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Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:31 pm

Previous thread can be count here

I let that very famous sentence in french as you can easily google it if you want to have some background fo that sentence (maybe apocryphal) from Comtesse Jeanne Du Barry, who had also an interesting life before meeting the guillotine :)

With May going to berlin and Paris to try to get a new delay,that sentence was an obvious title for that part. :twisted:
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:55 pm

Oh, and for the record as I see that is the hot topic nowadays, a custom union IS NOT and was never a frictionless trade.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:21 pm

I'll check back on this thread when there has been some sort of real breakthrough, and the British have finally agreed with themselves of what their place in the world is. See you in Brexit part 137... :p
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:35 pm

About two weeks ago I said here that the EU would be implacable if the UK sabotaged the Good Friday Agreement by precipitously causing a border. Here is a quote from the BBC today:

'No easy task'
On Monday, Mr Barnier also held meetings with the Tánaiste (Irish Deputy Prime Minister) Simon Coveney and other Irish government ministers.
He said the EU's goal was to protect the Good Friday peace agreement, peace on the island of Ireland and the integrity of the EU single market.
"It is not an easy task," he added. He said even if the UK left the EU without a deal, the EU would "stand fully behind Ireland".
He repeated his assertion that in a no-deal outcome, the EU would not discuss anything further with the UK until the Irish border issue, citizens' rights and a financial settlement had been agreed.


UK can leave, but the EU will protect its sovereignty and that of the Irish people. If England wants a trade deal honor the GFA.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:33 pm

Since neither the EU nor the UK have a reasonable solution to the divorce maybe it is time to delay all efforts for another two years. Or 3 or 4. Right now it looks as both sides are going to have losses if the divorce is executed in the near future, And, with any luck, some of the weird politicians in this world (like Trump) will be gone and rational people will settle things down.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:39 pm

Ken777 wrote:
Since neither the EU nor the UK have a reasonable solution to the divorce maybe it is time to delay all efforts for another two years. Or 3 or 4. Right now it looks as both sides are going to have losses if the divorce is executed in the near future, And, with any luck, some of the weird politicians in this world (like Trump) will be gone and rational people will settle things down.


Well no. We voted leave.

We promised in the two main parties manifestos that we would leave.

Therefore we have to leave.

It is not our fault pro EU MP’s are causing obstacles.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:12 pm

noviorbis77 wrote:
Ken777 wrote:
Since neither the EU nor the UK have a reasonable solution to the divorce maybe it is time to delay all efforts for another two years. Or 3 or 4. Right now it looks as both sides are going to have losses if the divorce is executed in the near future, And, with any luck, some of the weird politicians in this world (like Trump) will be gone and rational people will settle things down.


Well no. We voted leave.

We promised in the two main parties manifestos that we would leave.

Therefore we have to leave.

It is not our fault pro EU MP’s are causing obstacles.


Ah, the old Leave means Leave mantra, does the Brexitremist come up with something substantial for ones? Democracy also means you are allowed to change your mind.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:17 pm

Olddog wrote:
Previous thread can be count here

I let that very famous sentence in french as you can easily google it if you want to have some background fo that sentence (maybe apocryphal) from Comtesse Jeanne Du Barry, who had also an interesting life before meeting the guillotine :)

With May going to berlin and Paris to try to get a new delay,that sentence was an obvious title for that part. :twisted:


Nice tittle, but still, she didn't commited suicide, so not totally 1 on 1 for this situation, or better whom is monsieur le bourrea in this case? It can't be the EU. 8-)
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:21 pm

And now,, to make things much easier: 'Britain’s House of Lords approved legislation on Monday that will give parliament the power to scrutinize and even change Prime Minister Theresa May’s request that the European Union agree to delay Brexit until June 30.'

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brit ... SKCN1RK1U1

Oh well, plenty of time to still mock around until the EU meeting on Wednesday and a no-deal on Friday :D
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:28 pm

A3801000 wrote:
And now,, to make things much easier: 'Britain’s House of Lords approved legislation on Monday that will give parliament the power to scrutinize and even change Prime Minister Theresa May’s request that the European Union agree to delay Brexit until June 30.'

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brit ... SKCN1RK1U1

Oh well, plenty of time to still mock around until the EU meeting on Wednesday and a no-deal on Friday :D


Four days till Brexit, or according to some, 10 days after Brexit, or two months before Brexit or Brexit after hell freezes over or ......

nobody knows........

Still amazes me that such a profound occurence and nobody knows what is going to happen. Crazy. But luckely, the blue passports without the EU logo's are printed by the French, so all is well.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:36 pm

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But luckely, the blue passports without the EU logo's are printed by the French, so all is well.


Nope :D

Image

Not even blue passports for the time being
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:40 pm

Dutchy wrote:
noviorbis77 wrote:
Ken777 wrote:
Since neither the EU nor the UK have a reasonable solution to the divorce maybe it is time to delay all efforts for another two years. Or 3 or 4. Right now it looks as both sides are going to have losses if the divorce is executed in the near future, And, with any luck, some of the weird politicians in this world (like Trump) will be gone and rational people will settle things down.


Well no. We voted leave.

We promised in the two main parties manifestos that we would leave.

Therefore we have to leave.

It is not our fault pro EU MP’s are causing obstacles.


Ah, the old Leave means Leave mantra, does the Brexitremist come up with something substantial for ones? Democracy also means you are allowed to change your mind.


Brexitremist??

How clever. Did you learn that one all by yourself, or did you learn about it in a Tabloid?
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:56 pm

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Well no. We voted leave.

We promised in the two main parties manifestos that we would leave.

Therefore we have to leave.

It is not our fault pro EU MP’s are causing obstacles.


I agree with the very substance of what you are saying, but parliament also wants to block that option and which gives the UK a very hard negotiation hand in the future for a FTA as the EU will continue on that line. I don’t fear trading with the EU on WTO rules indefinitely everyone knows where they stand.

I think the only resolution to a no deal exit and if TM is granted her wish of a long extension to A50 and to honour the referendum result is give NI with three options,

1) remain in the UK and accept no deal terms will posssbily make up terms with the EU
2) renufication of Ireland and remain in the EU
3) becoming a independent nation and asking to become a member of the EU

If the long extension is not granted for a binding NI referendum and parliament passes law we cannot leave without a deal and the only option is is either TM deal or revoke A50, revoking A50 is the only sensible thing to do as it takes everything off the table and can be revisited in the future with a better knowledge of the process as inevitably the EU will push an agenda that will go against the UK will like a deeper intergrated political union which should trigger a debate and another referendum
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:12 pm

The EU is willing to make special arrangements for a North Ireland which remains in the EU customs union (but not the single market), and remains part of the UK. Actually some other UK places also have special arrangements with the EU. At that point England can proceed with Brexit with the good will of all parties involved except the DUP.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:18 pm

frmrCapCadet wrote:
The EU is willing to make special arrangements for a North Ireland which remains in the EU customs union (but not the single market), and remains part of the UK. Actually some other UK places also have special arrangements with the EU. At that point England can proceed with Brexit with the good will of all parties involved except the DUP.


overseas territory do not mean they come under UK law,
https://theconversation.com/why-british ... ries-57748

As a matter of fact the states of Australia(not the Commonwealth of Australia) could only pass legislation thru the UK parliament as late as 1986

There are a number of problems arising from that position and primarily would place NI in a different regulatory market compared to the rest of the UK, and as Nicola Sturgeon pointed out" it would place not only Scotland but the greater UK at a disadvantage when it come to investment and job creation within the EU"
But the biggest threat is opening the potential for Northern Ireland to diverge over time from the rest of the UK, while having no democratic say in the EU rules to which it would be bound as it is still bond by sovereignty being a third nation status of being the territory of the UK.

How could this work when still being bound by UK regulatorily laws as NI is still sovereign territory of the UK which then the EU will have no jurisdiction over as it is no longer part of the EU/CU/SM, it cant work period.

Either NI is part of the regulatorily laws of the UK or it isn't which ultimately means that NI has to decide if it wants to remain part of the UK or not by either reunification with ROI or become independent full stop end of story
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:48 pm

as compare to the difficulty of a hard border?
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:28 am

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as compare to the difficulty of a hard border?



From a regulatorily stand point yes it is easier, from a GFA stand point there are obstacles but those to can be overcome with time.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:32 am

SHOCK BREXIT POLL: 'DO IT!' Express.co.uk readers DEMAND no deal Brexit - will MPs listen?
EXPRESS.CO.UK readers have called for a no-deal Brexit over a second vote or general election, an exclusive poll of almost 50,000 people has revealed.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... atest-news


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11115 ... cast-video

“So even though the EU says there is no way it can be unpicked, no way is it is changing, it’s closed, he is worried that the UK might find ways to start tweaking it a bit.”

“He added that the UK could use this fear as leverage, granting Mr Barnier the ultimatum that if the EU doesn’t reopen the withdrawal agreement the UK would try and block the EU budget”
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:41 am

The UK can only black anything if it revokes.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:23 am

To dutchy: Monsieur le bourreau is nobody special. That sentence is understood in France as someone trying to avoid desperately something ineluctable. :)
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:43 am

A101 wrote:
SHOCK BREXIT POLL: 'DO IT!' Express.co.uk readers DEMAND no deal Brexit - will MPs listen?
EXPRESS.CO.UK readers have called for a no-deal Brexit over a second vote or general election, an exclusive poll of almost 50,000 people has revealed.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... atest-news


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11115 ... cast-video

“So even though the EU says there is no way it can be unpicked, no way is it is changing, it’s closed, he is worried that the UK might find ways to start tweaking it a bit.”

“He added that the UK could use this fear as leverage, granting Mr Barnier the ultimatum that if the EU doesn’t reopen the withdrawal agreement the UK would try and block the EU budget”


this has more marrit than the 1million on the streets of London or the 6million whom signed the petition?
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:48 am

A101 wrote:
which gives the UK a very hard negotiation hand in the future for a FTA as the EU will continue on that line.


Why? Why would it give it the UK the upper hand?

A101 wrote:
I don’t fear trading with the EU on WTO rules indefinitely everyone knows where they stand.


Yes, crystal clear, would be very damaging to everyone especially for the UK, but it is very clear.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:15 am

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Well no. I voted leave.


Here, I fixed that for you. Please don’t speak for me or any of the other half of the population that didn’t vote for this nonsense.

Just repeating the same phrases over and over again doesn’t make it any more compelling - it is and remains one of the dumbest voluntary decisions ever made by a country.

As to where we are going with this - who knows, I expect a lengthy delay before we have any more clarity. That probably involves taking part in the next EU election to get past June.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:20 am

A101 wrote:
SHOCK BREXIT POLL: 'DO IT!' Express.co.uk readers DEMAND no deal Brexit - will MPs listen?
EXPRESS.CO.UK readers have called for a no-deal Brexit over a second vote or general election, an exclusive poll of almost 50,000 people has revealed.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... atest-news


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11115 ... cast-video

“So even though the EU says there is no way it can be unpicked, no way is it is changing, it’s closed, he is worried that the UK might find ways to start tweaking it a bit.”

“He added that the UK could use this fear as leverage, granting Mr Barnier the ultimatum that if the EU doesn’t reopen the withdrawal agreement the UK would try and block the EU budget”


Daily express readers poll? Are you serious?
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:31 am

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this has more marrit than the 1million on the streets of London or the 6million whom signed the petition?



We are not the vocal minority, but the silent majority.

The silent majority quietly goes about there work to try and minimise disruptions across the nation
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:38 am

A101 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

this has more marrit than the 1million on the streets of London or the 6million whom signed the petition?



We are not the vocal minority, but the silent majority.

The silent majority quietly goes about there work to try and minimise disruptions across the nation


The silent majority, with virtually all the press screaming Brexit? With the heads of the two main political parties seeking Brexit.

Go back to the daily express with their MISPLACED capitalisation.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:41 am

A101 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

this has more marrit than the 1million on the streets of London or the 6million whom signed the petition?



We are not the vocal minority, but the silent majority.

The silent majority quietly goes about there work to try and minimise disruptions across the nation


It should be over on Friday and the hard Brexit should arrive.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:41 am

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Why? Why would it give it the UK the upper hand?


"but parliament also wants to block that option and which gives the UK a very hard negotiation hand in the future for a FTA as the EU will continue on that line"

The entire sentence above, agree its poorly worded on my part but was meant to say position in place of hand, that the EU would have the upper hand.

I was in a bit of a hurry when I wrote that
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:57 am

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The silent majority, with virtually all the press screaming Brexit? With the heads of the two main political parties seeking Brexit.

Go back to the daily express with their MISPLACED capitalisation.



you do realise that is the job of media is to sell newspaper either hard copy or online, and for your information I do not buy hard copies and do not have a preference, I actually google-fu latest Brexit news and read a cross section of media reports from not only the UK but across the globe.

just because something maybe referenced by a certain media outlet doesn't mean solely read it


I found this sometime ago which gives a reflection on the position of UK mainstream media

http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2016-05-23-uk- ... ns-brexit#
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:00 am

Express readers poll is like going into the security area in an asylum ad asking who thinks he is sane and should be out....
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:08 am

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The silent majority quietly goes about there work to try and minimise disruptions across the nation



This sentence has to be the most ironic and therefore iconic sentence ever written on behalve of Brexiteers.

Minimise disruptions :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: really? Brexit couldn't cause disruption even if it tried.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:18 am

Olddog wrote:
To dutchy: Monsieur le bourreau is nobody special. That sentence is understood in France as someone trying to avoid desperately something ineluctable. :)


Didn't know the expresion, so I looked it up. Of course I understand that it is nobody special, although it has a special beginning :lol:
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:24 am

A101 wrote:
SHOCK BREXIT POLL: 'DO IT!' Express.co.uk readers DEMAND no deal Brexit - will MPs listen?
EXPRESS.CO.UK readers have called for a no-deal Brexit over a second vote or general election, an exclusive poll of almost 50,000 people has revealed.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... atest-news


A poll of Daily Express readers wants a no-deal Brexit? In other news, a recent poll of Catholics showed most believe in God! :faint: :lol:

MPs might take more notice when a petition for a no-deal Brexit gets six million votes. Go for it.

Dutchy wrote:
this has more marrit than the 1million on the streets of London or the 6million whom signed the petition?


In the eyes of the Brextremists, yes.

BestWestern wrote:
Daily express readers poll? Are you serious?


I think he is. Do you have any idea how annoying it is to have to keep rearranging a Brexit party?

A101 wrote:
We are not the vocal minority, but the silent majority.

The silent majority quietly goes about there work to try and minimise disruptions across the nation


You're starting to believe your own propaganda now. :D

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Express readers poll is like going into the security area in an asylum ad asking who thinks he is sane and should be out....


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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:13 am

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noviorbis77 wrote:

Well no. I voted leave.


Here, I fixed that for you. Please don’t speak for me or any of the other half of the population that didn’t vote for this nonsense.

Just repeating the same phrases over and over again doesn’t make it any more compelling - it is and remains one of the dumbest voluntary decisions ever made by a country.

As to where we are going with this - who knows, I expect a lengthy delay before we have any more clarity. That probably involves taking part in the next EU election to get past June.


Ok. The majority voted leave in a vote with very high turn out.

You lost. You need to accept and respect the vote.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:18 am

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A poll of Daily Express readers wants a no-deal Brexit? In other news, a recent poll of Catholics showed most believe in God! :faint: :lol:


A poll is a poll no one is forced to vote a certain way, I'm sure you will find a poll of the opposite

scbriml wrote:
MPs might take more notice when a petition for a no-deal Brexit gets six million votes. Go for it.


And how far did that get you with the government :rotfl:

As I said the vocal minority :hissyfit:, silent majority :coffee: . Remember the referenda we actually don't have to petition as it is the default position in a majority remain parliament


scbriml wrote:

You're starting to believe your own propaganda now. :D


obviously you have not been reading 3/4 of the remain position on this site, some thing comes across as negative to your position and you lot start to hyperventilate, ill grab the paper bag to help with your breathing

Olddog wrote:
Express readers poll is like going into the security area in an asylum ad asking who thinks he is sane and should be out....


You get that feeling often
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:18 am

noviorbis77 wrote:
speedbird217 wrote:
noviorbis77 wrote:

Well no. I voted leave.


Here, I fixed that for you. Please don’t speak for me or any of the other half of the population that didn’t vote for this nonsense.

Just repeating the same phrases over and over again doesn’t make it any more compelling - it is and remains one of the dumbest voluntary decisions ever made by a country.

As to where we are going with this - who knows, I expect a lengthy delay before we have any more clarity. That probably involves taking part in the next EU election to get past June.


Ok. The majority voted leave in a vote with very high turn out.

You lost. You need to accept and respect the vote.


Let's go in that circle again, what kind of leave did they voted for and aren't people allowed to change their minds? Or do you prefer the leave means leave mantra?
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:35 am

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As to where we are going with this - who knows, I expect a lengthy delay before we have any more clarity. That probably involves taking part in the next EU election to get past June.



I dunno it seems 50-50 to me pro's and con's for both sides, latest betting on the outcome


https://betting.betfair.com/politics/br ... 9-171.html

https://www.betfair.com.au/exchange/plu ... .130856098
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:35 am

Dutchy wrote:
noviorbis77 wrote:
speedbird217 wrote:

Here, I fixed that for you. Please don’t speak for me or any of the other half of the population that didn’t vote for this nonsense.

Just repeating the same phrases over and over again doesn’t make it any more compelling - it is and remains one of the dumbest voluntary decisions ever made by a country.

As to where we are going with this - who knows, I expect a lengthy delay before we have any more clarity. That probably involves taking part in the next EU election to get past June.


Ok. The majority voted leave in a vote with very high turn out.

You lost. You need to accept and respect the vote.


Let's go in that circle again, what kind of leave did they voted for and aren't people allowed to change their minds? Or do you prefer the leave means leave mantra?


People were told at time of the vote, it was a once in a lifetime vote and the government would honour the vote. A General Election later with both main parties promising to deliver Brexit overwhelmingly gained the most votes.

People knew what was at stake if we voted leave. We had TV debates, government leaflets, the works.

Remainers need to stop using the same tired old arguments that patronise leave voters. Remain lost. Deal with it.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:03 am

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Let's go in that circle again, what kind of leave did they voted for



In the Referendum Campaign HM Government spent £9.3 million sending a booklet to every voter entitled “Why the Government believes that voting to remain in the European Union is in the best decision for the UK.” The booklet could not have been clearer: it stated the Government’s position of asking the electorate to vote to remain in the EU, but whichever their decision, Remain or Leave, it would be honoured. The booklet stated: “This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.”

There were no ifs, buts, qualifications, or conditions. The voters’ decision was not subject to, or dependent on, any subsequent ‘negotiations’ or ‘deals’ with the EU. It was a clear instruction to the Government and Houses of Parliament to take the UK out of the EU.


David Cameron's Commons statement on the result of the EU referendum: 27 June 2016
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... -june-2016

Mr Speaker, the British people have voted to leave the European Union. It was not the result I wanted – nor the outcome that I believed is best for the country I love. But there can be no doubt about the result.

Of course, I don’t take back what I said about the risks. It is going to be difficult. We have already seen that there are going to be adjustments within our economy, complex constitutional issues, and a challenging new negotiation to undertake with Europe. But I am clear – and the Cabinet agreed this morning – that the decision must be accepted and the process of implementing the decision in the best possible way must now begin.

 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:23 am

noviorbis77 wrote:

Leavers need to stop using the same tired old arguments that patronise remain voters.


See where I'm going with this?

It's pointless to argue this over and over again so I'll just leave it at that.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:38 am

noviorbis77 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
noviorbis77 wrote:

Ok. The majority voted leave in a vote with very high turn out.

You lost. You need to accept and respect the vote.


Let's go in that circle again, what kind of leave did they voted for and aren't people allowed to change their minds? Or do you prefer the leave means leave mantra?


People were told at time of the vote, it was a once in a lifetime vote and the government would honour the vote. A General Election later with both main parties promising to deliver Brexit overwhelmingly gained the most votes.

People knew what was at stake if we voted leave. We had TV debates, government leaflets, the works.

Remainers need to stop using the same tired old arguments that patronise leave voters. Remain lost. Deal with it.


Could you point out where it states what kind of Brexit it was? Norwegian Model till a Hard Brexit, quite a range....

So stop using this old tiresom argument and don't patronise leave votes by saying that all leave voters think alike.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:38 am

A101 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

Let's go in that circle again, what kind of leave did they voted for



In the Referendum Campaign HM Government spent £9.3 million sending a booklet to every voter entitled “Why the Government believes that voting to remain in the European Union is in the best decision for the UK.” The booklet could not have been clearer: it stated the Government’s position of asking the electorate to vote to remain in the EU, but whichever their decision, Remain or Leave, it would be honoured. The booklet stated: “This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.”

There were no ifs, buts, qualifications, or conditions. The voters’ decision was not subject to, or dependent on, any subsequent ‘negotiations’ or ‘deals’ with the EU. It was a clear instruction to the Government and Houses of Parliament to take the UK out of the EU.


David Cameron's Commons statement on the result of the EU referendum: 27 June 2016
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... -june-2016

Mr Speaker, the British people have voted to leave the European Union. It was not the result I wanted – nor the outcome that I believed is best for the country I love. But there can be no doubt about the result.

Of course, I don’t take back what I said about the risks. It is going to be difficult. We have already seen that there are going to be adjustments within our economy, complex constitutional issues, and a challenging new negotiation to undertake with Europe. But I am clear – and the Cabinet agreed this morning – that the decision must be accepted and the process of implementing the decision in the best possible way must now begin.



Could you point out where it states what kind of Brexit it was? Norwegian Model till a Hard Brexit, quite a range....

So stop using this old tiresom argument and don't patronise leave votes by saying that all leave voters think alike.
Many happy landings, greetings from The Netherlands!
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:10 am

Dutchy wrote:
A101 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

Let's go in that circle again, what kind of leave did they voted for



In the Referendum Campaign HM Government spent £9.3 million sending a booklet to every voter entitled “Why the Government believes that voting to remain in the European Union is in the best decision for the UK.” The booklet could not have been clearer: it stated the Government’s position of asking the electorate to vote to remain in the EU, but whichever their decision, Remain or Leave, it would be honoured. The booklet stated: “This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.”

There were no ifs, buts, qualifications, or conditions. The voters’ decision was not subject to, or dependent on, any subsequent ‘negotiations’ or ‘deals’ with the EU. It was a clear instruction to the Government and Houses of Parliament to take the UK out of the EU.


David Cameron's Commons statement on the result of the EU referendum: 27 June 2016
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... -june-2016

Mr Speaker, the British people have voted to leave the European Union. It was not the result I wanted – nor the outcome that I believed is best for the country I love. But there can be no doubt about the result.

Of course, I don’t take back what I said about the risks. It is going to be difficult. We have already seen that there are going to be adjustments within our economy, complex constitutional issues, and a challenging new negotiation to undertake with Europe. But I am clear – and the Cabinet agreed this morning – that the decision must be accepted and the process of implementing the decision in the best possible way must now begin.



Could you point out where it states what kind of Brexit it was? Norwegian Model till a Hard Brexit, quite a range....

So stop using this old tiresom argument and don't patronise leave votes by saying that all leave voters think alike.


Yawn.

Is that all you have got?

The leaflets and propaganda from the remain side were quite clear from 2016. It was clear that leaving meant leaving customs union, the end of free movement and the end of the common market.

You don’t live in the UK do you. Therefore how on earth can you question what leave voters want.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:20 am

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Yawn.

Is that all you have got?

The leaflets and propaganda from the remain side were quite clear from 2016. It was clear that leaving meant leaving customs union, the end of free movement and the end of the common market.

You don’t live in the UK do you. Therefore how on earth can you question what leave voters want.


I understand that you find it hard to deal with it. Remain lost, so we need to look at what the leave side means. Leave has never been defined, so nobody knows what the leave voters want.

And you have lost the argument if you do an ad hominem. What does it matter where I live? I don't question what leave voters wanted, I question that you claim to know why 17,4million people voted leave and what they actually wanted and what they actually knew at the moment of voting. So I question your argument.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:21 am

Dutchy is the perfect example of why people in the UK want out of the EU. Nobody likes people from other countries to tell you what is good for you. But this will be over for the UK on Friday.

And at the moment a hard Brexit is the best solution. No deal with the UK would bring stability that goes further than the next UK election. And even if the UK would revoke, who wants a 40% forced to be here member in the EU. The damage in the long term would be worse than a hard Brexit.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:24 am

So, the UK car approaches the cliff of a hard Brexit again, like Thema and Louise, some hoping for a sudden attack of sanity, the brakes work or a sudden turn of the steering wheel of some kind of extension from the EU will save them from going over the edge taking innocents to their death screaming.

Waking up on Hard Brexit Day, will be a horrible thing for the UK, Ireland, Northern Ireland, and yes, the EU. On the day it hits, will millions of non-UK EU country citizens be frog marched to planes, ships or buses to send them back home ? Will the people celebrate like Guy Falks Day and burn EU flags and effigies of EU, anti-Brexit UK officials, 'immigrants' in huge bonfires? Will the people of NI and ROI just say to the UK government sod off, we won't have a hard border? What happens in Scotland when oil well equipment from the EU gets stuck on trains, trucks and ships, so production and revenues dip ? Will they seek to break from the UK for their survival ? What if there are shortages of food and medicine, spoiling and rotting at custom checkpoints or will there be no enforcement ? Will people who lose their jobs seek violence, like France with its 'yellow jackets' ? What will happen to tourism in the short term, especially from the EU, as the problems of Brexit come into reality and scare them off? The car industry will be totally destroyed, jobs gone not only in the UK, but in the EU and for Jaguar-Land Rover and BMW's Mini, also a few 1000 jobs in limbo in the USA as no vehicles will be available for sale. and production halts.

Please, I ask as an American and caring of the people of your country I have visited a number of times, to rescind Article 50 and end this drive on the road to perdition for the good of your country and the world.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:38 am

seahawk wrote:
Dutchy is the perfect example of why people in the UK want out of the EU. Nobody likes people from other countries to tell you what is good for you. But this will be over for the UK on Friday.

And at the moment a hard Brexit is the best solution. No deal with the UK would bring stability that goes further than the next UK election. And even if the UK would revoke, who wants a 40% forced to be here member in the EU. The damage in the long term would be worse than a hard Brexit.


Exactly this.

People just cannot bear people to think differently and use excuse after excuse to try and force things to go their way.

Remain supporting MP’s have caused this mess. They should have acted on a united front to deliver Brexit.

Any remain Conservative or Labour MP’s should have stepped down at the last election. How can any of them worked for a manifesto they do not accept.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:40 am

ltbewr wrote:
So, the UK car approaches the cliff of a hard Brexit again, like Thema and Louise, some hoping for a sudden attack of sanity, the brakes work or a sudden turn of the steering wheel of some kind of extension from the EU will save them from going over the edge taking innocents to their death screaming.

Waking up on Hard Brexit Day, will be a horrible thing for the UK, Ireland, Northern Ireland, and yes, the EU. On the day it hits, will millions of non-UK EU country citizens be frog marched to planes, ships or buses to send them back home ? Will the people celebrate like Guy Falks Day and burn EU flags and effigies of EU, anti-Brexit UK officials, 'immigrants' in huge bonfires? Will the people of NI and ROI just say to the UK government sod off, we won't have a hard border? What happens in Scotland when oil well equipment from the EU gets stuck on trains, trucks and ships, so production and revenues dip ? Will they seek to break from the UK for their survival ? What if there are shortages of food and medicine, spoiling and rotting at custom checkpoints or will there be no enforcement ? Will people who lose their jobs seek violence, like France with its 'yellow jackets' ? What will happen to tourism in the short term, especially from the EU, as the problems of Brexit come into reality and scare them off? The car industry will be totally destroyed, jobs gone not only in the UK, but in the EU and for Jaguar-Land Rover and BMW's Mini, also a few 1000 jobs in limbo in the USA as no vehicles will be available for sale. and production halts.

Please, I ask as an American and caring of the people of your country I have visited a number of times, to rescind Article 50 and end this drive on the road to perdition for the good of your country and the world.


Don’t overplay the hysteria.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:48 am

The UK must leave now and show the whole word how the great Liam Fox will make theses extraordinary trades deals that other countries will beg to get :)
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:11 pm

noviorbis77 wrote:
You don’t live in the UK do you. Therefore how on earth can you question what leave voters want.


It's not like he's the only one questioning what Leavers actually voted for, is it?

noviorbis77 wrote:
Remain supporting MP’s have caused this mess. They should have acted on a united front to deliver Brexit.

Any remain Conservative or Labour MP’s should have stepped down at the last election. How can any of them worked for a manifesto they do not accept.


What type of Brexit was promised in those manifestos? Damn those MPs of all parties that are doing what they believe is in the best interests of the country. How dare they?

Leavers cry for UK Parliament to have sovereignty. UK Parliament has sovereignty over Brexit. Leavers cry about Parliament. You couldn't make it up. What's that old saying - be careful what you wish for. :rotfl:

Anyway, how will you vote in the confirmatory referendum? :wink2:
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