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Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:56 pm

I think Trump made a deal with Nikki Haley. After the mid-terms he will announce he does not intend to run in 2020 and supports Haley if she chooses to do so. I believe she will.
 
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:21 pm

The more plausible scenario I have heard is that the golfer-in-chief, will fire Sessions, appoint Lindsey Graham, and the governor of South Carolina will, then, appoint Nikki Haley to fill Graham's seat. No way will he give up his power. If anything, he will make the executive branch even more powerful after the mid-terms, no matter who wins.
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:36 pm

There is no way Trump is not running. Have you seen this man's ego?
 
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:01 pm

seb146 wrote:
The more plausible scenario I have heard is that the golfer-in-chief, will fire Sessions, appoint Lindsey Graham, and the governor of South Carolina will, then, appoint Nikki Haley to fill Graham's seat. No way will he give up his power. If anything, he will make the executive branch even more powerful after the mid-terms, no matter who wins.

Hm...I never considered that scenario. It's entirely plausible, but only if Republicans keep the House.
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:07 pm

Once Haley announced she was stepping down, I had a feeling she was going to be groomed to at least be a big player in the GoP.

As far as Trump is concerned, I think he will run in 2020 and even win. The democrats just don't have anyone strong enough to take down an incumbent president, IMO.
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:29 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
seb146 wrote:
The more plausible scenario I have heard is that the golfer-in-chief, will fire Sessions, appoint Lindsey Graham, and the governor of South Carolina will, then, appoint Nikki Haley to fill Graham's seat. No way will he give up his power. If anything, he will make the executive branch even more powerful after the mid-terms, no matter who wins.

Hm...I never considered that scenario. It's entirely plausible, but only if Republicans keep the House.
Why do Republicans need to keep the house for this scenario?
 
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:31 pm

seb146 wrote:
The more plausible scenario I have heard is that the golfer-in-chief, will fire Sessions, appoint Lindsey Graham, and the governor of South Carolina will, then, appoint Nikki Haley to fill Graham's seat. No way will he give up his power. If anything, he will make the executive branch even more powerful after the mid-terms, no matter who wins.
The problem with this scenario is that it all could have happened without Haley stepping down.
 
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:31 pm

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Why do Republicans need to keep the house for this scenario?

Because if Sessions is fired, Democrats will surely want to investigate the circumstances leading up to it whereas it's likely Republicans won't bat an eye (after all, they would have been rewarded with a smaller majority, but a majority nonetheless).
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:50 pm

Trump will win by a landslide in 2020. It will be the biggest victory ever. Trumps popularity grows daily. There is no way he wont win in 2020.
 
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:10 pm

There are only 2 scenarios that Drumpf won't run in 2020 are:
1. He get impeached and convicted, most likely of some financial crime
2. He is incapacitated due to some cardiovascular disease from eating too many Big Macs.

Seriously, no way, if he is fully healthy and didn't get thrown into jail, that he won't have another go at 2020. Not Drumpf.

TWA772LR wrote:
As far as Trump is concerned, I think he will run in 2020 and even win. The democrats just don't have anyone strong enough to take down an incumbent president, IMO.


Well, unless the economy totally meltdown, which is definitely possible. But yes, sadly, nobody really stands out so far from the Democrat side.
 
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:13 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
There is no way Trump is not running. Have you seen this man's ego?


It's his ego that will be the reason he doesn't run. If he thinks he won't win, he will step aside and then the republican that loses he will just say "I would have won if I had decided to run again"

It's the perfect bait and switch.

cledaybuck wrote:
The problem with this scenario is that it all could have happened without Haley stepping down.


100% agree.
 
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:15 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
There is no way Trump is not running. Have you seen this man's ego?


It's his ego that will be the reason he doesn't run. If he thinks he won't win, he will step aside and then the republican that loses he will just say "I would have won if I had decided to run again"

It's the perfect bait and switch.
I don't buy it. Trump will think he is going to win no matter what. He thinks everything he does is great/the best.
 
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:18 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
There are only 2 scenarios that Drumpf won't run in 2020 are:
1. He get impeached and convicted, most likely of some financial crime
2. He is incapacitated due to some cardiovascular disease from eating too many Big Macs.

Seriously, no way, if he is fully healthy and didn't get thrown into jail, that he won't have another go at 2020. Not Drumpf.

TWA772LR wrote:
As far as Trump is concerned, I think he will run in 2020 and even win. The democrats just don't have anyone strong enough to take down an incumbent president, IMO.


Well, unless the economy totally meltdown, which is definitely possible. But yes, sadly, nobody really stands out so far from the Democrat side.
It's only November of 2018 people. Who thought Obama would be president in November 2006? Hillary Clinton was the shoe in candidate in November of 2014. You would have been laughed out of the room if you said Trump was going to be president in November of 2014.

As for the economy, it won't take a total meltdown. Trumps poll numbers are terrible for an economy that is doing great. Trump needs the economy to keep doing great because he is not really that great of a candidate, despite his dedicated base. Why do you think Republicans keep throwing money at the economy in the form of tax cuts and spending increases?
 
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:24 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
Well, unless the economy totally meltdown, which is definitely possible. But yes, sadly, nobody really stands out so far from the Democrat side.
It's only November of 2018 people. Who thought Obama would be president in November 2006? Hillary Clinton was the shoe in candidate in November of 2014. You would have been laughed out of the room if you said Trump was going to be president in November of 2014.[/quote]

And there are montages of people doing that exact laughing.

My favorite is when President Obama did a skit on Jimmy Kimmel:

President Barack Obama wrote:
President Obama will go down as perhaps the worst president in the history of the United States. Exclamation point. @realDonaldTrump. Well, @realDonaldTrump, at least I will go down as a president."
 
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:07 pm

I have seen a few posters mention an economic melt down

https://www.businessinsider.com/gdp-tru ... na-2018-10

Republican tarrifs and trade wars are taking a toll on the economy. Coupled with tax cuts for the rich and the Stock Market erasing this year's gains, we will see that melt down. And who will be to blame?
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:12 pm

seb146 wrote:
And who will be to blame?

Soros-paid activist traders, of course. And the media.
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:36 am

seb146 wrote:
The more plausible scenario I have heard is that the golfer-in-chief, will fire Sessions, appoint Lindsey Graham, and the governor of South Carolina will, then, appoint Nikki Haley to fill Graham's seat. No way will he give up his power. If anything, he will make the executive branch even more powerful after the mid-terms, no matter who wins.


Actually it's more likely that Pence will be out and she will be on the ticket as Vice President.
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:26 am

NIKV69 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
The more plausible scenario I have heard is that the golfer-in-chief, will fire Sessions, appoint Lindsey Graham, and the governor of South Carolina will, then, appoint Nikki Haley to fill Graham's seat. No way will he give up his power. If anything, he will make the executive branch even more powerful after the mid-terms, no matter who wins.


Actually it's more likely that Pence will be out and she will be on the ticket as Vice President.


I had thought of that, but the evangelicals love Pence. Pence would have to voluntarily not run for Trump to keep their support, IMO.

Despite being a Republican, I do enjoy thinking of hypothetical match-ups, and the only one I can think of that MIGHT (big emphasis on that word) give Trump a real challenge might be if Biden runs. I just don’t see Warren, Booker, etc. getting enough of the vote to turn the White House blue in 2020. There could be some unknown out there who hasn’t come forward yet, and something tells me Trump might not be unopposed in the primaries.

Personally, I like some of what he’s done, and I question other things.

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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:34 am

I believe it might be up to Mueller if Trump & Family runs back to NYC or runs for a second term. The potential of Mueller's Report (and evidence sent to Congress and the NY Attorney General, as well as FBI's SDNY) can well change the public's opinion of Swamp Mouth. The power of that report cannot be hidden from the public. If Swamp Mouth isn't worried then someone needs how Nixon did.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:40 am

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I believe it might be up to Mueller if Trump & Family runs back to NYC or runs for a second term. The potential of Mueller's Report (and evidence sent to Congress and the NY Attorney General, as well as FBI's SDNY) can well change the public's opinion of Swamp Mouth. The power of that report cannot be hidden from the public. If Swamp Mouth isn't worried then someone needs how Nixon did.



One wonders if Swamp Mouth has the class or intelligence to go out for the good of the country as Nixon ended up doing, or will he go out kicking and screaming which seems to fit his style.
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:12 pm

A mix of issues could make Trump not run in 2020 including:
His health (physical and mental)
A major economic recession with significant job losses,
His continuing foolish comments that will turn off a lot of independent or swing voters,
A massacre at the border by American soldiers trying to keep out people illegally entering the USA,
Impeachment (or a serious attempt),
His and his companies Federal tax returns get out of hiding and to the public
Mueller names him, like with Nixon, as an unidicited co-conspiritor \or the SDNY gets a case against him.
Anything can happen.
 
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:29 pm

ltbewr wrote:
A mix of issues could make Trump not run in 2020 including:
His health (physical and mental)
A major economic recession with significant job losses,
His continuing foolish comments that will turn off a lot of independent or swing voters,
A massacre at the border by American soldiers trying to keep out people illegally entering the USA,
Impeachment (or a serious attempt),
His and his companies Federal tax returns get out of hiding and to the public
Mueller names him, like with Nixon, as an unidicited co-conspiritor \or the SDNY gets a case against him.
Anything can happen.


The only two things that I can see actually stopping him from running would be if he dies or has a stroke or if he is removed by Congress. In other words, things that would make him actually unable to run are the only things that would stop him from running. The rest of your conditions would make a run ill-advised, but when he has ever refrained from doing something he wants to do just because it's ill-advised?
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:06 pm

ltbewr wrote:
A massacre at the border by American soldiers trying to keep out people illegally entering the USA,


They are not deputized. They are performing a support function to relieve CBP agents so that those CBP agents may be redeployed to where they are needed more. They may transport CBP agents via helicopter and other military vehicles and potentially perform surveillance functions, but are not allowed to engage any persons crossing the border.
 
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:15 pm

I think Trump is reasonably popular. That is the thing about “populism.” That is why the cool people hate him. He could win again. He knows how.
 
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:23 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
A massacre at the border by American soldiers trying to keep out people illegally entering the USA,


They are not deputized. They are performing a support function to relieve CBP agents so that those CBP agents may be redeployed to where they are needed more. They may transport CBP agents via helicopter and other military vehicles and potentially perform surveillance functions, but are not allowed to engage any persons crossing the border.



Will they have weapons? Forget "deputized" if they have weapons.

All you need is for some young soldier(s) to panic and start pulling trigger(s). If you remember Kent State the thought of that should make you nervous.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:35 pm

Cadet985 wrote:

I had thought of that, but the evangelicals love Pence. Pence would have to voluntarily not run for Trump to keep their support, IMO.

Despite being a Republican, I do enjoy thinking of hypothetical match-ups, and the only one I can think of that MIGHT (big emphasis on that word) give Trump a real challenge might be if Biden runs. I just don’t see Warren, Booker, etc. getting enough of the vote to turn the White House blue in 2020. There could be some unknown out there who hasn’t come forward yet, and something tells me Trump might not be unopposed in the primaries.

Personally, I like some of what he’s done, and I question other things.

Marc


Evangelicals are going to vote for him anyway. Haley makes him more appealing to the middle. Biden would have beat him in 2016 and probably can beat him in 2020. All the others being floated have no chance.
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:48 pm

Ken777 wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
A massacre at the border by American soldiers trying to keep out people illegally entering the USA,


They are not deputized. They are performing a support function to relieve CBP agents so that those CBP agents may be redeployed to where they are needed more. They may transport CBP agents via helicopter and other military vehicles and potentially perform surveillance functions, but are not allowed to engage any persons crossing the border.



Will they have weapons? Forget "deputized" if they have weapons.

All you need is for some young soldier(s) to panic and start pulling trigger(s). If you remember Kent State the thought of that should make you nervous.

My thoughts exactly. Deputized or not, there is tremendous potential for that situation to go very wrong very quickly and for the footage of whatever happens to go around the world instantly.
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:35 am

trpmb6 wrote:
It's his ego that will be the reason he doesn't run. If he thinks he won't win, he will step aside and then the republican that loses he will just say "I would have won if I had decided to run again"

It's the perfect bait and switch.


BINGO

I doubt he’ll run again.

The guy will spend all of 2019 self-indulgently asking whether he should run again in such an unfair environment. He will stage rally after rally so he can continue perpetuating his victim complex. I think he may go so far as to accept the nomination only to step down because of the “unfairness” so he can die the victim he thinks he is.
 
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:29 am

Flighty wrote:
I think Trump is reasonably popular. That is the thing about “populism.” That is why the cool people hate him. He could win again. He knows how.

I am pretty sure they will elect him again. We have seen this before, Bush II had even more votes when he was elected for his second time.

His presidency reminds me a little bit of wrestling. It’s not real but people love it... since he provides a good show.

The issue seems to be that the Democrats have no proper candidate... the same problem like last time...

cledaybuck wrote:
There is no way Trump is not running. Have you seen this man's ego?

No, we have just a small TV. It’s too large to be displayed on a normal screen...
 
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:49 am

propero wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
It's his ego that will be the reason he doesn't run. If he thinks he won't win, he will step aside and then the republican that loses he will just say "I would have won if I had decided to run again"

It's the perfect bait and switch.


BINGO

I doubt he’ll run again.

The guy will spend all of 2019 self-indulgently asking whether he should run again in such an unfair environment. He will stage rally after rally so he can continue perpetuating his victim complex. I think he may go so far as to accept the nomination only to step down because of the “unfairness” so he can die the victim he thinks he is.


He has not yet divested himself from his corporations. He sees the huge... er... YUGE profits to be made from "former president" and all the TV time and book deals and everything he can endorse and make millions on. This is simply a publicity stunt. All the while, his narrow minded and bigoted Republican base thinks he is an actual god. Look at the evangelical sector.

This is so sick.
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Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:37 pm

narrow minded and bigoted Republican base


Project much? The Democratic base, esp progressives, are just as bigoted and believe their God (socialist greed) is on their side

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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:26 pm

seb146 wrote:

He has not yet divested himself from his corporations. He sees the huge... er... YUGE profits to be made from "former president" and all the TV time and book deals and everything he can endorse and make millions on. This is simply a publicity stunt. All the while, his narrow minded and bigoted Republican base thinks he is an actual god. Look at the evangelical sector.

This is so sick.


He's actually losing money. If he's using the presidency to make money he's doing a terrible job at it. Don't you think the left would be running ad after ad if he were actually profiting from his presidency?

As it is, President Obama has profited more from his presidency than Trump has from his own.
 
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:04 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
seb146 wrote:

He has not yet divested himself from his corporations. He sees the huge... er... YUGE profits to be made from "former president" and all the TV time and book deals and everything he can endorse and make millions on. This is simply a publicity stunt. All the while, his narrow minded and bigoted Republican base thinks he is an actual god. Look at the evangelical sector.

This is so sick.


He's actually losing money. If he's using the presidency to make money he's doing a terrible job at it. Don't you think the left would be running ad after ad if he were actually profiting from his presidency?

As it is, President Obama has profited more from his presidency than Trump has from his own.


Further proof of what a terrible business mind he has.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump ... tial-seal/
https://www.citizensforethics.org/profi ... residency/

He has not divested himself from his failing companies (as he promised) nor has he released his taxes (as he promised) Lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:08 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
narrow minded and bigoted Republican base


Project much? The Democratic base, esp progressives, are just as bigoted and believe their God (socialist greed) is on their side

GF


Christian groups complaining about Muslims holding prayer before government meetings, Christian groups suing to deny goods and services, Christian groups suing to tell everyone else who they can and can not marry, Christian groups suing to tell others what medical procedures they can and can not perform. They are all REPUBLICAN and they all believe that lying, cheating, greed, and hate are all Christian values.

Maybe if you Republicans didn't force Christianity and hate on everyone

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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:23 pm

Obama was right. For a party that has the House, Senate, and POTUS, the Republicans sure are a pissy lot.
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Re: Trump a No-Go in 20-20?

Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:37 pm

Ken777 wrote:
I believe it might be up to Mueller if Trump & Family runs back to NYC or runs for a second term. The potential of Mueller's Report (and evidence sent to Congress and the NY Attorney General, as well as FBI's SDNY) can well change the public's opinion of Swamp Mouth. The power of that report cannot be hidden from the public. If Swamp Mouth isn't worried then someone needs how Nixon did.



Can it though?

I mean seriously, there is probably only a small percentage of the public left that could be swayed by such report - somewhere over 50% of the American public already despise Trump (understandably) and another 35-40% have left behind any civility and shown they would defend literally anything he does. His 5th Avenue remarks might have sounded absurd in the campaign but after 2 years of watching him do his dirty deeds and be defended for it, I would fully sign off on them.

At the very best there might be 10% of the American electorate left whom such a report would sway - this may very well be enough to make sure he won't be reelected but what it, sadly enough, won't mean is a return to "normal" in US domestic politics.

Look at some of the forum members here, their track record of defending the indefensible, denial and double standards, and tell me that you're sure that a Mueller report would make them throw the entire administration under the bus.

I will bet against it and in fact can already predict the chain of argumentation in their responses:
1- "this never happened, fake news/Soros/Deep State"
2- "This might have happened b-but Democrats did XYZ"
3- "Well Democrats might have never done anything similar but who cares it wasn't that bad anyway, nothing to see here"
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