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Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:07 am

So qualifying for the 2019 Australian Grand Prix has just finished, giving us the first grid for the 2019 series.

The top ten starting positions for the Australian Grand Prix 2019 are:

1 Hamilton;
2 Bottas, +0.112s;
3 Vettel, +0.704s;
4 Verstappen, +0.834s;
5 Leclerc, +0.956s;
6 Grosjean, +1.340s;
7 Magnussen, +1.613s;
8 Norris, +1.818s;
9 Raikkonen, +1.828s;
10 Perez, +2.295s.

Interesting that after a promising couple of pre-season tests, Ferrari are quite far off the qualifying pace - are they holding something back for the race, or were everyones expectations after testing somewhat off the mark?
 
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:29 am

Finally the season is underway again! However, quite distressing to see Hamilton/Mercedes so strong. 0.7s is quite the gap. So much hype about Ferrari being strong this year amounted to nothing.
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:31 am

Also, what happened with Gasly? Maybe time to take back RIC ;)
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:46 am

B747forever wrote:
Finally the season is underway again! However, quite distressing to see Hamilton/Mercedes so strong. 0.7s is quite the gap. So much hype about Ferrari being strong this year amounted to nothing.


Don't worry, Liberty are planning on ruining F1 in 2021 with a cost cap just to hurt teams like Ferrari and Mercedes.
 
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:10 am

I watched the qualifiers this afternoon (I turned on just as the Hornet commenced its flyover), and well done to Norris with being first out on your first race!
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:06 pm

moo wrote:
B747forever wrote:
Finally the season is underway again! However, quite distressing to see Hamilton/Mercedes so strong. 0.7s is quite the gap. So much hype about Ferrari being strong this year amounted to nothing.


Don't worry, Liberty are planning on ruining F1 in 2021 with a cost cap just to hurt teams like Ferrari and Mercedes.


If it tightens up the racing field, the new rules will not be as disastrous as some make it out to be.
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:38 pm

Bit disappointed to see nobody, Ferrari in particular, able to challenge Mercedes. I seriously can't stand another season of Mercedes dominance, but it certainly look as if we're headed in that direction. Luckily the season is long and much can change still.

Having watched the Netflix documentary (highly recommended), my disdain for Renault and the arrogant twat they have at the helm has in no way diminished, nor have my appreciation of Hulkenberg as a whinging also-ran. The schadenfreude was therefore running pretty high when they failed to get into Q3. Apart from Danny Ric. I mean, who doesn't like Mr. Footy?

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Also, what happened with Gasly? Maybe time to take back RIC ;)


Team strategy error. They failed to appreciate how much the track improved in Q1, gambling the single stint GAS and VER did would be enough to carry them to Q2, saving a set of tires in the process. Alas, only VER was quick enough.

The team has apologised to GAS for getting it so wrong.
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:07 pm

It looks like Lance Stroll’s daddy couldn’t help as much as he hoped.
 
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:34 pm

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B747forever wrote:
Also, what happened with Gasly? Maybe time to take back RIC ;)


Team strategy error. They failed to appreciate how much the track improved in Q1, gambling the single stint GAS and VER did would be enough to carry them to Q2, saving a set of tires in the process. Alas, only VER was quick enough.

The team has apologised to GAS for getting it so wrong.


Yeah, too bad the team messed it up. Though, it will be interesting to see if he will be able to make up positions during the race. Both RIC and VER have in the past been able to quickly get through the field when starting in the back.
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Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:54 am

B747forever wrote:
moo wrote:
B747forever wrote:
Finally the season is underway again! However, quite distressing to see Hamilton/Mercedes so strong. 0.7s is quite the gap. So much hype about Ferrari being strong this year amounted to nothing.


Don't worry, Liberty are planning on ruining F1 in 2021 with a cost cap just to hurt teams like Ferrari and Mercedes.


If it tightens up the racing field, the new rules will not be as disastrous as some make it out to be.


It stinks of playing to the teams that don't want to make the investment that the top teams do - they don't have to be in F1, theres no promotion or demotion, they are there because they chose to and they should be prepared to make the investment that that choice comes with. Instead, they bitch and moan and want a cost cap, artificially gimping those teams willing to make the investment.

By all means sort out the prize money issues, thats completely the right thing to do, but to artificially gimp the teams willing to make the needed investment? Nah, sod that.
 
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Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:19 am

moo wrote:
B747forever wrote:
moo wrote:

Don't worry, Liberty are planning on ruining F1 in 2021 with a cost cap just to hurt teams like Ferrari and Mercedes.


If it tightens up the racing field, the new rules will not be as disastrous as some make it out to be.


It stinks of playing to the teams that don't want to make the investment that the top teams do - they don't have to be in F1, theres no promotion or demotion, they are there because they chose to and they should be prepared to make the investment that that choice comes with. Instead, they bitch and moan and want a cost cap, artificially gimping those teams willing to make the investment.

By all means sort out the prize money issues, thats completely the right thing to do, but to artificially gimp the teams willing to make the needed investment? Nah, sod that.


So you would be fine with only 3 teams/6 drivers competing in F1?


BTW, looks like BOT is having time of his life up front setting fastest time lap after lap.
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Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:31 am

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moo wrote:
B747forever wrote:

If it tightens up the racing field, the new rules will not be as disastrous as some make it out to be.


It stinks of playing to the teams that don't want to make the investment that the top teams do - they don't have to be in F1, theres no promotion or demotion, they are there because they chose to and they should be prepared to make the investment that that choice comes with. Instead, they bitch and moan and want a cost cap, artificially gimping those teams willing to make the investment.

By all means sort out the prize money issues, thats completely the right thing to do, but to artificially gimp the teams willing to make the needed investment? Nah, sod that.


So you would be fine with only 3 teams/6 drivers competing in F1?


The situation being bitched about hasn't exactly happened overnight - F1 has been this way for 2 - 3 decades, and yet there has always been mid teams and back markers. For a lot of teams, winning is not the goal, getting their marketing on air is. Has been this way for 50 years.

In short, yes I am fine with two or three teams dominating - so long as they do it by being better. And Mercedes, Ferrari and Redbull do just that - they invest, and provide better cars than the rest of the pack. Brawn GP was a prime example of that in 2009 - Honda invested massively into its team very early on in 2008, with the intention to take advantage of the inability for the big teams to compete for the 2008 season AND adjust to the 2009 rules changes, so they put significant investment in during 2008 and that actually paid off. Of course, they also took the decision to quit the sport just before the 2009 season, but Brawn GP went on to do what Honda intended - win 2009.

I have utterly no time for middling teams who essentially want a spec sport (thats the way its going - keep an eye on the contracts in play for standardised parts for 2021 and onwards, theres a lot of standardisation coming down the road from Liberty...) so they don't have to spend the money. There are plenty of other sports they can compete in without spending the money required in F1, they just dont want to because they dont have the prestige or viewership that F1 does, so they want to do F1 on the cheap and be accommodated in doing so so they can look better on a crap budget.

BTW, looks like BOT is having time of his life up front setting fastest time lap after lap.


Yeah, maybe this is Bottas' year :) Commanded the race from the lights!
 
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Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:08 am

Hats off to Bottas. Commanding win and fastest lap for the extra point to boot. Not sure happened with the Ferraris (particularly Vettel) and to some extent Hamilton. Max + Honda fared quite well. Maybe a bit more power as the year progresses and we'll have a good season with some real battles between the top three teams as well as the midfield. On to Bahrain.
 
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Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:25 am

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It stinks of playing to the teams that don't want to make the investment that the top teams do - they don't have to be in F1, theres no promotion or demotion, they are there because they chose to and they should be prepared to make the investment that that choice comes with. Instead, they bitch and moan and want a cost cap, artificially gimping those teams willing to make the investment.

By all means sort out the prize money issues, thats completely the right thing to do, but to artificially gimp the teams willing to make the needed investment? Nah, sod that.


Problem is, it's not a question that they don't want to make an investment. The team can't make an investment because they don't have the performance necessary in order to attract blue chip sponsors that pays for that investment. It's a vicious circle.

And if this is allowed to continue, pretty soon we wouldn't be having an F1 series at all...

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Hats off to Bottas. Commanding win and fastest lap for the extra point to boot. Not sure happened with the Ferraris (particularly Vettel) and to some extent Hamilton. Max + Honda fared quite well. Maybe a bit more power as the year progresses and we'll have a good season with some real battles between the top three teams as well as the midfield. On to Bahrain.


Indeed. I hope this would be the start of Bottas being the thorn in Hamilton's side rather than a one off. Ferrari was absolutely disappointing, Renault was also disappointing, and it seems Alfa Romeo-Sauber's going to return solidly to the midfield with Kimi. As for Honda, well now it's clear who screwed up in the relationship with McLaren.

Finally, Guenther Steiner is about to throw some F-bombs on that inexplicable tyre problem with Grosjean...
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Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:14 am

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It stinks of playing to the teams that don't want to make the investment that the top teams do - they don't have to be in F1, theres no promotion or demotion, they are there because they chose to and they should be prepared to make the investment that that choice comes with. Instead, they bitch and moan and want a cost cap, artificially gimping those teams willing to make the investment.

By all means sort out the prize money issues, thats completely the right thing to do, but to artificially gimp the teams willing to make the needed investment? Nah, sod that.


Problem is, it's not a question that they don't want to make an investment. The team can't make an investment because they don't have the performance necessary in order to attract blue chip sponsors that pays for that investment. It's a vicious circle.


And why should the teams that can invest suffer as a result? That's not their problem, and yet it's framed as if it is eg "it's not fair that they spend more money and as a result are more successful".

You don't get that argument anywhere else - either it's a spec sport, or it's a competitive one with open budgets. F1 should remain without a cost cap.

Even if you treat F1 as a football team under the FIFA Financial Fair Play rules, the top teams would pass just fine.

And if this is allowed to continue, pretty soon we wouldn't be having an F1 series at all...


The *only* thing that has changed recently is that F1 is now owned by a public company, and cannot be controlled and run as it was under previous administrations - Liberty Media has to show profit, which means increased viewership, increased gimmicks, arsing around with the formats etc etc etc (talk of fan boost and FEs attack mode making it into F1). That's it. Liberty Media are going to ruin the sport, that's my take on it.
 
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Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:43 am

Congrats Valteri, a well-deserved win. If a Merc must win, BOT is by far my favourite to do so. Hugely disappointing drive by Gasly; his inability to get past a Torro Rosso on much fresher and softer rubber is inexcusable. He should have secured 7th or 8th place, ending up instead with not a single point to his name. He better sharpen up right quick, or he'll be the first one out come silly season.

Also don't understand why Ferrari didn't pull Leclerc in with 4 laps to go. He was 35 seconds ahead of Magnussen and was not allowed to overtake Vettel, despite gaining a second per lap as he wound him in. Send the boy in for a fresh set of the softest boots Pirelli his on offer, and let him back out to take fastest lap as a consolation price fer fecks sake!

Shades of deja-vu for Grosjean, who once again had a DNF due unsecured wheel at Melbourne. He had already been taken by his team mate at the start, who drove a flawless race and convincingly place Haas as the team to beat in the 'best of the rest' competition.

Red Bull must really have been patting themselves on the shoulder for ditching Renault in favour of Honda - timing couldn't have been better. McLaren, on the other hand .... what a complete sh1t show that team has become. How Zak Brown is stil at the helm is quite frankly stunning.

All in all, a pretty good race which holds great promises for the season. Apart from at the bleeding edge of the field, that is. Ferrari need to pull their socks well up!
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Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:32 am

Regarding Redbull and Honda, let's not forget that they deliberately ruined Toro Rosso's season last year to push Honda developments - constantly changing engines, taking penalties and stuff to essentially run a full development campaign for an entire season with no thought to rankings, for *precisely* this sort of outcome - Toro Rosso's 2018 season was in preparation for Redbulls 2019 season.

I wonder if Christian Horner ever thinks about that when he bitches about how much Mercedes and Ferrari spend... there aren't too many other teams that can have another team run their development for them, that's for sure!
 
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If this race is any indication, it’s going to be a boring season. Mercedes is going to walk away with it.
 
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Ferrari finishing all but a minute down on Mercedes is something of a shocker. Even if the circuit suited Mercedes and didn't suit Ferrari, the gap shouldn't have been anywhere near that big if Ferrari are going to mount any sort of a challenge this year.

Good drive by Bottas, exactly what he needed. Hamilton's subdued performance apparently explained by a damaged floor, although having been jumped by Bottas at the start, he might not have been able to get ahead anyway.

That result will likely have sent shockwaves down the paddock *(and all the way to Maranello).
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:43 pm

How the hell did Mercedes make a car so quick? I'm very pleased for Bottas, though this makes it less likely of Ocon taking his seat next year. :(

I hope Bottas really starts asserting himself against the team's management this year and I hope that they make Hamilton cede a race to him as payback for Russia last year.

Other than that I'd like to say how happy I am at Sauber's performance (other than the awful strategy of leaving GIO out far too long).

B747forever wrote:
Also, what happened with Gasly? Maybe time to take back RIC ;)


It was the team's decision not to put him on a final Q1 run.

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Having watched the Netflix documentary (highly recommended), my disdain for Renault and the arrogant twat they have at the helm has in no way diminished, nor have my appreciation of Hulkenberg as a whinging also-ran. The schadenfreude was therefore running pretty high when they failed to get into Q3

Totally agree with you. There's certainly been a lot of incompetence at the top of Renault F1 over the past few years. I like that Prost seems to be having a more prominent role now. Thing is that if the team had played their cards better in the past years, they could have had the very capable Frédéric Vasseur running the team (he's doing a brilliant job at Sauber) and the very quick Kevin Magnussen as a driver.


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Team strategy error. They failed to appreciate how much the track improved in Q1, gambling the single stint GAS and VER did would be enough to carry them to Q2, saving a set of tires in the process. Alas, only VER was quick enough.

The team has apologised to GAS for getting it so wrong.


In fairness the team, the track evolution was monumental. I don't remember it ever being so massive in a dry Quali session.

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Lance is going to get destroyed by Perez this year.

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Both RIC and VER have in the past been able to quickly get through the field when starting in the back.

I don't remember anyone being able to do very much of that at Melbourne, unfortunately. It's not as bad for overtaking as Monaco, but it's still fairly hopeless.

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Also don't understand why Ferrari didn't pull Leclerc in with 4 laps to go. He was 35 seconds ahead of Magnussen and was not allowed to overtake Vettel, despite gaining a second per lap as he wound him in. Send the boy in for a fresh set of the softest boots Pirelli his on offer, and let him back out to take fastest lap as a consolation price fer fecks sake!

Whilst I agree with you, ever since the pitlane incident where the mechanic was injured at Bahrain last year, Ferrari has been very risk adverse when it comes to extra/unnecessary pitstops.
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:44 pm

Well, I guess it was at least a little better seeing Bottas win vs. Hamilton... and I was very happy to see Max get third. But, bleh, looks like more of the same Mercedes dominance is lined up for this season. (But I hope not!)
 
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Yet another snorefest from the suposed top formula.
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:29 pm

I love the midfield battle. There was even a train a continue to about the end. It's going to be exciting on that front. I look forward to the big 3 battle this year even though it seems Mercedes is going to run away with it again...(Please let me be wrong)
 
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All Mercedes. This year is proving to be quite boring.
 
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All Mercedes. This year is proving to be quite boring.


The top two in the WDC separated by a single point after four races is boring?
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All Mercedes. This year is proving to be quite boring.


The top two in the WDC separated by a single point after four races is boring?

When they both drive Mercedes and the next competitor is 34 points back? Yes.
 
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All Mercedes. This year is proving to be quite boring.


The top two in the WDC separated by a single point after four races is boring?


Yes, because at some point team orders will be implemented, despite whatever crap Toto Wolff might spout about the drivers being "free to race".
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All Mercedes. This year is proving to be quite boring.


The top two in the WDC separated by a single point after four races is boring?


Yes, because at some point team orders will be implemented, despite whatever crap Toto Wolff might spout about the drivers being "free to race".

Exactly.
 
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Well, the way Ferrari is losing every time with a strong or even faster car is not so boring.
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Yes, because at some point team orders will be implemented, despite whatever crap Toto Wolff might spout about the drivers being "free to race".


Unless Ferrari start turning up at races and not shooting themselves in both feet, there will be no need for for team orders at Mercedes.
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All Mercedes. This year is proving to be quite boring.


The top two in the WDC separated by a single point after four races is boring?


Well, it's not Hamilton-Rosberg 2016. There's not a lot of excitement, just Bottas winning when Hamilton had an off day, and vice versa.

As for Ferrari, WTF?! As bad as Arrivabene was, at least under his watch they were winning races! What's bloody wrong with Binotto?
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