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Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:42 am

Watched the state of the union address.... OK fine, it was a state of the union address. I was pleased at the start then it went as I expected....

Ultimately it is because all sides BELIEVE only their "side" is the right side. You can reach out all you want but unless you truly understand this, and I mean really understand, that while you believe you are right, you accept and are OK with and willing to work with the idea that the other side equally knows they are right. And give fair value to that view, that "other side's belief". That it has equal value, or at least has value and is worthy or respect.


But you won't.

So you are not any better.

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Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:45 am

As long as the fringe controls the narrative it won't change. I was happy to see Joe Manchin though.
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:48 am

The tone was much better than I was expecting but the bar is low.

With all the recent insincere focus on the “radicalization” of Democrats and “socialism,” the positive response to Trump spending a couple of minutes to acknowledge women proves the guy could easily have approval ratings in the 60s if he toned down pandering to his rabid base and was gracious enough to pay lip service every now and then to minorities.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:29 am

I'm proud of his achievement of scaring the shit out of Democratic women and causing them to run for office in record numbers. I'm glad he realizes that.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:52 pm

Fact-checking the SOU: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 16c489c0f8

President Trump’s State of the Union speech once again was chock-full of stretched facts and dubious figures. Many of these claims have been fact-checked repeatedly, yet the president persists in using them. Here, in the order in which he made them, are nearly 30 statements by the president.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:29 pm

I only watched a few minutes of it, I usually prefer to read the transcript than watch the up down aerobics of congress. The few minutes I watched happened to coincide with his comments about women in the work force and congress. I thought that was a good touch.

Predictably, those who want to find issues with it, will find issues with it. Those who want to see it positively will see it positively.

Just confirmation bias as usual.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:35 pm

910A wrote:
Fact-checking the SOU: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 16c489c0f8
President Trump’s State of the Union speech once again was chock-full of stretched facts and dubious figures. Many of these claims have been fact-checked repeatedly, yet the president persists in using them. Here, in the order in which he made them, are nearly 30 statements by the president.


I am shocked!

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Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:07 pm

I must say, the sonofabitch looked, well, presidential, last night.

As much of an egomaniac as we all think Trump to be, I noticed that he used the term "us" and "we" a ton, not the "I" as his predecessor incessantly did. For as much self-aggrandizing as Trump does, he understood the moment isn't his, but the country's and I give him some credit there.

Record low unemployment for women and minorities. Even the white-clad contingent cheered that, haha...

I did think he struck the right tone between strength on national defense and border security, trade policy and such, whilst also reaching across the aisle. It disarmed the left, perhaps. It really was a masterful speech.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:05 pm

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slider wrote:
I must say, the sonofabitch looked, well, presidential, last night.

As much of an egomaniac as we all think Trump to be, I noticed that he used the term "us" and "we" a ton, not the "I" as his predecessor incessantly did. For as much self-aggrandizing as Trump does, he understood the moment isn't his, but the country's and I give him some credit there.

Record low unemployment for women and minorities. Even the white-clad contingent cheered that, haha...

I did think he struck the right tone between strength on national defense and border security, trade policy and such, whilst also reaching across the aisle. It disarmed the left, perhaps. It really was a masterful speech.


"Masterful," eh? Alrighty then.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


What were you expecting? Doom and gloom? The left wants him to fail so badly, the media coverage is 95% skewed against him, and the sonofabitch keeps grinding.

Economy is steaming, trade deals are being renegotiated, we're extricating from endless, needless wars, employment figures for ALL demographics are at or near record highs, only a fool laughs that off.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:08 pm

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jetero wrote:
slider wrote:
I must say, the sonofabitch looked, well, presidential, last night.

As much of an egomaniac as we all think Trump to be, I noticed that he used the term "us" and "we" a ton, not the "I" as his predecessor incessantly did. For as much self-aggrandizing as Trump does, he understood the moment isn't his, but the country's and I give him some credit there.

Record low unemployment for women and minorities. Even the white-clad contingent cheered that, haha...

I did think he struck the right tone between strength on national defense and border security, trade policy and such, whilst also reaching across the aisle. It disarmed the left, perhaps. It really was a masterful speech.


"Masterful," eh? Alrighty then.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


What were you expecting? Doom and gloom? The left wants him to fail so badly, the media coverage is 95% skewed against him, and the sonofabitch keeps grinding.

Economy is steaming, trade deals are being renegotiated, we're extricating from endless, needless wars, employment figures for ALL demographics are at or near record highs, only a fool laughs that off.


I guess the majority of the country are fools then.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:11 pm

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Watched the state of the union address.... OK fine, it was a state of the union address. I was pleased at the start then it went as I expected....

Ultimately it is because all sides BELIEVE only their "side" is the right side. You can reach out all you want but unless you truly understand this, and I mean really understand, that while you believe you are right, you accept and are OK with and willing to work with the idea that the other side equally knows they are right. And give fair value to that view, that "other side's belief". That it has equal value, or at least has value and is worthy or respect.


But you won't.

So you are not any better.

Tugg

As long as Trump is leader of the party, I know for a fact I'm better. Just because he managed to string some words together in a speech from a teleprompter and sound almost coherent for an hour out of the year doesn't change anything. Would you make this silly argument in 1938 Germany? That both sides have equal value? It's preposterous. Arguably most Republicans aren't onboard but they have no choice but to stay on the ship while Trump proudly shoots cannonballs. Into his own hull.
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:19 pm

If only it weren't for the damned media and, er, the 60% of the country who disapproves of him regardless of the economic statistics. Combined with the resounding results of the 2018 election, that's a pretty damned powerful indicator, now isn't it, of how many people want him gone?

It's going to get only worse as more people around him get arrested, more than likely including family members, as the criminal enterprise that is the Trump Organization is undoubtedly exposed. Of course the majority of Americans in number could see and smell the rampant fraud from a mile away 3 years ago.

Evidently a lot of people are still in denial. I'm sorry if that's inconvenient, slide.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:38 pm

slider wrote:
I must say, the sonofabitch looked, well, presidential, last night.

As much of an egomaniac as we all think Trump to be, I noticed that he used the term "us" and "we" a ton, not the "I" as his predecessor incessantly did. For as much self-aggrandizing as Trump does, he understood the moment isn't his, but the country's and I give him some credit there.

Record low unemployment for women and minorities. Even the white-clad contingent cheered that, haha...

I did think he struck the right tone between strength on national defense and border security, trade policy and such, whilst also reaching across the aisle. It disarmed the left, perhaps. It really was a masterful speech.



It's easy to sound strong and presidential when you're simply making things up:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... cae103f4a9

Also, here is a transcript of Obama's 2nd SOTU address. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_O ... on_Address

He said:
"I" 104 times
"our" 120 times
"us" 19 times
"we" 170 times


And here is Last nights from Trump: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Donald_T ... on_Address

He said:
"I" 42 times
"our" 98 times
"us" 17 times
"we" 114 times

Considering Obamas speech was a couple thousand words more, I really don't' think your criticism holds water.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:42 pm

2122M wrote:
slider wrote:
I must say, the sonofabitch looked, well, presidential, last night.

As much of an egomaniac as we all think Trump to be, I noticed that he used the term "us" and "we" a ton, not the "I" as his predecessor incessantly did. For as much self-aggrandizing as Trump does, he understood the moment isn't his, but the country's and I give him some credit there.

Record low unemployment for women and minorities. Even the white-clad contingent cheered that, haha...

I did think he struck the right tone between strength on national defense and border security, trade policy and such, whilst also reaching across the aisle. It disarmed the left, perhaps. It really was a masterful speech.



It's easy to sound strong and presidential when you're simply making things up:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... cae103f4a9

Also, here is a transcript of Obama's 2nd SOTU address. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_O ... on_Address

He said:
"I" 104 times
"our" 120 times
"us" 19 times
"we" 170 times


And here is Last nights from Trump: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Donald_T ... on_Address

He said:
"I" 42 times
"our" 98 times
"us" 17 times
"we" 114 times

Considering Obamas speech was a couple thousand words more, I really don't' think your criticism holds water.


Yep the bar is definitely so low if that speech, albeit as I said, exceeded my expectations was "masterful."

BUT the bar is so low that if he did make an effort to tone it down he probably could win reelection solidly. (Sad! What a disgrace!)
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:06 pm

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Considering Obamas speech was a couple thousand words more, I really don't' think your criticism holds water.


Not that I care about certain words in these speeches, but 15% versus 25% is statistically significant.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:21 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
2122M wrote:
Considering Obamas speech was a couple thousand words more, I really don't' think your criticism holds water.


Not that I care about certain words in these speeches, but 15% versus 25% is statistically significant.


"I" is give or take 1% of the total words in the speech. It's a weird thing for the Trump squad to care about and you apparently don't, but talking about a less than 1% difference in the context of the whole speech hardly makes Obama an egomaniac and Trump some kind of selfless saint (as was implied).
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:21 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/05/politics ... index.html
His speech was more butter than sharp, but how many heard or read the following and just about laughed to death?

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Together, we can break decades of political stalemate. We can bridge old divisions, heal old wounds, build new coalitions, forge new solutions, and unlock the extraordinary promise of America's future. The decision is ours to make.
We must choose between greatness or gridlock, results or resistance, vision or vengeance, incredible progress or pointless destruction.
Tonight, I ask you to choose greatness.
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:45 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
2122M wrote:
Considering Obamas speech was a couple thousand words more, I really don't' think your criticism holds water.


Not that I care about certain words in these speeches, but 15% versus 25% is statistically significant.


Maybe in a vacuum. Suggest you do an exhaustive search of his speeches in office thus far, or hell, maybe even his Tweets. That probably can be done quickly enough.

(And 15% of what versus 25% of what? Why don't you measure it as a percent of total words in the speech and tell me if that's statistically significant.)

(Something tells me the number of times the President used the word "I" was in the right-wing talking points document.)

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Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:25 pm

2122M wrote:
"I" is give or take 1% of the total words in the speech. It's a weird thing for the Trump squad to care about and you apparently don't, but talking about a less than 1% difference in the context of the whole speech hardly makes Obama an egomaniac and Trump some kind of selfless saint (as was implied).


The poster perceived that Trump used "I" less and "us/we" more. Statistically that was accurate according to your own post. I think your problem here is that you're facing facts that you can't agree with. You're confirming a difference and then trying to deny it. That's....irrational to say the least.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:30 pm

The below is what stood out to me most:

If I had not been elected president of the United States, we would right now, in my opinion, be in a major war with North Korea.

Does anyone on this forum think there's even a remote chance that the United States would be in a major war with North Korea had Donald Trump not been elected?

I also found it interesting that he solidified his intention to meet with Kim Feb 27/28 in Vietnam. The optics of Presidential foreign travel won't be great in my mind if either the government is shut down or he's declared a State of Emergency over the wall.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:51 pm

Yup, masterful.

Started out with a hostile Democrat audience in many respects, then he went on to own them. He appropriated practically every Dem issue as his own and was so successful doing so that they were even standing and applauding as he went on. Think about it--he was sunny, respectful, not petulant or childish, and in the face of a media and political opposing party that bombards him, he was gracious.

That was Trump playing poker with the Dems playing checkers.

His speechwriters knocked it out of the park, and Trump delivered it in a way I think many would like to see him do more often, instead of the impromptu crassness that happens too frequently.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:55 pm

Why are we not taking to the streets and demanding apologies for weeks for his use of teleprompters?

I also love the MAGA fan boys all upset over all the women wearing white and Pelosi's sarcastic clapping. I guess they would have gotten more respect if they had all shouted "YOU LIE!!!" all at once......
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:56 pm

If he only would get a speech writer for Twitter.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:32 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
2122M wrote:
"I" is give or take 1% of the total words in the speech. It's a weird thing for the Trump squad to care about and you apparently don't, but talking about a less than 1% difference in the context of the whole speech hardly makes Obama an egomaniac and Trump some kind of selfless saint (as was implied).


The poster perceived that Trump used "I" less and "us/we" more. Statistically that was accurate according to your own post. I think your problem here is that you're facing facts that you can't agree with. You're confirming a difference and then trying to deny it. That's....irrational to say the least.


Oh, the idea of any Trumpist being concerned with checking facts.

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Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:35 pm

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Yup, masterful.

Started out with a hostile Democrat audience in many respects, then he went on to own them. He appropriated practically every Dem issue as his own and was so successful doing so that they were even standing and applauding as he went on. Think about it--he was sunny, respectful, not petulant or childish, and in the face of a media and political opposing party that bombards him, he was gracious.

That was Trump playing poker with the Dems playing checkers.

His speechwriters knocked it out of the park, and Trump delivered it in a way I think many would like to see him do more often, instead of the impromptu crassness that happens too frequently.


OK slidey, it was absolutely masterful. Breathtaking even. He really "owned" the libs. (That's great language, BTW, and very indicative of where the Republican Party is these days.)

I'm sure it will all be borne out by a large jump in approval ratings and he achieving any of the legislative agenda he set out last night. (And it won't be Democrats doing all the blocking . . . plenty of the stuff like parental leave will never advance in the Senate thanks to Cocaine Mitch.)

But to Trumpists I suppose the presidency is all about words.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:51 pm

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I also love the MAGA fan boys all upset over all the women wearing white and Pelosi's sarcastic clapping. ......


Where were they? Again this is something you made up in your imagination.

jetero wrote:
I guess the majority of the country are fools then.


Only the ones who don't support Kamala Harris.
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:12 pm

Not applauding at the arrest of child sex traffickers was an unfortunate optic. Why do the Democrats play Trump’s own game?
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:26 pm

I have always wondered what a "Liberal" person is in the States? It always seems to be a swear word for some, I assume it is a Democrat, or are there other minor or fringe parties that exist stateside? Often you will hear or read that "so and so" is a Liberal, and again depending on who is delivering the narrative, it seems like it is a swear word.
A quick online search shows that there was a Liberal Republican party in the States in 1872 to oppose the Radical Republicans of Ulysses Grant. So there we see two Republican Parties, one of which uses the word Liberal, so I assume moderate?
There seem to be many definitions of Liberalism around the world, so I am genuinely curious what it means in the States, maybe anything but Republican? Then there was that whole Tea Party thing, whatever that was...
 
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Not applauding at the arrest of child sex traffickers was an unfortunate optic. Why do the Democrats play Trump’s own game?


Yes, refer you to reply 26:

Jetero wrote:
I'm sure it will all be borne out by a large jump in approval ratings
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:24 pm

Poor kid knew he was being used and he wasn't having any of it.

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Is it just me or does Melania look like a man?
 
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Is it just me or does Melania look like a man?


More like a monster ... early stage Donatella Versace.
 
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jetero wrote:
Is it just me or does Melania look like a man?


More like a monster ... early stage Donatella Versace.


I think she should show us her arms.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:00 pm

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I have always wondered what a "Liberal" person is in the States? It always seems to be a swear word for some, I assume it is a Democrat, or are there other minor or fringe parties that exist stateside? Often you will hear or read that "so and so" is a Liberal, and again depending on who is delivering the narrative, it seems like it is a swear word.
A quick online search shows that there was a Liberal Republican party in the States in 1872 to oppose the Radical Republicans of Ulysses Grant. So there we see two Republican Parties, one of which uses the word Liberal, so I assume moderate?
There seem to be many definitions of Liberalism around the world, so I am genuinely curious what it means in the States, maybe anything but Republican? Then there was that whole Tea Party thing, whatever that was...

I am a liberal or progressive Republican or what a lot of Republican's who don't actually know me would call me, a RINO. I wish there were more but the vocal some would say rabid conservative fringe has the party. And much the same can be said for the Dems as well. I support gun laws that are smart, needed, and effective, I support healthcare for all citizens but not unlimited, I support more immigration and could accept a path to some level of legalization for those currently here illegally but only with good effective controls to prevent future failures with immigration (aka not what happened under Reagan). I support reducing the budget, making sure we have a plan to meet our obligations (debt) that is achievable. And on.

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Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:03 am

I'm pretty sure it wasn't Melania's fault, but somebody put superglue in her lip-balm.

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Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:05 am

I thought both Trump and Nancy looked great last night. Trump had a nice glow and his tan did not look this least bit orange. He either got a new spray tan formula or got some real sun. Whatever Nancy had injected in her face over the holidays has settled in nicely and she looked both younger and more natural than her last high profile appearance.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:23 am

jetero wrote:
bagoldex wrote:
jetero wrote:
Is it just me or does Melania look like a man?


More like a monster ... early stage Donatella Versace.


I think she should show us her arms.



Michelle Obama did and she was called a Gorilla. Guess by who???
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WarRI1 wrote:
jetero wrote:
bagoldex wrote:

More like a monster ... early stage Donatella Versace.


I think she should show us her arms.



Michelle Obama did and she was called a Gorilla. Guess by who???


I think the President may be a drug dealer/gay prostitute.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:40 am

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WarRI1 wrote:
jetero wrote:

I think she should show us her arms.



Michelle Obama did and she was called a Gorilla. Guess by who???


I think the President may be a drug dealer/gay prostitute.



I will not judge him on that, but he is a Sanctimonious Bastard. I watched a few moments on the news, that was enough.
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:25 am

The State of the Union speeches are a direct, unfiltered way for Presidents, especially since radio was first used by F. Roosevelt, for them to present their desired policies directly to the public for in turn pressure placed on their representatives.
President Trump used this speech to push for his wall funding as well as demand that Democrats not investigate him. he tone of the speech was angry, written for him with little input and but for a few moments un-acceptable for Democrats.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:24 am

2122M wrote:
He [Obama] said:
"I" 104 times
"our" 120 times
"us" 19 times
"we" 170 times


And here is Last nights from Trump: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Donald_T ... on_Address

He said:
"I" 42 times
"our" 98 times
"us" 17 times
"we" 114 times

Considering Obamas speech was a couple thousand words more, I really don't' think your criticism holds water.


I think you might want to try math. From what you presented there, out of the choice of pronouns given by you Obama used "I" 25% of the time, while Trump did 15% of the time.

I don't wouldn't have brought this up but just don't try to explain it away with botched arguments.

Meanwhile, I think the speech did a good job at hitting a unifying tone while remaining strong on the non-negotiable points, which are the wall and abortion.

I always love watching the speech for the audience reaction which the transcript just can't provide. Obviously the Democrats learned from their disaster last year when they even remained seated and didn't applaud for clear things that everyone can get behind of and chose to treat Trump like any other President giving a SOTU.

I had a blast watching Dyslexia Ocasio Cortez, who was clearly positioned as a leader in her white block (middle of the first row, doesn't get any more obvious) but continuously showed her insecurity by turning around to check on the more senior gals and also her failed attempts at reining in applause given by the group on some occasions. Hilarious!

ltbewr wrote:
The tone of the speech was angry

You probably watched another speech.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:21 am

aviationaware wrote:
the non-negotiable points, which are the wall and abortion.


Correct. The wall isn't going to happen, and abortion was legalized in 1973. Thanks for playing.

aviationaware wrote:
I had a blast watching Dyslexia Ocasio Cortez


Aww, did you come up with that wittle nickname all by yourself? *Pelosi-clap*
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:26 am

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break down a speech into we's & I's & us's to justify your, SMARTEST EVER, President?........Ignoring the context, facts and truth? :rotfl: Seriously guys, new low.


Tomorrow's tweet predictions:

I SAID "WE" MORE TIMES THAN OBAMA FOLKS, I KNOW WORDS, BIG WORDS!! .....

NO PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY HAS EVER SAID SO MANY "WE'S" AS I DID. I'M THE WEE MAN....

IN FACT....I SAID ''WE'' SO MANY TIMES I PRACTICALLY GAVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE A 'WE SHOWER'..... IT WAS GOLDEN.....
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:23 am

bgm wrote:

aviationaware wrote:
I had a blast watching Dyslexia Ocasio Cortez


Aww, did you come up with that wittle nickname all by yourself? *Pelosi-clap*


Lol, like most conservative "humor" it was probably borrowed from some warmed-over gag they were the punchline of twenty years ago...

On a more serious note, that woman is indeed wildly optimistic in her expectations. I think in the next few months she's going to have a real cold shower or two, finding out just how important industrial lobbying and dealing with gatekeepers like Pelosi really are in her career field.

Having that been said, the reaction she elicits from the MAGA knuckle draggers is priceless. On that basis, I personally hope she keeps this job for life.


afcjets wrote:
Whatever Nancy had injected in her face over the holidays has settled in nicely and she looked both younger and more natural than her last high profile appearance.


Probably because your used to seeing her in very heavily worked over photos that the folks who are afraid of her like to put up on social media. I've met her a few times in real life, and it's very easy to forget that she's in her 70s. Considering the stressloads of her position and the responsibility she wields, she's actually aged very well.

As for trump, not sure what he wears, but very likely the Orange thing is more lighting than anything else. My mother was a weather girl back in the 80s. There were a few times where I remember seeing how distorted and clowny her makeup looked off camera in order to have it look right on the air. I think most of the issue with trump's appearance is his crew not getting it right; dressing him up for more traditional show lighting when they should be going for Broadcast standards instead. Perhaps they're working this out now...
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Re: State of the Union - Divided; Because each side thinks only it is reasonable

Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:24 am

aviationaware wrote:
2122M wrote:
He [Obama] said:
"I" 104 times
"our" 120 times
"us" 19 times
"we" 170 times


And here is Last nights from Trump: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Donald_T ... on_Address

He said:
"I" 42 times
"our" 98 times
"us" 17 times
"we" 114 times

Considering Obamas speech was a couple thousand words more, I really don't' think your criticism holds water.


I think you might want to try math. From what you presented there, out of the choice of pronouns given by you Obama used "I" 25% of the time, while Trump did 15% of the time.

I don't wouldn't have brought this up but just don't try to explain it away with botched arguments.



So you agree with original assertion that Obama is the egomaniac and Trump is the ‘team player’ based on the use of a word that comprised about 1% of their respective speeches? I personally think that’s absurd.

That’s the point I’m making.

As for the rest of it, Trump did a fair job of reading the lies provided to him, but just because he was more resevered sounding while inventing a border crisis doesn’t mean he was any more correct.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:02 pm

2122M wrote:

So you agree with original assertion that Obama is the egomaniac and Trump is the ‘team player’ based on the use of a word that comprised about 1% of their respective speeches? I personally think that’s absurd.



No I don't, which is why I wrote that last sentence you quoted. I think both of them are egomaniacs. You don't run for President if you aren't. But your attempt at "disproving" the other guy was just pathetically botched.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:45 pm

In a sign that most of his speech was pure BS. Trump has launched into a very partisan rant today.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
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Re: State of the Union - Divided; Because each side thinks only it is reasonable

Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:34 pm

aviationaware wrote:
2122M wrote:

So you agree with original assertion that Obama is the egomaniac and Trump is the ‘team player’ based on the use of a word that comprised about 1% of their respective speeches? I personally think that’s absurd.



No I don't, which is why I wrote that last sentence you quoted. I think both of them are egomaniacs. You don't run for President if you aren't. But your attempt at "disproving" the other guy was just pathetically botched.


I'm sure you believe that anything that anyone ever said that wasn't in line with a right-wing talking point is pathetic, so you'll forgive me if I take your criticism with a grain of salt.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:39 pm

casinterest wrote:
In a sign that most of his speech was pure BS. Trump has launched into a very partisan rant today.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump


...aaaand, we're back to the raging ramblings from America's stable genius. :rotfl:
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:51 am

jetero wrote:
Is it just me or does Melania look like a man?


That light is certainly not flattering.

bagoldex wrote:
jetero wrote:
Is it just me or does Melania look like a man?


More like a monster ... early stage Donatella Versace.


OMG I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
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