New Site.

FredrikHAD · Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:31 pm

The forum search is improved. At lease it produces a reply:

"Sorry, search could not be performed. More information about this failure has been logged in the error log."

Searching for "United" in the entire forum...

/Fredrik

N766UA · Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:34 pm

Yeah, I thought about it... I'll never like this design. I joined in 1999 and I think I'm calling it quits here. This forum is good for news, but in general it's a bit of an industry joke. Very few experts, weird fanboy culture, and lots of silly PC nonsense...that kind of thing. This new re-design takes the only thing this forum had going for it, simple, easily-readable elegance, and trashes it in favor of a generic, advertisement-strewn wasteland. One that is very hard to read.

It's been real.

mariner · Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:35 pm

mighluss wrote:
Click the skull... select "settings" ... upload a photo.

Thanks, but I tried that and I couldn't work how to change that awful skull - and I couldn't figure out a way to upload photo in place of the skull.

StrandedAtMKG · Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:35 pm

bradmovie wrote:
It is much more difficult to tell how long ago topics were updated -- the timestamp is there, but no longer is there a countdown of how long it has been since last response.

...which is a useless feature. Your comment says it was posted today at 21:48. It's currently 19:34, so unless you somehow posted your comment two hours in the future it's of no use whatsoever.

aeromoe · Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:39 pm

Probably going to take time to get used to...like any change. Personally I prefer the old site...but that's what it was...an old site...but with the classic look so many of us liked.
I will get used to this new one I hope.

Aeromoe

dozerman · Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:42 pm

I think paid accounts are not necessary anymore to post here.

SCQ83 · Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:47 pm

Wow... horrible. I doubt I will continue here.

First, the design is bland as hell. You can change the "Airliners" on top by "Britney Spears" and it would work as well. The sad thing is that it is true.

Second, whoever changed it doesn't understand what the "Civil Aviation" is about.

Civil Aviation is an impossible mix where one thread about a new Ryanair base in Bulgaria is next to another one about what is going on in Milwaukee Airport and next to another one about Boeing's finances. That I think is what made this forum interesting. An amateur mix of everything aviation, and you choose from the large menu on the front screen.

Having such a compact view gave you an overview and the chance to see some thread that fits well with your interests (to be honest what happens in Milwaukee is not of my interest)

Now you open the Civil Aviation General Page and you have like 10-15 (on a laptop) threads... none is of my interest... I am not going to keep moving pages, sorry!

mighluss · Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:49 pm

mariner wrote:
mighluss wrote:
Click the skull... select "settings" ... upload a photo.

.

Photo has to be:

Minimum 100 x 100px.
Maximum 500 x 500px and 1M file size.
JPEG only.

Then go right down & click "save"

ATA L1011 · Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:51 pm

dfwneedsqf wrote:
Not a fan.

The colors are really too bright. The light on dark theme was easier to read as well as determine how things were grouped and organized. The giant photos at the top of the home page are a bit annoying, especially with them auto-playing. The search for photos being buried. Not a fan.

P.S. I'm a User Experience Designer.

I concur, just awful! Being user friendly on the desktop version which most of us use is just not here! :cry:

qf789 · Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:56 pm

StrandedAtMKG wrote:
bradmovie wrote:
It is much more difficult to tell how long ago topics were updated -- the timestamp is there, but no longer is there a countdown of how long it has been since last response.

...which is a useless feature. Your comment says it was posted today at 21:48. It's currently 19:34, so unless you somehow posted your comment two hours in the future it's of no use whatsoever.

Time displayed is UTC

L-188 · Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:56 pm

From what I have seen so far, I am not impressed.

It seems these changes where more about Demand Media trying to increase advertising revenue rather than improving the site.

It requires more clicks to navigate, I agree the pages are harder to read and some of the features that made navigating the older site easier no longer exist.

Like many of the changes that DM has made, I have to call this one a miss also.

An767 · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:02 am

Will take a bit of getting used to. And why so many adds? As a first class member on the old site they did not appear. But on the new version way to many

nitepilot79 · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:06 am

I feel like I'll get a headache after a little while of looking at, not to mention reading, the forum. The previous blue was so much better... I can't tell where starred topics are. I like being able to see all the topics on one page. The emoticon selection has gone completely generic. If there are any good changes to the forum, I haven't found 'em yet...
I feel completely disoriented when trying to get around this site. I'm sure I'll get used to the changes, but not the ones in the forum. Please change the color. Heck, I'd like the forum 100% back to the way it was before...

Ytraveller · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:08 am

JohnKrist, will the changes people have mentioned be implemented soon? Color scheme, spacing, and search function not working (still!) are the biggest issues. Please can you tell us that the developers will address these changes soon?

Revelation · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:10 am

b747400erf wrote:
This new design is not friendly to desktop users. I liked barely having to scroll down when looking at the front page, pictures, and the forum list. Now everything is huge and the front page is, if I were to print it out, dozens of pages long.

Wow, people still print out web sites? My mind is blown!

BiggerJetsPlz · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:16 am

Does this mean we can do away with the multi-part "Plane-X Production Thread Part 57" thing and just keep using the same thread?

Although I don't know if that's better when you're getting up to 20,000 pages in the same thread...

MaxxFlyer · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:18 am

So not like at least for now. Makes browsing the photo library very difficult.

mariner · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:19 am

mighluss wrote:
mariner wrote:
mighluss wrote:
Click the skull... select "settings" ... upload a photo.

.

Photo has to be:

Minimum 100 x 100px.
Maximum 500 x 500px and 1M file size.
JPEG only.

Then go right down & click "save"

Thanks again, but I think we're at cross purposes. I don't want to replace the wretched death skull with a photo, I'd be quite happy with the blank face that other people seem to have. But I can't work out how to do it.

VapourTrails · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:23 am

mariner wrote:
mighluss wrote:
Click the skull... select "settings" ... upload a photo.

Thanks, but I tried that and I couldn't work how to change that awful skull - and I couldn't figure out a way to upload photo in place of the skull.

Hi, I don't know where my reply went.

Click on the three horizontal bars at the top right hand corner of the page. A menu will appear on the left hand side of the screen. Click Account and Settings. Only thing is the photo sizes are limited.

You may have to log out and log back in again to get it to work.

=

sproosemoose · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:25 am

N766UA wrote:
Yeah, I thought about it... I'll never like this design. I joined in 1999 and I think I'm calling it quits here. This forum is good for news, but in general it's a bit of an industry joke. Very few experts, weird fanboy culture, and lots of silly PC nonsense...that kind of thing. This new re-design takes the only thing this forum had going for it, simple, easily-readable elegance, and trashes it in favor of a generic, advertisement-strewn wasteland. One that is very hard to read.

It's been real.

It's another fine example of fixing what isn't broken. Anet is now officially FUBAR

TheFlyingDisk · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:26 am

The new site works best on my iPad where I spend most of my time browsing the web. It's much better than the old website's non-responsive mobile version - no more zooming & scrolling right to read all the posts, and certainly it's much more easy to post & quote other people.

LatAmFlyer · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:32 am

cubastar wrote:
Sorry, this just does not do it for me. Maybe I'm just too old. "Our" old site, while it had some drawbacks, probably could have been cleaned up with a little more discipline with both the users and the Monitors.

I truly do not care for the new setup. I truly do miss the old layout.
cubastar

I agree completely. The new site looks just like all the other cookie cutters out there. Blah, more difficult to navigate and frustrating, even with the new instructions. Maybe you could use a different template -- or make the new one easier to deal with?

SpaceshipDC10 · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:33 am

OA260 wrote:
Such a drastic change will take some getting used to

I agree with that.

solarflyer22 · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:34 am

This is definitely more modern cleaner but a little happy. How can I rant now on a site so nice!

mariner · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:35 am

VapourTrails wrote:
Hi, I don't know where my reply went.

Click on the three horizontal bars at the top right hand corner of the page. A menu will appear on the left hand side of the screen. Click Account and Settings. Only thing is the photo sizes are limited.

=

Thanks again, but there are no three horizontal bars anywhere. Three is a sign saying "change avatar" under the death skull and there is a green box saying "control panel," but nowhere does it say how to change the avatar. I don't even want an avatar and I certainly don't want a death skull.

I've emailed the support desk. They put it there - they can take it out.

keitherson · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:37 am

I miss the darker scheme. This feels too bright on the eyes.

Jet-lagged · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:38 am

Pros and cons of the old and the new. This is definitely better than the old on a mobile phone, but I like the old color palette and density of topic summaries.

I do feel that the top banner should read not simply Airliners but Airliners.net. That's the name, the brand, the old friend.

In any case thanks much to the A.net crew for keeping us going all these years and moving us boldly into the future today!

a320fan · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:39 am

Lots of issues with this 'improvement'. My main ones being it is now a lot slower to read and post, So much empty space and so many pages to see the topics I could have seen at a glance. I don't have time to go pursuing through multiple pages to find a few interesting topics. This will undoubtedly lead to topics dying out a lot faster as most people wont bother loading a whole new page just to see a handful of more topics which is a disastrous outcome.

My other main issue is this is barely readable. The font is so small, and the colour choice was obviously made by someone who hates eyes. There is barely any contrast. I am young with good eyes, yet It still hurts to read.

The site now has 0 personality, and that's sad.

Additionally, my laptop is cheap and quite low powered, the changes have made this site incredibly laggy on it.

LatAmFlyer · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:50 am

Where are the flags next to the posters? What's with the dramatically dimished number of emoticons? Why am I reading text in grey over a white background? Why is there no margining? I see that you posted instructions on how to navigate the new site, but shouldn't it be self-evident?

Revert.

petera380 · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:50 am

I much prefer the old site. Also, I'm logged in so why am I still seeing adverts????

Ytraveller · Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:55 am

petera380 wrote:
I much prefer the old site. Also, I'm logged in so why am I still seeing adverts????

See the first post here: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1335263&start=100

legacyins · Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:03 am

The only negative is the colors. Not very nice on the eyes. Glad they got rid of the Flags/RR. Too many people thought they were special with the RR rating. I like the photo search engine.

Like everything new, just will take a little time.

papatango · Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:09 am

Not a fan of new site background color makes it hard to see content bring back old format!!!!!!!!

jacobin777 · Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:13 am

I'm going to agree with many here. The new site is VERY difficult to navigate through.

While there are some improvements, overall I'm REALLY not liking this - almost to the point where I will no longer visit this site.

lazybones · Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:16 am

Just logged on and said out loud "what the f*** is that!". I thought I had the wrong website for a minute. The Forums are definitely better, but the landing page has lost its original aviation charm. Just looks like every other site now, you might as well be selling fridges on here. :mrgreen:

smittythepirate · Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:17 am

This is similar to other forums that are out so it isn't too difficult for me. Only problem I have is this Euro white livery...

SYDSpotter · Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:26 am

Anyone else finding the site laggy? Or is it just my lousy laptop/connection

EA CO AS · Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:27 am

Ugh, this is terrible. Bring back the old site, please!

blink182 · Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:28 am

Been a user since 1999 as well; at the very least, bring back the blue background and old layout of the forums.

I'd love to know what Johan thinks if he's still around these days.

casinterest · Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:28 am

New Airliners.net = New Coke

It's definitely new, but it sucks compared to the old site.

WROORD · Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:36 am

What a shocker. I usually adapt to change, but this one is going to be a pain. :oops:

IADCA · Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:40 am

There are a lot of issues, some of which I could adjust to. The fact that I can now view users' real names without their consent is an extremely serious issue and a serious breach of trust of people who used to post sensitive information from inside airlines (FYI, I'm not one of them, but I now know the real names of several). Frankly, that's just awful and gives the whole project an F.

Aither · Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:42 am

Before in one page we could see 100 topic titles : it was very efficient to quickly look at what's new in the aviation world. Now we have to scroll and scroll and change pages... it's not efficient. It's much less attractive. It's nice to have some new editing functionalities but don't forget core elements of a forum like the readibility.

Aither · Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:45 am

a320fan wrote:
Lots of issues with this 'improvement'. My main ones being it is now a lot slower to read and post, So much empty space and so many pages to see the topics I could have seen at a glance. I don't have time to go pursuing through multiple pages to find a few interesting topics. This will undoubtedly lead to topics dying out a lot faster as most people wont bother loading a whole new page just to see a handful of more topics which is a disastrous outcome.

My other main issue is this is barely readable. The font is so small, and the colour choice was obviously made by someone who hates eyes. There is barely any contrast. I am young with good eyes, yet It still hurts to read.

The site now has 0 personality, and that's sad.

Additionally, my laptop is cheap and quite low powered, the changes have made this site incredibly laggy on it.

Totally agree with that comment.

Max Q · Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:46 am

Wow, do not care for it at all, went from being very user friendly, clear and well laid out to this ?

What was the point ?

DC1979 · Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:49 am

I'm not a fan of the new site. I can appreciate making it easier to view on a mobile device, however, I actually preferred the old site with my mobile device. I was able to see significantly more topics on one page, and I don't see the option to open a topic and skip to the first unread message like I was able to before. I also find it annoying to have so few replies per page so I now need to scroll through more pages than before. But honestly, the worst part is the color scheme. It is so bland and generic and all the white gives me a headache. I suppose in this era of updating liveries to generic Eurowhite, airliners.net (excuse me, just Airliners now) is following the trend and just threw white paint all over itself. I will continue to use the site for the next few days, but unfortunately unless some changes are made, I think I will more than likely just move on from this site. All the charm is gone.

VS11 · Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:50 am

Can we change the colors? I tried in settings but didn't see anything. I agree that it needs contrast. I guess we are all used to the old format using it for decades but the new site is faster!

WesternDC6B · Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:52 am

Blindingly bright white background for the oh-so-very-trendy grey print, and in a font that is both tiny and not all that easy to read. I'm sure it looks whiz-bang to the form over function crowd, but it is hard to read.

Tons of white-space, not needed.

My. How cutting-edge. Just like countless other sites trying so hard to be trendy, and just end up being harder to navigate.

Also, where is the button that lets me isolate the topics I have flagged?

There is nothing wrong with change if the changes are improvements. All you have done is taken a good, basic, fast-loading, easy-to-read and easy-to-navigate site, and made it a jumble.

Oh, and, are the two letter airline and three letter airport codes updated?

VapourTrails · Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:55 am

IADCA wrote:
There are a lot of issues, some of which I could adjust to. The fact that I can now view users' real names without their consent is an extremely serious issue and a serious breach of trust of people who used to post sensitive information from inside airlines (FYI, I'm not one of them, but I now know the real names of several). Frankly, that's just awful and gives the whole project an F.

Yes, I agree, a serious breach of privacy. I for one am grateful that I am on here within the first few hours to check out what has been done with the data, or what may have been overlooked and slipped through the cracks so to speak.

I also don't like the emoticons on this site by the way. They were very good on the old one, I don't think I will be using them here.

**Am I right in saying that if you Submit without Preview first, then the post does not go up?

PS. I agree the comment about flags and RR. IMHO.

Chaostheory · Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:56 am

Just some general observations, many of which echo what others have already written. I'm using a desktop so my experience could be different from those using other devices

Firstly, there is far too much white and grey. I've tried all the display settings and light contrasts for my screen and I still find it difficult to read.

No issues with ads but then I'm using adblock plus on google chrome browser which I assume has taken care of them.

The forum search function is unsurprisingly useless.

I'm not sure what the strange triangle widget sort of thing on the browser tab is supposed to be. At first glance, I thought I was it an Arabic language site tab.

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