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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:22 pm

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Ireland is the UK in all but name and government.


You've said a lot of silly things in these threads, but this is the winner by some margin. Congrats!


This may explain why Arion640 has still not shared his answer on the Northern Ireland border which he promised me months ago.

If his basic understanding of politics and geography is this compromised then I don’t hold out much hope of an answer... but then again no one has an answer for Northern Ireland....!
 
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:41 pm

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Apart from the issue of Northern Ireland, what''s going to happen to Gibraltar? Spain is going to put a big fence around it??

With the UK exitting with a deal we can't know what's going to happen to Gibraltar. It will be part of the deal. Practical border procedures to fit any thinkable general UK deal are being negotiated with Spain.

With UK crashing off the cliff on 29 March the Gibraltar border will be an ordinary EU outer border. Like the Spain - Morocco border, only without water. Any practical procedure agreed with Spain will come to nothing.

The people living on the rock are informed people. They voted accordingly back in 2016.
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:32 am

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but then again no one has an answer for Northern Ireland....!


Oh I'm sure you'll just repeat the tired old line about how the Customs Union will magically solve everything because apparently it does even though we joined the EU in 1972 and there were still customs checks at the Irish border for a long time afterwards.
 
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:55 am

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Oh I'm sure you'll just repeat the tired old line about how the Customs Union will magically solve everything because apparently it does even though we joined the EU in 1972 and there were still customs checks at the Irish border for a long time afterwards.

Dear UltimoTiger, you should try and educate yourself about the evolution of the EU over the last 60 years, and for this issue especially about the CU and SM over the last 45 years. Without that your contributions appear somewhat (let's be polite here) uneducated.
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:44 am

UltimoTiger777 wrote:
Richard28 wrote:
but then again no one has an answer for Northern Ireland....!


Oh I'm sure you'll just repeat the tired old line about how the Customs Union will magically solve everything because apparently it does even though we joined the EU in 1972 and there were still customs checks at the Irish border for a long time afterwards.


You need a customs union and single market / equalisation of rules and standards to remove a border.

A Customs union in its own would not do it. This has been discussed many times here.

Theeefore a Norway + option which is starting to be openly discussed (bizarrely temporary instead of transition) would suffice.
 
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:08 am

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I love how you complain about losing EU rights like the UK will turn into some dystopian 3rd world country after 31 March 2019.


When I was growing up I had the ability to work anywhere in the EU. I could travel and do as I pleased in the EU. That was my legal right.

My two children will not have this right. You say ‘dystopian 3rd world country’, I would not go that far.... but is it regressive? Yes it most certainly it is.

Is it fair on my kids? Having this whipped away from them based on a pack of lies, half truths, illegality, xenophobia and bo@&ocks? No it is not fair on them at all.


According to Dutchy, you’re two years late for that kind of thinking.
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:59 am

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Richard28 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
I love how you complain about losing EU rights like the UK will turn into some dystopian 3rd world country after 31 March 2019.


When I was growing up I had the ability to work anywhere in the EU. I could travel and do as I pleased in the EU. That was my legal right.

My two children will not have this right. You say ‘dystopian 3rd world country’, I would not go that far.... but is it regressive? Yes it most certainly it is.

Is it fair on my kids? Having this whipped away from them based on a pack of lies, half truths, illegality, xenophobia and bo@&ocks? No it is not fair on them at all.


According to Dutchy, you’re two years late for that kind of thinking.


#peoplesvote
 
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:30 am

Richard28 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Richard28 wrote:

When I was growing up I had the ability to work anywhere in the EU. I could travel and do as I pleased in the EU. That was my legal right.

My two children will not have this right. You say ‘dystopian 3rd world country’, I would not go that far.... but is it regressive? Yes it most certainly it is.

Is it fair on my kids? Having this whipped away from them based on a pack of lies, half truths, illegality, xenophobia and bo@&ocks? No it is not fair on them at all.


According to Dutchy, you’re two years late for that kind of thinking.


#peoplesvote


Not sure if you’re aware, but we already had one a couple of years ago.

You can read about it here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_ ... ndum,_2016

The result was a leave victory.
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:14 am

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The result was a leave victory.

No, the result of the non binding referendum, was a very marginal percentage in favour of leaving. There was no victory by definition.
 
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:21 am

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The result was a leave victory.

No, the result of the non binding referendum, was a very marginal percentage in favour of leaving. There was no victory by definition.


What makes you think a re run would be binding?
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:22 am

Arion640 wrote:
Richard28 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
I love how you complain about losing EU rights like the UK will turn into some dystopian 3rd world country after 31 March 2019.


When I was growing up I had the ability to work anywhere in the EU. I could travel and do as I pleased in the EU. That was my legal right.

My two children will not have this right. You say ‘dystopian 3rd world country’, I would not go that far.... but is it regressive? Yes it most certainly it is.

Is it fair on my kids? Having this whipped away from them based on a pack of lies, half truths, illegality, xenophobia and bo@&ocks? No it is not fair on them at all.


According to Dutchy, you’re two years late for that kind of thinking.


Don't put words in my mouth. I think the British should have a vote on the kind of Brexit they want, not a do-over, but to have a more sensible debate on the future of the UK now the consequences are known.
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:25 am

Dutchy wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Richard28 wrote:

When I was growing up I had the ability to work anywhere in the EU. I could travel and do as I pleased in the EU. That was my legal right.

My two children will not have this right. You say ‘dystopian 3rd world country’, I would not go that far.... but is it regressive? Yes it most certainly it is.

Is it fair on my kids? Having this whipped away from them based on a pack of lies, half truths, illegality, xenophobia and bo@&ocks? No it is not fair on them at all.


According to Dutchy, you’re two years late for that kind of thinking.


Don't put words in my mouth. I think the British should have a vote on the kind of Brexit they want, not a do-over, but to have a more sensible debate on the future of the UK now the consequences are known.



Ok thanks Dutchy. You’ve now confirmed brexit should take place, but what type of brexit is still up for debate. You’ve taken remaining in the EU off the table.
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:39 am

Arion640 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Arion640 wrote:

According to Dutchy, you’re two years late for that kind of thinking.


Don't put words in my mouth. I think the British should have a vote on the kind of Brexit they want, not a do-over, but to have a more sensible debate on the future of the UK now the consequences are known.



Ok thanks Dutchy. You’ve now confirmed brexit should take place, but what type of brexit is still up for debate. You’ve taken remaining in the EU off the table.


if the British wanted to remain, it is also fine by me.
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:57 am

UK has ‘rolled over’ only 14 out of 236 EU international treaties

"The 236 treaties also cover important agreements well beyond trade — relating to airlines’ take-off and landing rights at overseas airports..."


Source: https://www.ft.com/content/e1cd9afe-dad ... ae5495d92b
 
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:34 am

Dutchy wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

Don't put words in my mouth. I think the British should have a vote on the kind of Brexit they want, not a do-over, but to have a more sensible debate on the future of the UK now the consequences are known.



Ok thanks Dutchy. You’ve now confirmed brexit should take place, but what type of brexit is still up for debate. You’ve taken remaining in the EU off the table.


if the British wanted to remain, it is also fine by me.


Backtracking.
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:48 am

Dutchy wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

Don't put words in my mouth. I think the British should have a vote on the kind of Brexit they want, not a do-over, but to have a more sensible debate on the future of the UK now the consequences are known.



Ok thanks Dutchy. You’ve now confirmed brexit should take place, but what type of brexit is still up for debate. You’ve taken remaining in the EU off the table.


if the British wanted to remain, it is also fine by me.


Isn't it funny how the type of Brexit is still up for debate, but a majority of people supposedly already voted for that leave?

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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:51 am

Arion640 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Arion640 wrote:


Ok thanks Dutchy. You’ve now confirmed brexit should take place, but what type of brexit is still up for debate. You’ve taken remaining in the EU off the table.


if the British wanted to remain, it is also fine by me.


Backtracking.



No, being humble, it is not up to me.
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:26 am

Dutchy wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

Don't put words in my mouth. I think the British should have a vote on the kind of Brexit they want, not a do-over, but to have a more sensible debate on the future of the UK now the consequences are known.



Ok thanks Dutchy. You’ve now confirmed brexit should take place, but what type of brexit is still up for debate. You’ve taken remaining in the EU off the table.


if the British wanted to remain, it is also fine by me.


It is frankly none of your business.

You are not British and have not claimed to live in the UK.
 
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:37 am

The interactions between UK and the EU is a concern for all europeans, not just some fringe englishes that are just happy that all the lies got them that result.

As Gove said, the PM can have a stand and the next one a totally different one.....

No wonder that the EU wants a binding withdrawal agreement.
 
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:57 am

noviorbis77 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Arion640 wrote:


Ok thanks Dutchy. You’ve now confirmed brexit should take place, but what type of brexit is still up for debate. You’ve taken remaining in the EU off the table.


if the British wanted to remain, it is also fine by me.


It is frankly none of your business.


Since he is an EU citizen wether you get to stay in EU or not is exactly as much his business as it is yours.
The UK also has bilateral investment treaties with a couple of EU members, their companies can demand the the UK tax payer pays the tab for every EURO the lose over Brexit..... literally their business when you leave.
Maybe he holds stock of companies in those, making leave and remain both his business.

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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:58 am

noviorbis77 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
if the British wanted to remain, it is also fine by me.


It is frankly none of your business.

You are not British and have not claimed to live in the UK.

Wrong. Dutchy is Dutch. Netherlands being an EU member, and with a majority of Britons (even slight) constantly insulting his country and 26 other countries, then UK membership is certainly his business.

But the actual issue of today isn't the UK being expelled, or being denied new membership. It is the UK choosing to leave.

EU memberhip isn't something which a country just chooses. It is something a country qualifies for and chooses.
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:00 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
noviorbis77 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

if the British wanted to remain, it is also fine by me.


It is frankly none of your business.


Since he is an EU citizen wether you get to stay in EU or not is exactly as much his business as it is yours.
The UK also has bilateral investment treaties with a couple of EU members, their companies can demand the the UK tax payer pays the tab for every EURO the lose over Brexit..... literally their business when you leave.
Maybe he holds stock of companies in those, making leave and remain both his business.

Best regards
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But it is OUR decision. Rather than whine about it, people need to accept and move on.
 
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:04 pm

noviorbis77 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
noviorbis77 wrote:

It is frankly none of your business.


Since he is an EU citizen wether you get to stay in EU or not is exactly as much his business as it is yours.
The UK also has bilateral investment treaties with a couple of EU members, their companies can demand the the UK tax payer pays the tab for every EURO the lose over Brexit..... literally their business when you leave.
Maybe he holds stock of companies in those, making leave and remain both his business.

Best regards
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But it is OUR decision. Rather than whine about it, people need to accept and move on.


As soon as you make up your mind on exactly what decision is that.
 
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:14 pm

noviorbis77 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
noviorbis77 wrote:

It is frankly none of your business.


Since he is an EU citizen wether you get to stay in EU or not is exactly as much his business as it is yours.
The UK also has bilateral investment treaties with a couple of EU members, their companies can demand the the UK tax payer pays the tab for every EURO the lose over Brexit..... literally their business when you leave.
Maybe he holds stock of companies in those, making leave and remain both his business.

Best regards
Thomas


But it is OUR decision. Rather than whine about it, people need to accept and move on.


It is still our business, regardless of who's decission.

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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:22 pm

ChrisKen wrote:
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The result was a leave victory.

No, the result of the non binding referendum, was a very marginal percentage in favour of leaving. There was no victory by definition.


This is a bizarre argument. While the referendum was technically non-binding 52% to 48% is still a victory, however close the margin and I can't imagine that many people who voted on that day went into the polling booth thinking "Oh it's not too serious since the result won't be binding anyway".

prebennorholm wrote:
, and with a majority of Britons (even slight) constantly insulting his country


Who is this majority who are insulting the Netherlands exactly? I've seen very little (if any) anti-Dutch sentiment in the UK.
 
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:25 pm

Indeed,
The latest 'concept-for-a-day' from Brexiteers to solve their catch 22 situation with is the Norway For Now option, in which the UK would transit from full EU membership to a Norway type of membership (including a full blown CU), and remain so for as long as it negotiates the final outcome...
While the EU has already said a Norway option + a CU is an acceptable end state, Brexiteers looking into this (including DD) now conveniently forget the EU hasn't offered it as a transitional phase.
The difference is important as having this as just a transitional phase does still require a full back stop solution for NI in the withdrawal treaty as well as a complete rework of the only thing there's a deal on so far: the divorse settlement as that was negotiated on the basis of a full and relatively swift pull out: if Britain is to remain piggy backing on the EU for several years more, obviously the price for this service will go up....
Not to mention that the EU would somehow have to guarantee the Brits upfront that whatever workable plan for an end state they might ultimately come up with will automatically be approved by them in principle for this Norway for Now solution to be sold domestically as a transition state only.
Obviously that is not going to happen: Norway plus can be an option to sort out the mess and the UK is of course free to continue to think about alternatives, but the EU will decide unilaterally, freely and unanimously if and when it ever accepts such an idea from the UK further out in future, or whether it prefers to stay with Norway plus forever and if Britain doesn't like that as an answer, it can decide to just crash out and leave NI behind...
Oh wait, wasn't that what it said it would happily do in case its demand weren't met, only to come up with silly new concepts almost every day to avoid doing just that?
 
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:38 pm

Arion640 wrote:
ChrisKen wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
The result was a leave victory.

No, the result of the non binding referendum, was a very marginal percentage in favour of leaving. There was no victory by definition.


What makes you think a re run would be binding?

I didnt make any mention of a re-run. Simply pointed out a 'victory' wasn't possible nor remotely achieved.

That aside. The omnishambles created by the vocal band of brexiteers clammouring 'to get on with it' (without any plans, sense or direction) is a victory for no one.
 
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:56 pm

UltimoTiger777 wrote:
prebennorholm wrote:
, and with a majority of Britons (even slight) constantly insulting his country


Who is this majority who are insulting the Netherlands exactly? I've seen very little (if any) anti-Dutch sentiment in the UK.

You are quoting me wrong. I wrote his country and 26 other countries. When you make a quote, then you are no better than the average British politician and press.

Those who studied the British political debate and press prior to and after the referendum will know what I am talking about.

Try to dig back 2-3 years in your national history, and then imagine that the same sort of insults had gone the opposite way over the Channel. Luckily nothing like that could ever happen, and if it could, then as an EU27 citizen I would be very ashamed.
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:10 pm

sabenapilot wrote:
the divorse settlement as that was negotiated on the basis of a full and relatively swift pull out: if Britain is to remain piggy backing on the EU for several years more, obviously the price for this service will go up....


Not sure about that since the bill is based on complete withdrawal, so it should settle all existing debts. If UK then continues à la Norvège, that would surely include paying a contributrion like Norway does - so those future costs will also be covered.
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:14 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Arion640 wrote:


Ok thanks Dutchy. You’ve now confirmed brexit should take place, but what type of brexit is still up for debate. You’ve taken remaining in the EU off the table.


if the British wanted to remain, it is also fine by me.


Isn't it funny how the type of Brexit is still up for debate, but a majority of people supposedly already voted for that leave?

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Dutchys words not mine.
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:43 pm

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But it is OUR decision. Rather than whine about it, people need to accept and move on.

Very well said!

But when can we expect the British majority to "move on" ?

Two years and four months and counting. Nothing happened. A totally paralyzed PM who doesn't even dare to ask the parliament whether they want to jump off the cliff or a softer landing. Five months and nine hours left. When can we expect a "move on" ?
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:13 pm

sabenapilot wrote:
Indeed,
The latest 'concept-for-a-day' from Brexiteers to solve their catch 22 situation with is the Norway For Now option, in which the UK would transit from full EU membership to a Norway type of membership (including a full blown CU), and remain so for as long as it negotiates the final outcome...


One member of this forum would certainly not like this idea af he's already counting down to March 29th 2019 "to be free"...

Anyway if true, it would make the issue around any divorce settlement easier if it continues till the next EU budget cycle. However, I don't see the Brexit supporters loving such an arrangement nor will it be good for business as they still don't know what the UK wants. Thus better no transition period and either choose and make a deal or have no deal at all.
 
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:21 pm

UltimoTiger777 wrote:
ChrisKen wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
The result was a leave victory.

No, the result of the non binding referendum, was a very marginal percentage in favour of leaving. There was no victory by definition.


This is a bizarre argument. While the referendum was technically non-binding 52% to 48% is still a victory, however close the margin and I can't imagine that many people who voted on that day went into the polling booth thinking "Oh it's not too serious since the result won't be binding anyway".


While probably true, not many may have expected leave to win, including in the leave campaign itself, that by its own rethorics expected to, at best, get close to a win. Plenty of people try to protest with their votes. Why not in this vote? It is not like the EU was universally liked up until the vote.
Few people that voted leave went there expecting a no-deal cliffedge Brexit, many went there believing that full access to the single market will be maintained. That is what leave largely promised.
I'd be surprised if more than 10% of those voting "leave" have expected Brexit being like this. If you go to the pre-vote, pre-art. 50 threats ... can you find any pro leave poster, many of them voters, here expecting this Brexit?

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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:14 pm

Full steam ahead. Lets get going.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... s-46016359

How long will it take for one of you to compare this to blue passports?
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:45 pm

Just wonder if coffee machines will be able to recognize that form factor....
 
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:48 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Full steam ahead. Lets get going.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... s-46016359

How long will it take for one of you to compare this to blue passports?


Awesome!!
 
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:48 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Full steam ahead. Lets get going.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... s-46016359

How long will it take for one of you to compare this to blue passports?


""Friendship with all nations". Pathetic. The things Tory MPs, including Hammond have called the EU, member countries and some Heads of State!!! . Actually it's an insult.
 
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:19 pm

Just going through a old thread from before the vote:

Dano1977 wrote:
Quoting vc10 (Reply 226):So i hope the above figures show that whilst Germany has the most to lose should the UK be locked out of the EU so have many other EU countries.
Which is why if the vote for leave is successful, Trade deals could be set up pretty quickly with favorable terms and conditions.


OA260 wrote:
Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 231):Which is why if the vote for leave is successful, Trade deals could be set up pretty quickly with favorable terms and conditions.
To be honest neither side would wish to cut trade as that would be detrimental to both economies. The UK has a strong and large economy as stated so to cut through all the BS from either side both would seek to set them up pretty quickly with most likely two very different aims but in the end they would meet somewhere in the middle. The EU would want to seem as if they were giving the UK a hard deal due to them leaving ( if that happens ) and the UK would want to be seen as getting as good a deal as they had before. In the end a deal would have to be done.


winterlight wrote:
We won't be leaving. CameronBot has been given his orders.



yoni wrote:
If there is a Brexit, it will be a big mess for every party (UK and EU states). Airlines will need approval to open new routes from UK or to UK and stricter immigration control for passengers in the UK and in EU states, meaning longer line-ups., will be implemented.

I am quite sure that a new air transport agreement will be signed between both parties to avoid this chaos before UK leaves the EU. It's in their best interests, unless some EU states want to punish the UK (wouldn't be surprised if Germany or some Eastern European countries would favour such action).



Kiwinlondon wrote:
Brexit is a very real possibility now that the No's have Boris on board.

The economics of this have been totally overstated. The Germans, French and everyone else are still going to want to sell their cars, champagne etc to the UK...and not surprisingly will still want to fly and fly cheaply.

If Brexit happens, it will make no difference to the flying public other than maybe having to flash their passports a little more often. The Europeans need the UK more than we need them.

The World will not come to an end!

Kiwinlondon



GCT64 wrote:
Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 42):The UK could still negotiate trading agreements with the EU, just like with the US or any other nation or union. I believe speedbored is right when he says that the EU is more dependant on the UK, than vice versa.
There is no doubt that the EU will quickly negotiate trade agreements (including air services) with an independent UK. The UK is Germany's biggest trading partner (almost €0.5Billion per DAY!) and, importantly, Germany generates a significant surplus from that trade. Does anyone really think that Germany, with its current low GDP growth, will risk even a small hiccup in that trade?

It suits all EU politicians to scaremonger right now and try to scare the UK electorate into voting to stay in (which is, realistically, probably the most likely outcome of the vote) but if Brexit happens they will scramble to do trade deals.



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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:26 pm

It is not so much they were wrong but some brits just don't understand how the EU works.
 
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:32 pm

Olddog wrote:
It is not so much they were wrong but some brits just don't understand how the EU works.


I usually suggest to start with this:

https://www.docdroid.net/m3YvOS5/brexit ... evised.pdf
 
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:58 pm

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Arion640 wrote:
Full steam ahead. Lets get going.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... s-46016359

How long will it take for one of you to compare this to blue passports?


""Friendship with all nations". Pathetic. The things Tory MPs, including Hammond have called the EU, member countries and some Heads of State!!! . Actually it's an insult.


LOL and the things EU officials have said lately about the UK.
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Reinhardt wrote:
"Friendship with all nations". Pathetic. The things Tory MPs, including Hammond have called the EU, member countries and some Heads of State!!! . Actually it's an insult.


At lest they did not dare to put the full quote "honest Friendship with all nations". Everyone would have dismissed them as fake coins :)
 
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:09 pm

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It is not so much they were wrong but some brits just don't understand how the EU works.


No we do. That’s why we are getting out of it.
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:15 pm

You brilliantly showed that with Barnier :P
 
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:49 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Olddog wrote:
It is not so much they were wrong but some brits just don't understand how the EU works.


No we do. That’s why we are getting out of it.


Brilliant philosophy to walk tough life, if you don't understand it, don't do the effort to understand, but just get out.
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Dutchy wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Olddog wrote:
It is not so much they were wrong but some brits just don't understand how the EU works.


No we do. That’s why we are getting out of it.


Brilliant philosophy to walk tough life, if you don't understand it, don't do the effort to understand, but just get out.


We do understand it and it’s clearly not working for the majority of brits.
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:16 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Arion640 wrote:

No we do. That’s why we are getting out of it.


Brilliant philosophy to walk tough life, if you don't understand it, don't do the effort to understand, but just get out.


We do understand it and it’s clearly not working for the majority of brits.


That remains to be seen, and as of now, as of today, facts don't support that assumption. But hey, in 50 years you might see some benefits if you are alive.
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:26 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

Brilliant philosophy to walk tough life, if you don't understand it, don't do the effort to understand, but just get out.


We do understand it and it’s clearly not working for the majority of brits.


That remains to be seen, and as of now, as of today, facts don't support that assumption.


No, of course the facts don’t.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_ ... ndum,_2016
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:44 pm

Arion640 wrote:

LOL and the things EU officials have said lately about the UK.

Says the very same Arion640 who has called the EU “EUSSR” - very similar to the much riddiculed remark by Jeremy Hunt.

Stones? glass houses? you know the rest...


Ooo... Irish border solution Arion640?
 
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:11 pm

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Arion640 wrote:
Ireland is the UK in all but name and government.


You've said a lot of silly things in these threads, but this is the winner by some margin. Congrats!


Can we be sure it isn't the UK that is just an extension on the ROI?

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