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Jshank83 wrote:What is the gate situation in Nashville? My fiancé lived there for 18 months recently so I flew in and out a fair amount but always was on WN and never did any exploring. She has since moved back to where I live. Do they have open gates or are they full? What is the expansion situation, if any? I tried to look on the site but it didn't say who had what gates, like some airport websites say. If I remember correctly, it seemed like some of the gates in C at the bend weren't in use but I can't really remember.
southwest1675 wrote:B11 could be calling NK's name, that seems like the niche that could easily be filled at BNA. DTW would be definite, FLL would be good for connections, MCO would be good for leisure, DFW or IAH wouldn't be too bad for connections to Mexico and parts of the Western Caribbean. NK could do some interesting things with BNA, but if I had to make an educated guess it would start with 1x daily DTW (32S), 1x daily DFW (319) and 1x daily FLL (319). Maybe add an MCO 320 to that.Jshank83 wrote:What is the gate situation in Nashville? My fiancé lived there for 18 months recently so I flew in and out a fair amount but always was on WN and never did any exploring. She has since moved back to where I live. Do they have open gates or are they full? What is the expansion situation, if any? I tried to look on the site but it didn't say who had what gates, like some airport websites say. If I remember correctly, it seemed like some of the gates in C at the bend weren't in use but I can't really remember.
Every gate is occupied except B11 now. Every gate also has a jetway. AA for some reason decided to leave C13 and C14 so WN came in and picked them up. They'll be in use by Southwest soon.
Jshank83 wrote:Are there any common use gates or is B11 it? Expansion plans? How soon could they have more gates? If B11 is all, they don't have much wiggle room. It seems like AA is one of the only airlines at BNA that I haven't seen expanding lately. Maybe they are pulling back some if they are cutting gates?
Cubsrule wrote:Jshank83 wrote:Are there any common use gates or is B11 it? Expansion plans? How soon could they have more gates? If B11 is all, they don't have much wiggle room. It seems like AA is one of the only airlines at BNA that I haven't seen expanding lately. Maybe they are pulling back some if they are cutting gates?
I suspect (though I have not seen anything official) that A2 will be back to common use once the temporary IAB Is done because UA will shift back to something closer to their historical footprint. Keep in mind, too, that many of the common use gates see 3 flights per day or fewer, so there is space.
southwest1675 wrote:Cubsrule wrote:Jshank83 wrote:Are there any common use gates or is B11 it? Expansion plans? How soon could they have more gates? If B11 is all, they don't have much wiggle room. It seems like AA is one of the only airlines at BNA that I haven't seen expanding lately. Maybe they are pulling back some if they are cutting gates?
I suspect (though I have not seen anything official) that A2 will be back to common use once the temporary IAB Is done because UA will shift back to something closer to their historical footprint. Keep in mind, too, that many of the common use gates see 3 flights per day or fewer, so there is space.
C2 is also common use but will used permanently by AA since they're leaving C13 and C14 to Southwest. They'll also be operating out of C8 too. That gate didn't have a jetway for close to 20 years.
Cubsrule wrote:southwest1675 wrote:Cubsrule wrote:
I suspect (though I have not seen anything official) that A2 will be back to common use once the temporary IAB Is done because UA will shift back to something closer to their historical footprint. Keep in mind, too, that many of the common use gates see 3 flights per day or fewer, so there is space.
C2 is also common use but will used permanently by AA since they're leaving C13 and C14 to Southwest. They'll also be operating out of C8 too. That gate didn't have a jetway for close to 20 years.
As of Tuesday, AA was still using C13. Are you certain this information is correct?
flymco753 wrote:RE: DTW, I am flying into BNA next Friday from DTW on the 7am DL flight and for an A320 so far it's 90% full, and those are all of the seats on the map that show assigned already excluding basic economy. I've been observing that this flight has been super full even oversold lately. This flight leaves too early for most connections so granted the flight might have a few connections but it's mostly O&D. Returning, I've seen that the 4 and 6pm departures from BNA are most popular for O&D. I've made a forecast and by 2020 the DTW/BNA city pair will reach over 1000 PDEW using past data and predictions due to the fullness of the current flights by the current airlines. I'm sure NK would get in on the deal, the thing is, where would they turn that plane at BNA?
Assuming NK uses an A320 (sharklets), it would arrive at BNA around say 8:55am from DTW, would it turn to DFW? IAH? MCO? FLL? BWI? ORD? than fly back to depart around 6:30/7-ish back to DTW.
flymco753 wrote:I have good news for BNA bad news for me, all flights direct from DTW-BNA tomorrow are either 100% full or oversold, so my A320 in the morning isn't happening so I'll be connecting via ATL, but I've observed for a while now that these flights have been leaving very full, so not only will PDEW continue to grow, another airline could take advantage of that, *hint NK.
AAvgeek744 wrote:flymco753 wrote:I have good news for BNA bad news for me, all flights direct from DTW-BNA tomorrow are either 100% full or oversold, so my A320 in the morning isn't happening so I'll be connecting via ATL, but I've observed for a while now that these flights have been leaving very full, so not only will PDEW continue to grow, another airline could take advantage of that, *hint NK.
Are they flying anything smaller than a CR9 on that route now? I've noticed it's getting some mainline love recently.
flymco753 wrote:Question for anyone that might know and sorry if this is irrelevant to the thread, but where can I get ACI trading cards for BNA at the airport? ATL has them at the main help desk near security, does BNA have an information stand that carries them?
southwest1675 wrote:They fly CRJ's daily between the cities, it varies from a -700 to a -900. Soon there will be 2 CRJ's, again varying from -700 to -900 on the pair. I don't think DL or WN will really respond to NK when they add DTW, NK could realistically fly a 321 and DL would at most fly a few 737's and a few 717's maybe an A321 and call it a day, while keeping frequency at 6x in the summer and 5x in the winter.AAvgeek744 wrote:flymco753 wrote:I have good news for BNA bad news for me, all flights direct from DTW-BNA tomorrow are either 100% full or oversold, so my A320 in the morning isn't happening so I'll be connecting via ATL, but I've observed for a while now that these flights have been leaving very full, so not only will PDEW continue to grow, another airline could take advantage of that, *hint NK.
Are they flying anything smaller than a CR9 on that route now? I've noticed it's getting some mainline love recently.
It's mostly mainline. You'll see a CRJ do it every once in a while.
southwest1675 wrote:Unfortunately, I've left empty handed.flymco753 wrote:Question for anyone that might know and sorry if this is irrelevant to the thread, but where can I get ACI trading cards for BNA at the airport? ATL has them at the main help desk near security, does BNA have an information stand that carries them?
Check in the Info Center in Bag Claim, I think I've seen some Flying Aces Volunteers carrying them around.
flymco753 wrote:southwest1675 wrote:Unfortunately, I've left empty handed.flymco753 wrote:Question for anyone that might know and sorry if this is irrelevant to the thread, but where can I get ACI trading cards for BNA at the airport? ATL has them at the main help desk near security, does BNA have an information stand that carries them?
Check in the Info Center in Bag Claim, I think I've seen some Flying Aces Volunteers carrying them around.
flymco753 wrote:southwest1675 wrote:They fly CRJ's daily between the cities, it varies from a -700 to a -900. Soon there will be 2 CRJ's, again varying from -700 to -900 on the pair. I don't think DL or WN will really respond to NK when they add DTW, NK could realistically fly a 321 and DL would at most fly a few 737's and a few 717's maybe an A321 and call it a day, while keeping frequency at 6x in the summer and 5x in the winter.AAvgeek744 wrote:
Are they flying anything smaller than a CR9 on that route now? I've noticed it's getting some mainline love recently.
It's mostly mainline. You'll see a CRJ do it every once in a while.
southwest1675 wrote:I appreciate the info, I'll be back in a month or 2 to visit and get the trading card.flymco753 wrote:southwest1675 wrote:Unfortunately, I've left empty handed.
Check in the Info Center in Bag Claim, I think I've seen some Flying Aces Volunteers carrying them around.
I do have one.
southwest1675 wrote:No doubt, like my statement above I really think NK could do an A321 on BNA-DTW in the summer, the thing that will have to be figured out is the timing of the flights, DTW-BNA will have to be in the morning and the return flight would have to be at some point after 4, hypothetically they could do a 9:45am departure from DTW and a 7pm departure from BNA, the plane could turn to FLL, MCO, DFW or IAH and return back.flymco753 wrote:southwest1675 wrote:They fly CRJ's daily between the cities, it varies from a -700 to a -900. Soon there will be 2 CRJ's, again varying from -700 to -900 on the pair. I don't think DL or WN will really respond to NK when they add DTW, NK could realistically fly a 321 and DL would at most fly a few 737's and a few 717's maybe an A321 and call it a day, while keeping frequency at 6x in the summer and 5x in the winter.
It's mostly mainline. You'll see a CRJ do it every once in a while.
It's really just a matter of time before NK adds BNA.
southwest1675 wrote:I don't know the timeline, I'm thinking by the end of the summer. AA is gonna move into C8, and WN is getting 13 and 14 sometime in the near future.
southwest1675 wrote:flymco753 wrote:southwest1675 wrote:They fly CRJ's daily between the cities, it varies from a -700 to a -900. Soon there will be 2 CRJ's, again varying from -700 to -900 on the pair. I don't think DL or WN will really respond to NK when they add DTW, NK could realistically fly a 321 and DL would at most fly a few 737's and a few 717's maybe an A321 and call it a day, while keeping frequency at 6x in the summer and 5x in the winter.
It's mostly mainline. You'll see a CRJ do it every once in a while.
It's really just a matter of time before NK adds BNA.
AAvgeek744 wrote:southwest1675 wrote:I don't know the timeline, I'm thinking by the end of the summer. AA is gonna move into C8, and WN is getting 13 and 14 sometime in the near future.
Are the two C gates mentioned (13 and 14) the ones that had jet bridges removed for a period of time? I though I read WN was going to wind up with 12 gates once the shuffle is done.
southwest1675 wrote:AAvgeek744 wrote:southwest1675 wrote:I don't know the timeline, I'm thinking by the end of the summer. AA is gonna move into C8, and WN is getting 13 and 14 sometime in the near future.
Are the two C gates mentioned (13 and 14) the ones that had jet bridges removed for a period of time? I though I read WN was going to wind up with 12 gates once the shuffle is done.
Yeah C Concourse was missing some jetways. Now they're all occupied.
ADrum23 wrote:I wonder which portion of the "BNA Vision" project will be implemented next?
Personally, I think they should get going on the Concourse A/Permanent IAB and the expansion/renovation of the lobby/baggage/ticketing areas. Those are the most imminent needs right now IMO.
ADrum23 wrote:I wonder which portion of the "BNA Vision" project will be implemented next?
Personally, I think they should get going on the Concourse A/Permanent IAB and the expansion/renovation of the lobby/baggage/ticketing areas. Those are the most imminent needs right now IMO.
Ramprat212 wrote:ADrum23 wrote:I wonder which portion of the "BNA Vision" project will be implemented next?
Personally, I think they should get going on the Concourse A/Permanent IAB and the expansion/renovation of the lobby/baggage/ticketing areas. Those are the most imminent needs right now IMO.
Yeah I think they will start the expansion of the lobby and ticketing area's next, however with the money they are putting up for the temporary IAB area I don't think they will start the concourse A renovation for awhile.
ADrum23 wrote:Ramprat212 wrote:ADrum23 wrote:I wonder which portion of the "BNA Vision" project will be implemented next?
Personally, I think they should get going on the Concourse A/Permanent IAB and the expansion/renovation of the lobby/baggage/ticketing areas. Those are the most imminent needs right now IMO.
Yeah I think they will start the expansion of the lobby and ticketing area's next, however with the money they are putting up for the temporary IAB area I don't think they will start the concourse A renovation for awhile.
How much money are they putting up for the temporary IAB? Is it really going to be that nice? If they want to get going on recruiting at TPAC flight (one of their stated goals), they will need to build the permanent IAB with the 5-6 gates they are planning on having before any TPAC flight comes to BNA.
I guess the Concourse D project could get going, since it is an inactive concourse and it wouldn't cause any disruption to the current operations. But the Lobby/Ticketing/Security areas needs to be the top priority IMO.
joeljack wrote:What are the 5-10 largest domestic O/D airport in the US without nonstop service to Nashville? Is OMA one of them? In last 3 years, WN has added 6 new nonstop destinations from OMA. With Nashville growing like crazy and no nonstop on this route, I wonder if this is a plausible new WN route in next 1-2 years? At only 613 miles, it is sort of a sweet spot in flight length for WN....too long to drive, and not too long where it uses too much fuel.
jbpdx wrote:No nonstops Nashville-Portland.
southwest1675 wrote:jbpdx wrote:No nonstops Nashville-Portland.
Just waiting for Alaska or Southwest to start it.
jbpdx wrote:southwest1675 wrote:jbpdx wrote:No nonstops Nashville-Portland.
Just waiting for Alaska or Southwest to start it.
But Southwest seems to be constricting in PDX, except to California. They're dropping ABQ and cutting HOU. And Alaska can't do it all from Portland, unfortunately.
southwest1675 wrote:ADrum23 wrote:Ramprat212 wrote:
Yeah I think they will start the expansion of the lobby and ticketing area's next, however with the money they are putting up for the temporary IAB area I don't think they will start the concourse A renovation for awhile.
How much money are they putting up for the temporary IAB? Is it really going to be that nice? If they want to get going on recruiting at TPAC flight (one of their stated goals), they will need to build the permanent IAB with the 5-6 gates they are planning on having before any TPAC flight comes to BNA.
I guess the Concourse D project could get going, since it is an inactive concourse and it wouldn't cause any disruption to the current operations. But the Lobby/Ticketing/Security areas needs to be the top priority IMO.
The temp IAB's main goal is to at least get one TPAC flight. Probably that London link.
jplatts wrote:jbpdx wrote:southwest1675 wrote:
Just waiting for Alaska or Southwest to start it.
But Southwest seems to be constricting in PDX, except to California. They're dropping ABQ and cutting HOU. And Alaska can't do it all from Portland, unfortunately.
Southwest still has nonstop flights from PDX to LAS, PHX, DEN, DAL, MCI, STL, and MDW, even though Southwest will be reducing PDX-PHX to 3 daily nonstops and PDX-MDW to 2 daily nonstops starting on August 15th.
ADrum23 wrote:
Last thought, I am surprised AA has not increased service from BNA to compete with DL and UA. I wonder if we will see new AA service soon (perhaps BNA-PHX, BNA-MIA?).
ADrum23 wrote:jplatts wrote:jbpdx wrote:
But Southwest seems to be constricting in PDX, except to California. They're dropping ABQ and cutting HOU. And Alaska can't do it all from Portland, unfortunately.
Southwest still has nonstop flights from PDX to LAS, PHX, DEN, DAL, MCI, STL, and MDW, even though Southwest will be reducing PDX-PHX to 3 daily nonstops and PDX-MDW to 2 daily nonstops starting on August 15th.
It is only a matter of time before WN or AS starts BNA-PDX. That seems to be the last major west coast city that Nashville does not have a direct flight to. I read somewhere that a nonstop to PDX is a top priority for BNA.
I also think WN will eventually upgrade the seasonal BNA-SEA flight to year round (frankly, I am surprised it has not happened already, considering DL and AS already have year round service from BNA-SEA).
After they land Portland though, I wonder what other domestic destinations BNA will try to land? Or will they shift the majority of their attention to International flights?
Last thought, I am surprised AA has not increased service from BNA to compete with DL and UA. I wonder if we will see new AA service soon (perhaps BNA-PHX, BNA-MIA?).
ADrum23 wrote:jplatts wrote:jbpdx wrote:
But Southwest seems to be constricting in PDX, except to California. They're dropping ABQ and cutting HOU. And Alaska can't do it all from Portland, unfortunately.
Southwest still has nonstop flights from PDX to LAS, PHX, DEN, DAL, MCI, STL, and MDW, even though Southwest will be reducing PDX-PHX to 3 daily nonstops and PDX-MDW to 2 daily nonstops starting on August 15th.
It is only a matter of time before WN or AS starts BNA-PDX. That seems to be the last major west coast city that Nashville does not have a direct flight to. I read somewhere that a nonstop to PDX is a top priority for BNA.
I also think WN will eventually upgrade the seasonal BNA-SEA flight to year round (frankly, I am surprised it has not happened already, considering DL and AS already have year round service from BNA-SEA).
After they land Portland though, I wonder what other domestic destinations BNA will try to land? Or will they shift the majority of their attention to International flights?
Last thought, I am surprised AA has not increased service from BNA to compete with DL and UA. I wonder if we will see new AA service soon (perhaps BNA-PHX, BNA-MIA?).
ADrum23 wrote:
It is only a matter of time before WN or AS starts BNA-PDX.
southwest1675 wrote:ADrum23 wrote:jplatts wrote:
Southwest still has nonstop flights from PDX to LAS, PHX, DEN, DAL, MCI, STL, and MDW, even though Southwest will be reducing PDX-PHX to 3 daily nonstops and PDX-MDW to 2 daily nonstops starting on August 15th.
It is only a matter of time before WN or AS starts BNA-PDX. That seems to be the last major west coast city that Nashville does not have a direct flight to. I read somewhere that a nonstop to PDX is a top priority for BNA.
I also think WN will eventually upgrade the seasonal BNA-SEA flight to year round (frankly, I am surprised it has not happened already, considering DL and AS already have year round service from BNA-SEA).
After they land Portland though, I wonder what other domestic destinations BNA will try to land? Or will they shift the majority of their attention to International flights?
Last thought, I am surprised AA has not increased service from BNA to compete with DL and UA. I wonder if we will see new AA service soon (perhaps BNA-PHX, BNA-MIA?).
After PDX, I'd like to see ABQ.
AAvgeek744 wrote:
I could have sworn a few years ago WN was looking at BNA-ABQ, apparently not. It would make sense. I can't decide between AS and WN on the PDX flight.
Jshank83 wrote:ADrum23 wrote:
Last thought, I am surprised AA has not increased service from BNA to compete with DL and UA. I wonder if we will see new AA service soon (perhaps BNA-PHX, BNA-MIA?).
AA already flies from BNA-MIA. They are upgrading one of the 3 daily flights to mainline on August 22.
Midwestindy wrote:AAvgeek744 wrote:
I could have sworn a few years ago WN was looking at BNA-ABQ, apparently not. It would make sense. I can't decide between AS and WN on the PDX flight.
AS seems more likely, at least to me. Looking at AS they have said they wanted to open up 30 new routes in the next 6 months, and PDX is supposedly going to be a large portion of that expansion, so it wouldn't shock me to see BNA-PDX on AS. WN on the other hand hasn't made any similar claims about expanding out of PDX, so that's why I see AS over WN. However, that is just my opinion, and I wouldn't be shocked if WN added PDX-BNA before AS...