alfa164 wrote:afcjets wrote:You quoted and then compared my statement to another fact, which is exactly what a straw man argument is. I never said it began with the Steele report, I said it was used to justify it. You and your ilk can continue to pretend not to know the difference.
What a surprise! Not quite right - again. I didn't compare your statement to "another fact"; I compared your statement to another of your statements, which clearly wasn't factual, and which contradicted each other. To wit:afcjets wrote:The same administration that issued the FISA warrant before the Stelle dossier ....afcjets wrote:The Stelle dossier was merely used to justify the warrant, an "insurance policy" of sorts. .
Wrong, you compared what I said to a Fox News report. Also, you left out what I said right before you quoted me. Even if what you said that I was responding to had been correct, it shows it would not have been a contradiction, but instead a pattern under the previous administration:
afcjets wrote:The same administration that issued the FISA warrant before the Stelle dossier was the same administration that drafted Hillary's exoneration letter before investigating her, which is totally relevant in that it shows high stakes political investigations are premeditated with a desired outcome in mind.
alfa164 wrote:That is not a "straw man argument"; that is an exposure of a lie.
Your second lie is this:
alfa164 wrote:You do realize you are contradicting yourself here, don't you? The Court issued the warrant before there was even a whiff of knowledge about the Steele dossier; it could hardly be used to "justify the warrant".
“The (FISA) application cited claims from the (Steele) dossier that Mr. Page, while on a trip to Moscow in July 2016, had met with two senior Russian representatives and discussed matters like lifting sanctions imposed on Russia for its intervention in Ukraine and a purported file of compromising information about Mr. Trump that the Russian government had. (Mr. Page has denied those allegations, although he later contradicted his claims that he had not met any Russian government officials on that trip.)
Republicans portrayed the Steele dossier — which also contained salacious claims about Mr. Trump apparently not included in the wiretap application — as dubious, and blasted the F.B.I. for using material from it while not telling the court that the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign had funded the research.
But Democrats noted that the (FISA) application also contained evidence against Mr. Page unrelated to the dossier...”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/21/us/p ... -fisa.html