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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:42 am

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There is no way the dems will win :lol: anything. All early polls show the republicans with significant leads in all areas. Remember, Obummer was such a disaster of a president the American people will never forget, the Republicans will hold the White House, House, and Senate for decades to come.


Hmmm... you might want to reconsider that prediction...

:roll:

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Here's Michael Avenatti's 2018 Get Out The Vote ad. I feel confident that the R's will come out and Vote the House and Senate into 2019 Republican Majorities.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVQTj75sxT0


Did you go to the "AA747123-School-of-Predictions"? Or maybe Trump University...

;)

AA747123 wrote:
Early voting results from Fox News are almost 3 republican voters to every 1 democrat. A huge red wave is coming tomorrow!


Yep, that was what Faux News said.... and somebody believed it...

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After reading several posts I am convinced we have some Russian trolls here on board. It seems that they are just playing the role of a patriotic US-American. But the words are so exaggerated ... I cannot believe they come from true US-Americans...


johnboy wrote:
Honestly, even Svetlana from Minsk could do better than this after her 4th vodka break.


...and Vladimir and Dmitri in St. Petersburg... you gotta wonder what thy will be writing about for the next few months...

:D
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:50 am

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So blue wave becomes high tide. LOL.

The night is still young and there's more to the election than Congress. Seeing how a Democrat just won ruby red Kansas, on track to win ruby two of its red districts, knocking out plenty of GOP incumbents in the House, and picking up governor mansions in the Midwest, I wouldn't be too quick to downplay it.

So the Senate goes red. We knew that was gonna happen the moment Trump was elected, but the GOP's wet dream of knocking all of the Democrat incumbents in Trump-won states is so far not panning out (only 2, maybe 3 with FL, 4 with MO...a far cry from the possible 10 they originally thought).
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:53 am

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DL717 wrote:
So blue wave becomes high tide. LOL.

The night is still young and there's more to the election than Congress. Seeing how a Democrat just won ruby red Kansas, on track to win ruby two of its red districts, knocking out plenty of GOP incumbents in the House, and picking up governor mansions in the Midwest, I wouldn't be too quick to downplay it.

So the Senate goes red. We knew that was gonna happen the moment Trump was elected, but the GOP's wet dream of knocking all of the Democrat incumbents in Trump-won states is so far not panning out (only 2, maybe 3 with FL, 4 with MO...a far cry from the possible 10 they originally thought).


LOL. She had endorsements of every past Republican in reach of the capital. He’s no Republican. No one had any expectation of keeping the House.

Blue wave. LOL.

BTW. You’re farm league looks pretty sad. Florida fell apart and Francis got beat by the least likeable Republican in the Senate.
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:58 am

We could see a 7-2 conservative SCOTUS by 2020.

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Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:00 am

Florida gov called. So much for that 4 point lead he supposedly had.
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:05 am

Texas has been interesting. I thought Beto would be lucky to get 40%. He's probably lost, but...only barely just. In TEXAS.

So that means that if he is the DNC Presidential Candidate in 2020, he could turn Texas.

And while no formal returns are in from my state of residence in CA, we seem to be turning even bluer.

I am not disappointed tonight. I am curious to see the President's tax returns.
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:05 am

DL717 wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
DL717 wrote:
So blue wave becomes high tide. LOL.

The night is still young and there's more to the election than Congress. Seeing how a Democrat just won ruby red Kansas, on track to win ruby two of its red districts, knocking out plenty of GOP incumbents in the House, and picking up governor mansions in the Midwest, I wouldn't be too quick to downplay it.

So the Senate goes red. We knew that was gonna happen the moment Trump was elected, but the GOP's wet dream of knocking all of the Democrat incumbents in Trump-won states is so far not panning out (only 2, maybe 3 with FL, 4 with MO...a far cry from the possible 10 they originally thought).


LOL. She had endorsements of every past Republican in reach of the capital. He’s no Republican. No one had any expectation of keeping the House.

Blue wave. LOL.

BTW. You’re farm league looks pretty sad. Florida fell apart and Francis got beat by the least likeable Republican in the Senate.


Story so far is Dems met expectations for the house, are underperforming for Governor so far (lost FL and about to lose OH, possibly some others they were supposed to win), and getting crushed in the Senate.

Not a blue wave, but a realignment election. Dems won a lot of former GOP territory in wealthy suburban seats in the House, which doesn’t really bode well for Democratic Socialism.
 
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:07 am

Just before the Left Coast voting places closes up the House control has already been called for the Democrats. GOP is called at 50 Seats in the Senate (with more to come) and there is no doubt that the GOP will maintain control for the next 2 years. At that time the next run favors the Democrats.

I don't expect much excitement from the Senate in the next two years, but I do believe that things are going to be very exciting for the House. All the crap that the GOP members in various committees worked har to avoid will no longer see able to be avoided.

Probably a good time to start another thread on our election and post election issues.
 
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:26 am

FreequentFlier wrote:
DL717 wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
The night is still young and there's more to the election than Congress. Seeing how a Democrat just won ruby red Kansas, on track to win ruby two of its red districts, knocking out plenty of GOP incumbents in the House, and picking up governor mansions in the Midwest, I wouldn't be too quick to downplay it.

So the Senate goes red. We knew that was gonna happen the moment Trump was elected, but the GOP's wet dream of knocking all of the Democrat incumbents in Trump-won states is so far not panning out (only 2, maybe 3 with FL, 4 with MO...a far cry from the possible 10 they originally thought).


LOL. She had endorsements of every past Republican in reach of the capital. He’s no Republican. No one had any expectation of keeping the House.

Blue wave. LOL.

BTW. You’re farm league looks pretty sad. Florida fell apart and Francis got beat by the least likeable Republican in the Senate.


Story so far is Dems met expectations for the house, are underperforming for Governor so far (lost FL and about to lose OH, possibly some others they were supposed to win), and getting crushed in the Senate.

Not a blue wave, but a realignment election. Dems won a lot of former GOP territory in wealthy suburban seats in the House, which doesn’t really bode well for Democratic Socialism.


If you ask me, it actually looks like people voted sensibly. It’ll get stupid out there in California for sure for the left. They’re a lost cause. In what we’ve seen so far, fringe nutbag candidates went down and most flips are from redistricting.

Side note. When the hell is Broward County going to get their s*** together? They’re the only hold out down there. I’ve never seen memes hold remain applicable for what’s going on 20 years now.
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:30 am

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So blue wave becomes high tide. LOL.

You know it’s a disappointment on election night when there isn’t an a.net election thread with 50 pages of mud throwing.


You can find that on Reddit's Politics sub any night of the week regardless. Quite a Nest there.
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:40 am

DL717 wrote:
FreequentFlier wrote:
DL717 wrote:

LOL. She had endorsements of every past Republican in reach of the capital. He’s no Republican. No one had any expectation of keeping the House.

Blue wave. LOL.

BTW. You’re farm league looks pretty sad. Florida fell apart and Francis got beat by the least likeable Republican in the Senate.


Story so far is Dems met expectations for the house, are underperforming for Governor so far (lost FL and about to lose OH, possibly some others they were supposed to win), and getting crushed in the Senate.

Not a blue wave, but a realignment election. Dems won a lot of former GOP territory in wealthy suburban seats in the House, which doesn’t really bode well for Democratic Socialism.


If you ask me, it actually looks like people voted sensibly. It’ll get stupid out there in California for sure for the left. They’re a lost cause. In what we’ve seen so far, fringe nutbag candidates went down and most flips are from redistricting.

Side note. When the hell is Broward County going to get their s*** together? They’re the only hold out down there. I’ve never seen memes hold remain applicable for what’s going on 20 years now.


California going supermajority blue is a good thing. Voters need to see what unapologetic and stupid “progressivism” looks like (which is increasing wealth to tech oligarchs, increasing numbers of homeless people who can’t afford a home because building regulations have made it impossible to profitably add to the housing supply, and the middle class continuing to flee the state).

In other words, not a recipe you want repeated elsewhere. California is beyond helpless but that’s the beauty of federalism. We don’t have to care about California (and most of us don’t).
 
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:41 am

Ted Cruz remains the face of Texas.

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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:51 am

Democrats were never going to win the Senate. It was just a media circus as usual.
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:56 am

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Ted Cruz remains the face of Texas.


Sigh...Beto came closer than I thought :cry2: . And actually, he's closer to winning than some of the toss-up/"lean D" Senate race (Cough...Joe Donnelly, for getting his a** totally whooped).

Florida is always 50-50 to me anyway, and the result? More or less 50-50 as expected with Republican winning by 1%.

Ultimately, the end result is what people have been predicting for the most part - i.e. Democrats win the house, Republican hold Senate (Seriously, Democrats is at a huge disadvantage). A small "blue wave", mostly realignment (Rich/Upper Middle Class suburbs moving to blue or purple, rural areas get even redder except Iowa (Crossing fingers that the uber-racist aka Steve King lose). Definitely no "red wave" that some Drumpster had been raving about (No, winning a bunch of Senate seats in deep-red states is not really "red wave", it's just "normal"). For the Senate - seriously, for all the anti-Obama talks, Republicans didn't took the Senate until 2014, 6 years into Obama presdiency.

Oh well, Beto 2020!
 
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:04 am

It’s clear the Kavanaugh crap show had an impact on the Senate. I think that singular issue had more of an impact today than anything else. People know BS when they see it.
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:55 am

AA747123 wrote:
There is no way the dems will win anything.


OK.... you probably need a new crystal ball.....
 
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:57 am

And the senate is now ready to appoint more judges.
 
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:10 am

Republicans keeping the Senate and bragging about it is like bragging about winning a 100 yard dash with a 40 yard head start. We knew 2 years ago that Dems had one of the roughest paths to control despite flow going in their favor.

Or to put it another way:

https://twitter.com/pescami/status/1060035805220085760
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:00 am

The people sure acted like it was a wave election. Record high turnout and this:

https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD/status/1 ... 1321276416

Unfortunately, our outdated bullshit system doesn't allow the representatives to reflect the people's voice.
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:09 am

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Republicans keeping the Senate and bragging about it is like bragging about winning a 100 yard dash with a 40 yard head start. We knew 2 years ago that Dems had one of the roughest paths to control despite flow going in their favor.

Or to put it another way:

https://twitter.com/pescami/status/1060035805220085760


Fake news. Dems have more Senate votes because the voting in the Senate is not uniform across the country, and is occurring in different places. For example, Dems are voting for 2 candidates (and zero Repubs) in California, the most populous state in the nation. So the stat line about more Senate votes is meaningless.

Also, Repubs holding Senate isn’t news. Repubs winning in AZ, MO, FL, IN, ND, and possibly MT is news. The GOP may end the evening with more net new Senate seats than Dems win net new Governorships, despite the GOP holding 33 of the 50 Governorships at the start of the day. That’s a complete and total disaster for Dems by any standard given the incoming expectations for this election.
 
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:11 am

LittleFokker wrote:
Republicans keeping the Senate and bragging about it is like bragging about winning a 100 yard dash with a 40 yard head start. We knew 2 years ago that Dems had one of the roughest paths to control despite flow going in their favor.

Or to put it another way:

https://twitter.com/pescami/status/1060035805220085760


Remind me again how much Obama lost in the midterm?

This was a wave:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_ ... ions,_2010
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:11 am

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It’s clear the Kavanaugh crap show had an impact on the Senate. I think that singular issue had more of an impact today than anything else. People know BS when they see it.


:checkmark:

Yep, I suspect a lot of the suburban voters who don’t like Trump and voted D for the House were also voting R for the Senate to send a message to both Trump and the Dems to cut out the nonsense.
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:13 am

LittleFokker wrote:
The people sure acted like it was a wave election. Record high turnout and this:

https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD/status/1 ... 1321276416

Unfortunately, our outdated bullshit system doesn't allow the representatives to reflect the people's voice.


Pick a third world dump. They vote like you’d like to. This is a Republic. Like it or leave it.
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:48 am

A bit more checks and balances is good for America.

Who won the popular vote? And how much influence did all this gerrymandering and raising the bar to vote have?
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:02 am

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A bit more checks and balances is good for America.

Who won the popular vote? And how much influence did all this gerrymandering and raising the bar to vote have?


Too early to say but Democrats won the House by winning wealthier suburban seats in places like Richmond, Dallas, Houston, Salt Lake City, Oklahoma City, Charleston SC, and Miami. These are seats that have been almost ancestrally Republican for the last 3 decades but the voters there think Trump is an @$$hole. A far left agenda will just result in them flipping back immediately after Trump’s term, if not during. Dems got a narrow majority in the House but the ideological coalition is basically incoherent, if not non-existent. What a Democratic Socialist such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has in common with wealthy suburbanites in traditionally GOP territory is virtually nothing.

Pass the popcorn.
 
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:03 am

DL717 wrote:
LittleFokker wrote:
The people sure acted like it was a wave election. Record high turnout and this:

https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD/status/1 ... 1321276416

Unfortunately, our outdated bullshit system doesn't allow the representatives to reflect the people's voice.


Pick a third world dump. They vote like you’d like to. This is a Republic. Like it or leave it.


Strange reaction, man. Don't talk about change or you must leave the country.
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:39 am

With the House in Democratic hands, Trump can tweet as much as he likes, but it will be all we see from him as he won't be able to get a single law passed any more.
But we'll get to see his tax returns.
 
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:09 am

DL717 wrote:
LittleFokker wrote:
The people sure acted like it was a wave election. Record high turnout and this:

https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD/status/1 ... 1321276416

Unfortunately, our outdated bullshit system doesn't allow the representatives to reflect the people's voice.


Pick a third world dump. They vote like you’d like to. This is a Republic. Like it or leave it.



So gerrymandering and other ways of disenfranchising select elements of the sovereign are first world dump methods ?

I'll take my third world dump any time.
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:23 am

DL717 wrote:
LittleFokker wrote:
The people sure acted like it was a wave election. Record high turnout and this:

https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD/status/1 ... 1321276416

Unfortunately, our outdated bullshit system doesn't allow the representatives to reflect the people's voice.


Pick a third world dump. They vote like you’d like to. This is a Republic. Like it or leave it.


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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:08 pm

I take back my assessment of the night and will grudgingly agree that this was more of a abnormal high tide than a full wave. We knew the Senate would remain in GOP hands; we just never anticipated them knocking out 4 Democrats (though Heller is out and Synema is in a good position to win). Democrats came up short in many governor races (notable IA and FL), even though taking KS, WI, ME, and NV compensates for those losses. Many surprises from House races, most notable 3 races (SC-1, OK-5, and NY-11) that were deemed likely Republican and were captured by Democrats.

Some bright spots for Democrats: unified control comes to NM, CO, IL, NY, and ME while breaking the trifecta in NH. Too early to report on state legislature numbers but having flipped a few chambers in some states, it's easy to conclude that Democrats recaptured some seats.

And among the biggest unreported events of the night: UT, ID, and NE voters passed Medicaid expansion under the ACA; MI voters passes marijuana legalization; and redistricting initiatives in CO, MO, MI, and UT (not final) passed.

FreequentFlier wrote:
In other words, not a recipe you want repeated elsewhere. California is beyond helpless but that’s the beauty of federalism. We don’t have to care about California (and most of us don’t).
Because unapologetic Tea Party/Conservative policies worked out so well in Kansas that they must be replicated elsewhere, right?

DL717 wrote:
In what we’ve seen so far, fringe nutbag candidates went down and most flips are from redistricting.

"The Nile" is not just a river in Egypt. The only state that underwent redistricting for this election was PA and while that helped Democrats, it did not assure them the House by any means. If KS-3, OK-5, SC-1, and NY-11, among others, were redistricting, please post a link as to when these districts were remade. Clearly something was not reported.
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:45 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
I take back my assessment of the night and will grudgingly agree that this was more of a abnormal high tide than a full wave. We knew the Senate would remain in GOP hands; we just never anticipated them knocking out 4 Democrats (though Heller is out and Synema is in a good position to win). Democrats came up short in many governor races (notable IA and FL), even though taking KS, WI, ME, and NV compensates for those losses. Many surprises from House races, most notable 3 races (SC-1, OK-5, and NY-11) that were deemed likely Republican and were captured by Democrats.

Some bright spots for Democrats: unified control comes to NM, CO, IL, NY, and ME while breaking the trifecta in NH. Too early to report on state legislature numbers but having flipped a few chambers in some states, it's easy to conclude that Democrats recaptured some seats.

And among the biggest unreported events of the night: UT, ID, and NE voters passed Medicaid expansion under the ACA; MI voters passes marijuana legalization; and redistricting initiatives in CO, MO, MI, and UT (not final) passed.

FreequentFlier wrote:
In other words, not a recipe you want repeated elsewhere. California is beyond helpless but that’s the beauty of federalism. We don’t have to care about California (and most of us don’t).
Because unapologetic Tea Party/Conservative policies worked out so well in Kansas that they must be replicated elsewhere, right?


McSally is going to win AZ, barring some voting irregularity. Rosendale is leading Tester with 94% of the vote in but there might be enough votes left in Tester friendly areas to turn it into a hand recount.

Regarding your other comment, voters don’t like extreme candidates. That’s why Kobach blew it. It’s also why Democratic Socialist approved candidates went 0 for 8 in competitive areas.
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:28 pm

Keith Ellison won the AG race in MN despite extremely credible claims of domestic violence by him towards his former girlfriend (a Democrat with no political axe to grind).

In other words, the Kavanaugh hearings were a phoney partisan sham, as expected.
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:04 pm

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A far left agenda will just result in them flipping back immediately after Trump’s term, if not during.


There never was, and is unlikely to ever be, a 'far-left' agenda in the US by any mainstream party. Not on any reasonable scale that is. Get back to us when D. starts agitating for e.g. nationalisation of industry, that's a bonefide example of 'far-left'. Your idea of 'far-left' seems to be 'anything to the left of Djengish Khan' which, I suppose, is one of the many reasons the polictical climate in the US is so out of whack it's almost funny. But just to make it clear, you have two versions of right-leaning parties: Pretty far to the right right and a bit further right.

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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:08 pm

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Early voting results from Fox News are almost 3 republican voters to every 1 democrat. A huge red wave is coming tomorrow!

I guess it's time you find better news sources, though I'm sure you won't.
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:09 pm

sw733 wrote:
AA747123 wrote:
Early voting results from Fox News are almost 3 republican voters to every 1 democrat. A huge red wave is coming tomorrow!

I guess it's time you find better news sources, though I'm sure you won't.


Well, when your news source is the kremlin....
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:10 pm

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It’s also why Democratic Socialist approved candidates went 0 for 8 in competitive areas.

And I'm glad they did. I never understood Ocasio-Cortez's appeal as if she's a rock star. Her brand of far-left politics works for her district, but I've always advocated for more centrist policies elsewhere. Last night showed that Democrats can come close to or win in heartland districts by being moderates.
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:25 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
FreequentFlier wrote:
It’s also why Democratic Socialist approved candidates went 0 for 8 in competitive areas.

And I'm glad they did. I never understood Ocasio-Cortez's appeal as if she's a rock star. Her brand of far-left politics works for her district, but I've always advocated for more centrist policies elsewhere. Last night showed that Democrats can come close to or win in heartland districts by being moderates.

I truly believe most Americans are moderates...they may lean left or right, but most just want some normality where they can raise their kids and enjoy a decent standard of living. It's the loud extremes that make the news...and vote more consistently, unfortunately.
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:28 pm

sw733 wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
And I'm glad they did. I never understood Ocasio-Cortez's appeal as if she's a rock star. Her brand of far-left politics works for her district, but I've always advocated for more centrist policies elsewhere. Last night showed that Democrats can come close to or win in heartland districts by being moderates.

I truly believe most Americans are moderates...they may lean left or right, but most just want some normality where they can raise their kids and enjoy a decent standard of living. It's the loud extremes that make the news...and vote more consistently, unfortunately.


Quite right. Most people are pretty close to single issue voters to be honest. They then morph into accepting what the party platform is that supports that issue.

I think this was discussed somewhat in another thread.

A kind of chicken and egg type of scenario, do you choose the party and thus support the party's policies/politics? Or do you select policies and choose the party that reflects that?

hmm.
 
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:29 pm

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FreequentFlier wrote:
A far left agenda will just result in them flipping back immediately after Trump’s term, if not during.


There never was, and is unlikely to ever be, a 'far-left' agenda in the US by any mainstream party. Not on any reasonable scale that is. Get back to us when D. starts agitating for e.g. nationalisation of industry, that's a bonefide example of 'far-left'. Your idea of 'far-left' seems to be 'anything to the left of Djengish Khan' which, I suppose, is one of the many reasons the polictical climate in the US is so out of whack it's almost funny. But just to make it clear, you have two versions of right-leaning parties: Pretty far to the right right and a bit further right.

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Learn to tell the difference between communism, socialism and social-democratism. Here's a hint: The latter is a capitalistic system, the two former are not.


Hey my dude, your party is talking about single payor healthcare. That’s nationalization of industry.

I realize the Dems will never go full socialist far or fast enough for your liking, but at least try to know what you’re talking about.
 
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:30 pm

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So blue wave becomes high tide. LOL.

You know it’s a disappointment on election night when there isn’t an a.net election thread with 50 pages of mud throwing.


It's basically what I expected, it looks like the dems are going to pick up 35 seats or so in the house and there are some unexpected losses and some unexpected gains.

Regarding the senate and the governorships there were not as many gains as were expected with the democrats but still some notable ones. PA, WI and MI the states that decided it 2 years ago all elected democratic governors, Kansas was a good pickup for the democrats. GA hasn't been decided but that is likely to go for the GOP, but that election should be investigated in its entirety.

I did expect the democrats to do better in the senate but the map was a hard one for them and looks much better in 2020. Florida was a dead heat in the senate and for governor with the GOP edging it out by a razor thin margin, however the ballot initiative to restore voting rights to convicted felons who have served their time makes Florida much more likely to be democratic in future elections. Adding to that the minimum wage and medicaid expansion ballot initiates were largely successful last night.

The lesson here is that the democrats need to figure out what they are going to do in the next two years, the issues are on their side and to many they have moved left but so has the entire United States when you look at the issues. The tax cuts are unpopular, healthcare is still a huge issue, people want politicians to stand for them and if the democrats use the next two years as a vendetta on Trump expect them to give it all back in 2020.

The good news is that largely the democrats who ran as establishment blue dogs largely got blown out yesterday and the ones running on the issues either won or lost by very slim margins.
This means that the democrats should really think twice about handing the speaker-ship back to Nancy Pelosi who I am convinced wants to spend the next two years trying to get rid of Trump which isn't going to happen barring something drastic. By all means be a check on Trump's legislative agenda and powers but actually suggest alternatives to the American public so they show that they are fighting for their constituents.
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:32 pm

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FreequentFlier wrote:
It’s also why Democratic Socialist approved candidates went 0 for 8 in competitive areas.

And I'm glad they did. I never understood Ocasio-Cortez's appeal as if she's a rock star. Her brand of far-left politics works for her district, but I've always advocated for more centrist policies elsewhere. Last night showed that Democrats can come close to or win in heartland districts by being moderates.


That’s correct, but that moderation puts you in a very small minority. A more sane, responsible party crushes Trump. That’s not the modern day Democrat party.
 
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:38 pm

StarAC17 wrote:
The good news is that largely the democrats who ran as establishment blue dogs largely got blown out yesterday and the ones running on the issues either won or lost by very slim margins.
This means that the democrats should really think twice about handing the speaker-ship back to Nancy Pelosi who I am convinced wants to spend the next two years trying to get rid of Trump which isn't going to happen barring something drastic. By all means be a check on Trump's legislative agenda and powers but actually suggest alternatives to the American public so they show that they are fighting for their constituents.


This was my biggest takeaway from yesterday. Many of the folks who flipped seats actually ran away from Pelosi and the far left.

Pelosi will have a tough fight ahead trying to placate the far left and the more moderates in the party. Might be her toughest challenge yet.
 
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:04 pm

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Hey my dude, your party is talking about single payor healthcare. That’s nationalization of industry.

I realize the Dems will never go full socialist far or fast enough for your liking, but at least try to know what you’re talking about.


Just a couple of points: First, the Dems are not 'my party'. In fact, I don't 'have' a US party. Mainly because I'm not American. Secondly, single-payer health care is not nationalisation of industry, anymore than a federally owned police force, fire department or armed forces is. That the US has chosen to make corporations rich on the back of the illness of its population is the epitome of 'far right', the opposite is just basic common sense - just as it's basic common sense to have the state running police, fire, courts and armed forces. Thirdly, I've never advocated for socialism, your comment proves my point that you - along with a large number of other average Americans - simply don't understand what socialism is, and how it differs from e.g. social-democratism. But, thanks for proving my point .... dude.
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:05 pm

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But we'll get to see his tax returns.

I keep hearing this, but how? I take it through a subpoena but I'm curious to see if that'd actually be successful... and honestly, does it really matter? What are we expecting?

Probably gonna show he has way less money than he claims, pays little to no taxes, and probably has an obscure dealing or two with some random Russian entity that won't prove anything conclusive. Do we really think that will sway a single voter in the US? Everyone pretty much knows all that.

Enlighten me

einsteinboricua wrote:
And I'm glad they did. I never understood Ocasio-Cortez's appeal as if she's a rock star. Her brand of far-left politics works for her district, but I've always advocated for more centrist policies elsewhere. Last night showed that Democrats can come close to or win in heartland districts by being moderates.

I feel ya, but unfortunately, the left third of the country picks the Democrat nominee, and the right third picks the GOP nominee. So we have quite the distance between the two of them. And today, bipartisanism does not exist and is a dirty word. I think the divisiveness and polarization is by far our country's biggest problem
 
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:30 pm

He can just ignore all subpoenas. If they want to make a court case out of it, all the way to the SCOTUS.... well, Hold My Beer!!

Waiting for a real wave in 2020 that will sweep the House back to the Rs. I can wait while the country's economy and job markets continue to improve due to great trade deals by The Donald.
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:45 pm

B777LRF wrote:
FreequentFlier wrote:
Hey my dude, your party is talking about single payor healthcare. That’s nationalization of industry.

I realize the Dems will never go full socialist far or fast enough for your liking, but at least try to know what you’re talking about.


Just a couple of points: First, the Dems are not 'my party'. In fact, I don't 'have' a US party. Mainly because I'm not American. Secondly, single-payer health care is not nationalisation of industry, anymore than a federally owned police force, fire department or armed forces is. That the US has chosen to make corporations rich on the back of the illness of its population is the epitome of 'far right', the opposite is just basic common sense - just as it's basic common sense to have the state running police, fire, courts and armed forces. Thirdly, I've never advocated for socialism, your comment proves my point that you - along with a large number of other average Americans - simply don't understand what socialism is, and how it differs from e.g. social-democratism. But, thanks for proving my point .... dude.


Actually you proved mine. You said Democrats weren’t pushing for a nationalization of industry. I pointed to an example where they were doing just that, and an industry which is about 15% of GDP to boot. The rest of your post is just deflection and rationalizations for it.

You were simply wrong on the facts. It’s ok to admit it.
 
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:41 pm

FreequentFlier wrote:
Actually you proved mine. You said Democrats weren’t pushing for a nationalization of industry. I pointed to an example where they were doing just that, and an industry which is about 15% of GDP to boot. The rest of your post is just deflection and rationalizations for it.

You were simply wrong on the facts. It’s ok to admit it.


Dude, you may try to establish the point that public health service is an industry. Personally I don't subscribe to that point of view, just as I wouldn't if we were talking any other essential public service. In that I'd also include education, which you've also managed to turn into an industry with exceedingly high economical barrier of entry.

And it's hardly as if 15% of your GDP would vanish if you went single-payer; you'd still need the people, the products and the infrastructure. It's just that no-one would be turning a profit at the delivery side.
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:03 pm

B777LRF wrote:
FreequentFlier wrote:
Actually you proved mine. You said Democrats weren’t pushing for a nationalization of industry. I pointed to an example where they were doing just that, and an industry which is about 15% of GDP to boot. The rest of your post is just deflection and rationalizations for it.

You were simply wrong on the facts. It’s ok to admit it.


Dude, you may try to establish the point that public health service is an industry. Personally I don't subscribe to that point of view, just as I wouldn't if we were talking any other essential public service. In that I'd also include education, which you've also managed to turn into an industry with exceedingly high economical barrier of entry.

And it's hardly as if 15% of your GDP would vanish if you went single-payer; you'd still need the people, the products and the infrastructure. It's just that no-one would be turning a profit at the delivery side.


Again, you’re just providing rationalizations for you being factually wrong. And it doesn’t change the fact that you were still wrong.
 
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:32 pm

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In other words, not a recipe you want repeated elsewhere. California is beyond helpless but that’s the beauty of federalism. We don’t have to care about California (and most of us don’t).



That’s ok, Kitten. We don’t much like you either. :D
Having the 5th largest economy in the world =/= “beyond helpless,” although the ones who couldn’t “make it” here could be classified as such.

PS still get a kick out of my “come to Jesus” msg. on here. Seeing your name always gives me a chuckle lolol. If you see Dreadnought/VTK make sure he knows someone posted a pic of the New Black Panther Party with guns. It wounds him greatly.
 
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Re: Republicans winning the midterms?

Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:50 pm

johnboy wrote:
FreequentFlier wrote:

In other words, not a recipe you want repeated elsewhere. California is beyond helpless but that’s the beauty of federalism. We don’t have to care about California (and most of us don’t).



That’s ok, Kitten. We don’t much like you either. :D
Having the 5th largest economy in the world =/= “beyond helpless,” although the ones who couldn’t “make it” here could be classified as such.

PS still get a kick out of my “come to Jesus” msg. on here. Seeing your name always gives me a chuckle lolol. If you see Dreadnought/VTK make sure he knows someone posted a pic of the New Black Panther Party with guns. It wounds him greatly.


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I just plain love the state and have been there twice.
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