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aviationaware wrote:

Unbelievable. Tansania needs to be slapped with sanctions that really hurt asap.

Kiwirob wrote:

aviationaware wrote:

Unbelievable. Tansania needs to be slapped with sanctions that really hurt asap.

Since the world did nothing about the atrocities committed in Zimbabwe against white farmers do you really think the world is going to lift a finger to help gay people being persecuted In Tanzania ?

stl07 wrote:

Does this include Zanzibar?

stl07 wrote:

Venezuela, United States, Mexico, ect. now Tanzania...


Leaders that are going to "shake things up" end up rogue, and still nobody sees their game

GalaxyFlyer wrote:

stl07 wrote:

Venezuela, United States, Mexico, ect. now Tanzania...


Leaders that are going to "shake things up" end up rogue, and still nobody sees their game

Do you really put those four countries in the same bucket? Which would rather live in?

GF

FlightMode wrote:

stl07 wrote:

Does this include Zanzibar?

Yes, LGBT rights are non-existent in the semi-autonomous region of Zanzibar. In some respects the law is worse than on the mainland. For example, the Tanzania Penal Code doesn't mention sex between women but that of Zanzibar does. There a woman can be either fined a hefty sum or be sent to prison for up to five years. Sentences can be imposed on men who engage or attempt to engage in sexual acts with another male. Sentences range from fines and corporal punishment to lengthy terms of imprisonment (up to life). There ae no laws protecting LGBT people from adverse discrimination.

stl07 wrote:

Does this include Zanzibar?

Kiwirob wrote:

stl07 wrote:

Does this include Zanzibar?

You’d like to think no would be the answer since the most famous person born there was Freddie Mercury!

mbmbos wrote:

The religious right in this country has put a lot of effort into "outreach," which translates into supporting and educating haters in African countries to criminalize and even execute gay people for doing nothing more than being gay.

ImperialEagle wrote:

Look at how many of those countries are in the Middle East. The only safe place for gay people in the whole of North Africa and Middle East is Israel. Tel Aviv is the "gay Mecca" in that part of the world.

afcjets wrote:

mbmbos wrote:

The religious right in this country has put a lot of effort into "outreach," which translates into supporting and educating haters in African countries to criminalize and even execute gay people for doing nothing more than being gay.

Please provide a source for your ridiculous claim.

afcjets wrote:

mbmbos wrote:

The religious right in this country has put a lot of effort into "outreach," which translates into supporting and educating haters in African countries to criminalize and even execute gay people for doing nothing more than being gay.

Please provide a source for your ridiculous claim.

afcjets wrote:

mbmbos wrote:

The religious right in this country has put a lot of effort into "outreach," which translates into supporting and educating haters in African countries to criminalize and even execute gay people for doing nothing more than being gay.

Please provide a source for your ridiculous claim.

akiss20 wrote:

afcjets wrote:

mbmbos wrote:

The religious right in this country has put a lot of effort into "outreach," which translates into supporting and educating haters in African countries to criminalize and even execute gay people for doing nothing more than being gay.

Please provide a source for your ridiculous claim.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/sto ... =128491183

https://mg.co.za/article/2017-04-13-00- ... eer-rights

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/worl ... ganda.html

https://www.politicalresearch.org/wp-co ... Values.pdf

noviorbis77 wrote:

Why are African nations so intollerant of homosexuality?

Really is primative thinking.

akiss20 wrote:

noviorbis77 wrote:

Why are African nations so intollerant of homosexuality?

Really is primative thinking.

Because religion taught them to be so.

noviorbis77 wrote:

akiss20 wrote:

noviorbis77 wrote:

Why are African nations so intollerant of homosexuality?

Really is primative thinking.

Because religion taught them to be so.

But the same religions are practised in Europe and South America. Not illegal there

Dieuwer wrote:

How was it in Africa BEFORE colonialism and missionary work? Do we know? Are there any records?

noviorbis77 wrote:

akiss20 wrote:

noviorbis77 wrote:

Why are African nations so intollerant of homosexuality?

Really is primative thinking.

Because religion taught them to be so.

But the same religions are practised in Europe and South America. Not illegal there

akiss20 wrote:

noviorbis77 wrote:

akiss20 wrote:

Because religion taught them to be so.

But the same religions are practised in Europe and South America. Not illegal there

Because higher economic conditions and education gave birth to secular social advancement. You think that Europe or North America is somehow special? They were right where Africa is now only a hundred years ago or less. Let’s not forget that the Nazis persecuted homosexuals just as much as Jews, McCarthyism went after any gays in government, Jerry Falwell blamed 9/11 on the gays, and even today fringe religious groups would love to see a genocide of LGBT persons (see the WBC).

Let’s not engage in some kind of white superiority that we are immune to equal levels of discrimination.

noviorbis77 wrote:

akiss20 wrote:

noviorbis77 wrote:

But the same religions are practised in Europe and South America. Not illegal there

Because higher economic conditions and education gave birth to secular social advancement. You think that Europe or North America is somehow special? They were right where Africa is now only a hundred years ago or less. Let’s not forget that the Nazis persecuted homosexuals just as much as Jews, McCarthyism went after any gays in government, Jerry Falwell blamed 9/11 on the gays, and even today fringe religious groups would love to see a genocide of LGBT persons (see the WBC).

Let’s not engage in some kind of white superiority that we are immune to equal levels of discrimination.

I am not. Being homosexual will not see ypu imprisoned or executed in Europe, North, Central or Southern America. Or Australasia.

Just wondered why homosexuality is illegall in nearly all African and Asian nations.

akiss20 wrote:

Dieuwer wrote:

How was it in Africa BEFORE colonialism and missionary work? Do we know? Are there any records?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History ... ity#Africa

trpmb6 wrote:

akiss20 wrote:

Dieuwer wrote:

How was it in Africa BEFORE colonialism and missionary work? Do we know? Are there any records?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History ... ity#Africa

The demographics and culture of Egypt, and northern Africa in general, are completely different than that of antiquity. Not really a fair comparison one way or the other.

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akiss20 wrote:

trpmb6 wrote:

akiss20 wrote:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History ... ity#Africa

The demographics and culture of Egypt, and northern Africa in general, are completely different than that of antiquity. Not really a fair comparison one way or the other.

Just a starting point. Feel free to research further if interested. From my prospective, it’s not really relevant.

akiss20 wrote:

noviorbis77 wrote:

akiss20 wrote:

Because higher economic conditions and education gave birth to secular social advancement. You think that Europe or North America is somehow special? They were right where Africa is now only a hundred years ago or less. Let’s not forget that the Nazis persecuted homosexuals just as much as Jews, McCarthyism went after any gays in government, Jerry Falwell blamed 9/11 on the gays, and even today fringe religious groups would love to see a genocide of LGBT persons (see the WBC).

Let’s not engage in some kind of white superiority that we are immune to equal levels of discrimination.

I am not. Being homosexual will not see ypu imprisoned or executed in Europe, North, Central or Southern America. Or Australasia.

Just wondered why homosexuality is illegall in nearly all African and Asian nations.

You literally ignored the argument I made. My point is that the rest of the world wasn’t very different not that long ago. Gay rights has progressed amazingly quickly in the grand scheme of things. In the US, sodomy laws were only struck down in 2004 in Lawrence vs Texas and even with that, 25% of Americans say that homosexuality should be discouraged. That was over 50% only 15 years ago. Africa and Asia are still economically and culturally developing. Education in many parts is still low and with it comes dictatorial leaders and a populace who are eager to scapegoat their problems against a group of people who they do not understand and can villianize.

http://www.people-press.org/2017/10/05/ ... -religion/

Dieuwer wrote:

akiss20 wrote:

noviorbis77 wrote:

I am not. Being homosexual will not see ypu imprisoned or executed in Europe, North, Central or Southern America. Or Australasia.

Just wondered why homosexuality is illegall in nearly all African and Asian nations.

You literally ignored the argument I made. My point is that the rest of the world wasn’t very different not that long ago. Gay rights has progressed amazingly quickly in the grand scheme of things. In the US, sodomy laws were only struck down in 2004 in Lawrence vs Texas and even with that, 25% of Americans say that homosexuality should be discouraged. That was over 50% only 15 years ago. Africa and Asia are still economically and culturally developing. Education in many parts is still low and with it comes dictatorial leaders and a populace who are eager to scapegoat their problems against a group of people who they do not understand and can villianize.

http://www.people-press.org/2017/10/05/ ... -religion/

Parts of Asia were/are well ahead of Western Europe and the Americas with respect to gay rights. For example, Thailand (as far as I remember) never ever had a problem with it.

JJJ wrote:

ImperialEagle wrote:

Look at how many of those countries are in the Middle East. The only safe place for gay people in the whole of North Africa and Middle East is Israel. Tel Aviv is the "gay Mecca" in that part of the world.

Off limits to most people living in the region, so if there's any gay Mecca that should be Beirut.

ImperialEagle wrote:

Sadly, the LGBT movement can only survive if everyone is a "victim".
Fortunately, most gays here in the US are not "victims" even though it doesn't fit the LGBT narrative. The gay people I know are busy being "normal" and no longer need the label.

Old cultures change slowly. So no surprise about Tanzania.

mbmbos wrote:

afcjets wrote:

mbmbos wrote:

The religious right in this country has put a lot of effort into "outreach," which translates into supporting and educating haters in African countries to criminalize and even execute gay people for doing nothing more than being gay.

Please provide a source for your ridiculous claim.

Here is a source for my "ridiculous" claim: https://www.oursplatform.org/wp-content ... Africa.pdf


There are plenty more. Lots of "ridiculous" citations and lots of "ridiculous" facts out there.

johnboy wrote:

What an odd statement, especially in light of the very high assault/murder rate for transgendered folks

afcjets wrote:

mbmbos wrote:

afcjets wrote:

Please provide a source for your ridiculous claim.

Here is a source for my "ridiculous" claim: https://www.oursplatform.org/wp-content ... Africa.pdf


There are plenty more. Lots of "ridiculous" citations and lots of "ridiculous" facts out there.

I missed the part where it says the US religious right is supporting and educating haters in African countries to execute gay people for nothing more than being gay as you claim. Beyond ridculous.

MaverickM11 wrote:

Well then read it again and maybe you won't miss it. Or if you prefer more explicit cause and effect:

The role of US evangelists in Uganda's 'kill the gays' bill

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/fede ... -m2lf.html

afcjets wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

Well then read it again and maybe you won't miss it. Or if you prefer more explicit cause and effect:

The role of US evangelists in Uganda's 'kill the gays' bill

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/fede ... -m2lf.html

It says three US evangelicals were invited to Uganda to speak about curing gay people, not killing them. It’s called conversion therapy (not debating its effectiveness), not killing therapy. But of course your side has already tried to conflate the two with Pence

afcjets wrote:

mbmbos wrote:

The religious right in this country has put a lot of effort into "outreach," which translates into supporting and educating haters in African countries to criminalize and even execute gay people for doing nothing more than being gay.

Please provide a source for your ridiculous claim.

afcjets wrote:

It says three US evangelicals were invited to Uganda to speak about curing gay people, not killing them. It’s called conversion therapy (not debating its effectiveness), not killing therapy. But of course your side has already tried to conflate the two with Pence

2122M wrote:

Dear Lord, its not that hard. US right wing goes to Uganda and Tanzania and tell them Gays are bad, Uganda and Tanzania then kills gays. You certainly don’t see the religious right from the states going back to Uganda and Tanzania with any corrections either.

johnboy wrote:

ImperialEagle wrote:

Sadly, the LGBT movement can only survive if everyone is a "victim".
Fortunately, most gays here in the US are not "victims" even though it doesn't fit the LGBT narrative. The gay people I know are busy being "normal" and no longer need the label.

Old cultures change slowly. So no surprise about Tanzania.

What an odd statement, especially in light of the very high assault/murder rate for transgendered folks, attempts by the Trump administration to cease demographic data collection for LGBTs, outrageous “religious freedom” laws designed to legally enshrine discrimination, and arguments by the DOJ that LGBTs are not worthy of EEOC protection.

I’m assuming you’re an ally (?), so scratch the surface a bit deeper and see what’s really going on.

afcjets wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

Well then read it again and maybe you won't miss it. Or if you prefer more explicit cause and effect:

The role of US evangelists in Uganda's 'kill the gays' bill

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/fede ... -m2lf.html

It says three US evangelicals were invited to Uganda to speak about curing gay people, not killing them. It’s called conversion therapy (not debating its effectiveness), not killing therapy. But of course your side has already tried to conflate the two with Pence

ImperialEagle wrote:

No President or politicians are going to get in the way of gay people doing whatever they choose. Every U.S. Citizen has the same rights. Hell, gays can get married,now. What a blessing to divorce lawyers!
Just 'sayin.