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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:33 pm

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AA will only be using C3, 5, 7, 9, 11 once their jetways are hung and refurbished. They are using A1, 3 and C2, 4, 8, and 10 (now common use gates) during the transition.


Arrived late last night at C10 on AA from DFW and I noticed---the lighting was VERY different in the new AA gates (odd numbers) vs the gates on the even side. The new AA gates were very very bright, which looked very good, which helped the 'feel' in the cramped concourse . It was significantly better than the lighting on the odd-numbered side.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:48 pm

Porter is ending PIT, so I guess that probably means no CLE if an essentially identical market didn't work. Too bad.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:59 pm

fun2fly wrote:
Porter is ending PIT, so I guess that probably means no CLE if an essentially identical market didn't work. Too bad.


^CLE is NOT an "identical market" to PIT. CLE is much bigger both population and in terms of the size of the economy.

Though BKL-YTC would certainly work, I'd rather see a CLE/BKL--YUL service as they would be the sole carrier on the city pair where there is existing demand.

In fact, if they're dropping PIT, if not already re-allocated, they would have equipment for a CLE route.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:37 pm

greenair727 wrote:
fun2fly wrote:
Porter is ending PIT, so I guess that probably means no CLE if an essentially identical market didn't work. Too bad.


In fact, if they're dropping PIT, if not already re-allocated, they would have equipment for a CLE route.


They dropped 2 cities and added two others. So I'm assuming it already has been.


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1366937
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:57 pm

CLE renaming security checkpoints. I prefer A,B,C to directions--and would keep them. But if the letters are to go, I'd prefer 1,2,3.

"...Airport officials announced Wednesday the "A," "B," and "C" checkpoints will become the north, central, and south checkpoints. "In an effort to improve wayfinding for passengers departing from CLE, they will be directed to TSA checkpoints by their location within the terminal, removing the concept that departing passengers must utilize the checkpoint with the same designation as the airline’s flight departure gate," officials wrote in the release."

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/clevelan ... /452728652
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:13 am

greenair727 wrote:
fun2fly wrote:
Porter is ending PIT, so I guess that probably means no CLE if an essentially identical market didn't work. Too bad.


^CLE is NOT an "identical market" to PIT. CLE is much bigger both population and in terms of the size of the economy.

Though BKL-YTC would certainly work, I'd rather see a CLE/BKL--YUL service as they would be the sole carrier on the city pair where there is existing demand.

In fact, if they're dropping PIT, if not already re-allocated, they would have equipment for a CLE route.



Pittsburgh metro : 2.3 million
Cleveland Metro: 2 million

Very similar markets
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:19 am

^People who live suburbs of Cleveland should be part of the Cleveland MSA, but for political reasons, many are not--they're included as "Akron" instead. Metro Cleveland is 3M. Cleveland air market is 4.5M. So if Pittsburg is 2.3M, then CLE is 2x as large.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:37 am

greenair727 wrote:
^People who live suburbs of Cleveland should be part of the Cleveland MSA, but for political reasons, many are not--they're included as "Akron" instead. Metro Cleveland is 3M. Cleveland air market is 4.5M. So if Pittsburg is 2.3M, then CLE is 2x as large.


For discussion purposes -

Cleveland CSA - 3.5M
Pittsburgh CSA - 2.6M

They are much more similar than you suggested. Also, Pittsburgh ends in an "h".

It's a valid discussion point.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:02 am

CLE and PIT serve metropolitan areas of simliar size, as measured by Combined Statistical Areas (I think this is the most accurate measure of catchment area), although Cleveland is bigger by about 800K people. But CLE also splits its market with CAK.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:17 am

I would imagine Porter would have just as hard of a time going up against AC in CLE due to continued UA FFs w/ star alliance.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:41 am

Virgin Atlantic to fly CLE-LHR twice in Oct for Browns fans. It's a start.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:44 am

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Virgin Atlantic to fly CLE-LHR twice in Oct for Browns fans. It's a start.


Do you have the dates? I guess VA is the official transport of the NFL to London

Virgin Atlantic is the official airline of the NFL’s International Series in London at Wembley Stadium.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:02 am

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Virgin Atlantic to fly CLE-LHR twice in Oct for Browns fans. It's a start.

Is it for fans or team, usually VS flies the NFL teams across! I've tried looking for non stops and haven't seen any extra sections , also haven't seen anything from the team indicating there was a fan charter, I've asked thru social media with no response , which is so Browns like!
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:37 pm

fun2fly wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
Virgin Atlantic to fly CLE-LHR twice in Oct for Browns fans. It's a start.


Do you have the dates? I guess VA is the official transport of the NFL to London

Virgin Atlantic is the official airline of the NFL’s International Series in London at Wembley Stadium.


Depart on Oct 25th and return on the 30th. Aircraft are said to be A340 and 787.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:39 pm

Robert1010 wrote:
I've tried looking for non stops and haven't seen any extra sections , also haven't seen anything from the team indicating there was a fan charter, I've asked thru social media with no response , which is so Browns like!


The Browns are advertising London packages on their "tickets" web page. Some are land arrangements only, a couple include air as well.

Here also: https://www.primesport.com/d/cleveland- ... edule_page
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:29 pm

Word on the street is after their concert on Saturday, U2 is going to load up everything to fly to Europe. I'm hearing about 3 cargo planes. Don't have any other details yet. Anyone at the airport know anything?
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Sat Jul 01, 2017 3:54 pm

pitbosflyer wrote:
Word on the street is after their concert on Saturday, U2 is going to load up everything to fly to Europe. I'm hearing about 3 cargo planes. Don't have any other details yet. Anyone at the airport know anything?


Nothing on FlightAware, although there is a Bombardier Global Express scheduled out of Burke at 11:56PM going to Nice. After a few dates in UK, U2's US tour resumes at the end of July in Detroit. If I were their manager, I'd leave the stuff in the US - truck it to Detroit.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:15 am

masseybrown wrote:
pitbosflyer wrote:
Word on the street is after their concert on Saturday, U2 is going to load up everything to fly to Europe. I'm hearing about 3 cargo planes. Don't have any other details yet. Anyone at the airport know anything?


Nothing on FlightAware, although there is a Bombardier Global Express scheduled out of Burke at 11:56PM going to Nice. After a few dates in UK, U2's US tour resumes at the end of July in Detroit. If I were their manager, I'd leave the stuff in the US - truck it to Detroit.


I think this might have been the band at least. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... a/#def944d It showed up right before the concert and left right after. The prior flight was to RI, which would have coincided with their Gillette Stadium date. That must be nice..a whole 737 for a few guys.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:36 am

Edge and Bono were in Ottawa that day celebrating Canada Day with Trudeau et al. So the 737 was two people emptier, if that's what it was.

Incidentally I was at the concert and to my surprise and the surprise of those near me a decent sized plane took off right over the stadium mid concert. Why wouldn't plane take off to the east when stadium is in use?
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:38 am

Edge and Bono were in Ottawa that day celebrating Canada Day with Trudeau et al. So the 737 arriving was two people emptier, if that's what it was.

Incidentally I was at the concert and to my surprise and the surprise of those near me a decent sized plane took off right over the stadium mid concert. Why wouldn't plane take off to the east when stadium is in use?
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:46 pm

ncflyer wrote:
Edge and Bono were in Ottawa that day celebrating Canada Day with Trudeau et al. So the 737 was two people emptier, if that's what it was.

Incidentally I was at the concert and to my surprise and the surprise of those near me a decent sized plane took off right over the stadium mid concert. Why wouldn't plane take off to the east when stadium is in use?


It might be different city to city but there are planes that fly pretty low over the baseball stadium in STL during games sometimes. So the stadium being in use must not matter for flight reasons.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:54 pm

Planes fly over Progressive Field, or more famously CitiField/ Arthur Ashe tennis stadium in NY all the time. Difference is in the case of Burke, Browns stadium is essentially a long city block or two away.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:52 pm

ncflyer wrote:
Planes fly over Progressive Field, or more famously CitiField/ Arthur Ashe tennis stadium in NY all the time. Difference is in the case of Burke, Browns stadium is essentially a long city block or two away.


Oh wow you are right. I never knew there was an airport that close. They had to be realllly low.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:15 pm

Takeoffs (and landings) are based on wind direction, so that night, the winds must have favored departures to the west.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:02 am

The City Planning Commission on Friday will consider (and probably approve) improvements to Burke taxiway D, the one right in the middle of the runways that connects to G. Spending money on BKL! That' s a first in a long time.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:10 pm

Can Cleveland get a low cost carrier to Mexico or Panama? Coulumbia? I think with the large Latin population in Cleveland someone could do Mexico City.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:23 pm

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The City Planning Commission on Friday will consider (and probably approve) improvements to Burke taxiway D, the one right in the middle of the runways that connects to G. Spending money on BKL! That' s a first in a long time.


Thats great that finally some capital money is being spent at BKL.

fsafsx wrote:
Can Cleveland get a low cost carrier to Mexico or Panama? Coulumbia? I think with the large Latin population in Cleveland someone could do Mexico City.


Would love to see Copa to PTY, or better anything to GRU--as that's the largest business hub for South America. AM did have CLE-MEX rights a while back. Re the Latin population in CLE, I think the greatest group in the city is Puerto Ricans, not Mexicans or Central/South Americans.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:42 am

Cleveland.com covering the SWA add to RSW Jan to May Sat/Sun service.

http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.s ... rt_m-rpt-2

From the article: Passengers daily, each way

Orlando, 627

Fort Lauderdale, 362

Tampa, 282

Fort Myers, 278

Miami, 121
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:10 pm

^no more PBI service? Also, I always found it interesting that MIA numbers--even in the days of the CO hub--were always so low.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:07 pm

greenair727 wrote:
^no more PBI service? Also, I always found it interesting that MIA numbers--even in the days of the CO hub--were always so low.


PBI and JAX are both around 60 PDEW. Even in the best days of the CO hub, those two struggled, although Jax traffic is growing and PBI isn't.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:40 am

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ss ... river_home

"MIAMI -- A passenger plane traveling from Kingston, Jamaica, to Cleveland, Ohio, was diverted to Miami after reports of a fire that turned out to be a false alarm.....The Miami Herald reports that Swift Air Flight 2933 landed at the Miami International Airport on Friday afternoon.....No injuries were reported to the plane's 155 occupants. It wasn't immediately clear what triggered the false fire alarm."

Is this a charter?
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:21 pm

^ Flight Aware said the flight came from Punta Cana, not Kingston. Swift is an Apple public charter I believe.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:55 pm

Swift Air flies between PUJ-CLE a couple of times per week. I see them parked at customs now and then.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:04 pm

CLE filed its annual report with the FAA this past week. Lots of good news. All numbers in millions, except %. Passenger airline revenue up $11 to $81.5, Non-pax (freight, GA, DoD) revenue up 1.5, to 12.8, non-aeronautical revenue up 2.3 to 48.7. Total revenue up 14.5 (5%); operating expenses up 7.3 (5.7%); operating income 8.6, up 561%. Non operating expenses down 9.6 (-61.5%) to 6.0, reflecting mostly decreased interest expense and additional grant receipts. CLE's end of year debt was 724, down by 58 and down by 132 from a pre-hub closure high of 856.

It likely that the mid-2017 debt total now stands somewhere in the high 600's. I don't know what airport employees think about events, but it seems fair to say good things financial started happening after Ricky Smith left and that Fred Szabo wasn't too bad at all as caretaker. Also (it's a minor thing but a good sign) this year the report was filed on time.

The new debt level probably allows the airport to entertain a good sized construction project or two. Let's see ,,, what do they need first? A new FIS?
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:18 pm

Looks like DL #97 made a pitstop in CLE last night on its way back from Paris. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /LFPG/KCLE
Must have needed more fuel to wait out the weather in PIT.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:42 pm

pitbosflyer wrote:
Looks like DL #97 made a pitstop in CLE last night on its way back from Paris. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /LFPG/KCLE
Must have needed more fuel to wait out the weather in PIT.


DL isn't shy about using CLE for DTW diversions either. CLE welcomes all business. :smile:
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:09 pm

masseybrown wrote:
pitbosflyer wrote:
Looks like DL #97 made a pitstop in CLE last night on its way back from Paris. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /LFPG/KCLE
Must have needed more fuel to wait out the weather in PIT.


DL isn't shy about using CLE for DTW diversions either. CLE welcomes all business. :smile:

Since we can't get any of our own Int' service!
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:23 pm

masseybrown wrote:
CLE filed its annual report with the FAA this past week. Lots of good news. All numbers in millions, except %. Passenger airline revenue up $11 to $81.5, Non-pax (freight, GA, DoD) revenue up 1.5, to 12.8, non-aeronautical revenue up 2.3 to 48.7. Total revenue up 14.5 (5%); operating expenses up 7.3 (5.7%); operating income 8.6, up 561%. Non operating expenses down 9.6 (-61.5%) to 6.0, reflecting mostly decreased interest expense and additional grant receipts. CLE's end of year debt was 724, down by 58 and down by 132 from a pre-hub closure high of 856.

It likely that the mid-2017 debt total now stands somewhere in the high 600's. I don't know what airport employees think about events, but it seems fair to say good things financial started happening after Ricky Smith left and that Fred Szabo wasn't too bad at all as caretaker. Also (it's a minor thing but a good sign) this year the report was filed on time.

The new debt level probably allows the airport to entertain a good sized construction project or two. Let's see ,,, what do they need first? A new FIS?


Those are good numbers. I'm curious how much traffic increased this May and June with the decent capacity boost from F9, WN, and G4. It seemed like the airport was the busiest it's been in years. The airport is almost serving as many pax as 2012, but without concourse D.

F9 should have their winter schedule extension very soon so it will be interesting to see how it compares to last winter. Usually they just go back to flying Florida plus PHX and LAS.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:49 pm

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F9 should have their winter schedule extension very soon so it will be interesting to see how it compares to last winter. Usually they just go back to flying Florida plus PHX and LAS.


CLE-LAX/SFO/SAN/SEA are currently scheduled to operate right up to November; only CLE-PDX gets cut earlier. That's getting to be a *long* season. I think F9 remains happy with their CLE operation.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:42 pm

DoT issued April numbers. Overall domestic only CLE boardings were up: 341.4K this year vs 311.4K last year - up 9.6%. Among the LCCs:

4/17 vs 4/16 boardings and 4/17 vs 4/16 load factors

G4 12.8K at 72.6% load factor. No prior year numbers.
F9 40.9K vs 35.0K 83.6% vs 84.2%
B6 10.6K vs 7.7K 83.5% vs 79.0%
WN 56.2K vs 49.1K 82.1% vs 83.5%
NK 27.6K vs 28.8K 82.0% vs 77.5%

LCC increases accounted for almost all of the total airport increase..

Ultimate at BKL was down slightly in April compared to last year boarding 814 vs 886 with a 67.8% load factor vs 70.3% the year before. In 2016 Ultimate operated two more flights (42 vs 40 this year) accounting for much of the decrease. Adding Atlanta as a beyond point doesn't seem to have done much for them.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:29 pm

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Ultimate at BKL was down slightly in April compared to last year boarding 814 vs 886 with a 67.8% load factor vs 70.3% the year before. In 2016 Ultimate operated two more flights (42 vs 40 this year) accounting for much of the decrease. Adding Atlanta as a beyond point doesn't seem to have done much for them.


Apparently there was not many people doing the BKL-LUK-PDK segment and they recently stopped offering it as an option on their online booking system.
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:54 pm

The Frontier schedule extension is out and it looks like CLE goes back to its usual winter seasonal of Florida plus PHX and LAS. DEN remains at less than daily as well as CUN. The west coast flying all ends on October 4th. Things look relatively unchanged from last winter, however I'm sure there'll be lots of discussion of how F9 is gutting CLE with the typical seasonal markets going away for the winter.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:47 pm

Actually to edit what I posted above a few days ago, that was actually an edit to their October schedule, not the actual extension past November 1.

Interestingly, the schedule they have in place for October is likely not final as there are aircraft on the ground for 8+ hours before the next departure. I find that unlikely so there's either a few more additions or deletions in the works.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:31 pm

The rumored reduction in LUK-MDW service from two to a single r/t on weekdays has taken effect. The reduction strikes me as odd since LUK-MDW was their second busiest route after LUK-BKL. .That means the plane sits from 7:30AM until 5:30PM in MDW. Unless Ultimate has a lot of day-trip charter business in Chicago, that slack schedule leaves ample time for a MDW-CLE-MDW turn. Maybe we'll hear something.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:18 am

For BKL-MDW to be successful, I think they must have an am and pm departure from each city, same as the BKL-LUK model, so day trips could be done by people originating in either city. This route (with such a schedule) would be a big success for them (as would a BKL-LGA with the same schedule if they were to ever try that.)
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:22 am

F9 schedule now shows CLE-MIA three times a week beginning in November
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:46 am

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F9 schedule now shows CLE-MIA three times a week beginning in November


So that would bring the total number of airports served at one point by F9 at CLE during the past 3 years up to at least 28! F9 sure loves to drop and add routes. There aren't many more markets left for them to try.

It looks like all flights during the winter are A321 and there's one more extra departure per day compared to last year, so it ends up being a modest capacity boost ... assuming no further changes.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:29 pm

lakeeffect wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
F9 schedule now shows CLE-MIA three times a week beginning in November


So that would bring the total number of airports served at one point by F9 at CLE during the past 3 years up to at least 28! F9 sure loves to drop and add routes. There aren't many more markets left for them to try.

It looks like all flights during the winter are A321 and there's one more extra departure per day compared to last year, so it ends up being a modest capacity boost ... assuming no further changes.


Correction: MIA's start date is October, which leads demand a bit. No real surprises in the schedule. The CLE winter traveller seems to have settled on a few reliable resorts and stuck with them. A mojito is a mojito is a mojito.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:08 pm

masseybrown wrote:
lakeeffect wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
F9 schedule now shows CLE-MIA three times a week beginning in November


So that would bring the total number of airports served at one point by F9 at CLE during the past 3 years up to at least 28! F9 sure loves to drop and add routes. There aren't many more markets left for them to try.

It looks like all flights during the winter are A321 and there's one more extra departure per day compared to last year, so it ends up being a modest capacity boost ... assuming no further changes.


Correction: MIA's start date is October, which leads demand a bit. No real surprises in the schedule. The CLE winter traveller seems to have settled on a few reliable resorts and stuck with them. A mojito is a mojito is a mojito.


I think F9 has found a comfortable spot in CLE and they are going to stick with the formula that's worked out for them so far: fly south in the winter and fly west in the summer. AA will probably heavily match F9 to MIA and I wonder if this might lead to a mainline frequency being swapped out for one of the 3 regional jets currently flown? I think this will also significantly change travel habits of MIA vs FLL. Now that the price of MIA tickets will be comparable to FLL which airport will people choose to fly into?

I just did a quick tally of F9's available seats from CLE for January 2017 compared to January 2018 and Jan 2018 is about 15.6% higher than Jan 2017. So the slow and steady growth of other carriers continues.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:13 pm

lakeeffect wrote:
AA will probably heavily match F9 to MIA and I wonder if this might lead to a mainline frequency being swapped out for one of the 3 regional jets currently flown? I think this will also significantly change travel habits of MIA vs FLL. Now that the price of MIA tickets will be comparable to FLL which airport will people choose to fly into?.


I wonder why it doesn't try CLE-PBI as it could bracket the loss of FLL with both MIA and PBI. No carrier flies it as well.

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Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos