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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:21 pm

Dutchy wrote:
You take it way to personal, my American friend.


You, sitting across the ocean have no idea. RACISM is used as a bludgeon in this country. Racist! is about the worst term you can use against a person here and is regularly used to shut down all conversation. A white can no longer criticize a POC (new phrase in the social-justice world Person of Color, or anybody but white) without be accused of racism! Charges of racism! can and often WILL lead to loss of job, career and friends. Yes, it is personal, particularly to those of us who live our lives in many more ways that overcome racism than those hurling the insults. Just look at this forum, people like Tommy will use articles like Der Spiegals to paint a picture of America that is simply not true and millions of electrons will be used to refute that silliness.

jcancel wrote:
The Americans who did notice were the Minnesota residents, right?


According to a Der Spiegel account, the Relotius affair began to unfold in early December, when the reporter received an email from the US:

The message came from a woman named Jan, short for Janet, who was doing media work for a vigilante group in Arizona conducting patrols along the border to Mexico. She asked Relotius—who two weeks earlier had written an article ostensibly about this vigilante group in the darkly dazzling DER SPIEGEL report “Jaeger’s Border”— what exactly he was up to. How, she wanted to know, could Relotius have written about her group without even bothering to stop by for an interview?

The co-author on that piece had already been raising flags about Relotius, which were repeatedly dismissed, but editors eventually started to doubt the award-winning reporter’s accounts.
https://qz.com/1507017/a-german-journal ... far-right/

The story "Jaeger's Border" would prove to be Relotius' undoing. It was one fabricated story too many, because this time, he had a co-author, who sounded the alarm while also collecting facts to counter his fiction. That co-author, Juan Moreno, has been traveling the world as a reporter for DER SPIEGEL since 2007. In the dispute with and surrounding Relotius, Moreno risked his own job, at times even desperately seeking to re-report his colleague's claims at his own expense. Moreno would go through three or four weeks of hell because his colleagues and senior editors in Hamburg didn't initially believe that Relotius could be nothing more than a liar.

In late November and into early December, some at DER SPIEGEL even believed that Moreno was the real phony and that Relotius was the victim of slander. Relotius skillfully parried all allegations and all of Moreno's well-researched evidence, constantly coming up with new ways of sowing doubt, plausibly refuting accusations and twisting the truth in his favor.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zei ... 44755.html

Finding that article proved abit more difficult. Because there was no official translation, searching for "Jaegar's Border" does not provide any links to the article, Search 'jaeger's grenze', http://www.spiegel.de/plus/buergerwehr- ... 0160834460
 
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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:41 pm

mham001 wrote:
Finding that article proved abit more difficult. Because there was no official translation, searching for "Jaegar's Border" does not provide any links to the article, Search 'jaeger's grenze', http://www.spiegel.de/plus/buergerwehr- ... 0160834460


You search for names and authors. That works for all Latin alphabet languages.

IMHO Der Spiegel and the associated journalista all like the Relotious stuff because it fit right in.
They now abandon him for getting exposed and not for faking information.
( There are a range of other weaponized pen swingers around ... )
The nice thing is that Der Spiegel still feels the need to act.
Compare to publications/fabrications from another language domain. :-)
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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:04 pm

mham001 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
You take it way to personal, my American friend.


You, sitting across the ocean have no idea. RACISM is used as a bludgeon in this country. Racist! is about the worst term you can use against a person here and is regularly used to shut down all conversation. A white can no longer criticize a POC (new phrase in the social-justice world Person of Color, or anybody but white) without be accused of racism! Charges of racism! can and often WILL lead to loss of job, career and friends. Yes, it is personal, particularly to those of us who live our lives in many more ways that overcome racism than those hurling the insults. Just look at this forum, people like Tommy will use articles like Der Spiegals to paint a picture of America that is simply not true and millions of electrons will be used to refute that silliness.


Perhaps, from a European perspective, it is way to polarized what you described. If you can't describe anyone with color, how would you like to describe someone other then by its appearance? Racism isn't to describe anyone, racism is the gross generalisation of a group based on some trade, mostly negative of course.
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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:38 pm

Big surprise.
The vast MAJORITY of the media are liberals.
Combine that with Freedom of Speech in Journalism is unheard of in most of the world.

The Liberal Mainstream Media is societal manipulation on a grand scale.
Especially in countries where the Government dictates what can and what can't be discussed.
Here in the US the Liberal Media has become an extension of the current Liberal/Socialist Party, (the remnants of the old so-called Democratic Party).

So it should be no surprise to anyone who seeks out the other side of the story----- and there always is one, that the European's are being manipulated like the rest of us.
Mental complacency and laziness is the kool-aid of the masses and these days the general public are lined up at the bowl.

Oh, and just to get some people up to date-------Fox News is a LEFT of Center, cable news outlet subject to the same ratings based manipulation as the other Far Left outlets such as CNN,ABC,CBS,NBC,MSNBC,etc.
If Fox appears to some people as a Right-Wing leaning source of entertainment then I would suggest it shows how far to the Left those people are.
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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:08 am

ImperialEagle wrote:
Big surprise.
The vast MAJORITY of the media are liberals.
Combine that with Freedom of Speech in Journalism is unheard of in most of the world.
.............................
If Fox appears to some people as a Right-Wing leaning source of entertainment then I would suggest it shows how far to the Left those people are.


Is this your entry into A.net's runoff "best user provided piece of satire"?

if not you are the super example of right wing echo chamber effects.
ImperialEagle wrote:
"The Liberal Mainstream Media is societal manipulation on a grand scale.
Especially in countries where the Government dictates what can and what can't be discussed."


Could you point out some examples, please?
I'd associate "not allowed to discuss" more with authoritarian and/or autocratic regimes.
This and "liberal (media or whatever) " is afaics mutually exclusive.
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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:59 pm

Disclaimer: trying to explain how media bias is not really left bias at all; instead I would call it conservative bias.

Trump is in my view more liberal than Clinton was. Trump (tries to) appeal directly to the middle class, whereas the billionaires preferred Clinton. Despite the taxes. I think you will see that while Tim Cook and other such figures agreed the Trump corporate tax plan was exactly what the country needed, they much preferred Clinton because of her comfortable protection of the upper classes.

In the US, billionaires, the press and academics closely identify with the government. The government directly funds maybe 5 million affluent or wealthy professionals in its own right, especially if you include healthcare. And many profitable businesses primarily work for the government. Federal, state and local spending totals almost 50% of the US economy.

HRC was also more hawkish from a military perspective. She is also in favor of lower wages for working people, while Trump is in favor of higher wages. The key points there are immigration and trade. Pretty self explanatory. Trump says screw the benefits of trade if it hurts 51% of the electoral voters. And obviously he is right, from a political science point of view. How an idiot like him could outsmart HRC's 98% share of "smart" intellectuals is beyond baffling. It is the scandal of the decade.

Clinton was protecting tradition and the status quo, uniformly supported by the coasts/upper classes. Trump was a radical insurgent from middle US / middle classes. At least that is how I see it. Anybody worth over $1 billion passionately arguing for low wages is not a "liberal." They are ultra-right. And dozens of them supported Clinton.
 
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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:46 am

More and more, the invented journalism is getting the spotlight. A good sign that at least some of the masses are stepping away from the kool-aid bowl .
This appears to be the case where the latest attempt by NBC to lie to the public has been exposed.
Here's the link to Breitbart:

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/201 ... christmas/

Begrudgingly admitted, but,still no transparency especially the "unnamed source". Journalists have been using this excuse with nauseating regularity to the point that I immediately check for sources before even bothering to read an article these days.

Cable Network's, and their "Ratings Based" business models have made a joke out of reporting "News".( Sadly most of the public admits they think the media is biased and the "news" distorted-----and THEN they continue to watch it anyway!!!! Complacent and mentally-lazy sheeple).
It has become an insidious method of propagandizing in the name of "entertainment", instead.

The European people know things aren't right.
Their so-called "news" outlents either do not report things at all or they distort what they do report,just like here in the US.
BUT, the people on the street-----the average working Joe-----KNOWS things are NOT right. In London stabbings and acid attacks have become as common as murders in Chicago. Unless it's High-Profile the media doesn't mention it.

There is currently a modern-day exodus of Jewish people leaving Europe for Israel. Especially France. The Jewish Relief services can hardly keep up with the intake and the Government is having to jump through hoops as well. An unprecedented level of anti-semitism has been imported along with the refugees, attacks at Jewish businesses, shooting, stabbings and beatings are so common place in some neighborhoods that even non-Jews are afraid to come out.
But, not a PEEP on the liberal mainstream media channels about it. (Unless, of course, there is a Charlie Hedbo type shoot-out and the media are FORCED to report something.)

Germany is rife with gang-rapes, and has been for a few years now. The influx of refugees the current Government has allowed to flood into the country contains thousands of criminals and others who believe they have the right to pillage and plunder whatever they wish.
Their Government, and their (so-called) News Outlets don't report it--------but,-------the average people on the street are well aware of what's happening. The people know damned well what they see with their own eyes.

Sadly, it's the Hague that controls the European Journalists. A VERY SCARY situation.

The Media is all about making $$$$$$$.
They do not, and do not HAVE to INFORM us about ANYTHING. They need only entertain the simple-minded sheeple. And, they do.
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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Fri Dec 28, 2018 1:21 pm

ImperialEagle wrote:
More and more, the invented journalism is getting the spotlight. A good sign that at least some of the masses are stepping away from the kool-aid bowl .
This appears to be the case where the latest attempt by NBC to lie to the public has been exposed.
Here's the link to Breitbart:

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/201 ... christmas/

Begrudgingly admitted, but,still no transparency especially the "unnamed source". Journalists have been using this excuse with nauseating regularity to the point that I immediately check for sources before even bothering to read an article these days.

Cable Network's, and their "Ratings Based" business models have made a joke out of reporting "News".( Sadly most of the public admits they think the media is biased and the "news" distorted-----and THEN they continue to watch it anyway!!!! Complacent and mentally-lazy sheeple).
It has become an insidious method of propagandizing in the name of "entertainment", instead.

The European people know things aren't right.
Their so-called "news" outlents either do not report things at all or they distort what they do report,just like here in the US.
BUT, the people on the street-----the average working Joe-----KNOWS things are NOT right. In London stabbings and acid attacks have become as common as murders in Chicago. Unless it's High-Profile the media doesn't mention it.

There is currently a modern-day exodus of Jewish people leaving Europe for Israel. Especially France. The Jewish Relief services can hardly keep up with the intake and the Government is having to jump through hoops as well. An unprecedented level of anti-semitism has been imported along with the refugees, attacks at Jewish businesses, shooting, stabbings and beatings are so common place in some neighborhoods that even non-Jews are afraid to come out.
But, not a PEEP on the liberal mainstream media channels about it. (Unless, of course, there is a Charlie Hedbo type shoot-out and the media are FORCED to report something.)

Germany is rife with gang-rapes, and has been for a few years now. The influx of refugees the current Government has allowed to flood into the country contains thousands of criminals and others who believe they have the right to pillage and plunder whatever they wish.
Their Government, and their (so-called) News Outlets don't report it--------but,-------the average people on the street are well aware of what's happening. The people know damned well what they see with their own eyes.

Sadly, it's the Hague that controls the European Journalists. A VERY SCARY situation.

The Media is all about making $$$$$$$.
They do not, and do not HAVE to INFORM us about ANYTHING. They need only entertain the simple-minded sheeple. And, they do.


What ever is wrong with reporting here. You apparently are quite a bit further over the table border on the right side
than you allege the media to be over the left side.
Breitbart truth, horray!

French Jews emigrating to Israel actually seem to go more down than up.
you can look at the German statistics on Rape and you will afaics not find what you see as truth.
( as it happens we really did have some kind of crime rage here. about 20..30years back.
the group was "Spätheimkehrer" and they initially counted statistic wise as "native".
made it rather difficult to come to grips with raised crime levels. )
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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Fri Dec 28, 2018 2:46 pm

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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:18 am

From Breitbart Jerusalem:

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2 ... ench-jews/

If you think this article is a lie then perhaps you can go ask the people over at the Haaretz ;)

Oh, and just to get you up to speed-----

From the Gatestone Institute (Geo-Political), waaaaay back in 2012:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3119 ... ing-france

2017
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1051 ... tisemitism

Early 2018
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1190 ... tisemitism
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12121/france-no-jews

Perhaps your Liberal Mainstream Media has left you a bit, shall we say, uninformed. :D
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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:01 am

Now, back to Der Spiegel---------here's a few articles they didn't have a thing to say about. If they are all a pack of lies----then why hasn't Der Spiegel been screaming bloody murder? Because it is the truth, and the Liberal Mainstream Media do not want to mention a word about it. If they make too much noise the "sheeple" might take notice! But, the "sheeple" already know what is going on. :D

From Gatestone:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9229 ... awlessness

2017:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9934 ... pe-january

2018:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1249 ... pe-feldman

Oh, and, there's plenty more.

The people know what is going on. It's the Liberal Mainstream Media marching in lock-step with the EU elitists.
And then----- there are the Yellow Vests------- ;)
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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:06 am

Wait a moment, let me gather some "facts" from the Socialist Worker, so I can counter your "arguments".
 
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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:06 am

ImperialEagle wrote:
From Gatestone
Your source is trash.
The Gatestone Institute (formerly Stonegate Institute and Hudson New York) is a right-wing[2][3][4] anti-Muslim[a] think tank with a focus on Islam and the Middle East.

The organization has attracted attention for publishing false articles and being a source of viral falsehoods.[5][6][7][8][9]

Gatestone was founded in 2012 by Nina Rosenwald, who serves as its president.[10] Former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John R. Bolton, now national security advisor, was its chairman from 2013 to March 2018..[11][12][13]

2. Ramesh, Randeep (December 30, 2014). "Rightwing thinktank pulls funds for Commons groups after disclosure row". The Guardian.
3. Jaffe-Walter, Reva (March 16, 2016). Coercive Concern: Nationalism, Liberalism, and the Schooling of Muslim Youth. Stanford University Press.
4. Sengupta, Kim (March 14, 2017). Secretive American conservatives are helping bankroll Geert Wilders' Dutch election campaign. The Independent.
5. "John Bolton chaired anti-Muslim think tank". NBC News. Retrieved April 23, 2018.
6. "Nein, in Hamburg werden keine Wohnungsbesitzer für Flüchtlinge enteignet". CORRECTIV (in German). May 17, 2017.
7. Carol Matlack (January 14, 2015). "Debunking the Myth of Muslim-Only Zones in Major European Cities". Bloomberg.com.
8. "False: European Union Gag Order On Revealing Muslim Terrorists' Religion". Snopes.com. November 18, 2016.
9. Fang, Lee (March 23, 2018). "John Bolton Chairs an Actual "Fake News" Publisher Infamous for Spreading Anti-Muslim Hate". The Intercept.
11. "John Bolton chaired anti-Muslim think tank". NBC News. April 23, 2018.
12. "Former UN Ambassador John R. Bolton Joins Gatestone Institute as Chairman". Gatestone Institute. July 17, 2013. Retrieved August 26, 2013.
13. Max Blumenthal. "The Sugar Mama of Anti-Muslim Hate". The Nation.
 
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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:22 am

Just to qualify ImperialBirds sources:
WP:EN wrote:
The Gatestone Institute (formerly Stonegate Institute and Hudson New York) is a right-wing[2][3][4] anti-Muslim[a] think tank with a focus on Islam and the Middle East. The organization has attracted attention for publishing false articles and being a source of viral falsehoods.

ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatestone_Institute

then my graphic was from Haaretz. You may not have notices.
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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:36 am

mham001 wrote:
You, sitting across the ocean have no idea. RACISM is used as a bludgeon in this country.


I've come across some funnies on youtube :
Expacts of color finding racism every second of their life in Germany.

Some issues I could follow.
Some are so outlandish you have to check mental health.
lastly:
In some cases it is just people being polite: if you expect it you get it :-)
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Re: Der Spiegel - "Institutional Bias"

Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:27 pm

From today's Brietbart:

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/1 ... dquarters/

Well, how 'bout that.
Funny thing, nary a mention of it on the US LMSM. Big surprise.

Wierderling, I think it's time for you to step back from the kool-aid bowl, dude, 'cause all that the LMSM has done is left you in the den of ignorance. :D
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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:53 am

mham001 wrote:
Just look at this forum, people like Tommy will use articles like Der Spiegals to paint a picture of America that is simply not true and millions of electrons will be used to refute that silliness.


Well, you are imagining things..... i rarely ever post Spiegel links, or any German links, unless the content is not (yet) available in Englisch. I don´t even read US stories in the Spiegel, why would i when local media is easily available and other English speaking countries media removes the risk of things getting lost in translation. Heck, since they defended torture in a 2002 front page article i probably didn´t buy more than 5 editions of that weekly magazine.

ImperialEagle wrote:
Germany is rife with gang-rapes, and has been for a few years now.


yeah.... we do have a gang rape problem, since Teenage girl gangs started raping other teenage girls with objects fairly frequently about a decade ago, and women only make about 1.x % of all reported rapes.

Different from the misinformation campaign you are trying here, can i say fake poster, 2017 was the year with the lowest incident rate for raid like group rapes in over 25 years, since 1991 to be precise, and among the lowest number for all gang rapes, there is one year about 1% lower (wohoooo) since the year 2000. And that includes a significantly expanded definition of rape since 2016.

e influx of refugees the current Government has allowed to flood into the country contains thousands of criminals and others who believe they have the right to pillage and plunder whatever they wish.


Well, in the real world, that mystic place you apparently never been to, refugees from Syria and Iraq have shown themselves to be less criminal than German citizens. Refugees from Northern Africa do not, in fact that small group is responsible for a way, way, way disproportionate number of crimes, but they are not "let in", those are the ones that have been denied asylum and just could not be send back yet, their home countries refusing to do so, and you can not put them into an A400M, strap parachutes onto their back and toss them out the rear over Tunisia.

The people know damned well what they see with their own eyes.


So... how many group rapes did you witness then? Did you just watch or did you do anything? Or what is your definition of "own eyes". I know more that half a dozen rape victims personally, yet i have never seen anyone being raped with my own eyes. I would assume usually only victim and perp do.

The Media is all about making $$$$$$$.


Yeah.. they are having a business after all and in Europe are much, much, much more bound to being truthful than in the US since lying is not protected speech.

They do not, and do not HAVE to INFORM us about ANYTHING. They need only entertain the simple-minded sheeple. And, they do.


So, you don´t get your knowledge from news media, nor from data .... well, that only leaves making shit up ... as you obviously do.

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Re: Der Spiegel - "Institutional Bias"

Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:21 am

ImperialEagle wrote:
From today's Brietbart:

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/1 ... dquarters/

Well, how 'bout that.
. :D


It is difficult to fail to notice that the Breitbart article pretends barricades and trashcans sponanously combusted ..... or that those competent truth seekers at Breitbart used the same paragraph a whole seven times making up half the text.

Boy, they really can and do rely on their "readers" not reading beyond the first few sentences. ...

Thank you for the demonstration of your news reading skills.

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Re: Der Spiegel - "Institutional Bias"

Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:06 pm

Oh, yes. Typical reaction from far-leftists. De-legitimize and deny,deny,deny. Only liberal news sources could possibly be correct. Their message coming from the lips of some distant god, I suppose. Whatever.
Thank heavens there are some alternative sources of information! Those of us who search it out all are all too familiar with how the liberal mainstream media operates:
Here is a link to an old Newsbusters article that shows pretty clearly how Der Speigel is right in there with all the other far-left story tellers.
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/ti ... x-klan-fan

And the Rape Crises in Germany perpetuated by the mass influx of immigrants from another culture.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8663 ... rants-rape

and:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9934 ... pe-january
This one certainly explains why Thomas is so ignorant when it comes to stastics. ;)

and more recently:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1249 ... pe-feldman
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Re: Der Spiegel - "Institutional Bias"

Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:51 pm

An interesting op/ed in today's Federalist about the Der Speigel debacle:

http://thefederalist.com/2019/01/04/ame ... iars-ever/
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Re: Der Spiegel - "Institutional Bias"

Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:15 am

ImperialEagle wrote:
Oh, yes. Typical reaction from far-leftists. De-legitimize and deny,deny,deny. Only liberal news sources could possibly be correct.


I am going by law enforcement statistics, you are going with fantasy.

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Re: Der Spiegel - "Institutional Bias"

Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:32 am

ImperialEagle wrote:
An interesting op/ed in today's Federalist about the Der Speigel debacle:

http://thefederalist.com/2019/01/04/ame ... iars-ever/


Well to be fair, there is no substance in that editorial, but it is true that American elites say middle class / middle American people are good for nothing, racist, ignorant etc. Meanwhile the literacy rates, educational attainment, work accomplishments etc of the American working class were actually quite impressive. Germans of a certain age would know that. Yes, I just went there.

But these days, if you're not on the coasts, you're not even a human, and you are nothing, say the media. Germans may be receiving this secondhand from our coastal media.

I would re-phrase that as German elites and our cosmopolitan elite are actually in the same social circle, and they, together, regard normal Americans as brainless marks who one can demonize for profit and virtue aggrandizement.

The American middle class are like Rodney Dangerfield, no respect, even though they pretty much built everything and put men on the moon. I just think it is a little strange.
 
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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:41 am

DGVT wrote:
Der Spiegel is definitely left leaning and in general I agree that European media is often overly (artificially) critical of the US, but that doesn't mean that the continent doesn't have credible journalists. If you are willing to pay Germany, Switzerland and the UK for example (e.g. FAZ, NZZ, FT or the Economist) offer quality journalism. As a matter of fact I don't know a US newspaper that is as good as those mentioned.

If you don't want to pay and prefer reading those free online services like the BBC etc. or watch TV you generally get the usual garbage just like all around the world.

I fully agree with your assessment and this post would have been a wonderful end for this discussion. I would add Süddeutsche Zeitung to your list of good journalism.

Der Spiegel is definitely left leaning. And everybody in Germany knows it. I personally call it the Bild newspaper (or Sun or any kind of yellow press) for leftist. And this is not meant to be offensive. I guess it‘s simply because even leftist want to read some „light stuff“ from time to time.

When I read a magazine of Der Spiegel (typically during flight, I would never pay for it) I try to concentrate on the facts but skip their interpretation at the end of each article.
 
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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:10 am

Turns out the Americans who did notice it commissioned a professional translation to be sure of what they were reading, but after that chose not to speak up as they thought it was just an example of lazy overseas journalism and didnt want to give it more publicity. It was only when Relotius was exposed did they decide to come out

tommy1808 wrote:
jcancel wrote:
I noticed Der Spiegel translates articles into English but apparently Relotius's weren't.


They only do so for very few articles....

If they were, he would have been caught sooner (in regards to US articles).


Two US readers actually did notice it....

In the future Der Spiegel articles about the US should be translated into English.


You'll pay for it?

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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:16 am

jcancel wrote:
Turns out the Americans who did notice it commissioned a professional translation to be sure of what they were reading, but after that chose not to speak up as they thought it was just an example of lazy overseas journalism and didnt want to give it more publicity. It was only when Relotius was exposed did they decide to come out


Becker wrote:
According to Relotius' portrayal, "Neil Becker," a Trump voter, what a hard-working coal shoveler at the local power plant who has spent his working life attending to a conveyor belt and what reluctant to travel. Douglas Becker, on the other hand, on the real Becker, who is in Lincoln Avenue for 34 years and is familiar with almost every airport in the United States. He ships packages for UPS. Hey, sells used records on the side.

He laughs when I ask him if he's angry. This is to the mayor. "I first thought the article was a piece of satire," says Becker. "I do not feel offended at all." He says he thought the writer was friendly - and he still does today. A nice guy. Becker says he's worried about him.


http://www.tellerreport.com/news/--ferg ... R5ae4.html

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Re: Der Spiegal - "Institutional Bias"

Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:52 am

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 8-amp.html

Thanks for the link! DS has an official English version here...

tommy1808 wrote:
jcancel wrote:
Turns out the Americans who did notice it commissioned a professional translation to be sure of what they were reading, but after that chose not to speak up as they thought it was just an example of lazy overseas journalism and didnt want to give it more publicity. It was only when Relotius was exposed did they decide to come out


Becker wrote:
According to Relotius' portrayal, "Neil Becker," a Trump voter, what a hard-working coal shoveler at the local power plant who has spent his working life attending to a conveyor belt and what reluctant to travel. Douglas Becker, on the other hand, on the real Becker, who is in Lincoln Avenue for 34 years and is familiar with almost every airport in the United States. He ships packages for UPS. Hey, sells used records on the side.

He laughs when I ask him if he's angry. This is to the mayor. "I first thought the article was a piece of satire," says Becker. "I do not feel offended at all." He says he thought the writer was friendly - and he still does today. A nice guy. Becker says he's worried about him.


http://www.tellerreport.com/news/--ferg ... R5ae4.html

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