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DNA Tested

Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:23 am

So, with all the BS going on last month, I thought I'd give the DNA thing a shot. Ancestry.com had a $69 deal going on, so I went ahead and spit into the tube and sent it back to them. They said 6-8 weeks, but the results came back this morning.

No real surprises, based on the regions in Greece my parents came from.

Greece and the Balkans...44%
Italy...30%
Turkey and the Caucasus...21%
Middle East...4%
Baltic States...1%

I'd be interested in what my wife's make-up is, but she is resistant to doing it. Her dad is German/Irish, her Mom is Italian/Irish, though both sides of her family are 3 or more generations removed from their respective homelands.

Anyone else do the DNA thing?
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Re: DNA Tested

Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:46 am

I did.

Ancestry DNA has since refreshed the results and they came out as follows:
Portugal: 39%
Spain: 16%
Native American: 14%
Bantu: 9%
France: 4%
Italy: 4%
European Jewish: 3%

Everything else is about 1%. Main point: 55% Iberian Peninsula (White), 16% Native American, 9% African (Black), and the rest scattered throughout.
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Re: DNA Tested

Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:07 am

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I did.

Portugal: 39%
Spain: 16%


I'm surprised that they break that region out along political boundaries.
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Re: DNA Tested

Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:28 am

I did mine back in 2016, but they’ve since refined my results, as they have a lot more samples now to compare to. Now 96% British Isles, with the main part which they called Genetic Communities in 2016, from the Limerick, Waterford, Dublin area (Southern Ireland). The rest was Scandinavia and Africa. How far do they trace it back? The site says that since AncestryDNA first launched, they've continued to add new regions and improve the precision of results. DNA research is a fast-paced, cutting-edge field, and you can expect us to make more advancements as DNA science evolves. Your DNA doesn’t change, but the science we use to analyze it does. Your results may change over time as the science improves. I did however get a different result with MyHeritage, not vastly of course, but the results were more spread into southern Europe, as was the initial result with the above aforementioned site.
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Re: DNA Tested

Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:37 am

fr8mech wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
I did.

Portugal: 39%
Spain: 16%


I'm surprised that they break that region out along political boundaries.


historic, geographic, cultural and language differences produced the political boundaries :-)
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Re: DNA Tested

Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:42 am

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historic, geographic, cultural and language differences produced the political boundaries :-)


My point exactly. DNA doesn't "know" political divisions. I certainly don't claim to be an expert on the matter, but I would have thought people who originate from that part of the world would be identified more as a region...Iberian, maybe.
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Re: DNA Tested

Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:56 am

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WIederling wrote:
historic, geographic, cultural and language differences produced the political boundaries :-)


My point exactly. DNA doesn't "know" political divisions. I certainly don't claim to be an expert on the matter, but I would have thought people who originate from that part of the world would be identified more as a region...Iberian, maybe.


it is genetic Portuguese resp. Spanish derivation.

Today's political boundaries reflect the longstanding genetic/cultural differentiation.
Most European boundaries are not synthetic like in the Americas, Africa and the Middle East.
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Re: DNA Tested

Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:56 am

I like the history of the regions they provide on the site also. I am keen to see how the whole site evolves and what enhancements they come up with that are not part of an ongoing subscription - which is pricey. I had it for a time but let it lapse, reinstating it just once so far for a six month period.

I find it interesting with this whole DNA thing, that having got other family members to do it and compare, I think that even though I look like and am more like my paternal grandparents, the paternal side of Scottish and north-western Europe did not come up near as high as the Irish result, that is the maternal side. I think the MyHeritage goes more into the science and breakdowns of these type of things. Many more discoveries to be made in this field for sure.
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Re: DNA Tested

Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:04 am

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I like the history of the regions they provide on the site also.


I'm just discovering that part of the website now. It's interesting to read. Of course, it begs more questions, so I go into that great fishing hole called Wikipedia to flesh things out a bit more.
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:10 am

I would be interested to know. As far as I know, my family from both sides are from the north of The Netherlands, many generations, they were (and some are) farmers. On the other hand, my appearance is somewhat Mediterranean. Some people did think that I came from Israel, Italy or Spain. :shock:

I hesitate to go to a company like MyHeritage. They sell your DNA (probably in anonymized data form, but still) to drug companies. So I do not trust companies like these.
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Re: DNA Tested

Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:42 am

fr8mech wrote:
WIederling wrote:
historic, geographic, cultural and language differences produced the political boundaries :-)


My point exactly. DNA doesn't "know" political divisions. I certainly don't claim to be an expert on the matter, but I would have thought people who originate from that part of the world would be identified more as a region...Iberian, maybe.

Well, they mention current day boundaries. I'm pretty certain that if you have Greco-Italian DNA you're not exactly Roman, and saying you're Mediterranean is still too broad a definition. The old results placed emphasis on regions (so I was nearly 66% Iberian Peninsula), but that doesn't tell me much about where within the region my ancestors possibly came from. The new results narrow down based on present-day boundaries (so the fact that I have more Portuguese than Spaniard is surprising).
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Re: DNA Tested

Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:01 pm

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The new results narrow down based on present-day boundaries (so the fact that I have more Portuguese than Spaniard is surprising).


Depends on genetic diffusion ( population mobility ) , doesn't it?

For some Swiss alpine valleys you can point to the exact valley some person was born into.
( assuming you have proper reference DNA. They also have ( used to have ) per valley dialects.)
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Re: DNA Tested

Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:11 pm

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einsteinboricua wrote:
The new results narrow down based on present-day boundaries (so the fact that I have more Portuguese than Spaniard is surprising).


Depends on genetic diffusion ( population mobility ) , doesn't it?

Well, let's not forget that Portugal and Spain were, for a while, united, so there's that possibility as well.
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Re: DNA Tested

Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:36 pm

Had mine done a couple of years ago, given to me as a gift by my wife. The results, not surprisingly, were 99% Irish 1% Iberian Region. Obviously, the Spanish Armada made landfall in Ireland!!
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Re: DNA Tested

Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:05 pm

With the crimes I've committed through the years there's no way I'm giving my DNA to anyone without a warrant.
 
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Re: DNA Tested

Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:42 pm

I did it and was something like 50% italian 30% german 20% belgian or something
so basically short, fair hair and with Bierbauch
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Re: DNA Tested

Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:43 pm

Uh oh, fr8, 4% Middle Eastern? Sounds like you’ve literally got some “sleeper cells.”
 
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Re: DNA Tested

Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:55 am

I have a rare craniofacial syndrome called Treacher Collins syndrome, caused (mainly) by mutations in the gene TCOF1, although two other genes (POLR1C and -D) are also implicated in causing some forms of TCS. I would like to be sequenced and tested for the particular mutation in my case.

I'm also first generation Irish-American, so would like to trace my genetic lineage.

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Re: DNA Tested

Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:45 am

The Iberian peninsula was conquered by "Moors" and stayed under their control for centuries so everyone that can be linked to that region probably has some Middle Eastern/North African DNA. I guess they take that into account when saying you are X% Spanish.

MassAppeal wrote:
With the crimes I've committed through the years there's no way I'm giving my DNA to anyone without a warrant.


If someone in your extended family does it you might be screwed anyway.

Personally I'll wait for cheap home DNA sequencers so my data can stay private.
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Re: DNA Tested

Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:51 am

Well I know if I got my DNA tested it’d be 100% American.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:12 pm

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I have a rare craniofacial syndrome called Treacher Collins syndrome, caused (mainly) by mutations in the gene TCOF1, although two other genes (POLR1C and -D) are also implicated in causing some forms of TCS. I would like to be sequenced and tested for the particular mutation in my case.

With all the time you've spent in and around hospitals on both sides of the exam table, I'm genuinely surprised you haven't yet.

SmithAir747 wrote:
I'm also first generation Irish-American, so would like to trace my genetic lineage.

I'd imagine Ireland to be a place where you might be able to trace it back to a specific village or small region.
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Re: DNA Tested

Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:51 pm

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European Jewish: 3%


Yay, expanding our numbers! (My sister did a test recently and found out we are like 5% Ashkenazi Jewish)

The rest of the test was unsurprising, 95ish% Eastern European or Slavic, can't remember the exact term. I'm just surprised it wasn't 100%
 
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Re: DNA Tested

Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:18 pm

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Uh oh, fr8, 4% Middle Eastern? Sounds like you’ve literally got some “sleeper cells.”


Not really unexpected...actually, I thought the percentage would be higher, but the Turk part may account for some of my expectation.
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:51 pm

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Personally I'll wait for cheap home DNA sequencers so my data can stay private.


The Brits have come up with a portable DNA sequencer, the size of a USB hard drive or mobile phone, that can be used at doctors' surgeries, clinics, and at home. It's called the MinION, by Oxford Nanopore Technologies.

https://nanoporetech.com/

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Re: DNA Tested

Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:55 pm

my family genealogy chart doesn't match my DNA testing. So all those years of research was kind of a waste.
55% UK, French, 20% 13% Italian 7% German 3% Greece and very small amounts of other European countries.

The biggest shocker, is that i have Jewish grandmother with no Jewish DNA and my dad was not adopted.
i guess it's good they are dead and none the wiser that apparently there was a whole lot of cheating going on for this to happen.
kind of sad only because my grandmother felt persecuted for nothing.
 
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Re: DNA Tested

Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:37 pm

SmithAir747 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Personally I'll wait for cheap home DNA sequencers so my data can stay private.


The Brits have come up with a portable DNA sequencer, the size of a USB hard drive or mobile phone, that can be used at doctors' surgeries, clinics, and at home. It's called the MinION, by Oxford Nanopore Technologies.

https://nanoporetech.com/

SmithAir747


Thanks, it's almost affordable, not much time to wait for me.
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:14 am

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... with Bierbauch


That is more of an occupational risk than a genetic feature, isn't it?
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I went ahead and spit into the tube


Gross.
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On the other hand, my appearance is somewhat Mediterranean. Some people did think that I came from Israel, Italy or Spain. :shock:


Did they have key parties in the Netherlands around the time you were conceived??
 
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Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:19 am

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Well I know if I got my DNA tested it’d be 100% American.


So you’re pure blood Native American?
 
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Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:39 am

I've had some curiosity in this but really am waiting for prices in more detailed full genome mapping to come down. I'm more interested in why I have a weird cluster of rare genetic disorders and if they have any kind of genetic relationship to each other.

As far as my heritage goes, it's pretty well documented until reaching back to 1700s and 1600s, where expectedly documentation gets really spotty.

There is a couple of things I'm curious about: why people sometimes mistake me for "asian" or "chinese" when as far as I know I'm white with an "Elizabeth Warren" sized drop of Native American ancestry. I can't look *that* native. But in my mom's pictures from her youth even I could mistake her for being east/southeast asian.

There's also been a family legend that we are descendants of Mary Queen of Scots, I'm really curious if there's a way of verifying that. It would imply she had illegitimate children which is damn hard to hide when you're a woman. It would be historically significant to find that her lineage hadn't actually died out.

And lastly my last name is Swedish, but I once read it has origins with Finnish immigrants to Sweden. My grandfather would be rolling in his grave if it was discovered we were actually Finns.
 
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Re: DNA Tested

Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:05 am

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Dutchy wrote:
On the other hand, my appearance is somewhat Mediterranean. Some people did think that I came from Israel, Italy or Spain. :shock:


Did they have key parties in the Netherlands around the time you were conceived??


?
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Re: DNA Tested

Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:11 am

Dutchy wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
On the other hand, my appearance is somewhat Mediterranean. Some people did think that I came from Israel, Italy or Spain. :shock:


Did they have key parties in the Netherlands around the time you were conceived??


?


That went over your head.

Key Party

A couples party where all of the men put their car keys into a bowl or bag and at the end of the party, the women blindly select a set of keys to determine who she goes home with for the rest of the evening for sexual gratification.
 
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Re: DNA Tested

Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:22 am

Kiwirob wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:

Did they have key parties in the Netherlands around the time you were conceived??


?


That went over your head.

Key Party

A couples party where all of the men put their car keys into a bowl or bag and at the end of the party, the women blindly select a set of keys to determine who she goes home with for the rest of the evening for sexual gratification.



Right, your only aim was to insult me. :roll:

I didn't think of that, but I guess I thought to much of you, my bad. Thanks for correcting me.
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Re: DNA Tested

Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:23 am

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On the other hand, my appearance is somewhat Mediterranean. Some people did think that I came from Israel, Italy or Spain. :shock:


You made this comment, how else are people supposed to interpret it?
 
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Re: DNA Tested

Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:19 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
On the other hand, my appearance is somewhat Mediterranean. Some people did think that I came from Israel, Italy or Spain. :shock:


You made this comment, how else are people supposed to interpret it?


I don't know, face value perhaps? You decided to go with insulting me, your choice, man. I know whom said it, so it doesn't do much to me but it shows what kind of character you have.


More like how does he know what a "key party" is because I sure as hell didn't. It's disturbing that this kind of thing exists.
 
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Re: DNA Tested

Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:28 pm

Jouhou wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:

You made this comment, how else are people supposed to interpret it?


I don't know, face value perhaps? You decided to go with insulting me, your choice, man. I know whom said it, so it doesn't do much to me but it shows what kind of character you have.


More like how does he know what a "key party" is because I sure as hell didn't. It's disturbing that this kind of thing exists.

More like "existed", as key parties had their heyday during the 1970s, though they may still go on here and there.
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Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:09 pm

TSS wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

I don't know, face value perhaps? You decided to go with insulting me, your choice, man. I know whom said it, so it doesn't do much to me but it shows what kind of character you have.


More like how does he know what a "key party" is because I sure as hell didn't. It's disturbing that this kind of thing exists.

More like "existed", as key parties had their heyday during the 1970s, though they may still go on here and there.


Sure, and they still excited, don't participate in those, though. I like more in-depth relationships before I go for it. But that is me.
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Re: DNA Tested

Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:31 pm

Quite why you'd want to hand over your DNA profile to a company to sell or use as they wish, in perpetuity, is beyond me.
 
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Re: DNA Tested

Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:46 pm

Jouhou wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:

You made this comment, how else are people supposed to interpret it?


I don't know, face value perhaps? You decided to go with insulting me, your choice, man. I know whom said it, so it doesn't do much to me but it shows what kind of character you have.


More like how does he know what a "key party" is because I sure as hell didn't. It's disturbing that this kind of thing exists.


I’m sure you’re heard of swingers parties. A key party is just another kind of swingers party.

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