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Non-Av Pic Thread, Q2 2018

Sun May 13, 2018 9:45 pm

Seems like we've gone straight from winter into summer, without the benefit of an intervening spring (global warming where are you? :sarcastic: )

Time to post some new pics:

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Mon May 14, 2018 3:19 am

Welcome back, and a fine set of photos too. I like the last one, I would swear that it was taken 50 years ago. My favorite though, and I am shocked is the one of the antique auto in front of the Tavern I presume, with the front number plate saying FU 2. I know you are a gentleman so I do not take offense, although over here those are fighting words. :box: ;) ;)
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Mon May 14, 2018 6:05 am

Absolutely love the girl in the shower and the one with the couple and the umbrella :thumbsup:

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Sorry for the quality, didn't realize the brutal compression postimage uses - yikes :boggled:
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Mon May 14, 2018 9:52 pm

WarRI1 wrote:
Welcome back, and a fine set of photos too. I like the last one, I would swear that it was taken 50 years ago. My favorite though, and I am shocked is the one of the antique auto in front of the Tavern I presume, with the front number plate saying FU 2. I know you are a gentleman so I do not take offense, although over here those are fighting words. :box: ;) ;)

Thanks, WarRI1. I can assure you that FU 2 means exactly the same over here as it does Stateside. No doubt it's just the owners of the pub having a bit of fun, though the interesting thing is that, even though it couldn't be an actual registration (it's too short), it's identical to a number plate from the first half of the last century, so I'm scratching my head here as to how they actually sourced it. Trust you to throw up some conundrum . . . :banghead: . On the other hand, it has been speculated that it's a message to local rockers U2, as the pub is famous for traditional Irish music. :D

ACDC8 wrote:
Absolutely love the girl in the shower and the one with the couple and the umbrella :thumbsup:

Thank you! I love your black and white shots, btw.

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Sorry for the quality, didn't realize the brutal compression postimage uses - yikes :boggled:

Know the feeling, I use Imgur and had to really intensify the blacks on the first and third images to make them solid.
 
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Tue May 15, 2018 6:21 am

Braybuddy wrote:
Thank you! I love your black and white shots, btw.

Thanks, I appreciate it! The non-compressed ones look way better tho :mrgreen:

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Know the feeling, I use Imgur and had to really intensify the blacks on the first and third images to make them solid.

How do you post the embedded pictures from imgur?
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Tue May 15, 2018 7:06 am

Just a few random shots from the past couple of years I took with my iPhone 7. And yes, I like to edit my photos, use different filters and just play around with stuff until I like the story I'm trying to tell - photography to me is all about the story telling and not always the pixels :mrgreen:

And yes, I used postimage again - so excuse any compression/quality issues :mrgreen:

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Tue May 15, 2018 7:38 pm

Braybuddy wrote:
WarRI1 wrote:
My favorite though, and I am shocked is the one of the antique auto in front of the Tavern I presume, with the front number plate saying FU 2. I know you are a gentleman so I do not take offense, although over here those are fighting words. :box: ;) ;)

Thanks, WarRI1. I can assure you that FU 2 means exactly the same over here as it does Stateside. No doubt it's just the owners of the pub having a bit of fun, though the interesting thing is that, even though it couldn't be an actual registration (it's too short), it's identical to a number plate from the first half of the last century, so I'm scratching my head here as to how they actually sourced it. Trust you to throw up some conundrum . . . :banghead:

No conundrum at all; FU 2 is a perfectly legitimate number plate in terms of format, as can be seen from this 1902 Napier, registered HE 1
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photo credit to Bonhams / London to Brighton run 2017 https://www.veterancarrun.com/entry-list/2017/page-10

In fact, speaking of Bonhams.... I found these articles detailing the history of the genuine FU 2 plate, previously owned by Paul "Mayfair Magazine" Raymond and worn on a yellow E-type Jaguar driven by Fiona "Vesta demitte" Richmond.

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https://www.regplates.com/blog/2016/06/ ... auctioned/
https://www.regtransfers.co.uk/content/ ... ories/fu2/
Quite how FU 2 came to be issued in the first place (sometime back in the 1920's) is the actual conundrum. :lol:

However, since the pub would have needed very deep pockets to buy the rights to the use genuine FU2 plate, and as the vehicle in front of the pub is not on a public highway, the registration need not be legally valid, which leaves the question "how did they create a realistic facsimile of a 1920's number plate?". One might also ask who do they think they are fooling by placing it on a 1950's Ford Popular? But since it is all just for a laugh, historical accuracy isn't really that important.

Apologies for the quality of the photos; they are for illustrative purposes only.
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Re: Non-Av Pic Thread, Q2 2018

Tue May 15, 2018 10:55 pm

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
No conundrum at all; FU 2 is a perfectly legitimate number plate in terms of format, as can be seen from this 1902 Napier, registered HE 1

But those prefixes were not used in Ireland. Our original system was similar to the British one, but all registrations contained either an I or a Z. There would have been very short registrations initially, but you'd have to go back to the first decade of the 20th century for that, which is too far back for the Austin here. You can't get personalised number plates here either, so that's out. There is a possibility that the car is a UK import, but who'd put a high-value number plate on an old banger like that?

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which leaves the question "how did they create a realistic facsimile of a 1920's number plate?

That's the $64,000 question! It certainly looks real. :scratchchin:
 
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Wed May 16, 2018 2:19 am

Braybuddy wrote:
SheikhDjibouti wrote:
No conundrum at all; FU 2 is a perfectly legitimate number plate in terms of format, as can be seen from this 1902 Napier, registered HE 1

But those prefixes were not used in Ireland. Our original system was similar to the British one, but all registrations contained either an I or a Z.


I'll agree the registration isn't local to Dublin, but if you are going to be pedantic....the Irish system wasn't merely similar to the British one - it was part of it; a sub-division if you prefer, in the same way that Scotland featured the letter "S". Furthermore, registrations of this age were issued on a county-by-county basis, so that within the Dublin area, you would have expected to see IK, RI, YI or ZI vehicles. Anything else (from another county) would be identified as "foreign", except there was no restriction in terms of crossing county boundaries (AFAIK). Hence a vehicle registered in Cheshire (FU 2) would be a visitor to Dublin in exactly the same way as a visitor from Galway, apart from the necessity of crossing the Irish Sea. And if the owner of FU 2 sold that vehicle to a Dublin resident, it was no more an import than if it had come from Galway.
Obviously as the Republic of Ireland came into being, stage by stage, the "importation" of vehicles, either by ship from the UK mainland, or driven down from Northern Ireland, became more of an issue.
Meanwhile, under this system, "Irish" vehicle registration marks could be transferred to Britain for re-registration on other vehicles, (even after Irish independence, and even though they could not be re-used within Ireland). The letter I in many combinations made these attractive for collectors, and indeed the Kilkenny issue VIP 1 has fetched a record price at auction. I should know; for some years I drove a Discovery with a registration that included the letter "I".
This format (I's and Z's) was only replaced in Eire in 1987. Elements of it are still in use in Northern Ireland today. :white:
So, whilst FU 2 is not a local Dublin County registration, neither is it necessarily a foreign import in the context of when it might have originally appeared.

There would have been very short registrations initially[ :checkmark: ], but you'd have to go back to the first decade of the 20th century for that [ :checkmark: ], which is too far back for the Austin here.
Sorry, can't let you get away with that last one. Previously there was a green Austin (also showing as "FU 2"), shown here with one headlight missing back in the days when the pub was just Fox's. I have seen more recent images of that same Austin, looking much smarter and potentially roadworthy ca 2009. However, your photo was taken some time after that, by which time the Austin had been replaced by a very tatty black Ford Popular, as I mentioned previously. And as both of us have observed, neither vehicle justifies a registration originally issued in the 1920's.
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You can't get personalised number plates here either, so that's out

Within carefully defined limits, it is still possible to make your vehicle stand out from the crowd; e.g. 06-D-750 is assigned to a BMW 750, and 06-D-911 to a Porsche 911. But it's true that your options are very limited.

However, since FU 2 is properly and legally allocated to a roadworthy vehicle somewhere within the UK, that...
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...leaves the question "how did they create a realistic facsimile of a 1920's number plate?

That's the $64,000 question! It certainly looks real. :scratchchin:
Obviously, somebody somewhere still makes these plates for historic vehicles.
https://insidedvla.blog.gov.uk/2015/11/ ... er-plates/

This outfit will supply an authentic pair for GBP£35.98
http://blacknumberplates.co.uk/

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Re: Non-Av Pic Thread, Q2 2018

Wed May 16, 2018 6:55 am

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
I'll agree the registration isn't local to Dublin, but if you are going to be pedantic..

Oh wow, pot, kettle and black! :rotfl: Rather than go into long-winded possible explanations, I tried to be as concise as possible which sacrificed accuracy for brevity. I didn't think readers of a Non-Av Pic thread would thank me for even a potted History of Irish Registration Plates. That's the trouble with internet forums: you leave out the tiniest details and you'll be slaughtered . . . You've obviously done some research on Irish registration plates, and your information is generally correct, although registrations from other counties within the Republic would never, ever, be considered "foreign". And yes, you can order registrations out-of-sequence, but actual personalised plates are out. You are right about the Ford Popular though. I've seen the Austin Seven there so many times I hadn't realised it had been replaced (even with the different colour :gasp: ) and the number plate retained, although I reckon you're out by 30 years on the age of the vehicle.

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Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish. :wave:

Hmmmm . . . . can I quote you on that?
 
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Fri May 18, 2018 2:45 am

Braybuddy wrote:
SheikhDjibouti wrote:
I'll agree the registration isn't local to Dublin, but if you are going to be pedantic..

Oh wow, pot, kettle and black! :rotfl: Rather than go into long-winded possible explanations, I tried to be as concise as possible which sacrificed accuracy for brevity. I didn't think readers of a Non-Av Pic thread would thank me for even a potted History of Irish Registration Plates. That's the trouble with internet forums: you leave out the tiniest details and you'll be slaughtered . . . You've obviously done some research on Irish registration plates, and your information is generally correct, although registrations from other counties within the Republic would never, ever, be considered "foreign". And yes, you can order registrations out-of-sequence, but actual personalised plates are out. You are right about the Ford Popular though. I've seen the Austin Seven there so many times I hadn't realised it had been replaced (even with the different colour :gasp: ) and the number plate retained, although I reckon you're out by 30 years on the age of the vehicle.

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And as that's my 999th post, it's time for me to go.
Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish. :wave:

Hmmmm . . . . can I quote you on that?




I still like the shot and the plate, and it sure created some good discussion on this thread also. I now know more about Irish auto registrations than I could have ever imagined. ;)
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Fri May 18, 2018 2:47 am

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Sat May 26, 2018 7:15 pm

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How do you post the embedded pictures from imgur?

After uploading the images, click on each one individually, then copy and paste the BBC code on the right.

Some pics from a whistle stop trip across the Balkans:

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Sat May 26, 2018 7:42 pm

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Sun May 27, 2018 10:39 am

First time in a while I've put some photos up.

The Italian Garden and the view at Tatton Park, Knutsford on 31st March 2018
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The Italian Garden at Lyme Park, Disley on 1st April 2018
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Upper Flower Garden at Trentham Gardens, Stoke on 5th May 2018
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View of Hardwick Hall taken from Hardwick Old Hall, Chesterfield on 13th May 2018
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Skating lake at Bodnant Garden, Colwyn Bay on 19th May 2018
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Mon May 28, 2018 12:08 am

A fine set of shots from places I will never get to. I will skip the fish market if I do get there. ;) Thanks to you all.
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