Airbus A330neo production and delivery thread - 2016-2017

flee · Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:21 pm

If the first flight is taking place after the summer break, first deliveries might now take place in 2H 2018. I wonder what impact it will have on the production rates of the A330-300 and A330-900?

Will Airbus be producing more A330-900 gliders, like they did with the A320Neo?

KarelXWB · Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:35 pm

flee wrote:
If the first flight is taking place after the summer break, first deliveries might now take place in 2H 2018. I wonder what impact it will have on the production rates of the A330-300 and A330-900?

Will Airbus be producing more A330-900 gliders, like they did with the A320Neo?

So far no A330-900 customer frames have entered final assembly.

The A320neo engine issues popped up when flight testing was almost complete and production frames were already in final assembly.

LoganTheBogan · Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:22 am

Quick question:
If RR delays continued, could Airbus add another engine supplier like GE or PW to the options like with the previous A330 series? Surely they wouldn't need a whole new engine. Possibly a modified GEnx or something?

Someone83 · Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:43 am

LoganTheBogan wrote:
Quick question:
If RR delays continued, could Airbus add another engine supplier like GE or PW to the options like with the previous A330 series? Surely they wouldn't need a whole new engine. Possibly a modified GEnx or something?

The quick answer to that is no.

With RR, the delay is still in terms of months. PW doesn't have any engines in this size to offer, and for GE to modify, design and certify a GEnx for the A330neo, will take years

The current RR delay is more annoying, than damaging

Polot · Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:59 am

RR also has an exclusivity agreement on the A330neo.

LoganTheBogan · Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:14 am

Ok thanks for the answer Polot and Someone83. I agree with it being more annoying than damaging. At what point will airlines cancel orders?

flee · Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:09 pm

Many airlines are reviewing and deferring wide body orders - so they may not be too worried about the A330Neo's delays.

keesje · Tue May 02, 2017 4:29 pm

Any news on Trent7000 assembly and testing?

KarelXWB · Wed May 03, 2017 9:45 am

Last month RR incorporated the thrust reverser on the Trent 7000 ground test engine for the first time.

https://twitter.com/RollsRoyceUK/status ... 9496069120

Balerit · Wed May 03, 2017 11:04 am

I would imagine that all the tests that can be done without the engines being installed, has been done and that once the engines are on it will take to the air pretty quickly.

okie73 · Wed May 03, 2017 1:20 pm

keesje wrote:
Any news on Trent7000 assembly and testing?

The raccoon eyes sure ruined a great looking airplane.

Fiend · Wed May 03, 2017 2:02 pm

okie73 wrote:

The raccoon eyes sure ruined a great looking airplane.

I think it enhances the look of the A330....

rbrunner · Wed May 03, 2017 2:36 pm

It is a matter of taste, but I think it looks cool...

LoganTheBogan · Sun May 21, 2017 9:02 am

The lack of activity is killing me :lol:

How long until the 7000 completes its tests?

keesje · Sun May 21, 2017 9:36 am

LoganTheBogan wrote:
The lack of activity is killing me

How long until the 7000 completes its tests?

Indeed, it seems Airbus is pulling forward every possible test & verification, but at some point you need the engines. This thread is slowly becoming a T7000 thread..

Meanwhile Airbus and RR are doing their routine..

LAX772LR · Sun May 21, 2017 9:38 am

okie73 wrote:
The raccoon eyes sure ruined a great looking airplane.

Disagree completely. Think it makes it look amazing!

LoganTheBogan · Sun May 21, 2017 10:20 am

LAX772LR wrote:
okie73 wrote:
The raccoon eyes sure ruined a great looking airplane.

Disagree completely. Think it makes it look amazing!

Sure does! I've often wondered why they didn't do it with the A320neo family but I don't know if it would look good. I'd like to see someone with good graphic skills make computer drawing of a A320 with raccoon eyes.

keesje · Sun May 21, 2017 10:44 am

LoganTheBogan wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
okie73 wrote:
The raccoon eyes sure ruined a great looking airplane.

Disagree completely. Think it makes it look amazing!

Sure does! I've often wondered why they didn't do it with the A320neo family but I don't know if it would look good. I'd like to see someone with good graphic skills make computer drawing of a A320 with raccoon eyes.

LoganTheBogan · Sun May 21, 2017 11:01 am

keesje wrote:
LoganTheBogan wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Disagree completely. Think it makes it look amazing!

Sure does! I've often wondered why they didn't do it with the A320neo family but I don't know if it would look good. I'd like to see someone with good graphic skills make computer drawing of a A320 with raccoon eyes.

Hahaha close enough! What would Air Canada do if they purchased the A350 or 330neo with the raccoon eyes? Double raccoon windows!

Brixerl · Sun May 21, 2017 12:56 pm

Very well done, keesje.

Looks amazing, would love to see such racooned 32x's in real life!

LazarosK · Sun May 21, 2017 3:59 pm

Brixerl wrote:
Very well done, keesje.

Looks amazing, would love to see such racooned 32x's in real life!

This is a real A321.

Brixerl · Sun May 21, 2017 4:46 pm

You are definitely right, LazarosK - but I live in Austria, we don't see these AC-birds here, at least at my home-airport. Nevertheless, thanx

Devilfish · Sun May 21, 2017 5:16 pm

LoganTheBogan wrote:
Hahaha close enough!

The totemesque image is quite fitting considering it's AC. :bigthumbsup:

KarelXWB · Mon May 22, 2017 8:00 am

ACJ330neo now up for offer:

Called the ACJ330neo, it will fly 25 passengers 9,400 nm/17,400 km or 20 hours, enough to fly nonstop from Europe to Australia.

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/news-e ... acj330neo/

c933103 · Mon May 22, 2017 1:42 pm

What do they mean that is will be developed from both -800 and -900

speedygonzales · Mon May 22, 2017 2:00 pm

The rendering looks like an 800 based on the distance between doors 1 and 2.

Stitch · Mon May 22, 2017 3:23 pm

c933103 wrote:
What do they mean that is will be developed from both -800 and -900

I believe the current A330ACJ is offered on both the A330-200 and A330-300 platforms so stands to reason the neo model will be offered on both, as well.

Devilfish · Mon May 22, 2017 8:22 pm

speedygonzales wrote:
The rendering looks like an 800 based on the distance between doors 1 and 2.

Hmmn...let us see..... :scratchchin:

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_g ... eo_02_.jpg

Stitch wrote:
I believe the current A330ACJ is offered on both the A330-200 and A330-300 platforms so stands to reason the neo model will be offered on both, as well.

They should have just called each the ACJ338 and ACJ339 respectively, for clarity.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... et-437429/

Quote:
"The ACJ330neo will be developed from both the A330-900 and the smaller, but longer-range, A330-800 models.

When equipped with Trent 7000 engines, the ACJ330neo will offer 9,400nm (17,400km) range, a 17.5% increase over the baseline ACJ330, Airbus says."

That is some seriously long range..... :wideeyed:

kurtverbose · Tue May 23, 2017 10:53 am

TAP reporting they expect theirs in the first half of 2018, but it could clip to third quarter.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... to-437522/

keesje · Tue May 23, 2017 2:15 pm

Devilfish wrote:
speedygonzales wrote:
The rendering looks like an 800 based on the distance between doors 1 and 2.

Hmmn...let us see.....

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_g ... eo_02_.jpg

Stitch wrote:
I believe the current A330ACJ is offered on both the A330-200 and A330-300 platforms so stands to reason the neo model will be offered on both, as well.

They should have just called each the ACJ338 and ACJ339 respectively, for clarity.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... et-437429/

Quote:
"The ACJ330neo will be developed from both the A330-900 and the smaller, but longer-range, A330-800 models.

When equipped with Trent 7000 engines, the ACJ330neo will offer 9,400nm (17,400km) range, a 17.5% increase over the baseline ACJ330, Airbus says."

That is some seriously long range.....

Let's get this over with. 10500NM range, between any 2 points on earth. Maybe the ACJ350 ?
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z160/keesje_pics/Ultra%20long%20city%20pairs_zpscgeqzq6o.jpg

Back on topic, Airbus is looking brave but must be disappointed about this situation at this point in time. They would have debuted at this Paris Airshow. Potential customers are no doubt holding back at this stage. :ziplip:

Newbiepilot · Tue May 23, 2017 2:33 pm

kurtverbose wrote:
TAP reporting they expect theirs in the first half of 2018, but it could clip to third quarter.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... to-437522/

After a lot of excitement when the plane was launched, it seems like most of the enthusiasm is gone. Most of that is probably engine delays, but I wonder how much of that is affecting the sales price that Airbus can offer. Leasing companies are competing with Airbus to place A330neos with airlines and given the soft widebody market now, it doesn't seem like anyone minds the schedule delays.

c933103 · Tue May 23, 2017 2:53 pm

Reading through some old threads...
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=558967
Would second generation GTF engine be a better choice on 330neo? (btw what's the current estimated EIS date for the new engine, the thread say 2019-2021 which isn't too different from what we have now...)

Tedd · Tue May 23, 2017 5:40 pm

c933103 wrote:
Reading through some old threads...
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=558967
Would second generation GTF engine be a better choice on 330neo? (btw what's the current estimated EIS date for the new engine, the thread say 2019-2021 which isn't too different from what we have now...)

I`d suggest RR`s GTF is a long way off yet, the Trent 7000 should be ready in just a few months.
I also would say that a GTF would be expensive, defeating the object of marketing an A330 neo
as a bit of a bargain compared to A350/B787.

KarelXWB · Tue May 23, 2017 6:58 pm

Besides, right now there is no suitable GTF engine for widebody aircraft under development.

A350 · Mon May 29, 2017 2:15 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Besides, right now there is no suitable GTF engine for widebody aircraft under development.

Well I know it's in concept phase rather than in development phase, but there is the Rolls-Royce UltraFan concept. Whether it will ever fly on the wing of an A330"neoneo" is a completly different question, of course.
_
edit:typo

KarelXWB · Mon May 29, 2017 2:18 pm

A350 wrote:
Well I know it's in concept phase rather than in development phase, but there is tge Rolls-Royce UltraFan concept. Whether it will ever fly on the wing of an A330"neoneo" is a completly different question, of course.

At 25-45k lbf thrust the UltraFan concept is more a 757-sized engine and would not be suitable for the A330.

kurtverbose · Mon May 29, 2017 4:34 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
At 25-45k lbf thrust the UltraFan concept is more a 757-sized engine and would not be suitable for the A330.

I know you keep saying that ultrafan will only go up to 45k, but it's just a technology demonstrator for an architecture for all thrust classes. RR have been very clear that this is their future architecture regardless of thrust requirement.

Case in point, they're testing it now to run at 100,000 bhp.

power scalable for widebody or narrowbody aircraft.

The gearbox is a vital component of the UltraFan design, offering efficient power over a wide range of thrust levels, the ability to drive larger fan sizes, while also reducing weight.

The tests are taking place at the Rolls-Royce Power Gearbox (PGB) facility in Dahlewitz, Germany, where the gearbox will ultimately run at up to 100,000 horsepower.

I think RR picked this thrust class for this implementation as it was the most likely soonest needed in the market - MOM, A322.

Not disagreeing with you that waiting for this technology to be available before doing an A330NEO would be stupid.

Planesmart · Mon May 29, 2017 9:22 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
............. given the soft widebody market now, it doesn't seem like anyone minds the schedule delays.

Ditto with 778/779. But a very different picture when it comes to compensation for delays.

keesje · Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:40 pm

I think Odile Jubécourt is biting her tongue. The 787-9 backlog is rapidly shrinking because of high production / low ordering. Eating away some of the availability window of the opportunity for the A330-900..

No doubt they are working to get the 251 MTOW certified before EIS.

c933103 · Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:35 pm

with increased MTOW can HA use the plane to fly HNL-LHR as they wish?

Newbiepilot · Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:12 pm

keesje wrote:
I think Odile Jubécourt is biting her tongue. The 787-9 backlog is rapidly shrinking because of high production / low ordering. Eating away some of the availability window of the opportunity for the A330-900...

When you add in the delays to the A330neo, the A330neo will not have that much if any advantage when it comes to delivery slots over the 787. Losing the delivery slot advantage that the A330neo has had over the 787 erases one of the reasons why airlines might order it over the 787. It now comes down to cost, efficiency and performance.

flee · Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:26 am

Airbus are now building A320Neo gliders due to the slow ramp up in engine supplies in order that the deliveries are not unduly delayed. They may need to do the same thing with the A330Neo. It would be interesting to see if they make that decision.

KarelXWB · Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:48 am

Newbiepilot wrote:
When you add in the delays to the A330neo, the A330neo will not have that much if any advantage when it comes to delivery slots over the 787. Losing the delivery slot advantage that the A330neo has had over the 787 erases one of the reasons why airlines might order it over the 787. It now comes down to cost, efficiency and performance.

The 787 backlog would have come down anyway, be it tomorrow or next year.

mjoelnir · Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:44 am

Newbiepilot wrote:
keesje wrote:
I think Odile Jubécourt is biting her tongue. The 787-9 backlog is rapidly shrinking because of high production / low ordering. Eating away some of the availability window of the opportunity for the A330-900...

When you add in the delays to the A330neo, the A330neo will not have that much if any advantage when it comes to delivery slots over the 787. Losing the delivery slot advantage that the A330neo has had over the 787 erases one of the reasons why airlines might order it over the 787. It now comes down to cost, efficiency and performance.

The 787 backlog coming down has not stopped Airbus from selling more A330 the last three, or five, or ten years than Boeing sold 787.
Last year it was net 83 A330 against 53 787. So 2016 the A330 backlog slightly increased.

KarelXWB · Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:39 pm

The first flyable Trent 7000 engines are almost ready for transport to Toulouse.

London-based Rolls-Royce said in an emailed statement that it is continuing to work closely with Airbus on the A330neo program and that it aims to dispatch the initial set of Trent 7000 engines “in the coming days.”

Evrard acknowledged that the first turbines are “very close” to being packaged and sent to Airbus’s base in Toulouse, France, where the planemaker has two revised A330 airframes ready and waiting.

Once arrived in TLS, the engines will undergo podding before being mounted on the A330.

Balerit · Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:01 pm

Let's hope that all goes well and that there are no teething problems. Every time I open this thread, I hope to see an A330 neo with engines on

LoganTheBogan · Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:44 pm

My apologies but can you please explain what podding is?
Thank you!

Tedd · Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:52 pm

LoganTheBogan wrote:
My apologies but can you please explain what podding is?
Thank you!

My guess as I`ve never heard the term "podding" would be that the engine casing or nacelle will be fitted
at Toulouse when the bare engines arrive from Derby.

AtomicGarden · Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:25 am

Balerit wrote:
Let's hope that all goes well and that there are no teething problems. Every time I open this thread, I hope to see an A330 neo with engines on

I hear you. A330 is my fav widebody, it should look stunning with bigger engines (they are bigger, right?) and those sexy A350 blended wings!

LAX772LR · Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:52 am

Devilfish wrote:
That is some seriously long range.....

Yeah, no joke... that's longer range than any A345 version, and even slightly more than a tanked 772LR! :eek:

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