enilria wrote:Bald1983 wrote:enilria wrote:On another note, Americans are held all the time by foreign governments and it doesn't inspire actions that are this dramatic. North Korea was holding several American citizens until the recent warming of relations. I wonder why the U.S. considers this situation to be so much more of a priority? I think when it comes to foreign policy, they create a story for the U.S. citizens to rally around that has a shred of truth, but that masks whatever are the real reasons for the broader developments being justified.
I would suggest yo learn about foreign relations. North Korea was and is under massive sanctions ever since North Korea was caught violating the nuclear deal Clinton had worked out with the country. Those sanctions are still there. You make it sound like we are playing nice to North Korea and just arbitrarily coming down on Turkey. We are not playing nice to North Korea until they start tearing down their nuclear infrastructure. Turkey has gone from a relatively democratic nation, by Middle East standards, to an Islamic state. Turkey has become hostile to the United States. The United States is reacting. Do not forget Turkish personal attacking demonstrators in the United States who were protesting at the Turkish Embassy. AS I said, educate yourself on foreign policy.
I know quite a bit thanks. Has Turkey become hostile to the USA or has the USA become hostile to Turkey? It depends upon how you look at it. Erdogan has done some awful things and it would not be surprising if the U.S. was indeed involved in the coup. Also, Fethullah Gülen who lives in the U.S. has definitely been meddling in the political affairs of Turkey (without judging his motives). As evidenced by the U.S.-Russia kerfuffle, simple being a Russian is treated as de facto being an arm of the Russian government in the U.S. media. It is identical with the way the Turkish media treats Gulen as an arm of the U.S. government. The U.S. sold Turkey bombs to use against the Kurds, while also arming the Kurds to fight ISIS/ISIL. So, this is a lot more complicated than you make it out to be. And yes, the diplomatic situation with N. Korea is improving, while it is worsening with Turkey. As backdrop to all of this, Turkey is probably the most important choke point for oil and gas pipelines into Europe and has been leveraging that unsuccessfully to get into the E.U.
http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la- ... story.htmlBringing this all back to aviation,all that may be true, but TK is still a vibrant/growing/successful airline with a brand new hub about to open which constitutes a threat to the US3 JVs. So their lobbyists will be fanning the flames to extend sanctions to TK.
Things are not improving with North Korea; they are still at rock bottom, due to North Korea. President Trump has offered North Korea a way out, if it dismantles its nuclear program. Until then, sanctions remain. Turkey is the one changing. It has gone from being a relatively democratic nation, by Middle East standards to becoming a dictatorship. It has also pivoted to a more hostile stance against the United States and Israel. For every action, there is a reaction which is what we are witnessing. Turkey had a long tradition of the military stepping in when things got out of control, stabilizing things and stepping back out. It was not a United States plot. Turkey changed under Erdogan, hence the change in policy. Sounds to me your real issue is you have little use for the United States.
