Trump now turning the backpedal machine on to 100:

Omarosa taped call with Trump after she was fired
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/13/politics ... index.html

Omarosa claims Trump is 'physically ill', 'just this side of functionally illiterate' in new book
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08 ... -book.html

This guy really isn’t in full control of his faculties? No, surely not ...

Trump Thought There Was a Country Called “Nipple”
Complex pronunciations and time zones are reportedly scrambling the president’s attempts at diplomatic outreach.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanity ... tbuYCw_0:0

Two vile people, to be sure....but wouldn’t it be funny if she were the one to snatch the wig off Czarina Trump for all the world to see?

(Totally off-topic - I used to call a WN flight attendant “Omarosa” because of her barely-disguised contempt for passengers. My FA friend heard me,and said, “omg, I know exactly who you’re talking about.”)

johnboy wrote:

Two vile people, to be sure....but wouldn’t it be funny if she were the one to snatch the wig off Czarina Trump for all the world to see?

I just imagine everyone in this admin is wired for their forthcoming book, and all their tapes are just going to be feedback from trying to record each other

With a boss like this, everyone should be taping their conversations.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 3672307712


In the real world, statements like this would open a private company up to a lawsuit.

Yeah, surely a guy who repeatedly calls women crying/bleeding dogs and pigs (nevermind the 1970s Civil Rights violations) would never, ever use the N word. Surely it can't be possible!

Let’s recap, shall we?

POTUS tweets that his only black, female staffer is a “lowlife” and a “dog.” (You know he wanted to say “bitch” — I’m sure his followers will get it though)

Oddly tweets that Mark Burnett called to assure him that no “Apprentice” tapes exist where he is using the n-word. (Ok this has to be a Stephen Miller tweet — there’s too much nuanced parsing of words for the Functionally Illiterate Czarina to handle).

Remember this quote from the “Republicans want to shut down media” thread?

johnboy wrote:

VTKillarney wrote:

This is now Alex Jones territory.

Welcome to your world. Apology is forthcoming I’m sure.

It's all meaningless. Zero impact. Trump is loyal and she stabbed him in the back. She's been totally discredited as a liar. The more the left brings her up the more support Trump will get. Keep it up!

Mike Drop

Even Michael Cohen, who has no love for Trump and no problem speaking out against him, has said that Omarosa has lied.

Some of Trump's most intense critics in the media have also shot down Omarosa's credibility, including CNN's April Ryan, Ana Navarro, and Brian Stelter.

The left insisting that Omarosa is credible will be the biggest gift the Republicans ever had.

NPR caught her in a lie this week and wrote about it.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/10/63695505 ... ll-all-boo

VTKillarney wrote:

Even Michael Cohen, who has no love for Trump and no problem speaking out against him, has said that Omarosa has lied.

Some of Trump's most intense critics in the media have also shot down Omarosa's credibility, including CNN's April Ryan, Ana Navarro, and Brian Stelter.

The left insisting that Omarosa is credible will be the biggest gift the Republicans ever had.

Omarosa is a backstabbing bitch. However, Trump has now fired her four times.

Best people? I think not.

The credibility of Omarosa is not the crux of the issue. That is just a right wing false flag operation.

The issue is the credibility of the staff that Trump has assembled.

mham001 wrote:

NPR caught her in a lie this week and wrote about it.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/10/63695505 ... ll-all-boo

Ooooooooooo, juicy!

President Trump has made 3,001 false or misleading claims so far

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... 71839b3963

(Should there be a weighting scale for ordinary citizens versus the President of the United States? How many Omarosa lies equals 1 POTUS lie?)

MikeDrop wrote:

It's all meaningless. Zero impact. Trump is loyal and she stabbed him in the back. She's been totally discredited as a liar. The more the left brings her up the more support Trump will get. Keep it up!

Mike Drop

Yup, cult of personality. That is all Trump really is or has. He is and has been a poorly performing president and just has people that basically mindlessly support his "cult of Trump". Similar to many weaker strongman leaders, "Look at me! I am strong and powerful! Do not listen to and importantly do not trust those who tell you different! I alone can and will give you what you want!"

But it is effective for what it is, very effective. Look at other leaders like this that say similar things. Anytime there is "only one" it is a red flag but that person's followers/cult'y people don't care. They just want their guy, their savior.

Tugg

MikeDrop wrote:

It's all meaningless. Zero impact. Trump is loyal and she stabbed him in the back. She's been totally discredited as a liar. The more the left brings her up the more support Trump will get. Keep it up!

Trump is loyal lololololol? I agree it's meaningless and zero impact. In fact if there is indeed a tape with the N-word, it will only drive his numbers from you and his supporters up!

VTKillarney wrote:

Even Michael Cohen, who has no love for Trump and no problem speaking out against him, has said that Omarosa has lied.

Some of Trump's most intense critics in the media have also shot down Omarosa's credibility, including CNN's April Ryan, Ana Navarro, and Brian Stelter.

The left insisting that Omarosa is credible will be the biggest gift the Republicans ever had.

No one is insisting she's credible. At the very worst, they're insisting she and Trump are cut from the same cloth.

mham001 wrote:

NPR caught her in a lie this week and wrote about it.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/10/63695505 ... ll-all-boo

Trump gets caught in a lie hourly and that doesn't seem to matter.

johnboy wrote:

Let’s recap, shall we?

POTUS tweets that his only black, female staffer is a “lowlife” and a “dog.” (You know he wanted to say “bitch” — I’m sure his followers will get it though)

So in other words she's Sarah Huckabeast but not white?

Omarossa story will blow over in like 3 days. There's really nothing to it, just her trying to stay relevant.

Then there is this: https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/boo ... 976135002/

After former White House staffer Omarosa Manigault Newman revealed Sunday that she'd covertly taped her December 2017 firing by Chief of Staff John Kelly in the Situation Room, two questions came to mind: First, just how did she manage to get a recording device in there? And then there's that most Washington of questions: could she be in legal trouble as a result?

It's quite difficult to get a cell phone (or other device) into that type of setting. The fact she was able to record in that setting is troubling and definitely grounds for removal of her security clearance (I mean she was getting fired anyways so that's a moot point). Question is, is there anything legally at issue there.

trpmb6 wrote:

It's quite difficult to get a cell phone (or other device) into that type of setting. The fact she was able to record in that setting is troubling and definitely grounds for removal of her security clearance (I mean she was getting fired anyways so that's a moot point). Question is, is there anything legally at issue there.

Doesn't seem like it. Why was she fired in the situation room anyway? What her book did mention--and crypt keeper Kellyanne also confirmed--is that everyone is on an NDA, which also likely doesn't hold any water legally either but does open another pandora's.

MaverickM11 wrote:

trpmb6 wrote:

It's quite difficult to get a cell phone (or other device) into that type of setting. The fact she was able to record in that setting is troubling and definitely grounds for removal of her security clearance (I mean she was getting fired anyways so that's a moot point). Question is, is there anything legally at issue there.

Doesn't seem like it. Why was she fired in the situation room anyway? What her book did mention--and crypt keeper Kellyanne also confirmed--is that everyone is on an NDA, which also likely doesn't hold any water legally either.

I don't really care about anything else. I'm most interested in the fact that people in Washington across all spectra are treating security clearances with such negligence. Like it's just a check mark and we don't need to be concerned about Russians or Iranians or the Chinese listening in on anything. There are millions of rank and file people who follow the strict requirements to the letter - their careers would be forfeit if they didn't. And yet many others act like it's no big deal. It's a serious offense and is quite repugnant to those of us who know the strict requirements we must all adhere to.

trpmb6 wrote:

Question is, is there anything legally at issue there.

Not, not as far as I have heard. There are questions but that is about it. She didn't have the highest level of security clearance so didn't have the requirements that go with that, and there are specific carve outs in the regulations for revealing personally related things (versus state or government business related issues). There are lots of things you area not allowed to do that if you do will still not land you in legal peril.

So while she's "not allowed to do it" there isn't a serious legal issue beyond the fact that she likely will never be able to get a clearance of any kind again nor employment with the government, neither of which I think are an issue for her. Of course with that said I will not be surprised of Trump pushes to have something, anything done to harass her a bit, even if it is a losing case for the government.

trpmb6 wrote:

It's a serious offense

It's not, no state business or secrets were revealed.

Tugg

VTKillarney wrote:

Even Michael Cohen, who has no love for Trump and no problem speaking out against him, has said that Omarosa has lied.

Some of Trump's most intense critics in the media have also shot down Omarosa's credibility, including CNN's April Ryan, Ana Navarro, and Brian Stelter.

The left insisting that Omarosa is credible will be the biggest gift the Republicans ever had.

Of course she's an attention seeking, drama-queen who has probably lied plenty of times in her career. And Trump hired her.

Just like Cohen is a lowlife lawyer with no real moral center. And Trump hired him (for years)

Just like Manafort is a greedy, lying thief. And Trump hired him.

Just like Rick Gates is a convicted liar and criminal. And Trump hired him.

Just like Flynn is also a convicted liar and criminal. And Trump hired him.

Just like Stormy Daniels is literally a stripper and a porn star. And Trump slept with her (while he was married)

etc.......

The problem the left has is that this is already priced in when it comes to Trump.

The left wants everyone to ignore the fact that things in the United States are actually pretty good right now. The electorate cares much more about their financial affairs than Omarosa.

VTKillarney wrote:

The left insisting that Omarosa is credible will be the biggest gift the Republicans ever had.

Who is really insisting she is any more credible that the president who hired her, who specifically insists he only hires the best people? She is a flash in the pan, getting her 15 minutes (more) and a few million too.

There may be a few that tout what she is saying as further demonstration of weaknesses in the administration and of course there will be those that just enjoy the shear stupidity of Trump hiring and trusting her to any level and will push "look what she says is happening". But the vast majority won't say she is really really credible beyond the where there is smoke there is usually fire aspect.

Tugg

A lot of people on the 'left' very much want to believe Omarosa to confirm their opinions of Donald Trump as a vile racist, but it is very difficult to do so. She has a greedy, very erratic personality like Trump, she seemed to have no respect for privacy, likely did the tapes to extort money and should face criminal charges. It is likely she is pushing her book to make money on with these teases of recordings but as may not be verifiable, cannot be trusted. This is going to get ugly but more likely get her ignored in a few days. They used to say Reagan was the 'Teflon President', Trump seems to have industrial strength levels of it.

jetero wrote:

mham001 wrote:

NPR caught her in a lie this week and wrote about it.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/10/63695505 ... ll-all-boo

Ooooooooooo, juicy!

President Trump has made 3,001 false or misleading claims so far

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... 71839b3963

(Should there be a weighting scale for ordinary citizens versus the President of the United States? How many Omarosa lies equals 1 POTUS lie?)

....what do you expect, Trump can admit being a sexual predator on tape, and still the women are lying.....


Best regards
Thomas

trpmb6 wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

trpmb6 wrote:

It's quite difficult to get a cell phone (or other device) into that type of setting. The fact she was able to record in that setting is troubling and definitely grounds for removal of her security clearance (I mean she was getting fired anyways so that's a moot point). Question is, is there anything legally at issue there.

Doesn't seem like it. Why was she fired in the situation room anyway? What her book did mention--and crypt keeper Kellyanne also confirmed--is that everyone is on an NDA, which also likely doesn't hold any water legally either.

I don't really care about anything else. I'm most interested in the fact that people in Washington across all spectra are treating security clearances with such negligence. Like it's just a check mark and we don't need to be concerned about Russians or Iranians or the Chinese listening in on anything. There are millions of rank and file people who follow the strict requirements to the letter - their careers would be forfeit if they didn't. And yet many others act like it's no big deal. It's a serious offense and is quite repugnant to those of us who know the strict requirements we must all adhere to.

I don't think security clearances are a priority--who is going to hold them accountable?

ltbewr wrote:

A lot of people on the 'left' very much want to believe Omarosa to confirm their opinions of Donald Trump as a vile racist, but it is very difficult to do so. She has a greedy, very erratic personality like Trump, she seemed to have no respect for privacy, likely did the tapes to extort money and should face criminal charges. It is likely she is pushing her book to make money on with these teases of recordings but as may not be verifiable, cannot be trusted. This is going to get ugly but more likely get her ignored in a few days. They used to say Reagan was the 'Teflon President', Trump seems to have industrial strength levels of it.

I don't think anyone on the left didn't see this coming miles away.

MikeDrop wrote:

It's all meaningless. Zero impact. Trump is loyal and she stabbed him in the back. She's been totally discredited as a liar. The more the left brings her up the more support Trump will get. Keep it up!

Mike Drop

VTKillarney wrote:

The left insisting that Omarosa is credible will be the biggest gift the Republicans ever had.

Well, since she’s already released tapes with Katrina Pierson and (wedding planner) Lynne Patton discussing how to spin use of the n-word, after vociferous denials from Pierson herself... oopsie!!

The bigger question is (paraphrasing from above), if Trump has been documented lying through his teeth 3091 times, how in the rat f*** hell do YOU find HIM credible?!?!?

#tastesliketreason
#waragainstthe99%

2122M wrote:

Just like Stormy Daniels is literally a stripper and a porn star. And Trump slept with her (while he was married)

etc.......

ITA with everything you said up until this point. Nothing wrong with a gal using her god-given (ahem...) assets to make a buck or two.

At least she’s not conspiring with the Soviet Uni...,I mean Russia to weaken this country.

Tugger wrote:

MikeDrop wrote:

It's all meaningless. Zero impact. Trump is loyal and she stabbed him in the back. She's been totally discredited as a liar. The more the left brings her up the more support Trump will get. Keep it up!

Mike Drop

Yup, cult of personality. That is all Trump really is or has. He is and has been a poorly performing president and just has people that basically mindlessly support his "cult of Trump". Similar to many weaker strongman leaders, "Look at me! I am strong and powerful! Do not listen to and importantly do not trust those who tell you different! I alone can and will give you what you want!"

But it is effective for what it is, very effective. Look at other leaders like this that say similar things. Anytime there is "only one" it is a red flag but that person's followers/cult'y people don't care. They just want their guy, their savior.

Tugg

I think you are off the mark. I'm no Trump cultist. I believe that this country needs a very vocal and strong loyal opposition. Unfortunately we don't have that now. The constant outrage at anything and everything Trump since the night of the election in 2016 has poisoned any chance at bi-partisanship in this country for at least a generation.
It started for me on election night when a guy on CNN called it a "white lash" and said all Trump voters are racist. You know the rest of the story. Death threats, pussy marches, asassination attempts, antifa riots, fake dossiers, ongoing FBI corruption and collusion with the DNC, constant media attacks, it goes onandonandonandonandonandknandon..........

We don't care what any of you say or think anymore.

Anyway, it's not a cult, it's a total rejection of every corrupt and ridiculous thing the left has done and continues to do. Trump is actually just a disposable instrument of our anger. Impeaching him won't change a thing.

Mike Drop

johnboy wrote:

2122M wrote:

Just like Stormy Daniels is literally a stripper and a porn star. And Trump slept with her (while he was married)

etc.......

ITA with everything you said up until this point. Nothing wrong with a gal using her god-given (ahem...) assets to make a buck or two.

At least she’s not conspiring with the Soviet Uni...,I mean Russia to weaken this country.

I hesitated to add that one to be honest, but as much support as he's getting from the evangelicals (DIRECTFLT), its hypocritical in its own right.

MikeDrop wrote:

I'm no Trump cultist. I believe that this country needs a very vocal and strong loyal opposition. Unfortunately we don't have that now. The constant outrage at anything and everything Trump since the night of the election in 2016 has poisoned any chance at bi-partisanship in this country for at least a generation.
It started for me on election night when a guy on CNN called it a "white lash" and said all Trump voters are racist. You know the rest of the story. Death threats, pussy marches, asassination attempts, antifa riots, fake dossiers, ongoing FBI corruption and collusion with the DNC, constant media attacks, it goes onandonandonandonandonandknandon..........

We don't care what any of you say or think anymore.

Anyway, it's not a cult, it's a total rejection of every corrupt and ridiculous thing the left has done and continues to do. Trump is actually just a disposable instrument of our anger. Impeaching him won't change a thing.

Mike Drop

Hmmm. Just goes back to what I said about Russians being astonished at the hatred of liberals by conservatives outweighing love of country.

Did you happen to get that off Stormfront?

VTKillarney wrote:

jetero wrote:

VTKillarney wrote:

The problem the left has is that this is already priced in when it comes to Trump.

That's a problem with the left?!

AIM HIGH VTK!!!!!

That's not what I wrote. I said that it is a problem that the left has. I didn't say that it is a problem "with" the left. Big difference.

And, yes, the left has this problem when it comes to getting candidates elected. Everything they are shouting about has already been priced in.

Well, My Favorite Pedant, as someone who has blathered on from his dais about needing to be concerned with what is "good for America," I'm sure this really concerns you. It's evident in your every post.

MikeDrop wrote:

I think you are off the mark. I'm no Trump cultist. I believe that this country needs a very vocal and strong loyal opposition. Unfortunately we don't have that now. The constant outrage at anything and everything Trump since the night of the election in 2016 has poisoned any chance at bi-partisanship in this country for at least a generation.
It started for me on election night when a guy on CNN called it a "white lash" and said all Trump voters are racist. You know the rest of the story. Death threats, pussy marches, asassination attempts, antifa riots, fake dossiers, ongoing FBI corruption and collusion with the DNC, constant media attacks, it goes onandonandonandonandonandknandon..........

How is that really different that what Republican's did during Obama's term in office? Saying things like "as long as Obama and the dems lose then it is good" or "you lie" or refusing to discuss anything with dems etc. Everything then was negative on the Republican side about Obama etc.

MikeDrop wrote:

We don't care what any of you say or think anymore.

Who is "we"?
Why don't you care what I or other Republican's say or think?

MikeDrop wrote:

Anyway, it's not a cult, it's a total rejection of every corrupt and ridiculous thing the left has done and continues to do. Trump is actually just a disposable instrument of our anger. Impeaching him won't change a thing.

Sounds pretty cult'y to me. And who is talking about impeaching him with this? Sounds like you are a bit defensive.

But seriously, you complain about other pointing out Trump obvious flaw and lies and then go on about how much "the left" (whoever they are in reality) lies and is flawed. Cults see their leader thru filtered lenses and cannot accept that they aren't what they imagine. Trump just tells stories and doesn't actually do much beyond churning. You are right that the Republican's are using him but the he is also using Republican's, and the real problem for Republican's is that he is speaking for them and their ideals and values and they are stuck with that.

We'll have to actually wait and see what happens in the next election but I do very much believe that the blind followers that prefer to "drink the liberal's tears" will prevail, that is what cult of personality leaders do and inspire: Rabid unquestioned commitment.

Tugg

Tugger wrote:

MikeDrop wrote:

I think you are off the mark. I'm no Trump cultist. I believe that this country needs a very vocal and strong loyal opposition. Unfortunately we don't have that now. The constant outrage at anything and everything Trump since the night of the election in 2016 has poisoned any chance at bi-partisanship in this country for at least a generation.
It started for me on election night when a guy on CNN called it a "white lash" and said all Trump voters are racist. You know the rest of the story. Death threats, pussy marches, asassination attempts, antifa riots, fake dossiers, ongoing FBI corruption and collusion with the DNC, constant media attacks, it goes onandonandonandonandonandknandon..........

How is that really different that what Republican's did during Obama's term in office? Saying things like "as long as Obama and the dems lose then it is good" or "you lie" or refusing to discuss anything with dems etc. Everything then was negative on the Republican side about Obama etc.

MikeDrop wrote:

We don't care what any of you say or think anymore.

Who is "we"?
Why don't you care what I or other Republican's say or think?

MikeDrop wrote:

Anyway, it's not a cult, it's a total rejection of every corrupt and ridiculous thing the left has done and continues to do. Trump is actually just a disposable instrument of our anger. Impeaching him won't change a thing.

Sounds pretty cult'y to me. And who is talking about impeaching him with this? Sounds like you are a bit defensive.

But seriously, you complain about other pointing out Trump obvious flaw and lies and then go on about how much "the left" (whoever they are in reality) lies and is flawed. Cults see their leader thru filtered lenses and cannot accept that they aren't what they imagine. Trump just tells stories and doesn't actually do much beyond churning. You are right that the Republican's are using him but the he is also using Republican's, and the real problem for Republican's is that he is speaking for them and their ideals and values and they are stuck with that.

We'll have to actually wait and see what happens in the next election but I do very much believe that the blind followers that prefer to "drink the liberal's tears" will prevail, that is what cult of personality leaders do and inspire: Rabid unquestioned commitment.

Tugg

Sure, the Repubs resisted Obama. But they didn't call for impeachment before he was even inaugurated. There were no Republicans objecting to the vote count for every single state that Obama won during the certification. I don't recall any mass assignation attempts in groups of Democratic congressmen practicing for a baseball game by a deranged republican activist during the Obama administration. There is nothing similar to the current state of resistance on the left to what happened during Obamas presidency.

Anyway, this is a good conversation.....

Mike Drop

johnboy wrote:

MikeDrop wrote:

I'm no Trump cultist. I believe that this country needs a very vocal and strong loyal opposition. Unfortunately we don't have that now. The constant outrage at anything and everything Trump since the night of the election in 2016 has poisoned any chance at bi-partisanship in this country for at least a generation.
It started for me on election night when a guy on CNN called it a "white lash" and said all Trump voters are racist. You know the rest of the story. Death threats, pussy marches, asassination attempts, antifa riots, fake dossiers, ongoing FBI corruption and collusion with the DNC, constant media attacks, it goes onandonandonandonandonandknandon..........

We don't care what any of you say or think anymore.

Anyway, it's not a cult, it's a total rejection of every corrupt and ridiculous thing the left has done and continues to do. Trump is actually just a disposable instrument of our anger. Impeaching him won't change a thing.

Mike Drop

Hmmm. Just goes back to what I said about Russians being astonished at the hatred of liberals by conservatives outweighing love of country.

Did you happen to get that off Stormfront?

I honestly don't know what a stormfront is, in this context at least, and I'm not interested in finding out.
But really, don't you think this whole "Russia" thing is played out? How are Russians even related to anything that I've said? Or is that just a tired attempt to discredit because you don't have anything relevant to add?

Mike Drop

MikeDrop wrote:

johnboy wrote:

MikeDrop wrote:

I'm no Trump cultist. I believe that this country needs a very vocal and strong loyal opposition. Unfortunately we don't have that now. The constant outrage at anything and everything Trump since the night of the election in 2016 has poisoned any chance at bi-partisanship in this country for at least a generation.
It started for me on election night when a guy on CNN called it a "white lash" and said all Trump voters are racist. You know the rest of the story. Death threats, pussy marches, asassination attempts, antifa riots, fake dossiers, ongoing FBI corruption and collusion with the DNC, constant media attacks, it goes onandonandonandonandonandknandon..........

We don't care what any of you say or think anymore.

Anyway, it's not a cult, it's a total rejection of every corrupt and ridiculous thing the left has done and continues to do. Trump is actually just a disposable instrument of our anger. Impeaching him won't change a thing.

Mike Drop

Hmmm. Just goes back to what I said about Russians being astonished at the hatred of liberals by conservatives outweighing love of country.

Did you happen to get that off Stormfront?

I honestly don't know what a stormfront is, in this context at least, and I'm not interested in finding out.

Gotta love that right wing intellectual curiosity(or total lack of). If you don't know what something is you should look it up rather than admit that you're lazy and have no interest in expanding your knowledge base.

President Donald Trump’s campaign has filed an arbitration against Omarosa claiming that she broke a nondisclosure agreement that she signed in 2016.

Omarosa begins raking in money from GoFundMe in 3... 2...1...

MikeDrop wrote:

Sure, the Repubs resisted Obama. But they didn't call for impeachment before he was even inaugurated. There were no Republicans objecting to the vote count for every single state that Obama won during the certification.

That's because you can't compare Obama--or any President, including Nixon--and Trump. If Obama did 1/100th the things Trump does, there would be burning crosses on the White House lawn faster than you can say white power.

MikeDrop wrote:

I don't recall any mass assignation attempts in groups of Democratic congressmen practicing for a baseball game by a deranged republican activist during the Obama administration.

Did you recall Jared Lee Loughner? Dylan Roof? The Unite the Right Rally? Samuel Woodward? The Trainwreck shooting? The Las Vegas police shootings? The Sikh temple shooting? There are so many more I could see how you may have forgotten to "recall" them.

bagoldex wrote:

Gotta love that right wing intellectual curiosity(or total lack of). If you don't know what something is you should look it up rather than admit that you're lazy and have no interest in expanding your knowledge base.

Right wing intellectual curiosity is neither intellectual, nor curious. Discuss--tawk amongst yahselvz

The fact that she was only making 15k a month is surprising. 180k a year? That's nothing in washington.

For those who were inquiring she was heading up the outreach arm to traditionally black colleges etc. Basically race relations.

Apparently she was offered $15,000 per month to stay on the re-election campaign and stay silent about her time at the White House.

Makes you wonder how many other people are putting on a smile and promoting Trump only in exchange for keeping quiet about what they know.....

MikeDrop wrote:

Sure, the Repubs resisted Obama. But they didn't call for impeachment before he was even inaugurated. There were no Republicans objecting to the vote count for every single state that Obama won during the certification. I don't recall any mass assignation attempts in groups of Democratic congressmen practicing for a baseball game by a deranged republican activist during the Obama administration. There is nothing similar to the current state of resistance on the left to what happened during Obamas presidency.

Anyway, this is a good conversation.....

Mike Drop

I think you are cherry picking but I agree it is a good conversation.
Before Obama got into office, while there was no impeachment talk, there was a lot of talk by some that he was not legitimate and not born in the USA etc. Also that he was really a Muslim. I see that as a basically equivalent tactic by an opposing party to legitimize his presidency, much like the impeach talk is for Trump. And don't forget those trying to play up his connection to a certain pastor and.... who was the writer guy that everyone was shouting about proving Obama was a communist/socialist etc?

And then there was the Obama campaign worker who was attacked for wearing an Obama shirt and needed surgery after the attack. And then there were the effigies of Obama that were hung in trees. It was pretty sad really.

Yes it wasn't identical but the threats and attacks and attempts to legitimize Obama were real. At least as real as what is happening with Trump. As I have said several times, the way the Republican's acted and reacted during the Obama administrations attempts to actually reach across the aisle gave the Dems and the left a road map of what to do now that Trump and the Reps are in power. I don't like that, in fact I hate it, but I can't blame others for doing what was proven (apparently) to work.

Tugg

So, Omarosa claimed and pretended she heard a tape of Trump using the N word.

She recorded them believing her and freaking out. Makes news.

Except she lied and literally made it all up to sell a book.

You can nail Trump for being odious in many ways, but this isn't it.

VTKillarney wrote:

President Donald Trump’s campaign has filed an arbitration against Omarosa claiming that she broke a nondisclosure agreement that she signed in 2016.

Likely unenforceable against a federal employee in a federal job. This is not a private company. So good luck.

Tugg

2122M wrote:

Apparently she was offered $15,000 per month to stay on the re-election campaign and stay silent about her time at the White House.

Ah ok. I assume this is what she claims?

MikeDrop wrote:

Sure, the Repubs resisted Obama. But they didn't call for impeachment before he was even inaugurated.

Another Banana Republican intellectual exercise in false equivalency.

Remind me again . . . what exactly was Obama (or anyone from his campaign) alleged to have done during the election that would call for impeachment?

trpmb6 wrote:

2122M wrote:

Apparently she was offered $15,000 per month to stay on the re-election campaign and stay silent about her time at the White House.

Ah ok. I assume this is what she claims?

I guess its her word against his (if he even denies is that is). I'm not sure who is more trustworthy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... 9e5b0ee09a

2122M wrote:

trpmb6 wrote:

2122M wrote:

Apparently she was offered $15,000 per month to stay on the re-election campaign and stay silent about her time at the White House.

Ah ok. I assume this is what she claims?

I guess its her word against his (if he even denies is that is). I'm not sure who is more trustworthy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... 9e5b0ee09a

People she has identified as eye witnesses have said that she is lying. That weighs against her.

VTKillarney wrote:

People she has identified as eye witnesses have said that she is lying. That weighs against her.

Agreed. However several others that have said she was lying regarding quotes attributed to them in the book have in turn been shown to be lying once the recorded conversion was released.

That is my biggest issue with the Trump administration, the constant, easily proven lies. Yes every administration lies, everyone lies, it is a human trait, but it is hyper-blatant and people don't care. Or at least Trumps supporters don't seem to care, but I do.

Politics is often filled with lies and creative wording to get around things that were said before, but the lack of caring or respect for any truth is not something I am OK with.

Tugg

VTKillarney wrote:

2122M wrote:

trpmb6 wrote:

Ah ok. I assume this is what she claims?

I guess its her word against his (if he even denies is that is). I'm not sure who is more trustworthy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... 9e5b0ee09a

People she has identified as eye witnesses have said that she is lying. That weighs against her.

Well that must disprove everything then . . .

Or, some would say, the lying is "already priced in."

Meanwhile, Lynne Patton has already confirmed that the conversation in the tape released today actually happened. She said it was in a different context . . . but . . . hmmmmmmm . . .

At least 40% of Americans will see this as the latest confirmation of the sh*tshow that is the Trump presidency. Another 40% will blow it off and cling to some Deep State conspiracy theory. You can't argue with the latter.

Tugger wrote:

VTKillarney wrote:

People she has identified as eye witnesses have said that she is lying. That weighs against her.

Agreed. However several others that have said she was lying regarding quotes attributed to them in the book have in turn been shown to be lying once the recorded conversion was released.

That is my biggest issue with the Trump administration, the constant, easily proven lies. Yes every administration lies, everyone lies, it is a human trait, but it is hyper-blatant and people don't care. Or at least Trumps supporters don't seem to care, but I do.

Politics is often filled with lies and creative wording to get around things that were said before, but the lack of caring or respect for any truth is not something I am OK with.

Tugg

My suspicion is that Trump supporters treat the situation like a sausage factory. They are willing to ignore how the product is made as long as they are pleased with the end result.

Trump's policies have proven to be better for conservatives than most people believed they would be. My theory is that the left pushed him to the right and now the left is reaping what it sowed. I remember when conservatives were complaining that Trump was not conservative enough. I don't hear those complaints anymore.

There is likely also a component that just likes the fact that he is not a traditional politician - even if that means sometimes there are some warts.

slider wrote:

Except she lied and literally made it all up to sell a book.

Let's see, from reporting it seems to be

1. She heard it as hearsay from a source she trusted
2. She finishes the book
3. She gets to hear the tape.

You need to get pretty forensic with words spoken during that interview to read a lie into that, the host does only press if she heard the tape, not if she had heard the tape before writing that paragraph. This is a live interview, not a careful thought trough statement.

4. We have a producer confirming the existence of the recording.
5. We have a tape of Trump aids discussing how to spin the use of the n word.

We know how they spin it, they call it a lie.

Best regards
Thomas

VTKillarney wrote:

2122M wrote:

trpmb6 wrote:

Ah ok. I assume this is what she claims?

I guess its her word against his (if he even denies is that is). I'm not sure who is more trustworthy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... 9e5b0ee09a

People she has identified as eye witnesses have said that she is lying. That weighs against her.

And they would have no reason to lie about that other than to ultimate goal of protecting truth and freedom in a dark and dangerous world. Right?

Trump is a known liar. He surrounds himself with known liars (you've seen the indictments and guilty pleas). There is no reason for anyone to believe him and his team over Omarosa at this point.