Pyrex wrote:Dutchy wrote:
More like no representation... End up in Parliament only because some corrupt political party put you on their list, with no accountability whatsoever to voters.
apodino wrote:There has been a lot of talk about having congressional and gubernatorial elections go to a rank choice ballot. In a system you would rank your candidates based on preference. The way the system works is if no one gets 50 percent of the ballot based on the first choice, weaker candidates are dropped, and then the second choices are counted. So for example say there was a Democrat, a Republican, a Libertarian, a Green, and a Reform party candidate on the ballot. Based on first choices, the Democrat got 40 percent of the vote, the Republican 35, the libertarian 15, the green and reform 5 each. Under this system, the green and the reform party candidates are dropped. On those ballots that had green and reform as the first choice you now look at the second choice. So after that is taken into account, the Democrat goes to 45, the Republican 37, the libertarian 18. Now you drop the libertarian candidate and look at their second or third choices. Lets say the Republican now goes to 51 percent and the Democrat 49 percent. Under this example, the republican would win.
Maine already uses this system. In one of their congressional races, (I believe it was for the 2nd District) the republican got more votes on the first ballot than the Democrat, but under the rules of the rank system, the Democrat was eventually declared the winner of the race.
There are pros and cons to this system. For one it would allow you to actually vote for your preferred candidate while keeping other candidates on that you would prefer to other candidates. This could make it a little easier for third parties to win an election here or there. But the Con is you have a situation like Maine where the guy who won the election had fewer votes. But then again, the electoral college did the same thing with the last election as well.
apodino wrote:That's not a con. That's a plus. The Republican got the most votes but not an majority. It means a majority did not pick him as their ideal candidate in the first round. So if you progressively eliminate the bottom candidates and see where those votes are transferred to, you eventually discover who the majority of people wanted as their representative. It's the reason when you plan to have dinner with friends you vote for a plan A and a plan B so that if plan A doesn't get a majority, plan B might.But the Con is you have a situation like Maine where the guy who won the election had fewer votes. But then again, the electoral college did the same thing with the last election as well.
apodino wrote:Let's not forget that if Trump had failed to achieve a majority in the electoral college (less than 270 but still more than Clinton), the race would have been turned to the House. The makeup of the House at the time would have favored Trump regardless, but picture states like CO and VA whose delegations were majority Republican but who gave their EC votes to Clinton. I have no doubt that both states' House delegation would have given their one vote to Trump.But then again, the electoral college did the same thing with the last election as well.
ltbewr wrote:Some states for state an local office have 'run-off' elections to deal where a candidate gets less than 50%.
Pyrex wrote:More like no representation... End up in Parliament only because some corrupt political party put you on their list, with no accountability whatsoever to voters.
VSMUT wrote:Dutchy wrote:
Make each vote count. Simplest and most fair system.Pyrex wrote:More like no representation... End up in Parliament only because some corrupt political party put you on their list, with no accountability whatsoever to voters.
Proportional representation doesn't necessarily prevent you from voting for individual candidates. That's just a question of how you set up your system. Denmark allows you to vote for either a political party as a whole or an individual candidate (who can be both independent or a member of a party).
DL717 wrote:For Presidential elections, I think the electoral college should be modified, but not to the extent some propose. First, each State needs a bipartisan panel to draw the districts. Each State already gets one elector for each member of the House and one for each Senate seat. If your house district goes to a given candidate, then that presidential candidate gets that elector. If someone wins the popular vote in that State by 50%+1, then they get both Senatorial electors in their state. If no one gets 50%+1 of the popular vote, the two senatorial electors are split between the top two vote getters. For example, a state has 30 reps in the house and 2 senators for a total of 32 electors. Electors are assigned by popular vote in each district. Top vote getter gets that elector. For example...30 districts get split 15 to 15, but one candidate gets more than 50% of the popular vote in that State. That candidate gets 2 additional electors, so the electors are split 17-15. They split 15-15 and neither wins the popular, they go 16-16. This also changes the election strategy and if you get a third party candidate that doesn’t get enough votes to win a state, they can still capture electors by winning in a district, changing the math to get to the White House. This method gives more credence to the popular vote concept while also protecting the concept of an election by the States. It also makes the candidates work for it. Election goes to the candidate that gets the most electors vs. a set number which is currently 270. With this format, someone can win with say 250 electors.
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