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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:54 pm

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The actual problem is that candidates who could win the presidential election, have no chance to win the nomination. The primaries will favour progressive leftist types, while the presidential election needs somebody more in the centre and also appealing to conservatives that are not right wing.

In the end they either have a candidate that will appeal to the party and will mobilize their supporters, but be too left and progressive to stand a chance, or a candidate more in the middle, but this won´t mobilize the supporters and many might even stay at home on election day. (Hillary effect)


I doubt there will be a repeat. Many people should be regretting not having voted for Hillary.

In France we had a similar situation in 2002-2007. Lionel Jospin lost the presidential election in 2002 by a thin margin because he didn't appeal enough to more leftists types, who instead voted for fringe candidates that made good results (hardcore communist candidates, several of them). Jospin had been in power for 5 years who are basically the best 5 years the country had seen in a long time and since, he would have made a good president, but didn't make it. Next election, the socialist candidate was much weaker and lost in the end, but that time she had the support of all the left, even communists and the like.

So clearly the Democratic party must run a center left candidate, with maybe one or two strong "leftist" ideas, like Obama did with Obamacare. Free college for example.
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:30 pm

Biden is my early favorite.
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:37 pm

The Democratic Party needs to explain what its platform is. The candidate who can do that will be the nominee. Personal arrogance is not a platform - while Trump was arrogant, he had an electrifying policy platform. Clinton was merely arrogant because she thought that was enough.
 
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:51 pm

Let’s take a look shall we?

Elizabeth Warren - no chance in hell after her embarrassing Pocahontas adventure
Joe Biden - possible, but a creep and not nearly magnetic enough to beat Trump
Kamala Harris - slept her way into the Senate with a married man and outside California barely anyone knows who she is anyway
Bernie Sanders - disenchanted after not fighting against the way Hillary rigged the primaries against him
Cory Booker - a sex scandal and probably other skeletons in the closet. He would be fun
Hillary Clinton - mentioning her because there is no way Philippe Reines dropping her name rcently was not testing the waters. Good god please run her again!
Michael Avenatti - lol
John Kerry - a traitor with a huge projection surface. Would almost be as much of a gift to Trump as Hillary 3.0

What a lineup. Trump will win in an even bigger landslide than 2016.
 
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:48 pm

I think Elizabeth warren is the strongest, she has the skillset to create political occasions. Unfortunately her personal conduct is irredeemable - like John Edwards, like HRC’s Iraq invasion vote, like Ted Kennedy’s drunk driving manslaughter during an adulterous fling in 1969. Things things are personal choices made as an adult that you probably have to answer for after you die. Things that put an asterisk on your entire life. So yeah, I don’t think Warren is viable.

I know of Amy Klobuchar, and while respectable, she doesn’t have political vision. Take a look at her Senate campaign site. No memorable political platform, just another person born “to govern...” not my cup of tea. She doesn’t say with any clarity what she is about. If humility is her calling card then she may at least have a calling card. Unclear. IMO
 
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:17 pm

I love how Republicans are telling Democrats how we have zero chance and why, from their right wing echo chamber. Republicans list a bunch of people and reasons they love their current leader. Sexual assault, over inflated ego, yelling, etc.

The difference between Democrats and Republicans is Democrats will fix ACA, lower the debt and deficit, make laws that protect ALL people, not just white evangelicals. And doing all that while not being angry and whining and violent.

But, let's face it, anyone who runs as "at least I am not the orange man baby!" will get more votes.......
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:31 pm

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I love how Republicans are telling Democrats how we have zero chance and why, from their right wing echo chamber. Republicans list a bunch of people and reasons they love their current leader. Sexual assault, over inflated ego, yelling, etc.

The difference between Democrats and Republicans is Democrats will fix ACA, lower the debt and deficit, make laws that protect ALL people, not just white evangelicals. And doing all that while not being angry and whining and violent.

But, let's face it, anyone who runs as "at least I am not the orange man baby!" will get more votes.......


Democrats will fix ACA and balance the budget? How?! It is time for them to tell the American people exactly how... 60% tax rate? Where does the govt greed end? It’s already the wealthiest organization in the world. My vote will be ready to go. Also if we have laws to protect both citizens and foreigners, it sounds great to me, please detail how we increase the living standards of American citizens while protecting others.
 
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:28 am

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Considering your track record picking Presidential candidates over the past decade (How is President Cuomo working out?) just can't take you seriously. Then you think Cathy McMorris Rodgers would make a good Speaker of the House, here she is fighting for her political life in a race that's too close to call.


Cuomo hasn't run yet so how can you make that reference? He is running but not till 2024. See his is a smart, astute politico. Not like these zealot gaslighters like Warren and Harris. Running in 2020 doesn't make sense with Trump a good chance at a second term and he doesn't need the TV time like them so he will wait and finish out his second term as Governor for NY. As for McMorris Rodgers I will wait till Tuesday night. Polls had Hillary winning by 10 points too ya know.
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:15 am

Flighty wrote:
seb146 wrote:
I love how Republicans are telling Democrats how we have zero chance and why, from their right wing echo chamber. Republicans list a bunch of people and reasons they love their current leader. Sexual assault, over inflated ego, yelling, etc.

The difference between Democrats and Republicans is Democrats will fix ACA, lower the debt and deficit, make laws that protect ALL people, not just white evangelicals. And doing all that while not being angry and whining and violent.

But, let's face it, anyone who runs as "at least I am not the orange man baby!" will get more votes.......


Democrats will fix ACA and balance the budget? How?! It is time for them to tell the American people exactly how... 60% tax rate? Where does the govt greed end? It’s already the wealthiest organization in the world. My vote will be ready to go. Also if we have laws to protect both citizens and foreigners, it sounds great to me, please detail how we increase the living standards of American citizens while protecting others.


Democrats always fix problems Republicans create. As much as Republicans do not want to hear it, we need taxes to pay down the debt that REPUBLICANS have been running up. Yes, it sucks, but Democrats will do it. Fix problems Republicans create. Democrats made sure to write ACA so it can be changed and made better. Republicans have the repeal down but still have ZERO for the replace. What is the replace? How are Republicans balancing the budget?
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:31 am

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Even if the house goes to the Dems and even if Mueller finds convincing evidence to impeach, remember the only way Trump gets removed from office is by a 2/3 vote of the Senate on the impeachment. There's more chance I'll be named the next Pope than for that to happen. Like him or not (I don't by the way), he's going to be POTUS and run again in 2020 unless he becomes medically unable, which considering his age and the shape he's in is not un-thinkable


If the GOP fails to keep the House then there will, IMO, be sufficient investigations to generate evidence to warrant a vote for Impeachment. There is no guarantee with way the Senate will go, but the illegal acts exposed can also be used in criminal indictment at the state or federal levels. That is Trump's biggest problems, especially since his kids are also at risk of criminal charges.

Trump's exposure to tax problems won't, by itself, cause him to deal, but a criminal charge might. The biggest question is if he will deal to save his kids. I'm not sure he is man enough to do that. If his ego is more than his. feelings for his kids then he will fight it out to stay in office and the kids better get really good lawyers.

BTW, we probably should be waiting until after the election to see who quits/gets fired from Trump's "team" and who Mueller indicted, who has negotiated deals with Mueller. Trump has forgotten the intensity when Mueller gets moving in courts.
 
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:36 am

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ER757 wrote:
Even if the house goes to the Dems and even if Mueller finds convincing evidence to impeach, remember the only way Trump gets removed from office is by a 2/3 vote of the Senate on the impeachment. There's more chance I'll be named the next Pope than for that to happen. Like him or not (I don't by the way), he's going to be POTUS and run again in 2020 unless he becomes medically unable, which considering his age and the shape he's in is not un-thinkable


If the GOP fails to keep the House then there will, IMO, be sufficient investigations to generate evidence to warrant a vote for Impeachment. There is no guarantee with way the Senate will go, but the illegal acts exposed can also be used in criminal indictment at the state or federal levels. That is Trump's biggest problems, especially since his kids are also at risk of criminal charges.

Trump's exposure to tax problems won't, by itself, cause him to deal, but a criminal charge might. The biggest question is if he will deal to save his kids. I'm not sure he is man enough to do that. If his ego is more than his. feelings for his kids then he will fight it out to stay in office and the kids better get really good lawyers.

BTW, we probably should be waiting until after the election to see who quits/gets fired from Trump's "team" and who Mueller indicted, who has negotiated deals with Mueller. Trump has forgotten the intensity when Mueller gets moving in courts.




I will cross my fingers, I will say a prayer, and I will jump for joy if the house goes Democratic and they find sufficient evidence to vote to Impeach. One good turn deserves another.
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:59 am

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The difference between Democrats and Republicans is Democrats will fix ACA, lower the debt and deficit


Oh, can you tell me how? The last brilliant idea I heard from Democrats to fix the ACA was Medicare for all with a 32 trillion funding shortfall. Good luck balancing the budget with that, let alone lower the debt.
 
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Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:10 am

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Democrats always fix problems Republicans create. As much as Republicans do not want to hear it, we need taxes to pay down the debt that REPUBLICANS have been running up. Yes, it sucks, but Democrats will do it.



Really? Let's check the facts. Total debt run up by Democratic administrations since WW2: 11.556 trillion. Total debt run up by Republican administrations since WW2: 11.037 trillion. Check mate, buddy.
 
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Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:45 pm

aviationaware wrote:
seb146 wrote:
The difference between Democrats and Republicans is Democrats will fix ACA, lower the debt and deficit


Oh, can you tell me how? The last brilliant idea I heard from Democrats to fix the ACA was Medicare for all with a 32 trillion funding shortfall. Good luck balancing the budget with that, let alone lower the debt.


I googled that number and it is spin and fuzzy math. Health care spending would actually DECREASE over the same period. But, if you latch onto one single number, sure, you win on a technicality.

ONE plan Democrats have

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3 ... -obamacare

But, since it is more important to fund raise and get re-elected, not much goes on in the House.....
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:49 pm

aviationaware wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Democrats always fix problems Republicans create. As much as Republicans do not want to hear it, we need taxes to pay down the debt that REPUBLICANS have been running up. Yes, it sucks, but Democrats will do it.



Really? Let's check the facts. Total debt run up by Democratic administrations since WW2: 11.556 trillion. Total debt run up by Republican administrations since WW2: 11.037 trillion. Check mate, buddy.


Source, please? Not Breitbart or Fox infotainment but an actual, honest to god source. Please and thank you.
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:20 pm

seb146 wrote:
aviationaware wrote:
seb146 wrote:
The difference between Democrats and Republicans is Democrats will fix ACA, lower the debt and deficit


Oh, can you tell me how? The last brilliant idea I heard from Democrats to fix the ACA was Medicare for all with a 32 trillion funding shortfall. Good luck balancing the budget with that, let alone lower the debt.


I googled that number and it is spin and fuzzy math. Health care spending would actually DECREASE over the same period. But, if you latch onto one single number, sure, you win on a technicality.

ONE plan Democrats have

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3 ... -obamacare

But, since it is more important to fund raise and get re-elected, not much goes on in the House.....


If you think that such a massive expansion of the government, creation of a government monopoly and curtailment of the private market will lower overall healthcare costs you probably also believe in Santa. There is not a single case in history where government was ever more efficient than private enterprise. It’s logically impossible.

seb146 wrote:
aviationaware wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Democrats always fix problems Republicans create. As much as Republicans do not want to hear it, we need taxes to pay down the debt that REPUBLICANS have been running up. Yes, it sucks, but Democrats will do it.



Really? Let's check the facts. Total debt run up by Democratic administrations since WW2: 11.556 trillion. Total debt run up by Republican administrations since WW2: 11.037 trillion. Check mate, buddy.


Source, please? Not Breitbart or Fox infotainment but an actual, honest to god source. Please and thank you.


Source: My on calculation. Go ahead, recalculate it if you want to. The debt numbers you need are only one google search away and are official government data.
 
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:09 pm

aviationaware wrote:
seb146 wrote:
aviationaware wrote:

Oh, can you tell me how? The last brilliant idea I heard from Democrats to fix the ACA was Medicare for all with a 32 trillion funding shortfall. Good luck balancing the budget with that, let alone lower the debt.


I googled that number and it is spin and fuzzy math. Health care spending would actually DECREASE over the same period. But, if you latch onto one single number, sure, you win on a technicality.

ONE plan Democrats have

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3 ... -obamacare

But, since it is more important to fund raise and get re-elected, not much goes on in the House.....


If you think that such a massive expansion of the government, creation of a government monopoly and curtailment of the private market will lower overall healthcare costs you probably also believe in Santa. There is not a single case in history where government was ever more efficient than private enterprise. It’s logically impossible.


No one ever said anything about getting rid of private insurance.

aviationaware wrote:
seb146 wrote:
aviationaware wrote:


Really? Let's check the facts. Total debt run up by Democratic administrations since WW2: 11.556 trillion. Total debt run up by Republican administrations since WW2: 11.037 trillion. Check mate, buddy.


Source, please? Not Breitbart or Fox infotainment but an actual, honest to god source. Please and thank you.


Source: My on calculation. Go ahead, recalculate it if you want to. The debt numbers you need are only one google search away and are official government data.


I see. Just make stuff up. It works for Republicans in general, so it must work for you, right?
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:54 pm

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The Democratic Party needs to explain what its platform is. The candidate who can do that will be the nominee. Personal arrogance is not a platform - while Trump was arrogant, he had an electrifying policy platform. Clinton was merely arrogant because she thought that was enough.


The GOP will be writing the Dem's platform as soon as the public learns how high their health insurance is going to increase this month. I've read an AVERAGE of 16%, increase which employers will really love. They'll be calling the Dem for help. When the employees see their increases they will be listening to the Dems as well. People like me on Medicare will be OK, but their kids won't.

To make it simple, after the GOP SNAFU with health care they will either help fix their mess or they go down further.
 
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Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:28 pm

aviationaware wrote:
seb146 wrote:
The difference between Democrats and Republicans is Democrats will fix ACA, lower the debt and deficit


Oh, can you tell me how? The last brilliant idea I heard from Democrats to fix the ACA was Medicare for all with a 32 trillion funding shortfall. Good luck balancing the budget with that, let alone lower the debt.


Fuzzy Wuzzy Math


Take Australia as an example - it is the one I have experience with

FIRST - there continues to be private insurance, regardless of the lies that the GOP spews.

SECOND - There is a MediBank system that is funded by a 3% tax on earnings, IF you have private insurance then the tax goes down to 2%. In other words the government is financially motivating you to get private insurance with a tax cut if you do. If you don't want to pay then go with your MediBank card. Going to the Doc, you pay the same as privately insured for an office visit. Get sent to the Hospital? Your MediBank card pays, period, at the public hospitals. Those are both the major hospitals as well as various speciality and community hospitals. Speciality hospitals include Children's Hospitals & Women's Hospitals.

THIRD - there is no cost shifting because of people who are not insured. That provides drastic cuts in costs we have in the US. Don't believe me? Go to any major hospital in the US as ask the nurse running around if there are patients there that are not insured. You'll love the look you get.

COSTS - Because of business travel I had to get lPrivate insurance Down Under. My US insurance was $1,100.00 per month for the wife and I. Half for each. So my US insurance was $550. My Aussie Private Insurance was $88 a month. That's not a typo - $88 a month. And it was far superior to the US policy.

Looking at that comparison it is pretty easy to see that the US approach is far more expensive than a "socialist" approach.

BTW, try thinking about the massive cuts that employers will get under an Aussie approach. When I lived there there was no "Employee Health Insurance" line on budgets or P&L's. Companies don't have the burden of that cost when looking at increasing or decreasing staffing. In good times it allows them to hire more and in bad times it allows them to let fewer go. Trump's arguing against that.
 
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Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:32 pm

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Biden is my early favorite.


Might wanna start with someone, I don’t know, that isn’t a Grandpa yet.
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Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:09 pm

Ken777 wrote:
Flighty wrote:
The Democratic Party needs to explain what its platform is. The candidate who can do that will be the nominee. Personal arrogance is not a platform - while Trump was arrogant, he had an electrifying policy platform. Clinton was merely arrogant because she thought that was enough.


The GOP will be writing the Dem's platform as soon as the public learns how high their health insurance is going to increase this month. I've read an AVERAGE of 16%, increase which employers will really love. They'll be calling the Dem for help. When the employees see their increases they will be listening to the Dems as well. People like me on Medicare will be OK, but their kids won't.

To make it simple, after the GOP SNAFU with health care they will either help fix their mess or they go down further.


Glad you are saving on health care, so you can pay astronomical taxes and home prices that are eye watering.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-22/australian-housing-unaffordability-experts-disagree-on-extent/9349796

Using the Australian tax calculator, my last year’s income tax, at the exchange rate at the time would have easily been 2.5 times my US taxes. Care to explain how home prices are so high AND the tax bite so large?

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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:10 pm

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Source: My on calculation. Go ahead, recalculate it if you want to. The debt numbers you need are only one google search away and are official government data.


I'll just assume for a minute that your numbers are right (don't think you're lying but I usually like to look things up myself.)

I think simply adding the debt under a Democrat vs under a Republican is flawed. Why? For a myriad of reasons.

First, inflation? What if one party racked up a similar amount of debt in unadjusted dollars earlier in the window that would skew it wildly when adjusted for inflation? Though sometimes inflation is factored in so if it is, then disregard this point.

Second, it ignores context. Can we directly credit a party for a post war boom? Blame 9/11's economic impact on Bush? Can we pin the economy free falling on Obama when most of those factors happened before he was elected? Blame him for the stimulus when there probably would've been a stimulus under President McCain?

Third, related to a previous point, what about a president that inherits a large deficit and works tirelessly to reduce it, vs a president inheriting a healthy budget and blowing it up? What if the latter technically had less debt added overall?

Fourth, even with all that considered, I hear some credit Clinton for the budget surplus in the 1990s while some credit the Republicans in Congress for forcing it. Who gets credit for that surplus? I'd say it's bipartisan, but nobody these days likes that answer....

Fifth, why go back to WWII? I wouldn't be surprised if we could pick a "random" year and find a point where from X year to present the GOP added more debt. Maybe I'm wrong. But in general, I don't like going back 75 years when comparing the two parties, it's not fair. A Republican in 1950 might have quite a few views that would get him or her slammed as a RINO today, even Reagan and Bush had some ideas that would be blasphemous today. And how gay friendly do you think a 1950s Democrat was? I'd say a good chunk of modern day Republicans are more gay friendly than most 1950s Democrats.... It isn't useful going back that far, gotta stick to the modern era.

I think one needs to do a much more detailed analysis of the debt before making a judgement. In reality, the debt is a huge problem, and both parties suck at addressing it. I don't know who is worse on it, Republicans who say they care and blow up the debt, or Democrats that don't make as big of a deal on it and blow up the debt.

I will say, though, I am a lot more skeptical of the Democrat 2020 candidates... I'm hearing a LOT more about expansion and programs and a lot less on how to pay for it. It's becoming much more vaguely about "taxing the rich more." Numbers, please, by independent sources. We REALLY need to tackle the debt, and the reality is, it's gonna have to be bipartisan and both sides will have to give up stuff (yeah right)
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:51 am

Well tonight's result seem like a good base to build a Beto campaign on - he put up a really strong fight in Texas but still, losing it Democrats could run him without having to worry about replacement for his Senate seat.

I could very well see him as part of a 2020 ticket
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:56 am

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Well tonight's result seem like a good base to build a Beto campaign on - he put up a really strong fight in Texas but still, losing it Democrats could run him without having to worry about replacement for his Senate seat.

I could very well see him as part of a 2020 ticket


Francis couldn’t beat Ted Cruz, the biggest jackhole in the Senate. You peeps crack me up. Bring on the fresh meat. They’re like a fourth rate farm team for the worst baseball team in the nation.

It should have been a complete slaughter tonight. Night night Francis.
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:57 am

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Well tonight's result seem like a good base to build a Beto campaign on - he put up a really strong fight in Texas but still, losing it Democrats could run him without having to worry about replacement for his Senate seat.

I could very well see him as part of a 2020 ticket

Considering his campaign received outside support, he could very well be a good front-runner: uniting the progressive base while appealing to the establishment and centrist bases. I'd be eager to see polls including him.
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:10 am

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Francis couldn’t beat Ted Cruz, the biggest jackhole in the Senate. You peeps crack me up. Bring on the fresh meat. They’re like a fourth rate farm team for the worst baseball team in the nation.

It should have been a complete slaughter tonight. Night night Francis.



Do you really believe this is because Beto was a bad candidate and NOT because Texas voters are stubbornly voting against their own interest and the state legislature employs hard-core voter suppression, disenfranchisement and gerrymandering?

In the 2000s alone Texans have elected no Republican senator with less than +12 percentage points, including Ted Cruz.
Beto got within 3% of winning the seat - tell me again how this isn't a medium-tier political earthquake
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:23 am

lugie wrote:
DL717 wrote:
Francis couldn’t beat Ted Cruz, the biggest jackhole in the Senate. You peeps crack me up. Bring on the fresh meat. They’re like a fourth rate farm team for the worst baseball team in the nation.

It should have been a complete slaughter tonight. Night night Francis.



Do you really believe this is because Beto was a bad candidate and NOT because Texas voters are stubbornly voting against their own interest and the state legislature employs hard-core voter suppression, disenfranchisement and gerrymandering?

In the 2000s alone Texans have elected no Republican senator with less than +12 percentage points, including Ted Cruz.
Beto got within 3% of winning the seat - tell me again how this isn't a medium-tier political earthquake


Keep telling yourself that.

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Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:03 am

I heard that in 2016 there were people who would have voted for Sanders and then get disappointed by the byelection result and voted for Trump instead. Democrats in the US would probably be better off to pick someone like Sanders in 2020?
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:34 am

DL717 wrote:
lugie wrote:
Well tonight's result seem like a good base to build a Beto campaign on - he put up a really strong fight in Texas but still, losing it Democrats could run him without having to worry about replacement for his Senate seat.

I could very well see him as part of a 2020 ticket


Francis couldn’t beat Ted Cruz, the biggest jackhole in the Senate. You peeps crack me up. Bring on the fresh meat. They’re like a fourth rate farm team for the worst baseball team in the nation.

It should have been a complete slaughter tonight. Night night Francis.


Rafael may be a jackhole, but it is still Texas and actually, more Texans like him than the media often portray. Actually, Rafael is a bit like Drumpf - either you like him, or you absolutely hate him.

P.S. In MO McCaskill get to run against Todd “legitimate rape” Akin in 2012, and nearby (Indiana) Donnelly get to run against Richard “rape is something god intended” Mourdock. Not surprisingly, Republican this time around run a candidate that is a lot more “normal”, and it is back to normalcy (i.e. Back to Republican). Hack, if not for Republican to insist that kicking out Dick Lugar is a good idea, there would never even be Sen. Donnelly to begin with, and Indiana will remain what it always was - deep red, backward state.

c933103 wrote:
I heard that in 2016 there were people who would have voted for Sanders and then get disappointed by the byelection result and voted for Trump instead. Democrats in the US would probably be better off to pick someone like Sanders in 2020?


Or those Bernie Bros simply stayed home.

No to Sanders for me, but definite yes on Beto, who actually got charisma, is unapologetic liberal (no more centrist at least as the prez), can draw a crowd, and most importantly, is not an old geezer (sorry, Sanders or even Liz Warren).
 
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:19 am

c933103 wrote:
I heard that in 2016 there were people who would have voted for Sanders and then get disappointed by the byelection result and voted for Trump instead. Democrats in the US would probably be better off to pick someone like Sanders in 2020?


Oh God. Please do!
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:04 pm

Beto O’Rourke 2020

Just goes to show how ridiculous some folks are though....voting for Lyin Ted. Ted Cruz is a fraud, mentally unstable, a cheat, and on top of that, he’s not even a real American.
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:08 pm

Ken777 wrote:
Flighty wrote:
The Democratic Party needs to explain what its platform is. The candidate who can do that will be the nominee. Personal arrogance is not a platform - while Trump was arrogant, he had an electrifying policy platform. Clinton was merely arrogant because she thought that was enough.


The GOP will be writing the Dem's platform as soon as the public learns how high their health insurance is going to increase this month. I've read an AVERAGE of 16%, increase which employers will really love. They'll be calling the Dem for help. When the employees see their increases they will be listening to the Dems as well. People like me on Medicare will be OK, but their kids won't.

To make it simple, after the GOP SNAFU with health care they will either help fix their mess or they go down further.


Source on your 16% number?

My employer just announced benefit renewal season with 0% increase in healthcare costs.
 
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:11 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
DL717 wrote:
lugie wrote:
Well tonight's result seem like a good base to build a Beto campaign on - he put up a really strong fight in Texas but still, losing it Democrats could run him without having to worry about replacement for his Senate seat.

I could very well see him as part of a 2020 ticket


Francis couldn’t beat Ted Cruz, the biggest jackhole in the Senate. You peeps crack me up. Bring on the fresh meat. They’re like a fourth rate farm team for the worst baseball team in the nation.

It should have been a complete slaughter tonight. Night night Francis.


Rafael may be a jackhole, but it is still Texas and actually, more Texans like him than the media often portray. Actually, Rafael is a bit like Drumpf - either you like him, or you absolutely hate him.

P.S. In MO McCaskill get to run against Todd “legitimate rape” Akin in 2012, and nearby (Indiana) Donnelly get to run against Richard “rape is something god intended” Mourdock. Not surprisingly, Republican this time around run a candidate that is a lot more “normal”, and it is back to normalcy (i.e. Back to Republican). Hack, if not for Republican to insist that kicking out Dick Lugar is a good idea, there would never even be Sen. Donnelly to begin with, and Indiana will remain what it always was - deep red, backward state.

c933103 wrote:
I heard that in 2016 there were people who would have voted for Sanders and then get disappointed by the byelection result and voted for Trump instead. Democrats in the US would probably be better off to pick someone like Sanders in 2020?


Or those Bernie Bros simply stayed home.

No to Sanders for me, but definite yes on Beto, who actually got charisma, is unapologetic liberal (no more centrist at least as the prez), can draw a crowd, and most importantly, is not an old geezer (sorry, Sanders or even Liz Warren).


The “unapologetic liberals” went 0 for 9 in competitive House, Senate, and Governor elections, but you do you.

https://mobile.twitter.com/HotlineJosh/ ... 9329897474
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:20 pm

Ken777 wrote:
ER757 wrote:
Even if the house goes to the Dems and even if Mueller finds convincing evidence to impeach, remember the only way Trump gets removed from office is by a 2/3 vote of the Senate on the impeachment. There's more chance I'll be named the next Pope than for that to happen. Like him or not (I don't by the way), he's going to be POTUS and run again in 2020 unless he becomes medically unable, which considering his age and the shape he's in is not un-thinkable


If the GOP fails to keep the House then there will, IMO, be sufficient investigations to generate evidence to warrant a vote for Impeachment. There is no guarantee with way the Senate will go, but the illegal acts exposed can also be used in criminal indictment at the state or federal levels. That is Trump's biggest problems, especially since his kids are also at risk of criminal charges.

Trump's exposure to tax problems won't, by itself, cause him to deal, but a criminal charge might. The biggest question is if he will deal to save his kids. I'm not sure he is man enough to do that. If his ego is more than his. feelings for his kids then he will fight it out to stay in office and the kids better get really good lawyers.

BTW, we probably should be waiting until after the election to see who quits/gets fired from Trump's "team" and who Mueller indicted, who has negotiated deals with Mueller. Trump has forgotten the intensity when Mueller gets moving in courts.


Lol, a vote to impeach Trump won’t actually go anywhere as it requires large majorities in both House and Senate to convict, and would basically guarantee Trump’s re-election. Nancy Pelosi isn’t a bright bulb but she’s certainly smarter than you.

Apparently you weren’t paying attention to US politics in the 90s.
 
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:43 pm

FreequentFlier wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
DL717 wrote:

Francis couldn’t beat Ted Cruz, the biggest jackhole in the Senate. You peeps crack me up. Bring on the fresh meat. They’re like a fourth rate farm team for the worst baseball team in the nation.

It should have been a complete slaughter tonight. Night night Francis.


Rafael may be a jackhole, but it is still Texas and actually, more Texans like him than the media often portray. Actually, Rafael is a bit like Drumpf - either you like him, or you absolutely hate him.

P.S. In MO McCaskill get to run against Todd “legitimate rape” Akin in 2012, and nearby (Indiana) Donnelly get to run against Richard “rape is something god intended” Mourdock. Not surprisingly, Republican this time around run a candidate that is a lot more “normal”, and it is back to normalcy (i.e. Back to Republican). Hack, if not for Republican to insist that kicking out Dick Lugar is a good idea, there would never even be Sen. Donnelly to begin with, and Indiana will remain what it always was - deep red, backward state.

c933103 wrote:
I heard that in 2016 there were people who would have voted for Sanders and then get disappointed by the byelection result and voted for Trump instead. Democrats in the US would probably be better off to pick someone like Sanders in 2020?


Or those Bernie Bros simply stayed home.

No to Sanders for me, but definite yes on Beto, who actually got charisma, is unapologetic liberal (no more centrist at least as the prez), can draw a crowd, and most importantly, is not an old geezer (sorry, Sanders or even Liz Warren).


The “unapologetic liberals” went 0 for 9 in competitive House, Senate, and Governor elections, but you do you.

https://mobile.twitter.com/HotlineJosh/ ... 9329897474


I will take Beto losing by 3 or Abrams losing by 2 over Joe “I will say anything to get reelected” Donnelly losing by whooping 10% all day long.

Plus TX and GA overall are still pretty red.
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:18 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
I will take Beto losing by 3 or Abrams losing by 2 over Joe “I will say anything to get reelected” Donnelly losing by whooping 10% all day long.

Plus TX and GA overall are still pretty red.


Cruz was weak. Just have to compare his numbers vs abbott's Crazy how much better the governor did.

I thought for sure that Abrams would win Georgia. I'm actually a little shocked by it. Even I (a far right conservative) thought Kemp's campaign ads were crass. I thought Oprah sealed the deal.

Gillum made the race in Florida closer than i thought it would be. Once I saw the numbers for the I40 corridor though i knew he (and Nelson) were toast though. I think Gillum underperofrmed in Miami Dade because of the cuban population there. Many of them know what it's like to live under the type of policies he supported. Plus nobody wants income taxes when you have none to start with.
 
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:42 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
FreequentFlier wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:

Rafael may be a jackhole, but it is still Texas and actually, more Texans like him than the media often portray. Actually, Rafael is a bit like Drumpf - either you like him, or you absolutely hate him.

P.S. In MO McCaskill get to run against Todd “legitimate rape” Akin in 2012, and nearby (Indiana) Donnelly get to run against Richard “rape is something god intended” Mourdock. Not surprisingly, Republican this time around run a candidate that is a lot more “normal”, and it is back to normalcy (i.e. Back to Republican). Hack, if not for Republican to insist that kicking out Dick Lugar is a good idea, there would never even be Sen. Donnelly to begin with, and Indiana will remain what it always was - deep red, backward state.



Or those Bernie Bros simply stayed home.

No to Sanders for me, but definite yes on Beto, who actually got charisma, is unapologetic liberal (no more centrist at least as the prez), can draw a crowd, and most importantly, is not an old geezer (sorry, Sanders or even Liz Warren).


The “unapologetic liberals” went 0 for 9 in competitive House, Senate, and Governor elections, but you do you.

https://mobile.twitter.com/HotlineJosh/ ... 9329897474


I will take Beto losing by 3 or Abrams losing by 2 over Joe “I will say anything to get reelected” Donnelly losing by whooping 10% all day long.

Plus TX and GA overall are still pretty red.


Exactly!!

I would add in Richard Ojeda in WV.
He lost a West Virginia seat by 13 points in a district that Trump carried by 50 points which is a big improvement which shows when you run on the issues and not running at GOP-light people actually show up.

The fact that democrats can gain in what are solid red states means that they are heading in the right direction. People want politicians with a backbone.
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:45 pm

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Cruz was weak. Just have to compare his numbers vs abbott's Crazy how much better the governor did.

I thought for sure that Abrams would win Georgia. I'm actually a little shocked by it. Even I (a far right conservative) thought Kemp's campaign ads were crass. I thought Oprah sealed the deal.

Gillum made the race in Florida closer than i thought it would be. Once I saw the numbers for the I40 corridor though i knew he (and Nelson) were toast though. I think Gillum underperofrmed in Miami Dade because of the cuban population there. Many of them know what it's like to live under the type of policies he supported. Plus nobody wants income taxes when you have none to start with.


Gillum and Nelson for me is always a toss-up. Republican are able kept their 1%-ish advantage, though.

One of the most telling for me is how much better Beto did in (rich) suburbs than Valdez. Take Fort Bend County, my former home. Suburban Houston, 2nd highest per capita income in the state (Ok, technically 3rd, but who cares about Loving County and the 82 people there) and also highly diverse (That 35-20-25-20 White-Af. Amer.-Hispanics-Asian ratio is insane, nowhere else in US you can find such an equal distribution) Beto won 55-45 but Abbott won 50-49. Same story in Collin County, suburban Dallas, again fairly diverse and is the richest county by household income per capita in Texas. Abbott win 58-42 while Cruz only won 53-47. Hack, even Williamson County (Northern suburb of Austin) went for Beto (and Abbott), and Williamson County had always been red compare to the ultra blue bastion known as Travis County (home of Austin, TX). Same story in Hays County (Which has some southern suburbs of Austin).

As for Abrams - well, she just didn't quite have enough votes. Turning 53-45 (Which is what Nathan Deal won by the previous two elections) into 50.5-48 is already quite a bit. Kemp is definitely not very likable, though.

Yes, there's no "moral victory", but maybe turning Texas purple (Which would be a HUGE loss for Republicans - those 38 EVs in Texas play a huge part in offsetting CA's 55 EVs; you got FL's 29 EVs, but Florida is always in recount margin) is not such an impossibility afterall.
 
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Re: Democratic Candidates for 2020

Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:04 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:

As for Abrams - well, she just didn't quite have enough votes. Turning 53-45 (Which is what Nathan Deal won by the previous two elections) into 50.5-48 is already quite a bit. Kemp is definitely not very likable, though.

Yes, there's no "moral victory", but maybe turning Texas purple (Which would be a HUGE loss for Republicans - those 38 EVs in Texas play a huge part in offsetting CA's 55 EVs; you got FL's 29 EVs, but Florida is always in recount margin) is not such an impossibility afterall.



Abrams is currently trailing by around 70,000 votes in Georgia, pretty much the number that Kemp purged from voter rolls recently so one could even dare to say that, had there not been an abuse of power by Kemp as SecState, she would have had a very realistic chance of taking the governor's mansion.

Florida is of course frustrating, especially with Nelson losing to Scott as well but something good came out of there last night: The referendum to restore voting rights to 1.4 million felons (except for sex offenders and murderers) passed at the ballot, so for the 2020 election we might be looking at a whole new situation in FL. This is a massive reenfranchisement of voters who were overwhelmingly minorities.
Nelson is currently behind by around 45,000 and Gillum by 55,000 votes; Trump won Florida by around 110,000. Getting those 1.4 million into the equation could potentially turn Florida's purple a couple of shades bluer
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