Now: gender-neutral marketing for tissues!

Braybuddy · Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:10 am

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/1 ... omplaints/

The lunatics (sorry if that's politially incorrect) are truly taking over the asylum. In the interests of equality, will we now see gender-neutral marketing for tampons? :shock:

Airstud · Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:19 am

I never even heard of this "mansize" sub-brand. It is a little silly, but that's the real reason it should be removed: Because it's silly; not because it's some kind of social force.

Braybuddy · Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:07 am

Whether it's silly or not is irrelevant, it's worked for Kleenex for decades. The point here is the attempt to turn the word "man" into a dirty word and erase it from the English language.

Airstud · Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:21 am

Braybuddy wrote:
Whether it's silly or not is irrelevant, it's worked for Kleenex for decades. The point here is the attempt to turn the word "man" into a dirty word and erase it from the English language.

Well that's old news in these here States, bub. Growing up in the late 70's and 80's you couldn't utter the word "man" without some angry lady hollering from five rooms away "OR WOMAN!!!!!!"

It didn't matter if you were talking about prostate issues, either.

flipdewaf · Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:31 am

Does it really matter that they were called mansize tissues? Probably not
Does it really matter if they will no longer call them mansize tissues? Probably not
Its not an issue from either side really.
Its only an issue if you are finding things to be angry about. If you let things like this slide you'll find yourself having a much happier life, I suggest you go an worry about things that actually matter.

Fred

Kiwirob · Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:59 am

I applied for a business visa for India today, the options were man, women and transgender. This is the first time I've come across this.

FlightMode · Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:43 am

Braybuddy wrote:
The point here is the attempt to turn the word "man" into a dirty word and erase it from the English language.

Oh dear. I feel your pain. Trouble is, you won't be able to BOYcott them, will you. You'll have to non-gender-specific-cott them instead.

This is just too much. Where are my tablets? I need to lie down.

einsteinboricua · Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:46 am

Braybuddy wrote:
The point here is the attempt to turn the word "man" into a dirty word and erase it from the English language.

If this really gets under your skin, I fear what bigger issues do to you. On second thought, no...not even that.

cledaybuck · Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:29 pm

Are mansize tissues a thing here in the US? If so, I have never heard of it.

B747forever · Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:55 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
Braybuddy wrote:
The point here is the attempt to turn the word "man" into a dirty word and erase it from the English language.

If this really gets under your skin, I fear what bigger issues do to you. On second thought, no...not even that.

I dont think it is just this specific issue that is bothering, but it is the whole PC/metoo- movement where all the small things finally add up. They do it bit by bit.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

casinterest · Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:24 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
Are mansize tissues a thing here in the US? If so, I have never heard of it.

I believe they are, but(puts on chauvinistic Phil Hartman accent) i would not know. Men do not need to buy Kleenex.

Seriously though , who the hell reads the label when looking for Kleenex?

cledaybuck · Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:38 pm

casinterest wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
Are mansize tissues a thing here in the US? If so, I have never heard of it.

I believe they are, but(puts on chauvinistic Phil Hartman accent) i would not know. Men do not need to buy Kleenex.

Seriously though , who the hell reads the label when looking for Kleenex?

You have to read the label to make sure you don't get those stupid lotion tissues.

cledaybuck · Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:39 pm

B747forever wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
Braybuddy wrote:
The point here is the attempt to turn the word "man" into a dirty word and erase it from the English language.

If this really gets under your skin, I fear what bigger issues do to you. On second thought, no...not even that.

I dont think it is just this specific issue that is bothering, but it is the whole PC/metoo- movement where all the small things finally add up. They do it bit by bit.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

You have got to be kidding me.

KL785 · Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:49 pm

B747forever wrote:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Riiiight, thats an entirely appropriate quote. After all, the death camps are already being set up as we speak.

Well at least we had a good time. See you on the other side!

2122M · Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:52 pm

Braybuddy wrote:
The point here is the attempt to turn the word "man" into a dirty word and erase it from the English language.

I truly do not understand this perceived 'threat' that white men are apparently facing these days. Not to give up too much information about myself on the internet, but I am in fact a straight, white, male and I can confirm that while things are getting better for minorities over the last 20 years or so, that has not made anything worse for me.

Respect is not a zero-sum game, neither is opportunity really.

To my mind, people complaining about an 'war' on white men have got to be the most insecure human beings on earth.

casinterest · Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:56 pm

flipdewaf wrote:
Does it really matter that they were called mansize tissues? Probably not
Does it really matter if they will no longer call them mansize tissues? Probably not
Its not an issue from either side really.
Its only an issue if you are finding things to be angry about. If you let things like this slide you'll find yourself having a much happier life, I suggest you go an worry about things that actually matter.

Fred

Speaking of things that actually matter

What the hell are we going to polish snow-globes with now for those awkward first dates? Extra large just doesn't sound as good as

"I polished thy snow-globe with MANSIZE kleemex for you"

sevenair · Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:28 pm

I wonder how long 'the gentleman's relish' will be so referred to. A combination of the looney left and third wave femism (amusingly often at odds with another) mean there will be many more changes. I support equal rights for all. I feel that identifying solely as a feminist or a male rights advocate is by definition choosing one over the other and trivialising the issues associated with the other gender. Right now we are in the middle of a war on men, masculinity and anything male orientated or dominated.

Are Yorkie bars next or have they already succumbed to the madness?

seb146 · Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:32 pm

I do not recall seeing "mansized" or "extra large" tissues. IIRC, the United States flipped out and were completely outraged when a boob was shown on live TV for .5 seconds.

Everyone will always complain about something someone else thinks is stupid to complain about. Even niche products like this. I hate pumpkin spice everything but who cares? I don't buy it and move on. I suggest you do the same.

sevenair · Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:33 pm

2122M wrote:
Braybuddy wrote:
The point here is the attempt to turn the word "man" into a dirty word and erase it from the English language.

I truly do not understand this perceived 'threat' that white men are apparently facing these days. Not to give up too much information about myself on the internet, but I am in fact a straight, white, male and I can confirm that while things are getting better for minorities over the last 20 years or so, that has not made anything worse for me.

Respect is not a zero-sum game, neither is opportunity really.

To my mind, people complaining about an 'war' on white men have got to be the most insecure human beings on earth.

You're the one turning this into a race thing. Gender issues are specific issues experienced by a gender. At the same time as women get offended by some words (such as mankind) surely it's not unreasonable to assume that others may be upset at the removal of some words.

Yes, it's trendy these days to be seen to fighting for wom*n's rights and it makes you look a great person on social media, but let's not forget there are specific issues affecting both genders.

vikkyvik · Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:40 pm

Braybuddy wrote:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/17/kleenex-ditch-mansize-tissues-gender-inequality-complaints/

The lunatics (sorry if that's politially incorrect) are truly taking over the asylum. In the interests of equality, will we now see gender-neutral marketing for tampons?

Seriously?

1.) Who cares?
2.) Calling tissues "\Mansize" is pretty stupid in the first place.
3.) If Kleenex wants to make a business decision to change the name, that's their prerogative.
4.) "Extra Large" is a much better description than "Mansize". What the hell does "Mansize" even mean?
5.) Who cares?

sevenair wrote:
ut let's not forget there are specific issues affecting both genders.

Sure. Thankfully, the labeling of tissue sizes are not one of them.

seb146 wrote:
Everyone will always complain about something someone else thinks is stupid to complain about.

CitizenJustin · Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:42 pm

Who cares. They don’t affect you in any way shape or form.

sevenair · Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:50 pm

I wonder if the fembots will be taking issue with male centric words with negative connotations such as manslaughter or manhandling or are they ok with gendered words when they are negative when it comes to men? Wouldn't they be more happy if these words were more gender inclusive?

Will they themselves cease and desist from using their made up words such as mansplaining or manspreading? Will they invent a word to describe women using their handbags or shopping bags to take up the seat next to them on a train (which is way more common where I am compared to so called manspreading)?

2122M · Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:53 pm

sevenair wrote:
2122M wrote:
Braybuddy wrote:
The point here is the attempt to turn the word "man" into a dirty word and erase it from the English language.

I truly do not understand this perceived 'threat' that white men are apparently facing these days. Not to give up too much information about myself on the internet, but I am in fact a straight, white, male and I can confirm that while things are getting better for minorities over the last 20 years or so, that has not made anything worse for me.

Respect is not a zero-sum game, neither is opportunity really.

To my mind, people complaining about an 'war' on white men have got to be the most insecure human beings on earth.

You're the one turning this into a race thing. Gender issues are specific issues experienced by a gender. At the same time as women get offended by some words (such as mankind) surely it's not unreasonable to assume that others may be upset at the removal of some words.

Yes, it's trendy these days to be seen to fighting for wom*n's rights and it makes you look a great person on social media, but let's not forget there are specific issues affecting both genders.

OK, take the white part out of it if you want. It's still absurd for anyone to think that men's rights are under attack. If you feel like the advancement of women's rights, or even the elevation of women's societal status is somehow a threat to men, you are crazy (and insecure and frankly a big fat baby if we're being honest).

And if you are getting pissed off that a tissue company thinks it can sell more tissues by rebranding one of their products to be less gender specific, well... I don't know what to say. You may be beyond help at that point.

sevenair · Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:00 pm

2122M wrote:
sevenair wrote:
2122M wrote:

I truly do not understand this perceived 'threat' that white men are apparently facing these days. Not to give up too much information about myself on the internet, but I am in fact a straight, white, male and I can confirm that while things are getting better for minorities over the last 20 years or so, that has not made anything worse for me.

Respect is not a zero-sum game, neither is opportunity really.

To my mind, people complaining about an 'war' on white men have got to be the most insecure human beings on earth.

You're the one turning this into a race thing. Gender issues are specific issues experienced by a gender. At the same time as women get offended by some words (such as mankind) surely it's not unreasonable to assume that others may be upset at the removal of some words.

Yes, it's trendy these days to be seen to fighting for wom*n's rights and it makes you look a great person on social media, but let's not forget there are specific issues affecting both genders.

OK, take the white part out of it if you want. It's still absurd for anyone to think that men's rights are under attack. If you feel like the advancement of women's rights, or even the elevation of women's societal status is somehow a threat to men, you are crazy (and insecure and frankly a big fat baby if we're being honest).

And if you are getting pissed off that a tissue company thinks it can sell more tissues by rebranding one of their products to be less gender specific, well... I don't know what to say. You may be beyond help at that point.

Woman's rights aren't 'under attack' by calling a tissue mansize. We must remember that there are gender specific issues and if the name of a tissue is the biggest thing they have to worry about then women have it good these days. In the UK discrimination based on gender is not legal under the Equality Act. Engineered greievances such as the much debunked gender pay gap are used to perpetuate their cause.

I believe in equal rights for all and giving all sides an equal voice. I welcome the progress of feminism and legislation to elevate the status of females but we must remember all genders have their own specific issue.

I don't believe in removing men or masculinity as it's no more toxic than femininity. Try this year's IKEA catalogue - take a flick through and tell me how many men are in compared to women. Then we have to listen about unrealistic body images in magazines and retail and be told that it's a female specific issue when it clearly isn't.

I'm not getting pissed off at all. I'm merely providing balance.

2122M · Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:43 pm

sevenair wrote:
standing up for male rights automatically makes one a bad person.

I will stand by that 100%. Men, specifically white, straight men, have all the rights. Western rights were written by men, for men, to protect men and advance men. Men never had to fight to vote. Men never had to fight to work. Men never had to fight to get educated. The whole world has been designed by men to make it easy to be a man.

Now, I want to be 100% clear. SOME men have had to fight for their rights, but they did not have to fight for that because they were male, they fought because they were a minority in some other capacity. Being a man in and of itself has never been a handicap.

Thankfully, the world is changing so women are starting to see that same treatment (although there is still room for improvement). And some men (Proud Boys, sevenair, etc...) apparently view that shift as a threat.

So yes, anytime I see a man standing up for the generic goal of men's rights I have to laugh. What a joke.

seb146 · Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:31 pm

sevenair wrote:
I wonder if the fembots will be taking issue with male centric words with negative connotations such as manslaughter or manhandling or are they ok with gendered words when they are negative when it comes to men? Wouldn't they be more happy if these words were more gender inclusive?

Will they themselves cease and desist from using their made up words such as mansplaining or manspreading? Will they invent a word to describe women using their handbags or shopping bags to take up the seat next to them on a train (which is way more common where I am compared to so called manspreading)?

I have not heard anyone use "manhandle" since like 1978 and "manslaughter" is a legal term, AFAIK.

I have seen men on transit put their grocery bags and/or backpack on the seat next to them as well, so that is a genderless thing. Mansplaining? Seriously? When a man feels they need to explain something to a woman as if the woman has no clue? For example, a man explaining lift to a female pilot or a man explaining quantum mechanics to a female physicist or a man explaining what a carburetor is to a female mechanic? You don't think that is a thing?

Brick · Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:46 pm

If you are offended by a box of tissues that is described as "mansized", then you need to reevaluate your priorities.

What is the next that the always offended libs are going to go after? How about Manwich?

Braybuddy · Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:15 pm

flipdewaf wrote:
I suggest you go an worry about things that actually matter.

Such as?

einsteinboricua wrote:
I fear what bigger issues do to you.

There are bigger issues????

einsteinboricua wrote:

seb146 wrote:
I don't buy it and move on. I suggest you do the same.

I haven't bought Kleenex in years, so I don't need to . . . :smile:

CitizenJustin wrote:
Who cares. They don’t affect you in any way shape or form.

How do you know? I am distraught, and beside myself with grief! :lol:

This is the beginning of the end, don't you know?

sevenair wrote:
Will they themselves cease and desist from using their made up words such as mansplaining or manspreading?

Nice one!

B747forever wrote:
I dont think it is just this specific issue that is bothering, but it is the whole PC/metoo- movement where all the small things finally add up. They do it bit by bit.

And now we have gender-blind casting in theatres:
http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-theatr ... 9-Jul2018/
:roll:

On a positive note, I'm just back from First Man: now that somehow slipped-in under the PC radar! (Good film, though it doesn't, ahem, take off, until the launch: a truly goose-bumps moment, with the moon landing itself being quite emotional. I'm just sorry I hadn't got any Kleenex . . .

Francoflier · Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:38 am

seb146 · Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:43 am

Braybuddy wrote:
On a positive note, I'm just back from First Man: now that somehow slipped-in under the PC radar! (Good film, though it doesn't, ahem, take off, until the launch: a truly goose-bumps moment, with the moon landing itself being quite emotional. I'm just sorry I hadn't got any Kleenex . . .

Historical facts should not change. Are you upset over the movie "Hidden Figures" that tells the history of women at NASA in the 1950s and 1960s? Should those parts have gone to men?

On the flip side, there have been women cast as King Lear and MacBeth. I saw the twin Beckett plays "Waiting For Godot" and "Waiting For Godot To Return" that had a woman cast. So what?

I still don't understand being this upset over Kleenex changing the name of one of it's products. In the end, does it really matter? You can still eat a Hungry Man in Manchester NH while watching "The Iceman Cometh." And no one will care.

tommy1808 · Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:37 am

seb146 wrote:
I do not recall seeing "mansized" or "extra large" tissues. IIRC, the United States flipped out and were completely outraged when a boob was shown on live TV for .5 seconds.
.

I was quite astonished, sitting in a college German class, watching "Türkisch für Anfänger" (Turkish for beginners) with them, and the Teacher told us that she couldn't watch that with even her senior highschhool classes without a permission slip signed by every parent, because it has one scene where the dad steps out of the bathroom and is visible nacked, from behind, in the background for a moment. ..

Brick wrote:
If you are offended by a box of tissues that is described as "mansized", then you need to reevaluate your priorities.

What is the next that the always offended libs are going to go after? How about Manwich?

Some people understand that it is more about awareness for the still existing gender inequality, some people are so self centred that they think it's about them.

2122M wrote:
Thankfully, the world is changing so women are starting to see that same treatment (although there is still room for improvement). And some men (Proud Boys, sevenair, etc...) apparently view that shift as a threat. .

I overheard a group of men in their 30s once, complain that young women today actually demand satisfying sex ......
I think plenty are scared shitless of women knowing what they want, how to get it and that are no less goal oriented then men stereotypically are.

And I think many yesterday's men don't get that PC is often just used to make them cry, works splendidly as this threat demonstrates, and those doing it can turn around doing very sexist jokes ... when they are reasonably sure everyone around them knows it is a joke.

Best regards
Thomas

Braybuddy · Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:48 am

seb146 wrote:
Historical facts should not change. Are you upset over the movie "Hidden Figures" that tells the history of women at NASA in the 1950s and 1960s? Should those parts have gone to men?

I didn't see the film, but I do know what it's about. Why would I be upset about a film telling the history of women at NASA? And why on earth should the parts of women go to men??????? You should direct the latter question at the feminist lobby:
http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-theatr ... 9-Jul2018/

seb146 wrote:
On the flip side, there have been women cast as King Lear and MacBeth. I saw the twin Beckett plays "Waiting For Godot" and "Waiting For Godot To Return" that had a woman cast. So what?

Gender reversal for theatrical roles can work in certain instances: the role of Peter Pan has traditionally been played by a female for decades, and it works. Ten years ago I saw a production of "The Importance of Being Earnest" in which the cast was entirely male. It was hilarious, but there's no way it would be staged today.

seb146 wrote:
I still don't understand being this upset over Kleenex changing the name of one of it's products.

In the scheme of things, no, but what does matter is the wider issue of political correctness. This is the sort of nonsense that pushed Donald Trump over the line in 2016, so there is a much wider issue here, which some people -- unfortunately -- don't seem to realise.

tommy1808 wrote:
I overheard a group of men in their 30s once, complain that young women today actually demand satisfying sex ......

Someone demanding satisfying sex? :roll:

tommy1808 wrote:
I think plenty are scared shitless of women knowing what they want, how to get it and that are no less goal oriented then men stereotypically are.

There are more opportunities available to women than ever, which is fantastic (and only right), yet mental health issues in young women are -- alarmingly -- far outstripping those in boys. So you'd really wonder if we are focusing on the right things:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... oung-women

tommy1808 · Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:04 am

Braybuddy wrote:
Someone demanding satisfying sex?

Men have always demanded sex to be satisfying, if it wasn't we cheated or swapped the gf/wife for a new one.

There are more opportunities available to women than ever, which is fantastic (and only right), yet mental health issues in young women are -- alarmingly -- far outstripping those in boys. So you'd really wonder if we are focusing on the right things:

While true, we are still looking at rather low numbers. Interestingly in Germany the difference between boys and girls is not that large, still there, but smaller.
But I have met more young women that deeply impressed me in the last 10 year's than in the decade before. Much more curious, much less defined by their boyfriends, much less care to conform and not stand out. Peer pressure, from other girls, is a different issue and bullying is a bigger problem among girls than among bouts or cross gender. They are absolutely savage to each other.

Best regards
Thomas

Braybuddy · Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:23 am

tommy1808 wrote:
Men have always demanded sex to be satisfying, if it wasn't we cheated or swapped the gf/wife for a new one.

Is there anything more of a turn-off than someone demanding satisfying sex, whether they're male or female? :crazy:

And in some delicious PC irony:
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-45900794
Perhaps young girls should be banned from watching Keira Knightley films . .

And other people underestimate children:
https://www.irishcentral.com/culture/en ... -bell-kiss

tommy1808 · Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:01 am

Braybuddy wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
Men have always demanded sex to be satisfying, if it wasn't we cheated or swapped the gf/wife for a new one.

Is there anything more of a turn-off than someone demanding satisfying sex, whether they're male or female?

As long as you over-deliver that is just peachy.
But of course it's not up front demand, but rather the "we have to talk..." conversation that follows failure to deliver orgasm again and again. Women can have orgasms until they pass out, good way to make a friend for life btw, and few younger ones are willing to go with no climax these days, no matter how good the relationship otherwise is.

And in some delicious PC irony:
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-45900794
Perhaps young girls should be banned from watching Keira Knightley films . .

All fine, since it is not about being PC, but about parents choosing entertainment that has role models they like. Most fairy tales are terrible rolemodel-wise for girls.
You don't have that problem with boys, because movies with boys in submissive roles are simply not being made. At least I wouldn't know any.
Now are their movies that stereotype guys? Sure, but those usually feature traits we want in role models. Honor, bravery and that stuff.

And other people underestimate children:
https://www.irishcentral.com/culture/en ... -bell-kissest

Her logic is sound, but I would rather resolve that problem via conversation. Kids are just small, not stupid, and you are right, often underestimated.

Best regards
Thomas

VSMUT · Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:35 am

2122M wrote:
I will stand by that 100%. Men, specifically white, straight men, have all the rights. Western rights were written by men, for men, to protect men and advance men. Men never had to fight to vote. Men never had to fight to work. Men never had to fight to get educated. The whole world has been designed by men to make it easy to be a man.

Now, I want to be 100% clear. SOME men have had to fight for their rights, but they did not have to fight for that because they were male, they fought because they were a minority in some other capacity. Being a man in and of itself has never been a handicap.

In most western countries, that was simply not true. Only a select few men had voting rights, the landowners and elite. In Denmark it was something like 6% of the total population, and in 1789, the US had a very similar setup with 6% as well. It is deplorable that women rights didn't catch on earlier, but don't rewrite history. The average white man had to fight to get influence too. The initial world was designed by the rich elite, who also happened to be white men.

stratclub · Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:35 am

tommy1808 wrote:
[quote="seb146"
I overheard a group of men in their 30s once, complain that young women today actually demand satisfying sex ......
Best regards
Thomas

What? Mothers aren't teaching their daughters anymore to just lay their and endure it because it will be over in 7 minutes anyway?

2122M · Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:58 pm

VSMUT wrote:
2122M wrote:
I will stand by that 100%. Men, specifically white, straight men, have all the rights. Western rights were written by men, for men, to protect men and advance men. Men never had to fight to vote. Men never had to fight to work. Men never had to fight to get educated. The whole world has been designed by men to make it easy to be a man.

Now, I want to be 100% clear. SOME men have had to fight for their rights, but they did not have to fight for that because they were male, they fought because they were a minority in some other capacity. Being a man in and of itself has never been a handicap.

In most western countries, that was simply not true. Only a select few men had voting rights, the landowners and elite. In Denmark it was something like 6% of the total population, and in 1789, the US had a very similar setup with 6% as well. It is deplorable that women rights didn't catch on earlier, but don't rewrite history. The average white man had to fight to get influence too. The initial world was designed by the rich elite, who also happened to be white men.

Read the second part of my statement again and answer this. You say only 6% of men had the vote at some point in Denmark. Were the remaining 94% denied the vote simply because they were men? Or was it something else such as race, social status, wealth, ancestry etc....

Fighting for the rights of minorities and the poor are noble causes and it was those fights that got the remaining 94% in the voting booth. Fighting for the rights of men simply because of some non-existent 'male oppression' is dumb.

Braybuddy · Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:12 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
All fine, since it is not about being PC, but about parents choosing entertainment that has role models they like. Most fairy tales are terrible rolemodel-wise for girls.

Fine, but my point was more to do with the hypocricy of Ms Knightley. She seems to forget that she often played the swooning female lead in films.

tommy1808 wrote:
Her logic is sound

This is how you raise the next generation of snowflakes.

2122M · Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:19 pm

Braybuddy wrote:
This is how you raise the next generation of snowflakes.

Define 'snowflake' for me if you could.

Kiwirob · Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:44 pm

vikkyvik wrote:
4.) "Extra Large" is a much better description than "Mansize". What the hell does "Mansize" even mean?

What does extra large mean? I can buy an XL t-shirt in the US which will be a 2XL in Europe and a 3XL in Japan.

cledaybuck · Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:48 pm

2122M wrote:
Braybuddy wrote:
This is how you raise the next generation of snowflakes.

Define 'snowflake' for me if you could.

Someone who is all up in arms about mansize tissues going away?

einsteinboricua · Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:01 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
2122M wrote:
Braybuddy wrote:
This is how you raise the next generation of snowflakes.

Define 'snowflake' for me if you could.
Someone who is all up in arms about mansize tissues going away?

I guess we should introduce another level of snowflakes (squared snowflakes? 2nd level snowflakes?) to describe people outraged at snowflakes.

Example: snowflakes get offended by hate speech; 2nd level snowflakes get offended by the snowflakes offended by hate speech.

Example 2: Kleenex succumbs and changes "mansize" to "X-large" due to snowflakes offended at the MAN-part of mansize; 2nd level snowflakes get offended by the snowflakes who were offended by the MAN in mansize.

2122M · Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:10 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
2122M wrote:

Define 'snowflake' for me if you could.
Someone who is all up in arms about mansize tissues going away?

I guess we should introduce another level of snowflakes (squared snowflakes? 2nd level snowflakes?) to describe people outraged at snowflakes.

Example: snowflakes get offended by hate speech; 2nd level snowflakes get offended by the snowflakes offended by hate speech.

Example 2: Kleenex succumbs and changes "mansize" to "X-large" due to snowflakes offended at the MAN-part of mansize; 2nd level snowflakes get offended by the snowflakes who were offended by the MAN in mansize.

So if I get upset by being called a snowflake by a snowflake upset at other snowflakes for being upset about tissues, does that make me a Second Level snowflake, Once Removed?

LH526 · Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:22 pm

Man (as in male, XY chromosomes) are statistically bigger / taller than women (as in female, XX chromosomes), as are the "man-size" tissues.
Shouldn't those who are offended check the statistics and leave their feelings at the door?

Braybuddy · Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:23 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
Someone who is all up in arms about mansize tissues going away?

Snowflakes up in arms about anything? :rotfl:

Now that would be something . . . :eyepopping:

2122M · Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:30 pm

Braybuddy wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
Someone who is all up in arms about mansize tissues going away?

Snowflakes up in arms about anything? Now that would be something . . .

Still waiting on your definition of snowflake.

sw733 · Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:36 pm

2122M wrote:
Braybuddy wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
Someone who is all up in arms about mansize tissues going away?

Snowflakes up in arms about anything? Now that would be something . . .

Still waiting on your definition of snowflake.

I'm guessing it has to do with crazy liberals thinking each one us are special and unique...because apparently that's a bad thing?

2122M · Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:50 pm

sw733 wrote:
2122M wrote:
Braybuddy wrote:
Snowflakes up in arms about anything? Now that would be something . . .

Still waiting on your definition of snowflake.

I'm guessing it has to do with crazy liberals thinking each one us are special and unique...because apparently that's a bad thing?

This is why I want his answer. Because it feels like an insult he can feel good about throwing out there, but I'm not sure there us any real insult there. Specifically, how is being a 'snowflake' different from just having empathy.

In this case, am I offended by 'mansize' branding? Not really, but who am I to tell someone else what they are allowed to be offended by or not. I'm not a woman and therefore I can't relate to in the in the same way a woman can. And I'm sure there are lots of women who are not offended by this either, but some are. So with that information, it appears that Kleenex decided it was not worth alienating those people and made the decision to rebrand. A decision driven partly by business but a little by empathy too.

To me, people that use the 'snowflake' insult are attempting to impose their very specific set of values on everyone else and are happy to mock those that see the world through a different lens.

Braybuddy · Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:51 pm

sw733 wrote:
I'm guessing it has to do with crazy liberals thinking each one us are special and unique...because apparently that's a bad thing?

More like kids who cannot be criticised or reprimanded, and who need their safe spaces to protect them from the real world? If you're going to prohibit your kids watching cartoon fairy tales, you're not doing them any favours at all.

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