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Why was the thread on BA deboarding a family moved from the Civil Aviation forum?

Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:45 am

The thread discusses a factual event concerning a commercial airline and the issue has snow balled and reached the higher echelons of power in India. It is bizarre that the topic should be moved to Travel, Polls and Preferences. It should be noted that according to the OP the thread was deleted when she posted it the first time. Is this an attempt to bury the news?
 
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Re: Why was the thread on BA deboarding a family moved from the Civil Aviation forum?

Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:18 am

I checked the moderator logs and the initial thread was indeed deleted, but there was a reason, it contained flamebait. Hence it was deleted. So there was no interest at all "to bury the news".
 
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Re: Why was the thread on BA deboarding a family moved from the Civil Aviation forum?

Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:23 am

Fair enough, but why should it be moved from the Civil Aviation forum?
 
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Re: Why was the thread on BA deboarding a family moved from the Civil Aviation forum?

Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:04 pm

unrave wrote:
Fair enough, but why should it be moved from the Civil Aviation forum?

Moderators move threads to the forum they deem most appropriate. I agree with the determination by that moderator that it be moved. Some people seem to view topics being moved out of Civ Av as a sleight, but it isn't — other forums exist for a reason.
 
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Re: Why was the thread on BA deboarding a family moved from the Civil Aviation forum?

Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:49 pm

Given the vast disparity in participation levels between the two forums, moving it seems to be very convenient way of avoiding serious discussion on the topic.
At the very moment there is front page thread on Civ Av forum that discusses a deboarding incident with AA. How is this any different?
 
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Re: Why was the thread on BA deboarding a family moved from the Civil Aviation forum?

Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:02 pm

unrave wrote:
Given the vast disparity in participation levels between the two forums, moving it seems to be very convenient way of avoiding serious discussion on the topic.
At the very moment there is front page thread on Civ Av forum that discusses a deboarding incident with AA. How is this any different?

First, the Travel Forum is the second most frequented forum on the site, so it's hardly like we've hidden it in some secret corner. Second, we don't keep threads in what we deem the incorrect forum just so that more people will comment. We put threads in the appropriate forum on a case-by-case basis. If you're insinuating some sort of conspiracy to avoid discussing this topic, then you give us far too much credit. I won't comment on other threads, because that "whataboutism" could send us in circles all day.

The thread was moved because that's where the moderator decided it belongs. The original thread was deleted as a rules violation. You've received your explanation.
 
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Re: Why was the thread on BA deboarding a family moved from the Civil Aviation forum?

Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:27 pm

The only explanation I have received is 'because the mod decided so'. Oh and the travel forum has less than 10% as many posts and topics as the Civ Av forum.
 
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Re: Why was the thread on BA deboarding a family moved from the Civil Aviation forum?

Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:47 pm

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The only explanation I have received is 'because the mod decided so'. Oh and the travel forum has less than 10% as many posts and topics as the Civ Av forum.


As the moderator who moved it, the thread was reported of which the reporter suggested it was suited better to the Travel, Polls and Preferences, upon reviewing it, the thread was moved. There is no conspiracy theory going on, we move threads from forum to forum on a daily basis. Finally we have explained it to you more than once and as you were not the thread starter we do not owe you an explanation at all
 
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Re: Why was the thread on BA deboarding a family moved from the Civil Aviation forum?

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:23 pm

Personally if I saw the issue in the news I wouldn't think to search for it in Travel, Polls and Preferences so I would probably post a duplicate. If TP&P is indeed the correct sub-forum, then TP&P has a very misleading name.

Thanks for the reply in the Site Related post, I'll reply to it when I've had a moment to digest.
 
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Re: Why was the thread on BA deboarding a family moved from the Civil Aviation forum?

Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:10 pm

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Finally we have explained it to you more than once and as you were not the thread starter we do not owe you an explanation at all

That's a healthy attitude for a moderator to have. "Screw you, we don't care that you are an active member of these forums, you have no right to question how we carry out our job."


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If TP&P is indeed the correct sub-forum, then TP&P has a very misleading name.

That's been a complaint for a long time, one that the moderators haven't made any attempt to clarify it, despite several overhauls of the forums.
 
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Re: Why was the thread on BA deboarding a family moved from the Civil Aviation forum?

Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:37 pm

Moose135 wrote:
Virtual737 wrote:
If TP&P is indeed the correct sub-forum, then TP&P has a very misleading name.

That's been a complaint for a long time, one that the moderators haven't made any attempt to clarify it, despite several overhauls of the forums.


How so? The forum is "Travel, Polls & Preferences"

The deplaning of passengers from one specific flight would seem to fall more into the "Travel" category than "Civil Aviation", IMHO. Especially as most of the discussion is speculation rather than fact based.
 
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Re: Why was the thread on BA deboarding a family moved from the Civil Aviation forum?

Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:48 pm

scbriml wrote:
Moose135 wrote:
Virtual737 wrote:
If TP&P is indeed the correct sub-forum, then TP&P has a very misleading name.

That's been a complaint for a long time, one that the moderators haven't made any attempt to clarify it, despite several overhauls of the forums.


How so? The forum is "Travel, Polls & Preferences"

The deplaning of passengers from one specific flight would seem to fall more into the "Travel" category than "Civil Aviation", IMHO. Especially as most of the discussion is speculation rather than fact based.

Going by that logic, shouldn't every onboard incident on a flight be put in "Travel, Polls and Preferences"? That is not happening. There are way more threads regarding onboard incidents in the Civil Aviation forum and that's where they are supposed to be beacause the incidents happened in civilan aircraft.
I still do not understand the reasoning behind moving this thread out of Civil Aviation
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:55 pm

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First, the Travel Forum is the second most frequented forum on the site, so it's hardly like we've hidden it in some secret corner.

Actually, the Travel forum is the 5th most active forum going by the number of posts and topics. It comes after Civil Aviation, Non-aviation, Aviation Photography and Technical/Operations.
 
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Re: Why was the thread on BA deboarding a family moved from the Civil Aviation forum?

Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:52 pm

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How so? The forum is "Travel, Polls & Preferences"

From the listed description of the forum:

Opinion-based discussions about aviation. The best, worst, biggest, smallest. Or seeking advice as to a preferred carrier for a trip you are planning, etc.

As opposed to the description of the Civil Aviation forum:

Discussions about factual events happening in the airline and general aviation industries. If it's happening in commercial aviation, you'll get the information and opinions here first.
And from the description, Civil Av is also a place for opinions on factual events...
 
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Re: Why was the thread on BA deboarding a family moved from the Civil Aviation forum?

Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:16 am

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unrave wrote:
The only explanation I have received is 'because the mod decided so'. Oh and the travel forum has less than 10% as many posts and topics as the Civ Av forum.


As the moderator who moved it, the thread was reported of which the reporter suggested it was suited better to the Travel, Polls and Preferences, upon reviewing it, the thread was moved. There is no conspiracy theory going on, we move threads from forum to forum on a daily basis. Finally we have explained it to you more than once and as you were not the thread starter we do not owe you an explanation at all

Either you do not understand what the different forums mean or their definitions need to be updated. You have not explained it more than once, you have given more than one way of saying 'the mod thought so'. And finally where does it say in the rules that only thread starters can question mod actions in the site related forum?
 
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Re: Why was the thread on BA deboarding a family moved from the Civil Aviation forum?

Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:53 am

unrave wrote:
qf789 wrote:
unrave wrote:
The only explanation I have received is 'because the mod decided so'. Oh and the travel forum has less than 10% as many posts and topics as the Civ Av forum.


As the moderator who moved it, the thread was reported of which the reporter suggested it was suited better to the Travel, Polls and Preferences, upon reviewing it, the thread was moved. There is no conspiracy theory going on, we move threads from forum to forum on a daily basis. Finally we have explained it to you more than once and as you were not the thread starter we do not owe you an explanation at all

Either you do not understand what the different forums mean or their definitions need to be updated. You have not explained it more than once, you have given more than one way of saying 'the mod thought so'. And finally where does it say in the rules that only thread starters can question mod actions in the site related forum?

The definitions were updated. The definitions mentioned in this thread aren't what's contained in the forum rules. It's not updated on the main page, but that's outside of our control, so you'll have to take that up with the developers. They're also very short descriptions and don't cover every possible topic — that wouldn't be possible. We use our best judgement.

Believe it or not, not everything we do is covered in the forum rules. We have our own policies we follow, and that includes only discussing moderator actions with the user directly involved. This has always been the case. You were not the thread starter, and we have provided a more than adequate explanation despite no obligation to do so. It isn't our place to discuss the actions we've taken against you and your posts in an open forum, because that would violate your privacy.

This thread and your comments are going around in circles. The question has been asked and answered, and the thread will be locked.

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