greenair727 wrote:^I think that makes sense. Not sure of prices if you originate at YYZ instead of CLE, but if one is going to drive, unless YYZ is a much better price, one could drive two hours less and go to Detroit. I've never connected at YYZ, though not for the prop vs. jet issues, but a general decision not to fly AC after a bad experience with them.
greenair727 wrote:^Is the 752 the new flight?
masseybrown wrote:CLE's RFP for an air service development consultant drew interest from Sixel Consulting Group and Seabury APG. Sixel's clients have tended to be small airports, while Seabury has a history with CLE and claims in a presser to be the reason Spirit chose to serve CLE. I'm guessing Seabury will continue in the job.
lakeeffect wrote:masseybrown wrote:Is OneJet still looking at CLE? That's probably the best chance at getting back service to markets like IND, ALB, and MCI.
masseybrown wrote:One obstacle at CLE: they need a partner for long-haul interlining and I don't know who that would be. AA would be perhaps the most likely, but I doubt CLE gets a whole lot of AA's attention these days.
AirportRival wrote:Why would they need a partner at CLE? They are a public charter. They don't have interlining. They don't even offer connections in LUK which is a bigger operation than BLK.
masseybrown wrote:WOW already flies from their Iceland hub to most of the major cities/countries in Europe except Switzerland. Iceland is not a member of the EU (they applied but changed their minds); so I guess the usual transit security arrangements (get off. get checked, reboard) would apply.
greenair727 wrote:That's great! I believe I mentioned on here once that WOW would be a good pursuit for CLE.....
Does WOW have 5th freedom rights between Iceland and Europe?
Where in Europe would it serve?
For CLE pax destined for Europe and not Iceland, do they have to de-board at Iceland and go through security to get into Europe? (on the reverse trip to the US, I assume they would have to).
klakzky123 wrote:masseybrown wrote:WOW already flies from their Iceland hub to most of the major cities/countries in Europe except Switzerland. Iceland is not a member of the EU (they applied but changed their minds); so I guess the usual transit security arrangements (get off. get checked, reboard) would apply.
Iceland isn't part of the EU but is part of the Schengen area so you only have to do immigration once at Iceland. Onward flights from Iceland are no different than traveling between most EU countries (essentially Domestic flights) Switzerland is also part of Schengen as well so no issues there.
greenair727 wrote:Would the flight be CLE-RKV or CLE-RKV-???, and if the latter, would it be LHR, CDG, AMS, another?
lakeeffect wrote:... looking at their North American route map, one could easily say that CLE does not fit in to their model.
masseybrown wrote:DTW has a lot of TATL, but there's still a lot of passengers that are looking for the lower cost option which DTW doesn't have to Europe like most airports of that size do, so FI or WOW would probably add that before CLE, or one goes to DTW and the other goes to CLE kind of thing. WOW actually would be perfect for CLE like FI would be perfect for DTW IMO.lakeeffect wrote:DTW has a ton of TATL service already
lakeeffect wrote:July was also the first full month of the resumed WN CLE-STL flight which had an 83.9% load factor.
greenair727 wrote:Isn't Jan-March high season on this route? If so, is it noteworthy what F9 is decreasing capacity on it?
greenair727 wrote:I feel like Cleveland is definitely on a short list for either WOW or Icelandair, I can also see Aer Lingus and Norwegian being possibilities too, seeming that they all provide fair European connections. All of the four would be a good move for Cleveland, though, realistically it will only be one for a while.^ Except Iceland! (hopefully....)
July ended up being Frontier's busiest month at CLE since they started. Hopefully all the west coast flights did well enough to return next year. Perhaps F9 would opt for CLE-SAN next year instead of competing with 2 other carriers to LAX?
jbpdx wrote:The CLE-PDX nonstop has not been operating for weeks. I've been trying to find out what happened to it and nobody seems to know or want to comment. The LAX, SFO and PHL flights, which Frontier launched in April at the same time as Portland, are still operating. ???
thedetroitpole wrote:I feel like Cleveland is definitely on a short list for either WOW or Icelandair, I can also see Aer Lingus and Norwegian being possibilities too ...
jbpdx wrote:Also, Frontier never said in the press release whether the four cities added in April (LAX, SFO, PDX, PHL) were seasonal, just 3 or 4 days a week.
masseybrown wrote:thedetroitpole wrote:I feel like Cleveland is definitely on a short list for either WOW or Icelandair, I can also see Aer Lingus and Norwegian being possibilities too ...
Crain's Cleveland just published a list of area colleges/universities. The CLE-catchment student population is 150,000. If you figure OSU students might be attracted to a budget European flight and add in locals who go away to school, the number is easily over 200,000. If only 5% of that number went to Europe per year, students alone would fill a bunch of flights. And yet the budget European airlines only *talk* about serving secondary cities; they actually fly mostly to the usual big markets - so far, anyway.
ncflyer wrote:On a separate note can we all agree that the steady state post hub CLE is boring and disappointing? Seems like some non hub airports in the South such as RDU or BNA or even for that matter MCI get a lot more love from the airlines.
greenair727 wrote:ncflyer--what school was that that did that?
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