 PHX1330 – 2014ATL 764 D

source: airlineroute.net
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Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:44 pm

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DL is planning to bring the 764ER here...

Delta Airlines in the 2nd quarter of 2018 plans to operate Boeing 767-400ER aircraft on Atlanta – Phoenix route, scheduled once a day. Based on current listing, the 767-400ER will operate from 03APR18 to 07JUN18.

DL1772 ATL1100 – 1214PHX 764 D
DL1772 PHX1330 – 2014ATL 764 D

source: airlineroute.net


Not surprising given that the route has been using a 330 in seasons past.Going to be nice to see the 764 though.
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Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:21 pm

cathay747 wrote:
DL is planning to bring the 764ER here...

Delta Airlines in the 2nd quarter of 2018 plans to operate Boeing 767-400ER aircraft on Atlanta – Phoenix route, scheduled once a day. Based on current listing, the 767-400ER will operate from 03APR18 to 07JUN18.

DL1772 ATL1100 – 1214PHX 764 D
DL1772 PHX1330 – 2014ATL 764 D

source: airlineroute.net


Very cool to see the 764. And a great bird for upgrades.

Between DL and NW, we have gotten most of the widebodies over the years, is this the first scheduled 764 by DL?
 
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Re: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 18

Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:03 pm

I wonder if Delta is planning to reopen a Sky Club in Terminal 3 as part of the terminal renovation. Does anyone have information on this?
 
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Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:17 pm

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I wonder if Delta is planning to reopen a Sky Club in Terminal 3 as part of the terminal renovation. Does anyone have information on this?

There will be space for an airline lounge on the north side after reconstruction, obviously with the intent of having the space filled by a Delta Sky Club. I don't know that it's been officially announced that they will indeed open one, however. The south side will contain a United Club, and I think there might be space allocated for another lounge as well — potentially for Alaska. Details like this will remain somewhat in flux until the project nears completion. I doubt we would hear anything on Delta for at least another year or two.
 
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Re: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 18

Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:56 am

So I dare to ask this question, with WW and FI expanding throughout the US. The only major US cities without their services are IAH, LAS, PHX, ATL & SAN. Do you think PHX chances are good?
 
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:08 am

BA744PHX wrote:
So I dare to ask this question, with WW and FI expanding throughout the US. The only major US cities without their services are IAH, LAS, PHX, ATL & SAN. Do you think PHX chances are good?


I don't see there being a big chance of service. I think they have better options before PHX.
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:54 am

INFINITI329 wrote:
boeing777200lr wrote:
WN seasonal to LGA starting apr 14


This will become WNs longest flight from PHX


Would they add ISP / PHX r/t? That would be helpful for me, and maybe a few dozen other people....
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Re: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 18

Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:18 pm

I totally missed it, but when did F9 start PHX-MCO non-stop?

alasizon wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
DL is planning to bring the 764ER here...

Delta Airlines in the 2nd quarter of 2018 plans to operate Boeing 767-400ER aircraft on Atlanta – Phoenix route, scheduled once a day. Based on current listing, the 767-400ER will operate from 03APR18 to 07JUN18.

DL1772 ATL1100 – 1214PHX 764 D
DL1772 PHX1330 – 2014ATL 764 D

source: airlineroute.net


Not surprising given that the route has been using a 330 in seasons past.Going to be nice to see the 764 though.


I believe it is running as A330-300 JAN-APR, but we'll see how long that stays given how often Delta tinkers with the schedule.

airzona11 wrote:
Between DL and NW, we have gotten most of the widebodies over the years, is this the first scheduled 764 by DL?


I believe it is the first regularly scheduled 764 by DL. I believe in the past they have brought them either on subs or 1-3 day stints during bowl/event season.
 
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Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:55 pm

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I wonder if Delta is planning to reopen a Sky Club in Terminal 3 as part of the terminal renovation. Does anyone have information on this?


2019 is what I am hearing. That is from the Sky Priority folks since I ask every time I check in for a flight.
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Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:03 pm

Fun little bump in travel last week from PHX on DL. I was scheduled to go PHX->SEA (E175)->ICN (767)->HAN (VE A359). The 7:15 to Seattle out of here kept getting bumped by 5 mins, then 15, then 20, etc. Seeing this game before, I started hovering about 20 feet from the podium and then I saw a very nice-dressed lady come up and start whispering in the gate agent ears. I knew this was about to be a cancel. So I walked up and stood there and the agent made the dreaded announcement. After putting down the phone he says "ok sir, where you headed?" I replied Hanoi and the look on his face was priceless.

Long, long story short I convinced Delta that delaying me 24 hours was not kosher and convinced them to reroute me to LA on the E175 and then Korean A380 to Seoul and Korean 330 to Hanoi. Yes I missed out on my chance to ride the 350, however getting top deck on Korean is a nice compromise.

Now here is the reason the flight was cancelled..... they found a hole in it behind the wing on walk-around. They agent told me they are not sure if it happened in flight or overnight. I am not sure what happened to the plane as I forgot to look it up by the time I arrived in Asia however I was a bit miffed that Engineering took so long to determine it could not fly. This is my second cancellation due to a hole in a plane (I watched a baggage cart roll into a United ERJ and puncture it at MKE) and both times I am glad the walk-around worked.

Just an odd thing I thought I would share.
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Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:11 pm

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Medical diversion. It's not the first A380 diversion to PHX and it won't be the last.


Is it true they had to use a lift of some sort to remove the passenger? That is what I heard through the grapevine. If true I guess the FAA nor PHX (not sure who makes these decisions) believe this will happen enough to justify airstairs that will fit the WhaleJet.
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Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:11 pm

skyharborshome wrote:
Fun little bump in travel last week from PHX on DL. I was scheduled to go PHX->SEA (E175)->ICN (767)->HAN (VE A359). The 7:15 to Seattle out of here kept getting bumped by 5 mins, then 15, then 20, etc. Seeing this game before, I started hovering about 20 feet from the podium and then I saw a very nice-dressed lady come up and start whispering in the gate agent ears. I knew this was about to be a cancel. So I walked up and stood there and the agent made the dreaded announcement. After putting down the phone he says "ok sir, where you headed?" I replied Hanoi and the look on his face was priceless.

Long, long story short I convinced Delta that delaying me 24 hours was not kosher and convinced them to reroute me to LA on the E175 and then Korean A380 to Seoul and Korean 330 to Hanoi. Yes I missed out on my chance to ride the 350, however getting top deck on Korean is a nice compromise.

Now here is the reason the flight was cancelled..... they found a hole in it behind the wing on walk-around. They agent told me they are not sure if it happened in flight or overnight. I am not sure what happened to the plane as I forgot to look it up by the time I arrived in Asia however I was a bit miffed that Engineering took so long to determine it could not fly. This is my second cancellation due to a hole in a plane (I watched a baggage cart roll into a United ERJ and puncture it at MKE) and both times I am glad the walk-around worked.

Just an odd thing I thought I would share.


Was it OO or CZ?
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Was it OO or CZ?


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Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:25 am

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Is it true they had to use a lift of some sort to remove the passenger? That is what I heard through the grapevine. If true I guess the FAA nor PHX (not sure who makes these decisions) believe this will happen enough to justify airstairs that will fit the WhaleJet.

I have no idea if that's true — it's been five years since I worked at the TRACON (I work in DC now), so I'm far from being an insider when it comes to PHX ops. Those decisions have nothing to do with the FAA. The only thing the FAA cares about is if the facility can physically handle the aircraft. Logistical details like air stairs or servicing the aircraft is left to the city to figure out. If the city wants to be an A380 capable diversion airport (which they have been since about 2011ish, or at least that's when I received a briefing on it), it's their responsibility to be prepared.

That said, I think that part of being a capable diversion airport is having equipment like air stairs. Besides, I don't think the doors of the A380 are much higher than a 744. I could be wrong, because these details aren't really in my wheelhouse, but I believe that would be part of the contingency of handling such an aircraft.
 
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:43 am

skyharborshome wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
Medical diversion. It's not the first A380 diversion to PHX and it won't be the last.


Is it true they had to use a lift of some sort to remove the passenger? That is what I heard through the grapevine. If true I guess the FAA nor PHX (not sure who makes these decisions) believe this will happen enough to justify airstairs that will fit the WhaleJet.


The City of Phoenix has an ambulift that is purpose built for these kinds of situations. They also have airstairs that will reach an A380. Both were used during the diversion. The only reason they didn't gate the aircraft was because B25 is currently torn up for pavement replacement.
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:58 am

atcsundevil wrote:
skyharborshome wrote:
Is it true they had to use a lift of some sort to remove the passenger? That is what I heard through the grapevine. If true I guess the FAA nor PHX (not sure who makes these decisions) believe this will happen enough to justify airstairs that will fit the WhaleJet.

I have no idea if that's true — it's been five years since I worked at the TRACON (I work in DC now), so I'm far from being an insider when it comes to PHX ops. Those decisions have nothing to do with the FAA. The only thing the FAA cares about is if the facility can physically handle the aircraft. Logistical details like air stairs or servicing the aircraft is left to the city to figure out. If the city wants to be an A380 capable diversion airport (which they have been since about 2011ish, or at least that's when I received a briefing on it), it's their responsibility to be prepared.

That said, I think that part of being a capable diversion airport is having equipment like air stairs. Besides, I don't think the doors of the A380 are much higher than a 744. I could be wrong, because these details aren't really in my wheelhouse, but I believe that would be part of the contingency of handling such an aircraft.


IINM the 77L/W have door sill heights that are roughly comparable to the A380.

Either way though, you're right; an airport doesn't become an A380 diversion city without having the proper ground-handling equipment and contingency plans in place.
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Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:15 am

Just wondering if MZJ is open for tours. I read something saying that it was but from a couple years ago.
 
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Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:19 am

I have never heard of it being open for tours. If it does i will go for sure
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread 2017

Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:12 am

tomaheath wrote:
Just wondering if MZJ is open for tours. I read something saying that it was but from a couple years ago.

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I have never heard of it being open for tours. If it does i will go for sure

Indeed they are. When Evergreen operated the storage facility, they were out of compliance for many years by restricting access to a public facility. Previously the only way to access it was by landing there, but no services were offered. I did a couple dozen landings and TGLs there around 2008-2010, but really all you could do was taxi back for departure and look at airplanes. If you stopped for longer than a couple of minutes, they'd send someone out to run you off. Their policy was a remnant of the airport's CIA/Air America history, with Evergreen itself being a longtime well-documented CIA contractor/front company.

When Evergreen went under around 2014, a new company bought their assets at MZJ to continue the operation. The company and the state came to an agreement to bring the airport back into compliance by allowing public access as required by law — with caveats. While the guard shack now stands empty, access to the airfield or facilities still isn't permitted without a tours being prearranged. Since there aren't really any public access facilities like an FBO, there's really no other reason to be there other than to see airplanes. Because said airplanes are worth quite a lot of money, many of which are stored by air carriers paying good money for their safe keeping, all visitors require escort.

I don't know if the details in this article are still accurate on how to arrange a tour (it's from 2015 when they first started opening things up), but it could point you in the right direction. As far as I know, they're still being offered, but it may be dependent on their schedule, not yours. Hope that helps.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/travel/a ... /70499204/
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread 2017

Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:46 am

atcsundevil wrote:
While the guard shack now stands empty, access to the airfield or facilities still isn't permitted without a tours being prearranged.


Do remember there is an active military base there as well. They're a little less accommodating to people roaming around. The MPs are still much nicer than the Evergreen people who looked like all they did was eat steroids, lift weights and look for an excuse to blow 500 rounds through their SAW weapons.

Oh and watch out for snakes.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread 2017

Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:16 am

chrisair wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
While the guard shack now stands empty, access to the airfield or facilities still isn't permitted without a tours being prearranged.


Do remember there is an active military base there as well. They're a little less accommodating to people roaming around. The MPs are still much nicer than the Evergreen people who looked like all they did was eat steroids, lift weights and look for an excuse to blow 500 rounds through their SAW weapons.

Oh and watch out for snakes.

Right, but Silverbell is just an adjacent facility, so that shouldn't play a factor unless you really overshoot MZJ. It's way past where you'd drive in for the airport from what I recall, and they've got their own perimeter fence separate from the airfield as well as a large guard shack that's pretty clearly labeled.

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