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Putin Wants To Be President For Life

Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:28 pm

My guess is he's made so many enemies that the only thing protecting him is his position.

Russians need to overthrow their government, violently if necessary.

http://bit.ly/2CyW3wF
 
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Re: Putin Wants To Be President For Life

Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:30 pm

The article omits the process that is required to amend the constitution. That is important context.
 
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:46 pm

I want to be President for life too.
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:51 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
The article omits the process that is required to amend the constitution. That is important context.


Do you really think that amending the Constitution of Russia would be that hard? They already amended it to extend the term of office for President from four to six years.
 
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:03 pm

Ahh...so he's following the footstep of the (now friendly) comrade, Emperor Xi. Well, Individual-1 is salivating that possibilities also (But won't ever go anywhere).

KICT wrote:
Russians need to overthrow their government, violently if necessary.


And that would do what? You really think a destablized Russia is good for the world? What's to say that somebody crazier won't take power?

I'm not a Putin fan myself either, but sometimes things are what they are. It's like the same people that wish CCP collapse or Chinese economy explode, as if that wouldn't bring global-level problems.
 
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:10 pm

910A wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
The article omits the process that is required to amend the constitution. That is important context.


Do you really think that amending the Constitution of Russia would be that hard? They already amended it to extend the term of office for President from four to six years.


I have no idea how hard it would be. That's why the context for amendment would have been very helpful.
 
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:17 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
910A wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
The article omits the process that is required to amend the constitution. That is important context.


Do you really think that amending the Constitution of Russia would be that hard? They already amended it to extend the term of office for President from four to six years.


I have no idea how hard it would be. That's why the context for amendment would have been very helpful.


Putin has absolute power, so no matter how hard it would be on paper, he can do it in a flash. Putin is an autocrat, not a democratic leader.
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:27 pm

KICT wrote:
My guess is he's made so many enemies that the only thing protecting him is his position.


That is true. Putin is very corrupt, thus if he would ever be thrown out of office, he would find himself in jail or worse. That's why he will never resign and will squash any opposition, he cannot afford to be out of office, unless......

..... unless he finds someone like himself whom will protect him and his family. Putin was chosen as a successor to Jeltsin because he has shown in his St. Pietersburg days, that he will protect corrupt politicians after they have left office. And they were correct, Putin has protected Jeltsin and his family even though they were corrupt as hell, together with the oligarchs. The oligarchs whom remained loyal to the new leader got to stay and remained rich, the others were either thrown in jail, murdered or fled Russia.

My guess is that Putin doesn't trust his oligarchs whom are close to him to name a successor and therefore wants to stay after 2022.
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:00 pm

Dutchy wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
910A wrote:

Do you really think that amending the Constitution of Russia would be that hard? They already amended it to extend the term of office for President from four to six years.


I have no idea how hard it would be. That's why the context for amendment would have been very helpful.


Putin has absolute power, so no matter how hard it would be on paper, he can do it in a flash. Putin is an autocrat, not a democratic leader.

If I could anyone in charge of Russia for life, I'd pick Putin. We already know how he operates and it's not like he's shooting people in the streets. A black hole of power in Russia (USA or meaningful [read: nuclear or decent offensive capabilities] European military power) is way more scary than a black hole of power in the Middle East.
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:06 pm

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it's not like he's shooting people in the streets.

I don't believe you said that. He's poisoning people in the streets: worldwide.

And you don't have to worry about him shooting mobs of Russian protesters (not that he wouldn't), the Russian populace likes strongman dictators, that's all they know; that's all they've ever known. They love him at least as much as other fascist countries of the past loved their dictators.
 
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:17 pm

salttee wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
it's not like he's shooting people in the streets.

I don't believe you said that. He's poisoning people in the streets: worldwide.

And you don't have to worry about him shooting mobs of Russian protesters (not that he wouldn't), the Russian populace likes strongman dictators, that's all they know; that's all they've ever known. They love him at least as much as other fascist countries of the past loved their dictators.


Sure, and have someone shot near the Red Square, all in the day's operation of the Putin regime.
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:27 pm

salttee wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
it's not like he's shooting people in the streets.

I don't believe you said that. He's poisoning people in the streets: worldwide.

And you don't have to worry about him shooting mobs of Russian protesters (not that he wouldn't), the Russian populace likes strongman dictators, that's all they know; that's all they've ever known. They love him at least as much as other fascist countries of the past loved their dictators.

Are you suggesting that the United States should interfere with a Russian presidential election?
 
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:48 pm

I don't know how I feel about this... If the Russian people let him get away with making himself president for life (de facto or de jure) then it's probably the fate they deserve

Not that I would like that but I don't know how I would change that
 
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:04 pm

If the Russians could stop drinking themselves to death for one second they'd see the rug is being pulled out from under them. They've been through this before though and deep down many want a strong man at the top. It really is part of their society to have a generational figurehead.
 
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:08 pm

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If the Russians could stop drinking themselves to death for one second they'd see the rug is being pulled out from under them. They've been through this before though and deep down many want a strong man at the top. It really is part of their society to have a generational figurehead.


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Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:11 pm

I think we also need to remember that many see Putin as having done a lot of great for Russia and a lot of the bad is in spite of him and not because of him

Not defending him or any of his actions but having a good understanding of people and how they think is very important. The average Russian's perception of him is way different, we need to remember this
 
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:37 pm

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That's not being grateful, that's being collectivelly stupid.

Did you say collective? ;)

She's not completely stupid, she took the first train outta there.
 
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:48 pm

Is the current price of oil OK for the Russian state coffers ?
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Is the current price of oil OK for the Russian state coffers ?

It wasn't good at $80--I can't imagine at $45
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Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:30 am

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I have no idea how hard it would be. That's why the context for amendment would have been very helpful.

His United Russia party has an overwhelming majority in the Duma and the Federation Council (House and Senate). It's the same process as in the US: Congress approves it and sends it to the states for ratification. In Russian, the federal subjects also have to approve it...but unlike in the US, many, if not all, the federal subjects are also dominated by United Russia so if it passes the Federal Assembly, ratification by the federal subjects is just really a formality (while dominated by United Russia).

Now...I do remember reading about how someone predicted that Putin's best case scenario is dying while in power. It's no doubt that a lot of dirty tricks have been played while he's been in office and that he's likely responsible for them. Being president for life prevents any oversight and downfall while he's alive. Now, whether Russians will allow it to happen is a different story.
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Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:48 am

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She's not completely stupid, she took the first train outta there.


That's the whole absurdity of it all. All those post-1991 emigrants from Russia, who were smart (or saved or have stolen) enough to gtfo of Russia, then spent all their time praising Putin.
 
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Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:27 am

salttee wrote:
L410Turbolet wrote:
That's not being grateful, that's being collectivelly stupid.

Did you say collective? ;)

She's not completely stupid, she took the first train outta there.

Eviscerate the proletariat, comrade. ;)
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Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:54 am

I thought Putin already was president for life though. Just unofficially, so the Russian people still have some illusion of having an actual democracy.
 
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Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:59 am

TWA772LR wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:

I have no idea how hard it would be. That's why the context for amendment would have been very helpful.


Putin has absolute power, so no matter how hard it would be on paper, he can do it in a flash. Putin is an autocrat, not a democratic leader.

If I could anyone in charge of Russia for life, I'd pick Putin. We already know how he operates and it's not like he's shooting people in the streets. A black hole of power in Russia (USA or meaningful [read: nuclear or decent offensive capabilities] European military power) is way more scary than a black hole of power in the Middle East.


Russia should have a female president. Would make for a better representative for the population (see: average life span of Russian men vs Russian women. Blame Vodka?)
 
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Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:04 am

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(see: average life span of Russian men vs Russian women. Blame Vodka?)


Vodka... and Novichok...

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Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:10 am

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I thought Putin already was president for life though. Just unofficially, so the Russian people still have some illusion of having an actual democracy.


Would any Russian actually believe this? They can't be that naïef.
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Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:17 am

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Russians will allow it to happen is a different story.


Hordenary Russians have no say in this. The oligarchs are the power to reckon with, that is the base of Putin's power.
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Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:23 am

KICT wrote:
My guess is he's made so many enemies that the only thing protecting him is his position.

Russians need to overthrow their government, violently if necessary.

http://bit.ly/2CyW3wF


What’s your interest in what Russians should do with their government and their president? Are you a Russian citizen?
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Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:28 am

Dutchy wrote:
Putin has absolute power, so no matter how hard it would be on paper, he can do it in a flash. Putin is an autocrat, not a democratic leader.


Well, in one very “independent” and “democratic” country to the south-west of Russia they change Constitution under each and every new President. Is this any better?
 
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Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:37 am

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Is the current price of oil OK for the Russian state coffers ?


Yes, absolutely. In fact, anything above $40/barrel goes to a separate fund, and not being spent. It’s only in countries calling themselves democratic they spend every penny they get, and every penny they are able to borrow.
 
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Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:41 am

Dutchy wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
I thought Putin already was president for life though. Just unofficially, so the Russian people still have some illusion of having an actual democracy.


Would any Russian actually believe this? They can't be that naïef.


The idea of absolute democracy isn’t in great demand among Russians. They associate the notion of “democracy” with poverty of 1990s.
 
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Are you suggesting that the United States should interfere with a Russian presidential election?


Last U.S. tried to interfere with Russian election in 2012, when Biden tried to say to Putin to not run. What followed - that in fact helped him to get even more votes, and led to passage of whole bunch of new legislation - a law similar to U.S. FARA, about mass events, demonstrations, NGOs, foreign media, and others.
 
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Fri Dec 28, 2018 1:00 am

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I don't believe you said that. He's poisoning people in the streets: worldwide.


And who was poisoned and where? Skripals don’t count - nothing is known on that yet. And where are the Skripals themselves?

salttee wrote:
And you don't have to worry about him shooting mobs of Russian protesters (not that he wouldn't), the Russian populace likes strongman dictators, that's all they know; that's all they've ever known. They love him at least as much as other fascist countries of the past loved their dictators.


Russians gave him more than 3/4 of votes for a few reasons - rebuilding the country after “democratic” 90s, economic growth, improvements in living standards. And, last but not least, he did not allow that kind of “rampant democracy” in 2012 that Ukraine is still suffering through after 2014 with no end in sight.
 
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Fri Dec 28, 2018 1:34 am

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I think we also need to remember that many see Putin as having done a lot of great for Russia and a lot of the bad is in spite of him and not because of him

Not defending him or any of his actions but having a good understanding of people and how they think is very important. The average Russian's perception of him is way different, we need to remember this


That makes no sense whatsoever.

We should start taking in the views of the people re:Putin.

That is tantamount to saying that we should consider the views of the people of Lil Kim in North Korea.

Which means squat ...because the minds of the masses in both states are intimidated into their beliefs. Both eliminate any perceived threat to yjei reign.

Our intel agencies have watched him since he was a junior KGB officer. They know his means. methods and tactics...he is Russia. They know it all too well and thank goodness, we have them paying very close to his every word. And his actions all point towards that meaning.

Vladimir (Pooty's first name) ...any idea what that means? Ask any Russian in the know, they will tell you he is living up to his name - to the letter.

So instead of taking the Russian people's views...I'll stick with US Intell's view of Russian matters.

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BN747 wrote:
DeltaMD90 wrote:
I think we also need to remember that many see Putin as having done a lot of great for Russia and a lot of the bad is in spite of him and not because of him

Not defending him or any of his actions but having a good understanding of people and how they think is very important. The average Russian's perception of him is way different, we need to remember this


That makes no sense whatsoever.

We should start taking in the views of the people re:Putin.

That is tantamount to saying that we should consider the views of the people of Lil Kim in North Korea.

Which means squat ...because the minds of the masses in both states are intimidated into their beliefs. Both eliminate any perceived threat to yjei reign.

Our intel agencies have watched him since he was a junior KGB officer. They know his means. methods and tactics...he is Russia. They know it all too well and thank goodness, we have them paying very close to his every word. And his actions all point towards that meaning.

Vladimir (Pooty's first name) ...any idea what that means? Ask any Russian in the know, they will tell you he is living up to his name - to the letter.

So instead of taking the Russian people's views...I'll stick with US Intell's view of Russian matters.

BN747

Woah woah, slow down. I agree with what you're saying. I don't think we should base our policy and dealings with Russia based off what Russians think.

I'm talking about how we (westerners) often view Putin's popularity among Russians through the view of us... this thread touches on that. To understand his popularity and perhaps how we can counter that, we need to understand how the average Russian thinks.

I've had a lot of good talks on this forum with a particular Russian poster. While I start with a pro-western stance and end with a pro-western stance, it's good to get to know how and why he thinks the way he does. It's good to know, especially when you debate an actual Russian. I've found a few on this forum that are willing and able to have a good dialogue, even if we leave with the same opinions.

That's all I'm saying. I think there is value to knowing why your adversary thinks they way they do
 
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Skripals don’t count

Skripals don’t count if you ignore the evidence.
 
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I'm talking about how we (westerners) often view Putin's popularity among Russians through the view of us... this thread touches on that. To understand his popularity and perhaps how we can counter that, we need to understand how the average Russian thinks.

I've had a lot of good talks on this forum with a particular Russian poster. While I start with a pro-western stance and end with a pro-western stance, it's good to get to know how and why he thinks the way he does. It's good to know, especially when you debate an actual Russian. I've found a few on this forum that are willing and able to have a good dialogue, even if we leave with the same opinions.

That's all I'm saying. I think there is value to knowing why your adversary thinks they way they do


Well that approach is like saying 'if we give enough time people will realize Santa isn't real and stop the tradition... how long would that take?

At this very moment there are several brilliant American/Euro documentaries centered on Putin, his alliance with the Roman Orthodox Church and much more. These have been around for the last 5 years.

If Americans haven't seen these, and most have not (because they have no interest), they never will.

So I guess you are pinning these hopes on people finding their way to this forum or something.

The Americans who want to know - KNOW. Those that DO NOT - will not know...they'll be relegated to their extremely limited knowledge which is pretty much something heard in passing.


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Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:16 am

VTKillarney wrote:
salttee wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
it's not like he's shooting people in the streets.

I don't believe you said that. He's poisoning people in the streets: worldwide.

And you don't have to worry about him shooting mobs of Russian protesters (not that he wouldn't), the Russian populace likes strongman dictators, that's all they know; that's all they've ever known. They love him at least as much as other fascist countries of the past loved their dictators.

Are you suggesting that the United States should interfere with a Russian presidential election?


The US has already and will no doubt try and do it again, just like they have in many other countries in South America for instance.
 
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VTKillarney wrote:
salttee wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
it's not like he's shooting people in the streets.

I don't believe you said that. He's poisoning people in the streets: worldwide.

And you don't have to worry about him shooting mobs of Russian protesters (not that he wouldn't), the Russian populace likes strongman dictators, that's all they know; that's all they've ever known. They love him at least as much as other fascist countries of the past loved their dictators.

Are you suggesting that the United States should interfere with a Russian presidential election?


The US has already and will no doubt try and do it again, just like they have in many other countries in South America for instance. Russia is not the only country that interfere in other countries ellections. It's naiv to think that.
 
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Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:29 am

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Leave out the maybe. Bad news for world stability. Putin has played the nationalism card before. So watch out Ukraine. The Crimea incident with the Ukrainian navy might be just the beginning, just to extract the mind of Russians from their personal situation.

Or even NATO targets in Europe: https://themoscowtimes.com/news/kremlin ... rope-63932

Kremlim warns it might start WWIII......
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Fri Dec 28, 2018 2:05 pm

Actually he wants to be president of the US for life (and prime minister of lesser Britain)
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Fri Dec 28, 2018 2:42 pm

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That makes no sense whatsoever.

We should start taking in the views of the people re:Putin.

That is tantamount to saying that we should consider the views of the people of Lil Kim in North Korea.

You really think that the views of US rednecks are intellectual manna from democratic heaven?
Few people elsewhere are more misinformed than the loud masses in the US.

Before the fall of the wall it was interesting to compare peoples view on media.
In East and West information was filtered/selected/improved.
But in the East much more than in the West people knew that a lot was bullshit and lies.
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Mortyman wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
salttee wrote:
I don't believe you said that. He's poisoning people in the streets: worldwide.

And you don't have to worry about him shooting mobs of Russian protesters (not that he wouldn't), the Russian populace likes strongman dictators, that's all they know; that's all they've ever known. They love him at least as much as other fascist countries of the past loved their dictators.

Are you suggesting that the United States should interfere with a Russian presidential election?


The US has already and will no doubt try and do it again, just like they have in many other countries in South America for instance. Russia is not the only country that interfere in other countries ellections. It's naiv to think that.

There's no comparison there; apples are not oranges.

In any event, VT's premise was purely pulled out of his posterior; I never said or implied anything like that.
 
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My guess is he's made so many enemies that the only thing protecting him is his position.


That is true. Putin is very corrupt, thus if he would ever be thrown out of office, he would find himself in jail or worse. That's why he will never resign and will squash any opposition, he cannot afford to be out of office, unless......

..... unless he finds someone like himself whom will protect him and his family. Putin was chosen as a successor to Jeltsin because he has shown in his St. Pietersburg days, that he will protect corrupt politicians after they have left office. And they were correct, Putin has protected Jeltsin and his family even though they were corrupt as hell, together with the oligarchs. The oligarchs whom remained loyal to the new leader got to stay and remained rich, the others were either thrown in jail, murdered or fled Russia.

My guess is that Putin doesn't trust his oligarchs whom are close to him to name a successor and therefore wants to stay after 2022.



No one stays in power forever. What do you suppose Putin’s ultimate fate will be?
 
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Re: Putin Wants To Be President For Life

Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:27 pm

CitizenJustin wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
KICT wrote:
My guess is he's made so many enemies that the only thing protecting him is his position.


That is true. Putin is very corrupt, thus if he would ever be thrown out of office, he would find himself in jail or worse. That's why he will never resign and will squash any opposition, he cannot afford to be out of office, unless......

..... unless he finds someone like himself whom will protect him and his family. Putin was chosen as a successor to Jeltsin because he has shown in his St. Pietersburg days, that he will protect corrupt politicians after they have left office. And they were correct, Putin has protected Jeltsin and his family even though they were corrupt as hell, together with the oligarchs. The oligarchs whom remained loyal to the new leader got to stay and remained rich, the others were either thrown in jail, murdered or fled Russia.

My guess is that Putin doesn't trust his oligarchs whom are close to him to name a successor and therefore wants to stay after 2022.



No one stays in power forever. What do you suppose Putin’s ultimate fate will be?
A lot of dictators have remained in power until their natural deaths. There doesn't seem to be any reason Putin can't pull that off.
 
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Re: Putin Wants To Be President For Life

Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:35 pm

CitizenJustin wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
KICT wrote:
My guess is he's made so many enemies that the only thing protecting him is his position.


That is true. Putin is very corrupt, thus if he would ever be thrown out of office, he would find himself in jail or worse. That's why he will never resign and will squash any opposition, he cannot afford to be out of office, unless......

..... unless he finds someone like himself whom will protect him and his family. Putin was chosen as a successor to Jeltsin because he has shown in his St. Pietersburg days, that he will protect corrupt politicians after they have left office. And they were correct, Putin has protected Jeltsin and his family even though they were corrupt as hell, together with the oligarchs. The oligarchs whom remained loyal to the new leader got to stay and remained rich, the others were either thrown in jail, murdered or fled Russia.

My guess is that Putin doesn't trust his oligarchs whom are close to him to name a successor and therefore wants to stay after 2022.



No one stays in power forever. What do you suppose Putin’s ultimate fate will be?


Probably the same as Jeltsin, the successor will protect Putin and his family and thus he and keep his stolen fortune.
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Re: Putin Wants To Be President For Life

Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:04 pm

WIederling wrote:
BN747 wrote:
That makes no sense whatsoever.

We should start taking in the views of the people re:Putin.

That is tantamount to saying that we should consider the views of the people of Lil Kim in North Korea.

You really think that the views of US rednecks are intellectual manna from democratic heaven?
Few people elsewhere are more misinformed than the loud masses in the US.

Before the fall of the wall it was interesting to compare peoples view on media.
In East and West information was filtered/selected/improved.
But in the East much more than in the West people knew that a lot was bullshit and lies.
Prada : the official truth.


You are completely misinterpreting my comment.

My point is the Russian people could care less of what is on the minds of Americans and in turn MOST Americans have zero interests in their people- considering we have tons of info & documentaries on their society vs their lacking of the same for using on us.

Trust me. You don’t need to tell me how half of America resides in some pretty steep ignorance, I rant about this consistently about that on this forum.

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Re: Putin Wants To Be President For Life

Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:43 pm

BN747 wrote:
You are completely misinterpreting my comment.

My point is the Russian people could care less of what is on the minds of Americans and in turn MOST Americans have zero interests in their people- considering we have tons of info & documentaries on their society vs their lacking of the same for using on us.

Trust me. You don’t need to tell me how half of America resides in some pretty steep ignorance, I rant about this consistently about that on this forum.

BN747

Hmm. I am not quite sure but afaics I can return that statement. .-)

My point was that East block people were a lot less naive about their information sources
than this is the case in the WEST. 100% naive in the US. They seem to believe anything
that is hand fed by fox.news and consorts.
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Re: Putin Wants To Be President For Life

Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:43 am

BN747 wrote:
That makes no sense whatsoever.
We should start taking in the views of the people re:Putin.
That is tantamount to saying that we should consider the views of the people of Lil Kim in North Korea.


Well - you seem to be forgetting that both Russia and North Korea are two independent sovereign nations. And it's up to them to decide who and how governs them, be it Putin in Russia or Kim in NK.

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