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Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:30 pm

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the A350's will be great for LHR and AKL


MH seem to agree with you.

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Looks like the turn around is going well. Now they can go back to their old ways of competing with SIA. Once we see the confirmation of the orders, MH will reinstate destinations such as Vienna, Stockholm, Johannesburg, Cape Town and Buenos Aires. :banghead:
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:18 pm

As for fleet additional fleet capacity in the coming years:

Malaysia Airlines is looking to add 6-7 used widebodies in 2018, same number in 2019 (prob. leased A330s), CEO says

https://twitter.com/AvWeekScho/status/8 ... 5986908160

Certainly these must be second hand aircraft.

For the longer term, MH is evaluating the 787 and A330neo.

"We are currently negotiating with Boeing over the 787 and with Airbus over the A330neo." Just on the price both manufacturers will have to move.

http://www.aero.de/news-26185/Malaysia- ... 30neo.html

Price will be a key decision maker.
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Wonder what they would consider as unknown about the A330neo? Same engines as the 787 basically and no new technologies.
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:26 pm

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Wonder what they would consider as unknown about the A330neo? Same engines as the 787 basically and no new technologies.


The A330neo isn't flying yet, airlines don't know if it will meet the promised fuel burn reduction.
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Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:28 pm

My guess is that they will order a mix of the 359 and 789, and maybe a few 77W's to cover the gap of the A380. Otherwise a 359/35K mix. Good to see them expanding. The Malaysia market isn't fully covered yet. Also hope for a new J product and a W seat as well.
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Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:17 pm

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The A330neo isn't flying yet, airlines don't know if it will meet the promised fuel burn reduction.



I understand that, but fear of the unknown? Surely they will sign a contract with performance guarantees that if not met will mean penalties, what unknown can they be fearful of? I just find the wording strange on what is essentially just an enhanced engine. The engine will be used on the 787 as well so they will have the fear of the unknown as well I guess. :boggled: :)
 
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The A330neo isn't flying yet, airlines don't know if it will meet the promised fuel burn reduction.



I understand that, but fear of the unknown? Surely they will sign a contract with performance guarantees that if not met will mean penalties, what unknown can they be fearful of? I just find the wording strange on what is essentially just an enhanced engine. The engine will be used on the 787 as well so they will have the fear of the unknown as well I guess. :boggled: :)


I don't know how strong these sorts of performance shortfall penalties can be, but my guess is the fear is that they may not be enough to offset the potential increased operating cost of the life of the aircraft. there's also the opportunity cost of missing out on the chance to procure what is now a known, quantity, the 787. If the A330 NEO doesn't meet spec, not only will it be more costly than originally planned, but it may be too late to switch to 787s if that is the better option. Like I said, I'm don't know much about these contracts, but I could see that asking for a particulalry aggressive penalty clause would drive up the asking price of the plane, which can tilt the numbers back in favor of the 787, which at this point, is a known quantity.
 
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I don't know how strong these sorts of performance shortfall penalties can be, but my guess is the fear is that they may not be enough to offset the potential increased operating cost of the life of the aircraft. there's also the opportunity cost of missing out on the chance to procure what is now a known, quantity, the 787. If the A330 NEO doesn't meet spec, not only will it be more costly than originally planned, but it may be too late to switch to 787s if that is the better option. Like I said, I'm don't know much about these contracts, but I could see that asking for a particulalry aggressive penalty clause would drive up the asking price of the plane, which can tilt the numbers back in favor of the 787, which at this point, is a known quantity.



Sure, that could be. But the Trent 7000 is a derivative of the Trent 1000-TEN on the 787, so any shortfall on the A330neo will be on the 787 as well as it is developed from the Trent 1000-TEN. This is not a new engine, it is not a new airframe that uses new material and new technologies, hence why there would be unknowns is strange. Maybe they are looking for better pricing though, put some pressure on Airbus to publicly state that the deal is not done. :confused:
 
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Maybe, like Air Asia, they dont know if the NEO will have the range for western Europe
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:29 pm

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Maybe, like Air Asia, they dont know if the NEO will have the range for western Europe


I think that is a big factor. What is Malaysia looking at doing with these planes? Australia, Middle East and Asia work well with the A330-900. The A339 will easily replace A333s. If Malaysia is looking at Europe beyond the leased A350s on order, the A330-900 probably is not the best choice. The A350 will work well for Europe. The 787-9 can also fly to Europe with more payload.
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:32 pm

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raylee67 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Based on the slide below (released during the CAPA Summit this week), MH may acquire second-hand airplanes.

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https://twitter.com/torbjorngk/status/8 ... 4309932032

Didn't they just get rid of their 777 not too long ago? They don't need so many types of aircraft. Just 737 for short-to-medium haul low-to-med capacity and A330 for medium-to-long haul med-to-high capacity is enough to cover their entire network. The A330-300 is only needed for probably HKG, PEK, PVG, NRT/HND, ICN, KIX, SYD, MEL and BNE. If they want to keep LHR in their network, just lease may be four or five A330-200 to keep fleet commonality. The A330-200 can be utilized during their down time on the high density Asia routes as well. All other routes can be 737. The 737MAX on order would allow MH to fly to PER, ADE and smaller destinations in Japan with 737. I can't imagine MH needing a lot more A330-300 than the 15 it currently has. May be 4 or 5 more at most? Just lease a few more if they really need more. Their network doesn't require A350. If they really need to upgrade the A330 fleet 10 years from now, they can get the A330NEO cheaply by then.


MH axed BNE and does not serve it anymore.

The A330's will be perfect for Australia, East Asia and India, the A350's will be great for LHR and AKL and possibly adding back CDG, AMS. I think that it would be reasonable to have a dual A330/A350 wide body fleet, there are commonality between the two types, the A350's will allow for MH to further expand its network in Europe and maybe venture back into Africa and Nth America (long long term).

IMHO, MH should start transitioning to the A320NEO family, this aircraft family will give MH greater flexibility, the A321NEO's will be perfect for longer routes, PER, ADL, PUS, Mainland China, smaller Japanese routes and smaller routes out of BKI as well as trunk ASEAN routes to SGN, BKK, MNL, CGK and India DEL, BOM. The A320's will compliment on domestic and ASEAN routes. Both VN and PR are examples of similar carriers in the region who use the A320 family and are finding great success with it, VN doesn't even operate A320's - only A321's exclusively!



Well the have 737MAXs on order, so unlikely.
 
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Maybe the 777X? But that's just a guess.
 
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Maybe the 777X? But that's just a guess.


I doubt it, considering a main factor in their decline (even before the two crashes) was overcapacity from primarily the 380. A 777X would bring too much capacity into the MH network.
 
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Maybe the 777X? But that's just a guess.


I doubt it, considering a main factor in their decline (even before the two crashes) was overcapacity from primarily the 380. A 777X would bring too much capacity into the MH network.

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My guess is that they will order a mix of the 359 and 789, and maybe a few 77W's to cover the gap of the A380. Otherwise a 359/35K mix. Good to see them expanding. The Malaysia market isn't fully covered yet. Also hope for a new J product and a W seat as well.


What so many types? The A359 will replace the A380 atleast for now. They seem like a good bet to go A339 imo to replace the current A333's which aren't very old at all to fly regional and Australia. And yes I agree if they need anything larger than the A359 is needed then a few A35J's.
 
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tjh8402 wrote:
I don't know how strong these sorts of performance shortfall penalties can be, but my guess is the fear is that they may not be enough to offset the potential increased operating cost of the life of the aircraft. there's also the opportunity cost of missing out on the chance to procure what is now a known, quantity, the 787. If the A330 NEO doesn't meet spec, not only will it be more costly than originally planned, but it may be too late to switch to 787s if that is the better option. Like I said, I'm don't know much about these contracts, but I could see that asking for a particulalry aggressive penalty clause would drive up the asking price of the plane, which can tilt the numbers back in favor of the 787, which at this point, is a known quantity.



Sure, that could be. But the Trent 7000 is a derivative of the Trent 1000-TEN on the 787, so any shortfall on the A330neo will be on the 787 as well as it is developed from the Trent 1000-TEN. This is not a new engine, it is not a new airframe that uses new material and new technologies, hence why there would be unknowns is strange. Maybe they are looking for better pricing though, put some pressure on Airbus to publicly state that the deal is not done. :confused:


It's tough to figure out the answer. the fact that there is uncertainty about the range of the airplane would seem to indicate there is some uncertainty about it's fuel burn. It might also be that fear of the unknown is less a performance and more of a timeliness and smooth EIS into service concern. It is likely that the plane would be delayed or run into new plane development problems once it's in service? Probably not since it's not a new plane, just a combination of existing tech. That being said, you don't know for sure that everything will happen on schedule and with no hiccups until you've got that certification in hand and the fleet has seen a smooth EIS, and MH, after everything they've been through, may be feeling risk averse, even if the risk is minimal. With the 787, they know exactly what they are getting. Assuming Boeing has the slots available, MH knows they'll get the planes when they schedule deliveries. there won't be certification or regulatory delays. they know there won't be any teething problems. they know the specs the plane will meet. they might also see the 787 as a safer buy in terms of resale. After the problems they've had finding homes for the 777s and A380s, they might be hesitant to add a plane that has a limited operator base, with only 9 airlines having ordered the -900, which could provide challenges should they find themselves needing to offload the planes. the 787, with its 64 different operators (and supposedly easily swappable engines), has a far broader pool of potential buyers to market used planes to.
 
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I'm hoping MH will return to North America. I'm pretty sure they won't return to LAX. I'm hoping they will consider YVR and/or SEA.
 
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I'm hoping MH will return to North America. I'm pretty sure they won't return to LAX. I'm hoping they will consider YVR and/or SEA.

Not in the near future I am afraid. MH was already failing terribly in LAX prior to their pull out. Their venture into EWR was before the arrival of EK on that route. Routing it via ARN post-EK was just the nail on the coffin.

There isn't a point along the west coast which isn't well served by their trans-Pacific OW partners. Not to mention airlines from Japan / Korea / China / Taiwan, MH cannot fight with their multiple frequencies across the Pacific. Brand awareness plays a HUGE part and that's where MH is sorely lacking, unfortunately. Other than MH370/MH17, the average American almost has no idea who is MH.

Unless they can carve out a niche market like what SQ has done with IAH, I doubt we'll ever see MH back in North America in the near future especially in our current economic climate and the trend aviation is heading towards.
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Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:12 am

Hey guys,
Do we know which specific models of A330neo and 787 Malaysian is looking at?
From an Australian perspective, I think that the A330-900 or the 787-10 would be great for the Sydney and Melbourne routes, with the lower capacity -800 and -8 probably better suited to the other Australian routes.
The MAX should be useful for some secondary/off peak Aussie routes like Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane (and Darwin?) to allow daily services, perhaps in conjunction with the wide bodies...
And while on the subject, is the A350 being considered for the Sydney and / or Melbourne routes medium-term?
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Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:49 pm

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Hey guys,
Do we know which specific models of A330neo and 787 Malaysian is looking at?
From an Australian perspective, I think that the A330-900 or the 787-10 would be great for the Sydney and Melbourne routes, with the lower capacity -800 and -8 probably better suited to the other Australian routes.
The MAX should be useful for some secondary/off peak Aussie routes like Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane (and Darwin?) to allow daily services, perhaps in conjunction with the wide bodies...
And while on the subject, is the A350 being considered for the Sydney and / or Melbourne routes medium-term?
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They are already getting the A330-900 on lease. Might be better for them to stick to A330-900 to increase profitability on existing routes, and then venture out to say, B787-8 for slightly lower density configurations.

Yes the MAX would be good for Perth, and maybe some secondary routes coming from BKI and PEN, if they ever think of expanding those hubs. Would also be a good idea expanding PEN, since as a tourist destination it is doing well and can attract more people overall from the world, with a better in-flight product as well.
 
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Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:49 pm

I would agree, sticking to 3 types of aircraft would be good enough for the airline as is. Lower the maintenance costs overall. B738's, A330, A350. As for the A380 they're used for the Haji flights.

The A330-900 is a good choice logically since transitioning for training isn't as hard as transitioning to the B787s. Furthermore A330-900s can be used to replace many of their A333's in the future. The A359's are also a good choice compared to say, the B788. They should stick to the A359's for more flexible rotation of aircraft and not worry about different types of aircraft.

I would also agree that the number of B738s are too many, and many of them are starting to age. They should be scrapping some more of those and replacing with B737 MAX. A good idea also is to keep the aircraft age average no more than 10 years.

Furthermore someone stated that flights with under a 9 hour timing are most profitable. Then in that case if they want to in the future they can do a few fifth freedom sectors here and there. They can even use their A330's on routes such as ICN-TPE, NRT-TPE, KIX-TPE, etc (since the Taiwan routes between Korea and Japan are very profitable and MH do have pretty good in-flight product, from the last time I flew with them).

In the future with their A350's they can even re-open their TPE-LAX or NRT-LAX routes, for that matter (if they want to expand back to North America).

Two years ago, MH was facing crisis, now things are starting to be on the bright side for MH. Mostly due to inefficiencies here and there but they're getting better. Hope they can regain their former glory one day.
 
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There isn't a point along the west coast which isn't well served by their trans-Pacific OW partners. Not to mention airlines from Japan / Korea / China / Taiwan, MH cannot fight with their multiple frequencies across the Pacific. Brand awareness plays a HUGE part and that's where MH is sorely lacking, unfortunately. Other than MH370/MH17, the average American almost has no idea who is MH.

Unless they can carve out a niche market like what SQ has done with IAH, I doubt we'll ever see MH back in North America in the near future especially in our current economic climate and the trend aviation is heading towards.


Actually, there are no OW trans-pacific airlines out of SEA...ANA, Hainan, Delta (obviously), Korean Air, Asiana, Xiamen Air, EVA (maybe). I believe TG has shown interest in either YVR or SEA, but they said they would not go back to LAX anytime soon.
 
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Maybe the 777X? But that's just a guess.


I doubt it, considering a main factor in their decline (even before the two crashes) was overcapacity from primarily the 380. A 777X would bring too much capacity into the MH network.

I see


I travelled on those A380s last month. The things were absolutely chock-a-block. I have also repeatedly read, since the idea of retiring A380s was mooted, that MH has been pleased with the LHR route load factors - so I'm pretty sceptical that overcapacity on that route was "a main factor in their decline".

They seem to be making it work now, so that must point to some other issue (pricing, marketing) being behind any previous losses on that route.
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I doubt it, considering a main factor in their decline (even before the two crashes) was overcapacity from primarily the 380. A 777X would bring too much capacity into the MH network.

I see


I travelled on those A380s last month. The things were absolutely chock-a-block. I have also repeatedly read, since the idea of retiring A380s was mooted, that MH has been pleased with the LHR route load factors - so I'm pretty sceptical that overcapacity on that route was "a main factor in their decline".

They seem to be making it work now, so that must point to some other issue (pricing, marketing) being behind any previous losses on that route.

Low fare is the main reason so the yield is pretty low. The return fare between KUL and LHR are as low as 500USD for the 12hrs flight and a lot of seats are available. Hence they are able to fill up all the seats.
With A350, they should be able to up the pricing and keep the yield higher. Twice daily A380 is a bit too much.
 
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I don't see any way MH will take both A359 and 787. Just not going to happen. They are on a cost drive and desperate to drive up consistent quality and diversifying the fleet with both Boeing and Airbus aircraft in the 230-300 seat sector runs counter to that. They will choose the most effective option - I read that as A339 and A359 plus 737 max; possible extension to A35J end of story. As for destinations, I doubt they will be venturing into places such as Capetown and Vienna. They may however go back into continental Europe to 1 or 2 key cities and I also doubt they will be launching US services any time soon when they have both Cathay and JAL providing more than adequate service out of KL and they can't compete non-stop. We have to remember that KL has become a low cost mecca and Air Asia is doing the biz on short haul. They need to continue to refine their short haul product as an extension of their long haul product into an operation of the sort NZ have reinvented themselves with. It may not be popular with premium long haul travellers but the majority of their routes and their expansion at present is not on long haul markets.
 
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desperate to drive up consistent quality


On that note, I have to say that they have one area where quality is woeful... the online check-in. I kid you not, it literally does not work!

On the way out, I checked in using Vivaldi (a Chromium-based browser) - get to the end... nothing happens. It says it's printed boarding passes - but it did literally nothing. So I fired up Internet Explorer (guessing, correctly I think, that that's all they have used to test their system). It wouldn't let me in with the booking reference! Luckily I still had the Vivaldi window open so I could get in using each ticket number and "reprint" the boarding passes.

Then on the way back, exactly the same non-printing scenario using the hotel's iMac, and old versions of Opera and Internet Explorer on my ancient netbook. Cue half-hour argument with my wife who can't believe it's not possible and blames me for screwing it up somehow. After she also draws a blank we end up installing the MH app on our phones and downloading the boarding passes that way.

In the end, of course, the whole thing was a waste of time since the check in agent just handed us traditional passes when we dropped our bags (as I had expected). :)

They invited me to submit a survey, so I described these issues in some detail - hope they fix it. Everything else was fine (although the (second-rate) in-flight entertainment had some bugs as well).
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desperate to drive up consistent quality

On that note, I have to say that they have one area where quality is woeful... the online check-in. I kid you not, it literally does not work!


The online check-in & booking engine is a well known weakness which they are going to address with the introduction of the Amadeus PSS system pretty soon.
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TheFlyingDisk wrote:
SomebodyInTLS wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
desperate to drive up consistent quality

On that note, I have to say that they have one area where quality is woeful... the online check-in. I kid you not, it literally does not work!


The online check-in & booking engine is a well known weakness which they are going to address with the introduction of the Amadeus PSS system pretty soon.


Yeah, there were some other quirks in the booking - it was bizarrely difficult to find out any information about baggage allowance (nothing during the booking itself, I eventually found something on the general website *after* I had booked), and there was also contradictory information concerning lithium-ion batteries. From what I recall, the online check in literally said NO such batteries allowed anywhere, while the website said the usual thing about not in hold baggage, etc.

Assuming the price doesn't skyrocket, I'm looking forward to my next trip to KL with a smooth booking, check-in and the A350... ;)
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MH currently uses the A330-300 for its Asian regional routes, so any replacement for them would be expected to fly the same routes. For the next few years, they are planning to focus on the China market - these are relatively short to medium range destinations. Yes, the A330-900 should be sufficient to cover all these routes.

Capex will not be as huge as that required for the A350/B787 - something that will weigh heavily on the MAB management. When they decide to return to Europe, they could then decide if they want to get more A350-900s or reconfigure the A330-900s for long haul.


I can't see another fit than the A330NEO. They'll get the A350s to do the real long haul job, and besides, they still have to get rid of the A380s. I don't see them leave that soon. Biut I dind't know MAS was recovering so fast. I do like it, they are a great airline.
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MH says that terms should be agreed to in the next 6-8 weeks for up to 12 used A330's or 777's. Additionally an order could be placed in the first half of this year for up to 25-30 787's or A330neos

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Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:31 pm

Hoping it's for 25 748i even though there is no chance of it happening...
 
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MH says that terms should be agreed to in the next 6-8 weeks for up to 12 used A330's or 777's. Additionally an order could be placed in the first half of this year for up to 25-30 787's or A330neos

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1348179&p=19396611&hilit=malaysia#p19396611


They have a couple of 77E's stored IIRC, why dont they put these back in service?
 
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Re: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017

Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:50 am

MH had difficulty to fill 772 previously. At current service level, network connection and ticket price, mab is playing second fiddle to me3. Doubt mab could break even on 280 pax aircraft on long haul.
 
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Re: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017

Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:44 am

Any reticence about the 330neo probably relates to the unannounced MTOW increase from 242t
 
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Re: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017

Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:59 am

Quint1 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
MH says that terms should be agreed to in the next 6-8 weeks for up to 12 used A330's or 777's. Additionally an order could be placed in the first half of this year for up to 25-30 787's or A330neos

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1348179&p=19396611&hilit=malaysia#p19396611


They have a couple of 77E's stored IIRC, why dont they put these back in service?


9M-MRA- Stored at KUL as 9M-MRA
9M-MRB- Scrapped as 2-MMRB at LETL
9M-MRC- Being prepared at PVG for VIM Airlines as VP-BDX
9M-MRD- Crashed as MH17
9M-MRE- Stored at KUL as 9M-MRE
9M-MRF- Active with Vim Airlines as VP-BVA
9M-MRG- Scrapped as N703AC at Lake Charles
9M-MRH- Stored as N318MY at GYR, bought by Delta Air Lines as spare aircraft
9M-MRI- Scrapped as N105GT at TLV
9M-MRJ- Active with Vim Airlines as VP-BDW
9M-MRK- Scrapped as 9M-MRK at SFB
9M-MRL- Stored at SZB as 9M-MRL, supposedly going to Bayu Air
9M-MRM- Stored SZB as 9M-MRM, supposedly going to Bayu Air
9M-MRN- Stored at KUL as 9M-MRN
9M-MRO- Crashed as MH370
9M-MRP- Stored SZB as 9M-MRP, supposedly going to Bayu Air
9M-MRQ- Stored at KUL as 9M-MRQ, supposedly going for Bayu Air

9M-MRA, 9M-MRE and 9M-MRN would require heavy D-checks since they last flew quite a long time ago. 9M-MRL, 9M-MRM, 9M-MRP and 9M-MRQ would their safest bet, but the owner has leased them out to another fly-by-night local charter airline Bayu Air. Not much news after all their four B772ER were transferred to SZB. Prior to the transfer, those B772ER went through some maintenance check at KUL. Malaysia DCA has mentioned about a year ago, they had not received any AOC applicaiton from Bayu Air (http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2 ... azaruddin/)

On a side note, I am not sure if their ancient B772ER J and Y cabin can compete in today's competitive market. They should be better off leasing some B788/B789 or A35J rather than taking A339neo, but they must be shrewd in negotiating their deals.
 
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Re: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017

Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:34 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
Any reticence about the 330neo probably relates to the unannounced MTOW increase from 242t

Theres nothing stopping them taking the original 242t weight or even a lower "regional " MTOW. Or are you saying the higher weights are necessary to make up for possible range deficiencies???.
 
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Re: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017

Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:04 pm

trex8 wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
Any reticence about the 330neo probably relates to the unannounced MTOW increase from 242t

Theres nothing stopping them taking the original 242t weight or even a lower "regional " MTOW. Or are you saying the higher weights are necessary to make up for possible range deficiencies???.


The higher MTOW will enable longer flights / higher payloads. They may be waiting to see what Airbus eventually offers as the highest MTOW option.
 
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Re: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017

Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:40 am

JerseyFlyer wrote:
trex8 wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
Any reticence about the 330neo probably relates to the unannounced MTOW increase from 242t

Theres nothing stopping them taking the original 242t weight or even a lower "regional " MTOW. Or are you saying the higher weights are necessary to make up for possible range deficiencies???.


The higher MTOW will enable longer flights / higher payloads. They may be waiting to see what Airbus eventually offers as the highest MTOW option.

As a present A359 customer I would think having an A339neo with more range is not something they would want. If you need that much range might as well get more A359s.
 
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Re: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017

Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:00 am

If I were MH, no way I'd go for new aircraft right now. Plenty of gently used A333s and 77Ws coming off lease soon! Only a revenue premium justifies new aircraft...something which MH definitely does not have.
 
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Re: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017

Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:10 am

Who got/is getting the MAS A380's?
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Re: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017

Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:53 am

EGTESkyGod wrote:
Who got/is getting the MAS A380's?


Malaysia Airlines has got their own aircraft. They are going to create a new high-density pilgrimage charter subsidiary. This is not news any more...
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Re: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017

Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:32 pm

SomebodyInTLS wrote:
EGTESkyGod wrote:
Who got/is getting the MAS A380's?


Malaysia Airlines has got their own aircraft. They are going to create a new high-density pilgrimage charter subsidiary. This is not news any more...


I was under the impression they were offloading their A380's...?
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Re: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017

Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:13 pm

EGTESkyGod wrote:
SomebodyInTLS wrote:
EGTESkyGod wrote:
Who got/is getting the MAS A380's?


Malaysia Airlines has got their own aircraft. They are going to create a new high-density pilgrimage charter subsidiary. This is not news any more...


I was under the impression they were offloading their A380's...?


They had them on offer, but found no takers (at least at whatever they were asking / willing to take).
 
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Re: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017

Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:03 am

If by some chance (hey they brought back the 744) they decided to bring back the 772, I'd only hope they'd repaint it into the new livery. Anytime I look at their 772s, I can't help but feel sad and think about the two accidents.
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Re: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017

Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:22 pm

SXDFC wrote:
If by some chance (hey they brought back the 744) they decided to bring back the 772, I'd only hope they'd repaint it into the new livery. Anytime I look at their 772s, I can't help but feel sad and think about the two accidents.

All they did was repaint one 744 with a retro livery and never actually used it.
 
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Re: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017

Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:52 am

MH is nearing a deal to purchase as many as 30 A330neos though price is still a sticking point so a firm order wont be placed until September at the earliest

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Re: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017

Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:45 am

Interesting I thought that this one would go to the B787 and a nice win for A330NEO, much-needed order.
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Re: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of the year

Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:11 am

kriskim wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Based on the slide below (released during the CAPA Summit this week), MH may acquire second-hand airplanes.

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https://twitter.com/torbjorngk/status/8 ... 4309932032

Didn't they just get rid of their 777 not too long ago? They don't need so many types of aircraft. Just 737 for short-to-medium haul low-to-med capacity and A330 for medium-to-long haul med-to-high capacity is enough to cover their entire network. The A330-300 is only needed for probably HKG, PEK, PVG, NRT/HND, ICN, KIX, SYD, MEL and BNE. If they want to keep LHR in their network, just lease may be four or five A330-200 to keep fleet commonality. The A330-200 can be utilized during their down time on the high density Asia routes as well. All other routes can be 737. The 737MAX on order would allow MH to fly to PER, ADE and smaller destinations in Japan with 737. I can't imagine MH needing a lot more A330-300 than the 15 it currently has. May be 4 or 5 more at most? Just lease a few more if they really need more. Their network doesn't require A350. If they really need to upgrade the A330 fleet 10 years from now, they can get the A330NEO cheaply by then.


MH axed BNE and does not serve it anymore.

The A330's will be perfect for Australia, East Asia and India, the A350's will be great for LHR and AKL and possibly adding back CDG, AMS. I think that it would be reasonable to have a dual A330/A350 wide body fleet, there are commonality between the two types, the A350's will allow for MH to further expand its network in Europe and maybe venture back into Africa and Nth America (long long term).

IMHO, MH should start transitioning to the A320NEO family, this aircraft family will give MH greater flexibility, the A321NEO's will be perfect for longer routes, PER, ADL, PUS, Mainland China, smaller Japanese routes and smaller routes out of BKI as well as trunk ASEAN routes to SGN, BKK, MNL, CGK and India DEL, BOM. The A320's will compliment on domestic and ASEAN routes. Both VN and PR are examples of similar carriers in the region who use the A320 family and are finding great success with it, VN doesn't even operate A320's - only A321's exclusively!


I agree, MH should slow down. Establish an efficient regional and shorthaul hub before revisiting but long haul beyond AU/NZ/LHR. 321s with a regional midhaul business class, would be ideal. As recently announced have EK as a partner at one end, BA at another and QF in AU. KUL would make a good hub for QF/MH into South east Asia.
 
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Re: Rumor: Malaysia Airlines new order

Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:57 am

rbavfan wrote:
flee wrote:
PHBVF wrote:
Take into account that these frames make relatively few hours, but large amounts of cycles.

A part of the fleet is leased - they might want to take the opportunity to switch to more fuel efficient aircraft as soon as the leases expire.


Note the A330neo below 4000nm range looses it's fuel burn advantage over the A330 due to engine & frame weights.


Make that 1500~2000nm. If it was 4knm it would not make sense to have a neo at all, since MZFW range isn't much longer than that.

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