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Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:14 pm

Flighty wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Flighty wrote:

And my goals include being Jessica Alba's next husband... so what?

And the answer to both is (probably) no. Case closed. Now why do you *really* think Trump is making this a national security crisis?


Trump understands that putting some troops on the border will make voters happy. And he is right, it will.

You think demonizing immigrants and refugees is in order to put troops on the border? :confused:
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Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:32 pm

*********NEWS FLASH************************


Basically as smarter folks on this thread have asserted. This whole issue highlights the Trump administrations willful misuse of Federal resources and Tax payer money for political division using racism and Xenophobia.


https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administ ... ps-1193694


"But, of the thousands of people estimated to have been traveling with the caravan at the time, officials believed that only 20 percent would likely make it to the U.S. border, based on historical analysis.

To put this into perspective, if the U.S. had estimated that around 7,000 migrants were traveling toward the border with the caravan as of October 25, then it would have also determined that fewer than 1,500 would be likely to make it to the country’s ports of entry. The intelligence assessment was still being briefed to commanders as of October 27, according to the documents"
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Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:47 pm

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This is nothing more than fear mongering by Trump and the Republicans.


Probably, I mean I would love some people that throw rocks at police in my country. :sarcastic:
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:06 am

The last immigrant caravan: What happened with them?
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:44 am

The USA is facing a serious social and political conflict from immigration due to the lack of sound laws and enforcement for decades by both of our political parties, cheap and exploitable labor the often USA government's support of polices in the source countries that are driving them here. Trump as President is reacting to a vocal plurality to crack down on illegal immigration for political reasons to keep him and Republicans in power. Troops on our borders well be strictly limited in what they can do because of our Constitution and laws, unlike most other countries that can use regular military to enforce the border. I just hope no one gets killed over this at the border. That would just make things ugly on both sides.
The real answer is to correct our polices in the source countries so they won't have to leave them, enforce current laws as to employers to require legality checks, and sound border enforcement.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:22 am

ltbewr wrote:
The USA is facing a serious social and political conflict from immigration due to the lack of sound laws and enforcement for decades by both of our political parties, cheap and exploitable labor the often USA government's support of polices in the source countries that are driving them here. Trump as President is reacting to a vocal plurality to crack down on illegal immigration for political reasons to keep him and Republicans in power. Troops on our borders well be strictly limited in what they can do because of our Constitution and laws, unlike most other countries that can use regular military to enforce the border. I just hope no one gets killed over this at the border. That would just make things ugly on both sides.
The real answer is to correct our polices in the source countries so they won't have to leave them, enforce current laws as to employers to require legality checks, and sound border enforcement.


"enforce current laws as to employers to require legality checks"

Everything said in this thread and every other thread on this subject can be replaced by those words. And until those words are taken seriously everything said or done in regard to the illegal immigration of persons is utter bullshit. They will keep coming as long as they can make enough money to feed and house themselves and buy a pickup truck for the old man. For most people in Latin America there is no way out of a nothingness existence other than to go north. As long as we allow it they will come, wall or no wall, soldiers on the border or whatever else; as long as we give them an option that takes them out of the dead end existence back home, they will keep coming.

Until a few American businesses are confiscated and a half a dozen American employers or so are hauled off to jail for significant jail terms, nothing is going to change. If real labor laws are enacted and enforced, employers will very soon come to the realization that they either hire American workers (which means paying competitive wages) or lose everything - then the whole paradigm will change. Until then everything else is bullshit.

And yes, a few items will cost a trifling amount more, but the money will stay in the US. A bonus for the Latins would be for the drain on their most ambitious people to end and that the pressure for real reform will increase.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:21 am

salttee wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
The USA is facing a serious social and political conflict from immigration due to the lack of sound laws and enforcement for decades by both of our political parties, cheap and exploitable labor the often USA government's support of polices in the source countries that are driving them here. Trump as President is reacting to a vocal plurality to crack down on illegal immigration for political reasons to keep him and Republicans in power. Troops on our borders well be strictly limited in what they can do because of our Constitution and laws, unlike most other countries that can use regular military to enforce the border. I just hope no one gets killed over this at the border. That would just make things ugly on both sides.
The real answer is to correct our polices in the source countries so they won't have to leave them, enforce current laws as to employers to require legality checks, and sound border enforcement.


"enforce current laws as to employers to require legality checks"

Everything said in this thread and every other thread on this subject can be replaced by those words. And until those words are taken seriously everything said or done in regard to the illegal immigration of persons is utter bullshit. They will keep coming as long as they can make enough money to feed and house themselves and buy a pickup truck for the old man. For most people in Latin America there is no way out of a nothingness existence other than to go north. As long as we allow it they will come, wall or no wall, soldiers on the border or whatever else; as long as we give them an option that takes them out of the dead end existence back home, they will keep coming.

Until a few American businesses are confiscated and a half a dozen American employers or so are hauled off to jail for significant jail terms, nothing is going to change. If real labor laws are enacted and enforced, employers will very soon come to the realization that they either hire American workers (which means paying competitive wages) or lose everything - then the whole paradigm will change. Until then everything else is bullshit.

And yes, a few items will cost a trifling amount more, but the money will stay in the US. A bonus for the Latins would be for the drain on their most ambitious people to end and that the pressure for real reform will increase.


Unfortunately, "enforcing current laws" will not work for Republicans. That takes a lot of work to actually enforce current laws and the results are not seen overnight. However, sending a couple thousand troops to "enforce" the border and celebrating a two mile stretch of the border that had already been funded and scheduled for replacement is what the base wants. Instant gratification.
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:29 am

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Unfortunately, "enforcing current laws" will not work for Republicans. That takes a lot of work to actually enforce current laws and the results are not seen overnight. However, sending a couple thousand troops to "enforce" the border and celebrating a two mile stretch of the border that had already been funded and scheduled for replacement is what the base wants. Instant gratification.

Actually if they were to get serious about it the situation would come to an end pretty quickly. And it wouldn't take much effort to implement it.

The real problem is that the people who own the farms and businesses that employ illegals have a lot of political clout. A few thousand of them have more political clout than hundreds of millions of the rest of us. Remember, all that talk about "democracy" is just a load of bullshit. We are living in an oligarchy.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:21 am

What should have happened, and has been proposed in the past, is a limited work permit/visa so they are still citizens of their home countries, but can work here with defined limits of time, has to be renewed and for certain classes of work like on farms, ranches, meat processing, nannies, home helpers and for those with medical conditions, jobs US citizens won't do. They would have to go home to get such a visa, subject to criminal and other background checks. Numbers of such visas/permits could be limited to near need, wouldn't allow a spouse of children to be with you. That would be a good balance for all and as would limit exploitation by employers and give them protections of law including safety and health. Employers would have to pay a modest tax to cover medical costs, provide workers' compensation costs. The permits would also allow workers to get limited state drivers' licenses, subject to CDL rules if operate such vehicles. Permits/visas could be revoked and deportation if a person arrested for a significant crime.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:43 am

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The President ran on securing the border. Another promise being kept. Thank goodness President Trump is a man of action.


Gotta hand it to Trump, sending more US troops to stop poor people seeking asylum than US troops fighting ISIS. Good to see the USA has it's priorities straight.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:59 am

I’m all for still penalties toward those that employ illegal workers. Heck, ive even argued that this wall is foolish when higher punishment toward businesses would solve our issues much quicker and with obvious far less cost.

Now with that said, how do some of you reconcile supporting sanctuary cities yet you want to enforce these labor laws? How would that even work? You don’t want ICE to deport workers, but you are taking away their ability to work? You really can’t have it both ways... either enforce the laws or don’t.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:14 pm

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I’m all for still penalties toward those that employ illegal workers. Heck, ive even argued that this wall is foolish when higher punishment toward businesses would solve our issues much quicker and with obvious far less cost.

Now with that said, how do some of you reconcile supporting sanctuary cities yet you want to enforce these labor laws? How would that even work? You don’t want ICE to deport workers, but you are taking away their ability to work? You really can’t have it both ways... either enforce the laws or don’t.
The two issues aren't related, besides, cutting off the flow of money to illegals would change everything.; in short order the entire problem would disappear. This is just more Republican whataboutism on your part. Better yet, enmeshment followed by whataboutism, which has become a standard Republican propaganda tactic.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:33 pm

salttee wrote:
N757ST wrote:
I’m all for still penalties toward those that employ illegal workers. Heck, ive even argued that this wall is foolish when higher punishment toward businesses would solve our issues much quicker and with obvious far less cost.

Now with that said, how do some of you reconcile supporting sanctuary cities yet you want to enforce these labor laws? How would that even work? You don’t want ICE to deport workers, but you are taking away their ability to work? You really can’t have it both ways... either enforce the laws or don’t.
The two issues aren't related, besides, cutting off the flow of money to illegals would change everything.; in short order the entire problem would disappear. This is just more Republican whataboutism on your part. Better yet, enmeshment followed by whataboutism, which has become a standard Republican propaganda tactic.


Of course they are related. On one hand you say enforce current laws... on the other hand you are preventing the US government from enforcing current laws. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t tell employers of severe punishments for hiring illegals, and then tell illegals they are welcomed to stay in your city and will be free from enforcement of immigration laws.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:15 pm

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Of course they are related. On one hand you say enforce current laws... on the other hand you are preventing the US government from enforcing current laws. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t tell employers of severe punishments for hiring illegals, and then tell illegals they are welcomed to stay in your city and will be free from enforcement of immigration laws.

No they are not related. One is at the local level and one is at the Federal level. If you live in a "sanctuary city" and you don't like it then lobby your local government, if you don't live in a "sanctuary city" then it's none of your business.

Labor policy at the national level is everybody's business.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:17 pm

N757ST wrote:
. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t tell employers of severe punishments for hiring illegals, and then tell illegals they are welcomed to stay in your city and will be free from enforcement of immigration laws.


Of course you can. Punishing the dealers and not the users is a pretty standard practice when fighting illegal drugs.... not many people find that odd either.

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Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:24 pm

N757ST wrote:
I’m all for still penalties toward those that employ illegal workers. Heck, ive even argued that this wall is foolish when higher punishment toward businesses would solve our issues much quicker and with obvious far less cost.

Now with that said, how do some of you reconcile supporting sanctuary cities yet you want to enforce these labor laws? How would that even work? You don’t want ICE to deport workers, but you are taking away their ability to work? You really can’t have it both ways... either enforce the laws or don’t.


If the illegals find no jobs, even more of them will become criminals. The only way to handle the problem is to defend the border and hunt down illegals already in the country. The people offering jobs are not the problem.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:27 pm

salttee wrote:
N757ST wrote:
Of course they are related. On one hand you say enforce current laws... on the other hand you are preventing the US government from enforcing current laws. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t tell employers of severe punishments for hiring illegals, and then tell illegals they are welcomed to stay in your city and will be free from enforcement of immigration laws.

No they are not related. One is at the local level and one is at the Federal level. If you live in a "sanctuary city" and you don't like it then lobby your local government, if you don't live in a "sanctuary city" then it's none of your business.

Labor policy at the national level is everybody's business.


So then your plan simply won’t work. All those farm communities will become “sanctuary towns”, allow illegal laborers in and pay them peanuts. Those south of the border will still flood in because sanctuary cities and communities will continue to allow businesses to employ and protect undocumented workers. Nothing changes, status quo remains.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:34 pm

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Those south of the border will still flood in because sanctuary cities and communities will continue to allow businesses to employ and protect undocumented workers. Nothing changes, status quo remains.


There is nothing stopping the federal government to check employers, there are far, far fewer that potential illegal employees, and they are all known.

If you catch and deport a few illegals, nothing changes.
If you catch and incarcerate a few CEO´s, everything changes rather quick.

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Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:47 pm

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N757ST wrote:
Those south of the border will still flood in because sanctuary cities and communities will continue to allow businesses to employ and protect undocumented workers. Nothing changes, status quo remains.


There is nothing stopping the federal government to check employers, there are far, far fewer that potential illegal employees, and they are all known.

If you catch and deport a few illegals, nothing changes.
If you catch and incarcerate a few CEO´s, everything changes rather quick.

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Except if the government can’t check those employers. Because m, you know, those cities refuse to allow enforcement by the federal government. Worse yet, not those undocumented workers now flood the cities and communities that will protect them. Infrastructure and social services that are already over run become even more so. It doesn’t work. You can’t have laws in municipalities that contradict national law without consequences.

I know this goes way off topic. Examples of that are abound. What happens if San Francisco makes heroin legal, then there is a legal source of exporting heroin nationwide. How would those in San Fran feel if Dallas Texas decided fully automatic weaponry and grenade launchers are now perfectly legal. Do you think there won’t be a free flow of those now easily obtained weaponry to other areas that don’t desire it? Same would happen here. You can’t have a national policy if incarceration of employers if these communities are just going to opt out and not enforce it. Businesses making policy of hiring these folks will just incorporate in areas where it is still legal, no enforcement will happen, and status quo remains.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:55 pm

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Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:14 pm

N757ST wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
N757ST wrote:
Those south of the border will still flood in because sanctuary cities and communities will continue to allow businesses to employ and protect undocumented workers. Nothing changes, status quo remains.


There is nothing stopping the federal government to check employers, there are far, far fewer that potential illegal employees, and they are all known.

If you catch and deport a few illegals, nothing changes.
If you catch and incarcerate a few CEO´s, everything changes rather quick.

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Except if the government can’t check those employers. Because m, you know, those cities refuse to allow enforcement by the federal government.


do they

a) refuse to allow federal law enforcement to enforce federal law in the state or
b) refuse to allow federal law enforcement to use local, and paid by local tax revenue, law enforcement agencies to do their job for them?

I´d say it is b) and your point is mute.
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:31 pm

N757ST wrote:
salttee wrote:
N757ST wrote:
Of course they are related. On one hand you say enforce current laws... on the other hand you are preventing the US government from enforcing current laws. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t tell employers of severe punishments for hiring illegals, and then tell illegals they are welcomed to stay in your city and will be free from enforcement of immigration laws.

No they are not related. One is at the local level and one is at the Federal level. If you live in a "sanctuary city" and you don't like it then lobby your local government, if you don't live in a "sanctuary city" then it's none of your business.

Labor policy at the national level is everybody's business.


So then your plan simply won’t work. All those farm communities will become “sanctuary towns”, allow illegal laborers in and pay them peanuts. Those south of the border will still flood in because sanctuary cities and communities will continue to allow businesses to employ and protect undocumented workers. Nothing changes, status quo remains.


There actually is a government program called E-Verify where employers can check the status of a potential employee. It is not the best, but it can be fixed and made better, instead of scrapping that and starting over again. But, it would cost more to scrap the current system and make a whole new one and expand government further, which both seem to be pillars of the Republican party.

Anyway, improve E-Verify and go after companies that do not use it. Enforce current laws.

Sanctuary cities and states have nothing to do with any of this. Educate yourself on sanctuary cities.

What about Republican's mantra of "state's rights"? When did they abandon that? Or is "state's rights" valid only when the states are doing exactly what Republicans demand?
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:08 pm

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If the illegals find no jobs, even more of them will become criminals. The only way to handle the problem is to defend the border and hunt down illegals already in the country. The people offering jobs are not the problem.

So you recommend that we do nothing? Just keep it the way it is now?

N757ST wrote:
[Except if the government can’t check those employers..................

But the (federal) government can check those employers. They already do that now. All I am suggesting is that they permanently shut down the business or farm if they find that illegals were employed, not just issue a token fine.

seb146 wrote:
Enforce current laws.

No, we need to toughen the laws considerably. Saying "enforce current laws" is a code for saying "do nothing".
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:14 pm

salttee wrote:
seahawk wrote:
If the illegals find no jobs, even more of them will become criminals. The only way to handle the problem is to defend the border and hunt down illegals already in the country. The people offering jobs are not the problem.

So you recommend that we do nothing? Just keep it the way it is now?
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The best solution is a wall, to protect the border.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:20 pm

seahawk wrote:
salttee wrote:
seahawk wrote:
If the illegals find no jobs, even more of them will become criminals. The only way to handle the problem is to defend the border and hunt down illegals already in the country. The people offering jobs are not the problem.

So you recommend that we do nothing? Just keep it the way it is now?
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The best solution is a wall, to protect the border.


So what is your solution for the other 60% of illegal immigrants?
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:31 pm

casinterest wrote:
seahawk wrote:
salttee wrote:
So you recommend that we do nothing? Just keep it the way it is now?
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The best solution is a wall, to protect the border.


So what is your solution for the other 60% of illegal immigrants?


Troll feeding! Watch your hands!

On a more serious note though, what do the majority of countries do with visa overstays? Are there better methods of tracking said individuals? Visa overstays, in my opinion, are a bit like white collar crime. We can probably track them down fairly easily if we want because we know they are technically here. Illegal border crossings are more difficult because we don't know really know they crossed, or who they are, when they crossed or where. I also wonder how many visa overstays are actually not overstays, they just weren't reported to immigration by the airline (erroneously, by mistake or some other reason possibly?). I'm not as familiar with our reporting system, beyond that other thread we had a month or so ago.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:44 pm

seb146 wrote:
N757ST wrote:
salttee wrote:
No they are not related. One is at the local level and one is at the Federal level. If you live in a "sanctuary city" and you don't like it then lobby your local government, if you don't live in a "sanctuary city" then it's none of your business.

Labor policy at the national level is everybody's business.


So then your plan simply won’t work. All those farm communities will become “sanctuary towns”, allow illegal laborers in and pay them peanuts. Those south of the border will still flood in because sanctuary cities and communities will continue to allow businesses to employ and protect undocumented workers. Nothing changes, status quo remains.


There actually is a government program called E-Verify where employers can check the status of a potential employee. It is not the best, but it can be fixed and made better, instead of scrapping that and starting over again. But, it would cost more to scrap the current system and make a whole new one and expand government further, which both seem to be pillars of the Republican party.

Anyway, improve E-Verify and go after companies that do not use it. Enforce current laws.

Sanctuary cities and states have nothing to do with any of this. Educate yourself on sanctuary cities.

What about Republican's mantra of "state's rights"? When did they abandon that? Or is "state's rights" valid only when the states are doing exactly what Republicans demand?


I actually support the premise behind a sanctuary state/city given my personal view of the 10th amendment.

The problem I have is when you have active obstruction of federal officers performing a lawful duty. (Re: Oakland Mayor announcing on Twitter that ICE would be doing raids in the city) I agree that you can't force a city or state to allocate their own resources to support federal officials in their job function. However, it also behooves a city or state to involve themselves in an oversight role so that said officers aren't violating any rights of potential citizens of their city or state.

A very nuanced issue. Especially when officials may (rightly or wrongly) believe the actions of said officers are wrong, unlawful, immoral etc. You could arguably take it to an extreme and say that officials should actively obstruct at some point. a la civil war if you will.

Anyways, not really the point of my reply. I wanted to inquire about enforcement of E-Verify. If we enforce E-Verify, none of the people coming here, without legal status, will be able to work. So what are we going to do with them? In this regard, sanctuary cities and states are great, because maybe all of these non-working people without legal status will just go there. Let those states and cities deal with the massive homeless problem then. (I jest, only slightly, this is not a real solution to the problem as a whole, and I think most here can agree on that). E-Verify is only a part of the problem. It's step one in taking away one of the incentives of coming to America. But it doesn't solve the problem for those who are already here. And I think Seb, and others, know this, and will use this as a pathway to citizenship, or at least legal status. For the record, I don't think we have much of a choice in this matter, we have to provide some sort of legal status for those who are already here. But before we can do that we have to stop the influx of people already coming or it's just going to spike like it always does when we discuss such matters.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:31 pm

Trump gets a lot of his base by being a racists - just like the base. As long as he personally gets the huge boost in his tax cuts he will continue to spew his hate.

The result of this stupid deployment is one or two thousand refugees will eventually get to the border, only to be met by a mass of military personnel. Maybe 2 or 3 brave Trump military guys and gals for each refugee.

They might come home earlier if the GOP takes a huge beating in the polls next Tuesday.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:03 pm

The number is updated. He plans to now send 15,000 troops to the boarder to stop these people from entering illegally. In an interview with President Trump just now on Fox News he stated there are already 25,000,000 illegal people in the USA. This must stop as it is a matter of national security. Obama created this mess now it needs to be fixed.

Trump should authorize the use of deadly force to stop anyone from entering illegally. That would send a message that they cannot enter this country illegally, nor are they welcome here. The use of deadly force they would stop in their tracks and go back where they came from.
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:09 pm

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Trump should authorize the use of deadly force to stop anyone from entering illegally. That would send a message that they cannot enter this country illegally, nor are they welcome here. The use of deadly force they would stop in their tracks and go back where they came from.


Asylum seeking is not illegal.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:23 pm

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Trump should authorize the use of deadly force to stop anyone from entering illegally. That would send a message that they cannot enter this country illegally, nor are they welcome here. The use of deadly force they would stop in their tracks and go back where they came from.

Thanks for telling us about yourself.
 
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Re: US military to send 5,200 troops, helicopters, heavy equipment to border

Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:28 pm

AA747123 wrote:
The number is updated. He plans to now send 15,000 troops to the boarder to stop these people from entering illegally. In an interview with President Trump just now on Fox News he stated there are already 25,000,000 illegal people in the USA. This must stop as it is a matter of national security. Obama created this mess now it needs to be fixed.

Trump should authorize the use of deadly force to stop anyone from entering illegally. That would send a message that they cannot enter this country illegally, nor are they welcome here. The use of deadly force they would stop in their tracks and go back where they came from.


Fearful much? When you see a brown person do you shit or piss yourself? Maybe both?
 
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Re: US military to send 5,200 troops, helicopters, heavy equipment to border

Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:36 pm

AA747123 wrote:
The number is updated. He plans to now send 15,000 troops to the boarder to stop these people from entering illegally. In an interview with President Trump just now on Fox News he stated there are already 25,000,000 illegal people in the USA. This must stop as it is a matter of national security. Obama created this mess now it needs to be fixed.

Trump should authorize the use of deadly force to stop anyone from entering illegally. That would send a message that they cannot enter this country illegally, nor are they welcome here. The use of deadly force they would stop in their tracks and go back where they came from.


This hopefully will end up as a total humiliation for Swamp Mouth.

Or these Americans serving in the military going to get "Combat Pay" for this deployment? How about the tax breaks? Are they going to be able to vote before they go, or is Trump going to get ballots for them? Since this is going to take at least a month has Swamp Mouth started planning for troop rotation?

As for the 25,000,000 illegals, when did this jump from 11,000,000 to 25,000,000? How long before Trump takes it to 100,000,000? Are the base so stupid to believe this rancid, racist crap?
 
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Re: US military to send 5,200 troops, helicopters, heavy equipment to border

Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:58 pm

2122M wrote:
AA747123 wrote:
Trump should authorize the use of deadly force to stop anyone from entering illegally. That would send a message that they cannot enter this country illegally, nor are they welcome here. The use of deadly force they would stop in their tracks and go back where they came from.


Asylum seeking is not illegal.


Do not feed the troll.

Some people cannot see through the deliberate scaremongering and obvious political ploy by Trump to turn the midterms in his favor. 15,000 troops? More than the number in Afghanistan??

What every right winger can't seem to understand is that this caravan will amount to a few hundred by the time it reaches the border (2 months from now).

Also, every right winger always ignores that the Obama Administration deported more illegals than both Clinton and Bush.
 
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Re: US military to send 5,200 troops, helicopters, heavy equipment to border

Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:38 pm

AA747123 wrote:
The number is updated. He plans to now send 15,000 troops to the boarder to stop these people from entering illegally. In an interview with President Trump just now on Fox News he stated there are already 25,000,000 illegal people in the USA. This must stop as it is a matter of national security. Obama created this mess now it needs to be fixed.

Trump should authorize the use of deadly force to stop anyone from entering illegally. That would send a message that they cannot enter this country illegally, nor are they welcome here. The use of deadly force they would stop in their tracks and go back where they came from.


How did President Obama create this mess? People entering the United States illegally has been going on since the country was formed. It was bad before President Reagan gave them amnesty, and President's Clinton, Bush2 and Obama all try to get Congress to pass some immigration reform. At various times, all three send troops to the border.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:46 pm

910A wrote:
AA747123 wrote:
The number is updated. He plans to now send 15,000 troops to the boarder to stop these people from entering illegally. In an interview with President Trump just now on Fox News he stated there are already 25,000,000 illegal people in the USA. This must stop as it is a matter of national security. Obama created this mess now it needs to be fixed.

Trump should authorize the use of deadly force to stop anyone from entering illegally. That would send a message that they cannot enter this country illegally, nor are they welcome here. The use of deadly force they would stop in their tracks and go back where they came from.


How did President Obama create this mess?


910A, don't you know yet that EVERYTHING is Obama's fault? 9/11 and Lincoln's assassination and Challenger and Jonestown and Hurricane Katrina and Amelia Earhart and Mt. Vesuvius and the failure to use the Oxford comma.... EVERYTHING is Obama's fault. But don't dare blame Bush for Iraq! Why? It was Obama's fault!

And, if that does not play in Peoria, blame Hillary.
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Re: US military to send 5,200 troops, helicopters, heavy equipment to border

Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:48 am

AA747123 wrote:
The number is updated. He plans to now send 15,000 troops to the boarder to stop these people from entering illegally. In an interview with President Trump just now on Fox News he stated there are already 25,000,000 illegal people in the USA.


or 100.000.000 or 1.000.000.000?

AA747123 wrote:
This must stop as it is a matter of national security. Obama created this mess now it needs to be fixed..


How many asylees have killed US citizens last week
How many white americans have killed US citizens last week?

AA747123 wrote:
Trump should authorize the use of deadly force to stop anyone from entering illegally. That would send a message that they cannot enter this country illegally, nor are they welcome here. The use of deadly force they would stop in their tracks and go back where they came from.


You are a asshole.
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:38 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 08741.html

The caravan that Republicans are so fearful of, are still SOUTH of Mexico city. The Mexican government has refused to provide buses to take them to Mexico City, so they will continue walking. The caravan is estimated at about 4,000. Of those, only a small per centage are expected to continue north from Mexico City.

Gin up the base. Stoke the fears. Misinformation and lies. Tired of winning, yet? #MAHA
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:00 pm

If you have any further questions about this "harmless" carvan. Here is a link to an ILLEGAL brought into this country by the democrats that KILLED two police officers and lis laughing about it. Illegals are dangerous people.. VOTE RED!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 5386539008
 
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Re: US military to send 5,200 troops, helicopters, heavy equipment to border

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:10 pm

AA747123 wrote:
If you have any further questions about this "harmless" carvan. Here is a link to an ILLEGAL brought into this country by the democrats that KILLED two police officers and lis laughing about it. Illegals are dangerous people.. VOTE RED!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 5386539008


I can think of 17 who came here LEGALLY, killed 3000+ and laughed about it. What is your point?
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Re: US military to send 5,200 troops, helicopters, heavy equipment to border

Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:02 am

AA747123 wrote:
If you have any further questions about this "harmless" carvan. Here is a link to an ILLEGAL brought into this country by the democrats that KILLED two police officers and lis laughing about it. Illegals are dangerous people.. VOTE RED!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 5386539008


A White American Citizen gunned down 11 innocent people this weekend because they were Jewish.

An White American Citizen gunned down 2 innocent people this weekend because they were Black.

White American Citizens are dangerous people.

See how easy it is to generalize?
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:23 am

mdsh00 wrote:
AA747123 wrote:
If you have any further questions about this "harmless" carvan. Here is a link to an ILLEGAL brought into this country by the democrats that KILLED two police officers and lis laughing about it. Illegals are dangerous people.. VOTE RED!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 5386539008


A White American Citizen gunned down 11 innocent people this weekend because they were Jewish.

An White American Citizen gunned down 2 innocent people this weekend because they were Black.

White American Citizens are dangerous people.

See how easy it is to generalize?


And these two American Citizens

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
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Re: US military to send 5,200 troops, helicopters, heavy equipment to border

Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:29 pm

I can tell ill be overwhelmingly disagreed with, but we still don't know who is in that group of migrants, they showed hints if not actual violence (depending on how you perceive it) at the Mexican southern border, can't deny that when they tore down the fence and denied asylum there. I'm also suspicious of the fact that they were being handed out money and are very well fed and so forth. This IS a crisis because we don't know how these people will act when they come to our border and extra defense power will be necessary to keep this group from crossing the line illegally. The military was deployed to keep the peace, and if it gets out of hand, to contain the damage as much as possible.
 
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Re: US military to send 5,200 troops, helicopters, heavy equipment to border

Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:53 pm

MDGLongBeach wrote:
I can tell ill be overwhelmingly disagreed with, but we still don't know who is in that group of migrants, they showed hints if not actual violence (depending on how you perceive it) at the Mexican southern border, can't deny that when they tore down the fence and denied asylum there. I'm also suspicious of the fact that they were being handed out money and are very well fed and so forth. This IS a crisis because we don't know how these people will act when they come to our border and extra defense power will be necessary to keep this group from crossing the line illegally. The military was deployed to keep the peace, and if it gets out of hand, to contain the damage as much as possible.


There's no guarantee that white native born Americans won't engage in crime or perpetrate acts of terror either.
 
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Re: US military to send 5,200 troops, helicopters, heavy equipment to border

Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:11 pm

Can we just address this for a sec:

“It’s the military. I hope there won’t be that, but I will tell you this: Anybody throwing stones, rocks, like they did to Mexico – the Mexican military, Mexican police – where they badly hurt police and soldiers of Mexico, we will consider that a firearm – because there’s not much difference when you get hit in the face with a rock.” - Trump

In Trump world there is not much difference between being shot getting hit in the face with a rock.

I would LOVE to hear anyone defending this. Anyone, please go. Defend the President of the United States of America claiming "there's not much difference" between being hit in the face with a rock and BEING SHOT!!

Ready, set, go....
 
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Re: US military to send 5,200 troops, helicopters, heavy equipment to border

Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:29 pm

MDGLongBeach wrote:
I can tell ill be overwhelmingly disagreed with, but we still don't know who is in that group of migrants, they showed hints if not actual violence (depending on how you perceive it) at the Mexican southern border, can't deny that when they tore down the fence and denied asylum there. I'm also suspicious of the fact that they were being handed out money and are very well fed and so forth. This IS a crisis because we don't know how these people will act when they come to our border and extra defense power will be necessary to keep this group from crossing the line illegally. The military was deployed to keep the peace, and if it gets out of hand, to contain the damage as much as possible.


Perhaps the Mexican people were following the teachings of Christ

https://relevantmagazine.com/god/what-b ... t-refugees

And, I have to point out YET AGAIN, the caravan has not reached Mexico City and is still about 1300 miles away. And they are on foot. This whole "deploying the military" right now is simply a stunt to appease the under informed and his racist base.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/30/politics ... index.html

Various leaders and veterans from both sides of the aisle agree this is simply a political stunt and worthless.
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Re: US military to send 5,200 troops, helicopters, heavy equipment to border

Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:02 am

Here's what they're doing in Europe for border control. A 10 foot high electrified border fence.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... fence.html

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Re: US military to send 5,200 troops, helicopters, heavy equipment to border

Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:03 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/02/19/4BC672D600000578-5683043-image-a-37_1525285214255.jpg


Picture taken in Hungary.
Policy wise not part of the EU or Europe currently.
Hungary under Orban is more like a "Little America" :-()
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Re: US military to send 5,200 troops, helicopters, heavy equipment to border

Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:20 am

This migrant caravan that is still 1000 miles away from the United States/Mexico boarder will be facing unregulated groups of men with private firearms who believe they are sent by the government to protect the borders. That is bad enough but their dear leader said it was okay to shoot

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/02/us/offic ... index.html

This will probably also be used as justification by Republican nationalists to shoot counter protesters......
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Re: US military to send 5,200 troops, helicopters, heavy equipment to border

Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:01 am

I wonder if Trump or any of his clan have given any thought to the possibility that their warmongering and ill treatment of Latinos might create a guerrilla movement among their radicals, maybe supported financially by one of the cartels?

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