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Super80Fan wrote:Create your own website if you are so triggered by it. Airliners.net is based in the US with mainly US posters, of course most topics are going to relate to the US.
kimimm19 wrote:Get ready.... Of course it is. It's an English speaking site, and the USA has a vast population of those native speakers.
Super80Fan wrote:Create your own website if you are so triggered by it. Airliners.net is based in the US with mainly US posters, of course most topics are going to relate to the US.
Varsity1 wrote:Do Europeans complain about everything?
The USA makes up about 40% of departures per day globally. It should be no surprise that it makes up a large percentage of the content as well. Other large markets like China are engineered and controlled by a regulator, so there isn't much to discuss.
qf789 wrote:Super80Fan wrote:Create your own website if you are so triggered by it. Airliners.net is based in the US with mainly US posters, of course most topics are going to relate to the US.
Actually it's based in Canada now
Varsity1 wrote:Do Europeans complain about everything?
The USA makes up about 40% of departures per day globally. It should be no surprise that it makes up a large percentage of the content as well. Other large markets like China are engineered and controlled by a regulator, so there isn't much to discuss.
cougar15 wrote:Yes, I know I should have posted on ´site related´, but at least wanted to reach a wider audience, before the Mods will surely move this thread to that forum.
MaxTrimm wrote:Yes, it's very US centric..
cougar15 wrote:Yes, I know I should have posted on ´site related´, but at least wanted to reach a wider audience, before the Mods will surely move this thread to that forum.
Whist I only joined a few years ago, I had been lurcking since the very start of this Website in the old Johan days.
Now when I look at ´Civil Aviation´ , I often have 80-90% US topics. A lot has changed on A.Net over the past couple of years, some good, some bad, but it is still my favourite Platform. However the US Topics are boaring me as a ´global free Agent´ , working in the aviation industry. Carrier XY starting a new (US Domestic) Route, is Delta dropping this, is UA starting that.... filling the forum. No disrespect at all to my US friends, but this is a global platform!
Is it not time for the Mods to think about adding a ´US Forum´ , where my good friends in the US have a platform to indulge in all these topics, giving the rest of the global audience/members opportunity to discuss global civil aviation?
Any thoughts?
alyusuph wrote:MaxTrimm wrote:Yes, it's very US centric..
Then if that is the case, Airbus has a very good fan base, right in the heart of Boeing's home - You see, any discussion can be made to relate to A and B!
VirginFlyer wrote:cougar15 wrote:Yes, I know I should have posted on ´site related´, but at least wanted to reach a wider audience, before the Mods will surely move this thread to that forum.
I'm sorry but that's just rude. If I was a moderator, I would have just deleted this thread for being in the wrong forum and asked you to post it again properly. The mods don't get everything right, but they try their best, and I don't think it is fair to deliberately create extra work for them because you think your site-related topic is somehow more important than everyone else's. If you're really concerned that there's an important Site Related issue which people aren't noticing, why not do what I did and throw a link to the Site Related thread in question in your signature.
As for the question, yes there's definitely quite a lot of discussion about the US here. As someone from outside the US, I feel I've learnt a lot about Aviation there as a result. I'd love to see more posts about aviation in the Pacific Islands, so I started a thread earlier this year. It's on its third page now, and is starting to develop its own momentum. I'd encourage you to start some legitimate threads about things you feel we might not have given adequate attention to in the forum; I think it will give better results than posting a thread like this in a forum you know full-well it isn't supposed to be in.
V/F
cougar15 wrote:kimimm19 wrote:Get ready.... Of course it is. It's an English speaking site, and the USA has a vast population of those native speakers.
No Problem with that, so let´s give them their very own forum, it´s so easy......look at how PPrune deals with this....
qf789 wrote:Super80Fan wrote:Create your own website if you are so triggered by it. Airliners.net is based in the US with mainly US posters, of course most topics are going to relate to the US.
Actually it's based in Canada now
MillwallSean wrote:It is to US centric these days. Thats however not something new. Its been like that for the last 7-10 years. I believe that most high quality posters (including the US ones) disappeared from here around the time the original owners sold out. During those days we had some very knowledgeable Asian and European posters who had been on the forum since its early days. Many were industry insiders and them together with some old school spotters made the forum excellent.
It meant that we often had a very good idea of what was happening before anything was decided.
Most of these posters are now on regional forums, having lost interest in A.net due to what was some extreme childishness. Regional forums are today what A.net was 10 years ago. Thats where informed posters gather and where the discussion is one based on knowledge. To me its sad that we lost close to 90% of our Asian posters. That most Europeans lost interest. That the Indian community stopped posting etc. Not sure I would blame it on the US posters though, more the general lack of tone and debate.
Not sure how many of you that remembers a certain Asian poster who at the time had a very high position in a bluechip Asian carrier. He, when pointing out what this particular carrier was doing and where it saw its future, got a handful from posters that disagreed with him virtually telling him he knew nothing and they knew much better. His information to share corporate strategy and industry trends was rather limited after that. And I don't blame him, being challenged and questioned by people that have no clue of the context, the airline and the industry is perhaps not the way Id spend my free time.
I think that there was a "new" generation of posters who believed that by having absolute opinions and by making universalist claims they would "win" a debate. Most knowledgeable posters had little interest in that and instead opted to take their knowledge elsewhere. Being challenged by a 20 year old newbie is ok when its done on factual grounds, however arguing over established facts isn't and just leads to irrelevance.
The exchange of information gave way to a forum where opinions where not respected and instead debates based on emotions took over which led to factual posters seeking refuge elsewhere giving way for a new group of posters who enjoyed a different kind of forum.
MillwallSean wrote:It is to US centric these days. Thats however not something new. Its been like that for the last 7-10 years. I believe that most high quality posters (including the US ones) disappeared from here around the time the original owners sold out.
mariner wrote:Beyond that, I don't find the site all that different from when I joined sixteen years ago. There are posters I miss, but there are some new posters who have come up to take their place.
AirIndia wrote:Maybe A.net shd start a verification service like twitter that verifies some posters based on their (confidential) background check. THat will take the forums to the next level.
VirginFlyer wrote:When I go back and look at some of my first posts (quite literally half a lifetime ago) I am amazed at some of the dopey things I said. But I learned (I hope!) and I think if we are encouraging and patient then others can also learn.
Varsity1 wrote:Do Europeans complain about everything?
The USA makes up about 40% of departures per day globally.
L410Turbolet wrote:It has a lot to do with nostalgia over the times when a.net was owned by Johann and everything was more relaxed, no US corporate bs, no moderator zealotry, so on and so forth.
Today's a.net is only a shadow of its former self.
Aither wrote:Varsity1 wrote:Do Europeans complain about everything?
The USA makes up about 40% of departures per day globally. It should be no surprise that it makes up a large percentage of the content as well. Other large markets like China are engineered and controlled by a regulator, so there isn't much to discuss.
I also believe "too US centric" is not just about the topic titles...
AirIndia wrote:Very well put. Yes most of the knowledgeable posters are long gone. The new generation (Millenials) are in general different.
Earlier there used to be a Respect Rating which is now gone. even though it may not have been the cleanest rating it gave clear indication on who had correct knowledge. Maybe A.net shd start a verification service like twitter that verifies some posters based on their (confidential) background check. THat will take the forums to the next level.
oldannyboy wrote:Aither wrote:Varsity1 wrote:Do Europeans complain about everything?
The USA makes up about 40% of departures per day globally. It should be no surprise that it makes up a large percentage of the content as well. Other large markets like China are engineered and controlled by a regulator, so there isn't much to discuss.
I also believe "too US centric" is not just about the topic titles...
Oh boy, I so agree with you! You always get those abrasive, anal replies from some (US?) users....
Varsity1 wrote:Do Europeans complain about everything?
MillwallSean wrote:I think that there was a "new" generation of posters who believed that by having absolute opinions and by making universalist claims they would "win" a debate.
VirginFlyer wrote:I was a moderator here when Johan was running the show. We were regularly accused of bias, zealotry, so on and so forth. Were you to believe the complaints we got, we were simultaneously for and against Boeing, Airbus, George Bush, and Vladimir Putin. There was even a website dedicated to pillorying the Johan and the moderators. To be honest I don't see too much difference in that regard to the current situation; if anything I feel the mods are more relaxed with things now than we used to be back then.
oldannyboy wrote:The real problem is having to deal with US posters with zero international experience/exposure and a relatively closed mindset for an international forum...now that is a big (cultural) issue for me....
SomebodyInTLS wrote:No, but there are a number of general interest websites where US-based users just act as if everyone else is US-based as well. This is one of them.
It can be pretty annoying for "the rest of the world" and hints at a certain arrogance.