Had Putin just admitted right off the bat it was a rebel force acting way too wrecklessly and idk, made all responsible "disappear", I think it would've mostly blown over
You seem to have convinced yourself that "it was a rebel force" manning the TELAR and that they were inept; do you have some source of information that supports your idea? I've never seen anything to support that speculation at all and logic dictates that it would have been Russian soldiers manning the TELAR.
Edit: before reading my way too long of a post, are you saying you don't think it was a rebel force, you think it was Russian? My rereading of your post now makes me think that, I wrote my response based on my previous reading where I thought you were absolving Russian or Russian back forces from the downing...
IDK, I'd have to look up the old threads because it was a long time ago and it's not a bunch of info I have memorized. What I saw years ago was enough to put me in the "the rebels shot it down" camp.
Not a great answer but I can't retain all knowledge on all events I've ever formed opinions on, and erase my opinions as soon as I forget a lot of the background information in a few weeks.
Same reason I have opinions that 9/11 wasn't done by Bush or Israel, that the moon landings weren't fake, Sandy Hook wasn't staged, etc. I'd have to look up exact reasons to counter whatever random argument is thrown at it. In this case, I don't see a good reason to dig up all that info unless new evidence emerges or a very compelling argument is made.
So yeah, my mind is made up, and I came to that conclusion based off the evidence I saw and jettisoned from my brain to fit other more important facts in.
But I'll hear you out... In the simplest of nutshells, it seems like Russia was backing certain militias and arming them (don't think there is any controversy there so far,) provided weapons including BUKs, due to oversights or underestimation or even incompetence MH17 was allowed to fly into this airspace, rebels either misidentified due to lack of training/assumed airliners wouldn't be flying in a warzone/both and shot it down.
Seem to remember hearing phone recordings (yeah I guess anything could have been faked,) BS about a Ukrainian fighter shooting it down which Russia seems to have abandoned but I see still argued by random people, Russia presenting evidence that the BUK that downed MH17 (Russia saying it's a BUK is why I said that Russia has abandoned the fighter theory) which doesn't make sense at all to me based off the lack of an air threat by the rebels and the direction of MH17 (unless, oh no, conspiracy by Ukraine!)
So yeah, I'm not properly armed and read up on everything to convince the world, I admit that. I'm saying I had enough to personally convince me and I'm not going to abandon that position simply because I don't remember it all. But that ^ is what I remember from it all, some of it could be misremembered so again, don't take any minor detail as an admission that my opinion is completely invalid, I'd normally look things up more when I shift into "convince others" mode.
But I'm more than happy to hear what you have to say and will take what you say onboard and change my views on it all, or not. Sorry for the novel-long post