Airbus schedules A350-1000 first flight for 24 November

RacheyFlies · Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:53 am

Hello, The first A350-1000 will made its first flight tomorrow (November 24) and the launch customer for this type is clearly for Qatar Airways. Via:
http://www.financialexpress.com/industr ... er/453788/

It was saying that this plane is going to be a 777 killer means a plane that is going to be bigger than the 777. Could anyone tell me if this plane could be bigger than the 777 or not? Thank you

SomebodyInTLS · Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:03 pm

It's not bigger - it is similar sized and can carry a similar number of passengers more efficiently - that's what they're talking about.

ahmetdouas · Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:05 pm

More efficient until the 777X comes perhaps?

keesje · Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:13 pm

I don't know which one will be more efficient.

It seems the A350-1000 will be about 30t lighter and more comfortable in economy (wider seats/quitter cabin).

KFLLCFII · Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:23 pm

Wow, I can't believe they'd do it on Thanksgiving.

Just kidding!

ScottB · Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:32 pm

KFLLCFII wrote:
Wow, I can't believe they'd do it on Thanksgiving.

Obviously it's just another Thursday in Toulouse, but I'm still a bit surprised given that it's being scheduled for a time when the media in the U.S. is virtually guaranteed to ignore it. Ordinarily you'd expect the business cable networks and CNN to cover the first flight -- and that's important given that the U.S. still has the largest financial market.

keesje wrote:
I don't know which one will be more efficient.

It seems the A350-1000 will be about 30t lighter and more comfortable in economy (wider seats/quitter cabin).

The 777-9X is quite a bit larger than the A350-1000, so one would expect it to be heavier.

KarelXWB · Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:36 pm

ScottB wrote:
KFLLCFII wrote:
Wow, I can't believe they'd do it on Thanksgiving.

Obviously it's just another Thursday in Toulouse, but I'm still a bit surprised given that it's being scheduled for a time when the media in the U.S. is virtually guaranteed to ignore it. Ordinarily you'd expect the business cable networks and CNN to cover the first flight -- and that's important given that the U.S. still has the largest financial market.

Journalists from all over the world, including the U.S., arrived in Toulouse today. There will be enough coverage.

RacheyFlies · Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:00 pm

keesje wrote:
I don't know which one will be more efficient.

It seems the A350-1000 will be about 30t lighter and more comfortable in economy (wider seats/quitter cabin).

Yes, because the 777 is 10 abreast and the A350 is 9 abreast, but I bet I'll prefer to fly the A350 because they are more quieter, comfortable than the 777. 30t lighter but comfortable is right.

WIederling · Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:54 pm

ScottB wrote:
The 777-9X is quite a bit larger than the A350-1000, so one would expect it to be heavier.

OK.
But 22% OEW mark up for ~5% more seats ? or about a metric ton per additional pax.

WIederling · Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:57 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Journalists from all over the world, including the U.S., arrived in Toulouse today. There will be enough coverage.

Lets see if German coverage is worth anything this time around. It wasn't the last time.

ScottB · Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:30 pm

WIederling wrote:
But 22% OEW mark up for ~5% more seats ? or about a metric ton per additional pax.

The cabin area of the 777-9X looks to be about 10% larger than the A350-1000 and the fact that most airlines will configure the 777-9X with 10-abreast seating in economy likely means that the differential in seat count will be closer to 15% given comparable premium seating products, seat pitch, percentages of seats in different classes, etc. The A350-1000 absolutely has a unit operating cost advantage over the 777-8X which is approximately the same size.

einkleinerknabe · Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:36 pm

keesje wrote:
I don't know which one will be more efficient.

It seems the A350-1000 will be about 30t lighter and more comfortable in economy (wider seats/quitter cabin).

Quieter yes, but seat width on both the 777X and XWB will be 18 inches.

As for efficiency, have we talked lately about whether cargo is profitable?

Erebus · Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:48 pm

The thread title would suggest that this was going to be a discussion about the A350-1000's upcoming first flight. Somehow the 777X has been dragged into the discussion and is now moving away from the topic at hand.

BobMUC · Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:53 pm

Airbus has release some nice videos "in preparation" for the FF:

First A350-1000: Engine installation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPAAp-OwFqo

First A350-1000: Engine test
http://www.airbus.com/video/video/3223463

su184 · Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:58 pm

Any news about the first flight time STD?

BobMUC · Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:11 pm

su184 wrote:
Any news about the first flight time STD?

Airbus is communicating 10:30 local time (weather permitting), therefore 09:30 UTC/GMT.

su184 · Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:29 pm

[quote="BobMUC"][quote="su184"]Any news about the first flight time STD?[/quote]

Airbus is communicating 10:30 local time (weather permitting), therefore 09:30 UTC/GMT.[/quote]

Thanks a lot

enzo011 · Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:26 pm

einkleinerknabe wrote:
Quieter yes, but seat width on both the 777X and XWB will be 18 inches.

As for efficiency, have we talked lately about whether cargo is profitable?

If you believe that I have this bridge in Brooklyn to sell to you, very competitive price for the structure and a one time only offer. :biggrin:

Newbiepilot · Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:14 pm

I am excited for the A350-1000. It looks to be an impressive plane. Hopefully once they start getting into flight testing they can do a worldwide tour to various major airlines and airports to generate some more sales.

I agree with Erebus that an A vs B 777x comparison is out of place in a thread about the first flight of a new model.

Dutchy · Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:52 pm

Love to see this bird taken to the friendly skies.

einkleinerknabe · Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:39 pm

enzo011 wrote:
einkleinerknabe wrote:
Quieter yes, but seat width on both the 777X and XWB will be 18 inches.

As for efficiency, have we talked lately about whether cargo is profitable?

If you believe that I have this bridge in Brooklyn to sell to you, very competitive price for the structure and a one time only offer.

Not sure what you mean by that... if Boeing can't deliver the promised 18 inch seats at 10 abreast, I imagine it will be very expensive for them.

downdata · Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:57 pm

Hey why dont we talk about the c919 and that new ga ppane from piper while we are at it

rbrunner · Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:01 pm

Come on, a.netters. Let us look forward to the A350-1000 FF. It will be impressive. It's only a few hours away.

keesje · Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:14 pm

High speed RTO today

Dutchy · Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:24 pm

The horizontal stabilator looks so small from this angle.

WIederling · Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:28 pm

Dutchy wrote:
The horizontal stabilator looks so small from this angle.

There is a bit of whiteout front and back of the stab.

ikramerica · Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:28 pm

Dutchy wrote:
The horizontal stabilator looks so small from this angle.

The longer the stretch the smaller the hz stab needs to be. And then you contrast it with the longer fuselage and the impact is more pronounced.

On the flip side, the hz stabs of the 747SP and 737-600 look clownish.

ODwyerPW · Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:42 am

What a beautiful plane! Can't wait to see it fly tomorrow.

RacheyFlies · Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:32 am

ODwyerPW wrote:
What a beautiful plane! Can't wait to see it fly tomorrow.

And even I can't wait it too. It's of coarse a beautiful plane and it's like a 777 but it's different.

JAAlbert · Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:59 am

Viewed from a distance, it looks almost like a narrow body-until you see that little guy standing in front of the plane at engine startup. It would be wonderful if an airline or two flew it into SAN hehe. Can't wait to see how it looks in the air!

benjjk · Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:38 am

Absolutely gorgeous aircraft. Can't wait to watch it fly.

Revelation · Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:10 am

I'm very much looking forward to its first flight, although I prefer the A350-900's proportions.

TheF15Ace · Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:13 am

Will there be a live stream of the first flight?

bobdino · Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:32 am

Forecast is clouds, no rain, 4km/h winds. Pretty decent.

douglasyxz · Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:32 am

Surprisingly, the vertical stab. is in a slightly nose-up position. It is not much but I would not have expected any nose-up attitude during RTO. Anybody in the know can explain why? Is it to generate more down-force to the main gear when the pilot stops the plane?

RickNRoll · Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:10 am

ScottB wrote:
KFLLCFII wrote:
Wow, I can't believe they'd do it on Thanksgiving.

Obviously it's just another Thursday in Toulouse, but I'm still a bit surprised given that it's being scheduled for a time when the media in the U.S. is virtually guaranteed to ignore it. Ordinarily you'd expect the business cable networks and CNN to cover the first flight -- and that's important given that the U.S. still has the largest financial market.

keesje wrote:
I don't know which one will be more efficient.

It seems the A350-1000 will be about 30t lighter and more comfortable in economy (wider seats/quitter cabin).

The 777-9X is quite a bit larger than the A350-1000, so one would expect it to be heavier.

How up to date are those weights?

zkojq · Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:12 am

I really hope there's a live stream! Very much looking forward to the A350-1000. Will be a beautiful airplane to travel on, im sure.

RacheyFlies · Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:22 am

zkojq wrote:
I really hope there's a live stream! Very much looking forward to the A350-1000. Will be a beautiful airplane to travel on, im sure.

Yes it's a beautiful plane for sure.

StTim · Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:27 am

I've seen on Twitter that there is a live stream. Can't post the link across when I'm on the phone.

Thunderboltdrgn · Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:52 am

StTim wrote:
I've seen on Twitter that there is a live stream. Can't post the link across when I'm on the phone.

Live on Periscope it seems.

Live tweets here and live streaming on @periscopetv.

https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/801666589628264449

BobMUC · Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:36 am

Alrady online on FR24: https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB01IL

enzo011 · Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:53 am

einkleinerknabe wrote:
Not sure what you mean by that... if Boeing can't deliver the promised 18 inch seats at 10 abreast, I imagine it will be very expensive for them.

I have no doubt you can fit the 777X with 18" wide seats at 10-abreast, the question is will this be used by airlines and will it be practical in everyday use. Look at it this way, the A350 already uses all the tricks to get to 18" wide seats at 9-abreast (thinner armrests), yet we are to believe the 777X will fit in another seat at the same width with only 13" extra space. You can fit in the seats but then the already narrow aisles will be even narrower or the narrow armrests will just about disappear.

In any case, looking forward to the first flight later!

SVJ77W · Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:57 am

Any links to live streaming? I am suprised airbus doesnt have one on their website like they did for the A359.

Heavierthanair · Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:08 am

G'day

on the move now

Cheers

Peter

VirginFlyer · Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:08 am

ikramerica wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
The horizontal stabilator looks so small from this angle.

The longer the stretch the smaller the hz stab needs to be. And then you contrast it with the longer fuselage and the impact is more pronounced.

On the flip side, the hz stabs of the 747SP and 737-600 look clownish.

I think you may be confusing the horizontal and vertical stabilisers here - it is only the vertical stabliser (aka vertical or tail fin) on the 737-600 which has the extension, whereas the horizontal stabiliser was the same as on the other 737NGs. On the other hand, the 747SP had extensions to both the vertical and horizontal stabilisers.

douglasyxz wrote:
Surprisingly, the vertical stab. is in a slightly nose-up position. It is not much but I would not have expected any nose-up attitude during RTO. Anybody in the know can explain why? Is it to generate more down-force to the main gear when the pilot stops the plane?

You're definitely confusing the vertical stabiliser (aka vertical or tail fin) with the horizontal stabiliser - it is the horizontal stabliser which controls the aircraft in pitch (and the vertical stabliser which controls it in yaw).

V/F

trent900 · Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:19 am

SVJ77W wrote:
Any links to live streaming? I am suprised airbus doesnt have one on their website like they did for the A359.

There is apparently live stream on periscopetv, but I can't seem to find it anywhere!

D.

fjmm92 · Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:21 am

SVJ77W wrote:
Any links to live streaming? I am suprised airbus doesnt have one on their website like they did for the A359.

https://www.facebook.com/France3MidiPyrenees/

There is a live video.

VirginFlyer · Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:21 am

trent900 wrote:
SVJ77W wrote:
Any links to live streaming? I am suprised airbus doesnt have one on their website like they did for the A359.

There is apparently live stream on periscopetv, but I can't seem to find it anywhere!

D.

Same issue here. Boo.

V/F

zkojq · Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:24 am

trent900 wrote:
SVJ77W wrote:
Any links to live streaming? I am suprised airbus doesnt have one on their website like they did for the A359.

There is apparently live stream on periscopetv, but I can't seem to find it anywhere!

D.

Airbus just tweeted that they would share the link soon.

https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/801717770782199808

KarelXWB · Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:26 am

Airbus got a drone up in the air, live stream should follow quickly.

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