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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sat May 12, 2018 11:12 pm

aviationaware wrote:
B0pp0 wrote:
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I can't see any situation where things would be worse if Hillary won.


Let’s see:
- Therewould be no tax cuts. Millions of Americans would not have received bonusses and raises.
- Instead of conservatives who defend the constitution, thousands of liberal judges would have been appointed and working overtime to eviscerate the constitution.
- The White House would be working hard to abolish the Second Amendment.
- There would not be any pressure put on China on trade, and hence, China would not be putting any pressure on North Korea to denuclearize and make peace.
- The three hostages would not be free today.
- The terrorist Mullahs would be getting away with financing terrorism.
- Jerusalem would not have been recognized as the eternal capital of Israel and the embassy would not be moved there.
- Instead of the phony Russia collusion story, the media would be reporting on impeachment proceedings against Clinton for Pay 2 Play corruption and her email disaster.
- Instead of massive cutbacks on regulation, there would be more regulation than ever.
- More job-eliminating trade deals would have been cut with other nations.
- ISIS would be alive and well.
- The economic revocery would have continued, but at a slower pace and with fewer new jobs.
- The Obamacare mandate would still be up.
- The US would be paying countries like China massive amounts of money under the uneffective Paris Agreement.

And much more.

All in all, there can be no doubt that Trump is the most effective and one of the best first term Presidents in history. Now imagine what he could have done without a Democratic majority in the Senate.


Holy Kool-Aid batman, is this how every "conservative" thinks these days? How many years of learning falsehoods does it take for someone to believe such an extensive world of lies?

Not to mention, any American who doesn't make 6 figure salaries(and above) sees nothing from "tax cuts". Much of the middle class will see tax raises due to the elimination of SALT deductions.

You sound like a Christian Jihadi, preaching Mosaic law for these lands (aka Christian/Jewish Sharia). This is a secular country, you clearly don't actually care about the constitution.
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 12:23 am

Just the sight of all the commies at Hillary's campaign headquarters, Podesta having to speak because Hillary had a profanity laced meltdown and the MSM melting down made it all worth it.
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 12:33 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Just the sight of all the commies at Hillary's campaign headquarters, Podesta having to speak because Hillary had a profanity laced meltdown and the MSM melting down made it all worth it.


I was pretty horrified at the outcome of the election but the reaction from the hardcore left and the media was hilarious. The Young Turks' broadcast was particularly cringy.
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 12:37 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Just the sight of all the commies


Have you just totally mailed it in at this point and are just resigned to being a joke? Hows Alex Jones doing?
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 1:55 am

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Have you just totally mailed it in at this point and are just resigned to being a joke? Hows Alex Jones doing?


Let anyone come here
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 2:08 am

All you do is spout complete bullshit over and over again . Like literally.
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 3:14 am

She should have tried with a better campaign. People are fed up of the faux outrage over words or what was said a decade ago. Her campaign was exactly that: outrage over mean words and 'I'm a nicer person' are not going to get you into the White House.

Like we see here in the UK, the days if the metro liberals calling the shots are over. They try, jus trike Brexit to illigitemise the result. Project fear, fake news, Russian hackers and whining about the popular vote. It's funny how they whinge about Hilary winning the popular vote but when you tell them that actually Brexit was the popular vote and you still want to overturn that result. The trouble is people are all for democracy when it produces the results they crave. When it doesn't it's a different story.
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 3:42 am

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She should have tried with a better campaign. People are fed up of the faux outrage over words or what was said a decade ago. Her campaign was exactly that: outrage over mean words and 'I'm a nicer person' are not going to get you into the White House.

Like we see here in the UK, the days if the metro liberals calling the shots are over. They try, jus trike Brexit to illigitemise the result. Project fear, fake news, Russian hackers and whining about the popular vote. It's funny how they whinge about Hilary winning the popular vote but when you tell them that actually Brexit was the popular vote and you still want to overturn that result. The trouble is people are all for democracy when it produces the results they crave. When it doesn't it's a different story.


If the Democrats dropped the anti gun stance they'd blow the republicans out of the water in federal elections every time.
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 5:35 am

aviationaware wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
aviationaware wrote:
Now imagine what he could have done without a Democratic majority in the Senate.
Isn't that the current set up in the Senate? Last I checked, there were 51 GOP Senators and 51 senators is a majority in the Senate...they're not Democrats. Someone is drinking too much Kool Aid.


Won't bother to respond to all the other crap you wrote, but if you really think there is a GOP majority in the Senate, then you are probably smoking something. John McCain and Jeff Flake aren't really Republicans, they just pretend they are when there is an election. Thank god there will be a solid real republican majority in the Senate after the midterms.



Absolutely right. Name me a time that ANY democrat senator crossed Obama in his 8 years on important legislation.

Did any democrat senator oppose Obamacare?
Did any democrat senator oppose IRan deal?

No. But Flake and McCain go out of the way to win the praise of the leftist media and want to be invited to the left’s Georgetown parties.

Please. Jeff Flake didn’t run for re-election because he knew he was going to be primaried and not even make it to the general election.

And McCain? That guy would always tack conservative every 6 years to get the seat and then go back to be a RINO.

Finally opposing these two RINOs doesn’t make one an awful person or traitor or scum like some geniuses on this board want to call them.

The rage comes from the fact that Trump has a winning and had his best week. Economy good too. The democrats on this board better look out, the generic ballot is now right. No blue wave this fall! Ha ha too bad!
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 6:01 am

texdravid wrote:
Absolutely

The key thing is that Trump is a poor president. He continuously lies and has mostly not done what he promised he would do. From taxes to MAGA to relations with the world, Trump has not kept his word nor made the USA better off.

Fortunately there are many that are working to contain his foolishness and lies including many Republican's.

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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 7:43 am

Tugger wrote:
texdravid wrote:
Absolutely

The key thing is that Trump is a poor president. He continuously lies and has mostly not done what he promised he would do. From taxes to MAGA to relations with the world, Trump has not kept his word nor made the USA better off.

Fortunately there are many that are working to contain his foolishness and lies including many Republican's.

Tugg


Oh yes he has kept his word on taxes and appointing conservative judges. You see, in America, with lifetime appointments to the federal bench, appointing one judge is the equivalent of having 5-10 members of Congress in your back pocket for up to 30-40 years if they are young.

And you don’t know conservatives at all. Most conservatives don’t give two shits about what Europe or some Hyde park or Parisian continental leftist thinks. Trump is America first, second, and last. You see, we love it when he takes it to the media and foreigners or the democrat party. That’s the one glue that keeps his wide ranging coalition going.

Yes Trump is far from perfect. But we voted for him to KEEP HILLARY OUT and to destroy each and every thing the abominable Obama did. So far so good. MAGA indeed.
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 7:58 am

Tugger wrote:
texdravid wrote:
Absolutely

The key thing is that Trump is a poor president. He continuously lies and has mostly not done what he promised he would do. From taxes to MAGA to relations with the world, Trump has not kept his word nor made the USA better off.


Yes, you definitely ARE smoking something. Trump has kept more promises in a year than Obama did in 8. He also has a higher score from the Heritage Foundation than Reagan did at the same time in his Presidency.

- Appoint conservative judges: Check.
- Eliminate ISIS: Check.
- Recognize Jerusalem and move embassy: Check.
- Eliminate Obamacare: Partial Check.
- Tax cuts: Check.
- Getting tough on North Korea: Check.
- Curtail illegal immigration: Partial Check. Wall not there yet, but will come along.
- Pull out of TPP: Check.
- Pull out of Paris Accord: Check.
- Remove 2 pieces of regulation for every new one passed: Check (actually, exceeded by a freaking huge margin).
- Drop the Iran Deal: Check
- Cut immigration from dangerous places: Check.
- Protect funding for black colleges: Check.
- Expand the military budget: Check.
- Reverse decision to close Gitmo: Check.
- Donate salary: Check.
- Enact a lifetime ban for White House staff on lobbying for foreign governments: Check.
- Increase ICE manpower: Check.

Promises made, promises kept.

Jouhou wrote:
Not to mention, any American who doesn't make 6 figure salaries(and above) sees nothing from "tax cuts". Much of the middle class will see tax raises due to the elimination of SALT deductions.


That statement is a factual lie. SALT deduction was not eliminated, it was capped. That cap only affects people making far more than anyone in the middle class. Someone making 500k per year is not middle class.
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 8:02 am

CCGPV wrote:
sevenair wrote:
She should have tried with a better campaign. People are fed up of the faux outrage over words or what was said a decade ago. Her campaign was exactly that: outrage over mean words and 'I'm a nicer person' are not going to get you into the White House.

Like we see here in the UK, the days if the metro liberals calling the shots are over. They try, jus trike Brexit to illigitemise the result. Project fear, fake news, Russian hackers and whining about the popular vote. It's funny how they whinge about Hilary winning the popular vote but when you tell them that actually Brexit was the popular vote and you still want to overturn that result. The trouble is people are all for democracy when it produces the results they crave. When it doesn't it's a different story.


If the Democrats dropped the anti gun stance they'd blow the republicans out of the water in federal elections every time.


How? The liberals would not vote for them and a real conservative would never vote for them, as he knows they are lying when it comes to guns.
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 8:16 am

aviationaware wrote:
Tugger wrote:
texdravid wrote:
Absolutely

The key thing is that Trump is a poor president. He continuously lies and has mostly not done what he promised he would do. From taxes to MAGA to relations with the world, Trump has not kept his word nor made the USA better off.


Yes, you definitely ARE smoking something. Trump has kept more promises in a year than Obama did in 8. He also has a higher score from the Heritage Foundation than Reagan did at the same time in his Presidency.

- Appoint conservative judges: Check.
- Eliminate ISIS: Check.
- Recognize Jerusalem and move embassy: Check.
- Eliminate Obamacare: Partial Check.
- Tax cuts: Check.
- Getting tough on North Korea: Check.
- Curtail illegal immigration: Partial Check. Wall not there yet, but will come along.
- Pull out of TPP: Check.
- Pull out of Paris Accord: Check.
- Remove 2 pieces of regulation for every new one passed: Check (actually, exceeded by a freaking huge margin).
- Drop the Iran Deal: Check
- Cut immigration from dangerous places: Check.
- Protect funding for black colleges: Check.
- Expand the military budget: Check.
- Reverse decision to close Gitmo: Check.
- Donate salary: Check.
- Enact a lifetime ban for White House staff on lobbying for foreign governments: Check.
- Increase ICE manpower: Check.

Promises made, promises kept.

Jouhou wrote:
Not to mention, any American who doesn't make 6 figure salaries(and above) sees nothing from "tax cuts". Much of the middle class will see tax raises due to the elimination of SALT deductions.


That statement is a factual lie. SALT deduction was not eliminated, it was capped. That cap only affects people making far more than anyone in the middle class. Someone making 500k per year is not middle class.


In places like california, a millionaire is what you call a homeowner.
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 8:21 am

Jouhou wrote:
In places like california, a millionaire is what you call a homeowner.


If you cannot discern between net worth and income, then your economic knowledge is in even worse shape than I feared.
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 9:03 am

aviationaware wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
In places like california, a millionaire is what you call a homeowner.


If you cannot discern between net worth and income, then your economic knowledge is in even worse shape than I feared.


I didn't bother correcting you in that the figure you conjured up is more likely to be property value, not income. Considering that property tax is generally the larger component of "state and local taxes" and was in fact the reason why this looks like a blatant attempt to "punish" blue states with high property values.
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 9:14 am

Jouhou wrote:
I didn't bother correcting you in that the figure you conjured up is more likely to be property value, not income. Considering that property tax is generally the larger component of "state and local taxes" and was in fact the reason why this looks like a blatant attempt to "punish" blue states with high property values.


I don't know how to break this to you, but if you can afford to buy a home in New York City it is rather unlikely that you'd be considered middle class to begin with, considering that to afford the median home you need to make just under twice the median household income.
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 9:32 am

aviationaware wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
I didn't bother correcting you in that the figure you conjured up is more likely to be property value, not income. Considering that property tax is generally the larger component of "state and local taxes" and was in fact the reason why this looks like a blatant attempt to "punish" blue states with high property values.


I don't know how to break this to you, but if you can afford to buy a home in New York City it is rather unlikely that you'd be considered middle class to begin with, considering that to afford the median home you need to make just under twice the median household income.


Those of us who live in expensive places get paid more to compensate for higher costs of living. Per Redfin March 2018 data, Boston metro (which my city is a part of) median home price Is $462,500. That's median. For the metro, not just the city proper. San Francisco median price is $1,400,000.

https://www.redfin.com/blog/2018/04/mar ... -2018.html

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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 9:55 am

Jouhou wrote:
aviationaware wrote:

Those of us who live in expensive places get paid more to compensate for higher costs of living.


I suggest you research what the word "median" means before you try to interpret datasets. The median household income in New York is aprox. the same as the national median. Even in places where the median household income is higher (such as San Francisco which is around 28% higher than the national median), the difference between the median home there and national median home is much greater. The median US home is 213k, whereas the median NYC home is aprox. 200% higher than that (at the same median income level), and in San Francisco it is more than 500% higher than the national median (at,as mentioned above, 28% higher median incomes).

Stop trying to sell property owners in those places as middle class. They are not.
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 11:56 am

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Well...that's like your opinion man. I'm glad that that corrupt individual lost the election. Here's the thing, you say that we cant deny that the country wouldn't be worse off...take off the goggles and realize that those of us that voted for Trumo did so because the Democrats put up Hillary as their candidate. Instead of backing the Clinton dynasty, let's get some fresh blood in there so that we arent forced to choose between two bad choices.

#TooDrunkForThis


You think Clinton is more corrupt than Trump? The Trump administration will likely beat the Reagan administrations record for number of indictments. Political bias is blinding people to the point where proven corruption is overlooked.
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 1:00 pm

Well let's see what is more obvious:
1) Blatant pay 2 play corruption for millions of dollars that happened during Hillary's tenure as SecState, or
2) some lawyer without any government power (who just happens to know the President) taking a couple hundred k until the companies that gave him those contracts realize that he has no access to the President?

Not only was Cohen's would-be corruption totally ineffective, but more importantly it was certainly not arranged by Trump. The Clinton Foundation scam on the other hand was set up by Hillary and her closest cronies, so not only did she know, but she arranged it.
And please don't bring up the few thousand dollars that foreign diplomats spend at Trump properties. That is a sum so insignificant to someone like Trump that it's an insult to insinuate that he could be bought so cheaply. Trump's net worth has actually decreased since he declared (by quite a lot also), so any claims that he is in it to enrich himself are beyond stupid.
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 2:37 pm

seahawk wrote:
CCGPV wrote:
sevenair wrote:
She should have tried with a better campaign. People are fed up of the faux outrage over words or what was said a decade ago. Her campaign was exactly that: outrage over mean words and 'I'm a nicer person' are not going to get you into the White House.

Like we see here in the UK, the days if the metro liberals calling the shots are over. They try, jus trike Brexit to illigitemise the result. Project fear, fake news, Russian hackers and whining about the popular vote. It's funny how they whinge about Hilary winning the popular vote but when you tell them that actually Brexit was the popular vote and you still want to overturn that result. The trouble is people are all for democracy when it produces the results they crave. When it doesn't it's a different story.


If the Democrats dropped the anti gun stance they'd blow the republicans out of the water in federal elections every time.


How? The liberals would not vote for them and a real conservative would never vote for them, as he knows they are lying when it comes to guns.


The liberal vote doesn't matter. And you're not courting the conservative vote either. Those are the voters who vote the party regardless of who is running.

You're courting the moderate Democrat voter who owns, uses and wants guns. There are tons of them out there. The republicans can do the same thing with toning down the immigration or "Muslim bans." Most people don't care about immigration issues.
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 2:56 pm

Excellent op-ed on modern liberalism from the New York Times:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/12/o ... u-are.html
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 3:39 pm

aviationaware wrote:
Won't bother to respond to all the other crap you wrote,

Codeword for "I can't find any rebuttals".

aviationaware wrote:
but if you really think there is a GOP majority in the Senate, then you are probably smoking something.
Mitch McConnell, a KY Republican, is majority leader; ergo, it's a GOP majority.

aviationaware wrote:
John McCain and Jeff Flake aren't really Republicans, they just pretend they are when there is an election. Thank god there will be a solid real republican majority in the Senate after the midterms.

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texdravid wrote:
Absolutely right. Name me a time that ANY democrat senator crossed Obama in his 8 years on important legislation.

Oh, this will also be fun.

The fate of the Toomey-Manchin amendment which Obama strongly supported was that it failed with 4 Democrats voting "no" (former Senators Mark Pryor of AR, Mark Begich of AK, Max Baucus of MT, and current Senator Heidi Heitkamp of ND). I believe that meets your initial requirement of naming ANY Democrat senator who crossed Obama in his 8 years.

Shall I go on?

texdravid wrote:
Did any democrat senator oppose Obamacare?
Initially, Ben Nelson of Nebraska, though he ended up supporting the ACA in its final form and through reconciliation.

texdravid wrote:
Did any democrat senator oppose IRan deal?
Oh yes.
Here's The Hill's final tally on the Iran Deal, with MD's Ben Cardin, NJ's Robert Menendez, WV's Joe Manchin, and NY's Chuck Schumer opposed. Of course, Republicans shot themselves in the foot when they insisted to take up ratification as an act of Congress as opposed to letting the Senate ratify it. Passing a bill of disapproval which was vetoed and sustained meant the deal was signed and ratified.

Your turn.
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 4:02 pm

aviationaware wrote:
Excellent op-ed on modern liberalism from the New York Times:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/12/o ... u-are.html


According to the site, I have reached my limit of free articles and must pay to read this opinion piece.

Someone's opinion you think is fact. So? First and foremost: it is someone's opinion. People also have the opinion that the Earth is flat. Does that make it true if someone writes an op-ed for NYT? I thought NYT was fake news anyway, according to you righties and your orange god.

Who are these "liberals" you guys are always on about? Let's start there.
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 4:11 pm

B0pp0 wrote:
Things would be stable, our international repuation would be secure, we would be on good terms with Iran and Cuba, LGBTQ rights would be safe, and the US perhaps would be starting to catch up to Canada and Europe. Hillary wasn't the best candidate but she is what America needed to survive.

I can't see any situation where things would be worse if Hillary won. At least she wouldn't drag us into a unnecessary war and cause suffering at home. Hopefully when this regime is toppled she can save us.


It's good to have your own opinion and I respect that. But Hillary and Trump would both make bad Presidents IMO.
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 4:17 pm

seb146 wrote:
aviationaware wrote:
Excellent op-ed on modern liberalism from the New York Times:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/12/o ... u-are.html


According to the site, I have reached my limit of free articles and must pay to read this opinion piece.

Pro tip: use the Incognito/Private Browsing mode. That should free up some articles.
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 4:37 pm

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but if you really think there is a GOP majority in the Senate, then you are probably smoking something.
Mitch McConnell, a KY Republican, is majority leader; ergo, it's a GOP majority.

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The factions within the GOP, primarily the Freedom Caucus, is holding more moderate GOP members hostage. It might be "Republican controlled" but as we've seen its not a monolithic voting block.

This is what an American parliament looks like.
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 4:55 pm

aviationaware wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
aviationaware wrote:

Those of us who live in expensive places get paid more to compensate for higher costs of living.


I suggest you research what the word "median" means before you try to interpret datasets. The median household income in New York is aprox. the same as the national median. Even in places where the median household income is higher (such as San Francisco which is around 28% higher than the national median), the difference between the median home there and national median home is much greater. The median US home is 213k, whereas the median NYC home is aprox. 200% higher than that (at the same median income level), and in San Francisco it is more than 500% higher than the national median (at,as mentioned above, 28% higher median incomes).

Stop trying to sell property owners in those places as middle class. They are not.


I don't know why you are using NYC when San Francisco is the most expensive city in the US by a long shot, but NYC, particularly Manhattan, does see inflated property values due to it being a huge investment market, same issue London suffers from.

But seriously. I make an income that is solidly middle class in much of the US but where I live, I'm at the lowest end of middle class. It means I can rent my shoebox sized apartment. Median income here is close to 80k a year. I need to make 10-20k more a year for home ownership to seem viable to me. But you know, that's only a few promotions away for me.
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sun May 13, 2018 5:27 pm

aviationaware wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
In places like california, a millionaire is what you call a homeowner.


If you cannot discern between net worth and income, then your economic knowledge is in even worse shape than I feared.


Sure. In general, we say that a millionaire is a measure of net worth and not income. In general, your ability to finance a mortgage is a function of income and not net worth.

In practice, more and more residential real estate transactions in L.A. are becoming cash-only. Virtually all residential sales in San Fran are now cash-only. Those markets are so hot, sellers have no reason to entertain the risk of a financed offer when they have other buyers willing to pay cash.

It is no stetch to claim you need a net worth that already exceeds $1MM before buying a home in certain parts of CA.
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Mon May 14, 2018 1:47 am

Foreign policy wise, the world should be quite happy. We KNOW what Hillary was a war mongor in Democrat clothes. Hillary and her people were instrumental in involving the US in 2, that's right TWO wars that we did not need to be involved and that have killed hundreds of thousands of people and left their survivors in misery to this day. Nor did she present any plan for NK beyond what Obama was doing - and how was that working out? And I have little doubt that we'd be in a much more tenuous situation with Russia as well. But the kool kids in Europe will love us. Wonderful.

As for my finances, things have gone well so far during Trump, not all his doing but after a year, he owns it. Many of the illegals stagnating wages in my trade have been scared away- there are fewer lowballers around and the economy is booming. Life is good.
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Mon May 14, 2018 1:57 am

DfwRevolution wrote:
In practice, more and more residential real estate transactions in L.A. are becoming cash-only. Virtually all residential sales in San Fran are now cash-only. Those markets are so hot, sellers have no reason to entertain the risk of a financed offer when they have other buyers willing to pay cash.


I'm sorry but this is nonsense and simply not true. Ridiculously untrue, based on my own experience. So I looked, not one referance anywhere to "virtually all transactions".

A: Regarding the “all cash” offer home buyer in the Bay Area: We are seeing less and less which is a good thing for the locals who are trying to compete with VA loans, FHA loans, and even tradtional conventional loans. Maybe it is because all the good deals have been bought, who knows, but as an agent who specializes in helping people find affordable housing in the Bay Area, it is a sign of relief.

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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Mon May 14, 2018 8:16 pm

Seems like Trump Derangement Syndrome is still in season. #MAGA #Jerusalem #LockHerUp
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Mon May 14, 2018 10:58 pm

aviationaware wrote:

- Appoint conservative judges: Check.
- Eliminate ISIS: Check.
- Recognize Jerusalem and move embassy: Check.
- Eliminate Obamacare: Partial Check.
- Tax cuts: Check.
- Getting tough on North Korea: Check.
- Curtail illegal immigration: Partial Check. Wall not there yet, but will come along.
- Pull out of TPP: Check.
- Pull out of Paris Accord: Check.
- Remove 2 pieces of regulation for every new one passed: Check (actually, exceeded by a freaking huge margin).
- Drop the Iran Deal: Check
- Cut immigration from dangerous places: Check.
- Protect funding for black colleges: Check.
- Expand the military budget: Check.
- Reverse decision to close Gitmo: Check.
- Donate salary: Check.
- Enact a lifetime ban for White House staff on lobbying for foreign governments: Check.
- Increase ICE manpower: Check.

Promises made, promises kept..



Nice list you compiled there but apart from the fact that some of it is just untrue fox news propaganda, the rest just lacks any explanation on how this would be objectively good for the US as a whole (let alone the world)...


- Judges: Only positive if you're a conservative (roughly 30-40% of the population at best)
- Eliminating ISIS: Yeah sure, that happened.
- Moving embassy: Good job at destabilizing the ME even further *slow clapping*
- Eliminating Obamacare: Ahhh, the pure joy in the eyes of sick children who had the audacity to be born to poor parents
- Tax cuts: Positive for the top 10% (and I'm being generous here)
- North Korea: I'll give him that although most of the work in achieving actual peace was done by the Koreans themselves
- Illegal immigration: "Promises kept", huh? I haven't seen Mexico pay a single peso for that stupid wall yet.
- TPP: Good job at alienating allies in the Asian Pacific
- Paris accord: Good job at alienating literally everyone. At least there is the silver lining that some of the most red states will be hit first.
- Removing regulations for the sake of fulfilling some sort of quota: This is so stupid I won't even bother to comment
- Iran deal: See embassy comments.
- Cutting "dangerous" immigration: Assuming you mean the muslim ban, good job at wiping your *ss with the constitution by overtly discriminating based on religion
- Funding for black colleges: I'm not in on this, care to provide a source?
- Expand the military budget: Maybe the dumbest of them all, not only economic illiteracy (increasing gov't spending while cutting taxes) but also screws up the entire point he's trying to make with NATO members paying too little. Nothing says "you need to increase your share of the burden" like splashing out billions more on military
- Keeping Gitmo open: Applauding that is just borderline deranged
- Donating his salary??? I need proof for that, last time I checked he hadn't.
- Lobbying ban: Sounds somewhat sensible
- Increase ICE manpower: Yes, by lowering admission standards. That sounds like a recipe for success, doesn't it? /irony

If I'm being generous, 4/18. No wonder he's ranked the worst president in history in all the polls that have been taken since he's been in office.
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Tue May 15, 2018 1:43 am

lugie wrote:
If I'm being generous, 4/18. No wonder he's ranked the worst president in history in all the polls that have been taken since he's been in office.

You know how Southern states (particularly Alabama) have a saying that goes "Thank God for Mississippi" when it comes to discussing rankings? I think that were James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson alive they'd adopt the saying with "Thank God for Trump". Who would have thought someone would actually rank lower than the president preceding the Civil War and the president who took over after Lincoln was assassinated?
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Tue May 15, 2018 2:59 am

windy95 wrote:
Seems like Trump Derangement Syndrome is still in season. #MAGA #Jerusalem #LockHerUp


It's not really Trump derangement it's the fact that the country has rejected the socialist utopia the Dems have been shoving down our throats. Go to work and put in a hard days work. It will be all right. You don't have to sit in battery park all day and demand the successful people nanny you.
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Tue May 15, 2018 3:40 am

NIKV69 wrote:
windy95 wrote:
Seems like Trump Derangement Syndrome is still in season. #MAGA #Jerusalem #LockHerUp


It's not really Trump derangement it's the fact that the country has rejected the socialist utopia the Dems have been shoving down our throats. Go to work and put in a hard days work. It will be all right. You don't have to sit in battery park all day and demand the successful people nanny you.


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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Tue May 15, 2018 4:35 am

B0pp0 wrote:
Things would be stable, our international repuation would be secure, we would be on good terms with Iran and Cuba, LGBTQ rights would be safe, and the US perhaps would be starting to catch up to Canada and Europe. Hillary wasn't the best candidate but she is what America needed to survive.

I can't see any situation where things would be worse if Hillary won. At least she wouldn't drag us into a unnecessary war and cause suffering at home. Hopefully when this regime is toppled she can save us.


No it would be much worse. She is a vile woman and her policies are even more vile. Iran is the enemy and pulling out of that agreement which they continues to violate was the right call. Ltbg or whatever the term is these days isn't important to the majority of people. We should bend over backwards to change reality for them.

I am very happy with President Trump, he actually supports our ally Israel.
Puts prosperity first
Doesn't enable illegal aliens.
Supports the police and doesn't spout blacklivesmatter lies
Doesn't give in to climate alarmism and the backward socialism that goes with it.
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Tue May 15, 2018 4:37 am

Mir wrote:
Airstud wrote:
B0pp0 wrote:
we would be on good terms with Iran and Cuba


The measure of a fine nation indeed... :sarcastic:


But good terms with North Korea, an even more brutal dictatorship than either Iran or Cuba and one that does actually have nuclear weapons, is a great foreign policy win, right?


actually ending the korean war and NK's nuclear ambition is a good thing. I know you hate america leftists are praying that this all falls apart.
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Tue May 15, 2018 4:39 am

seb146 wrote:
The good:

The United States would still be in the Paris Climate Accords
The United States would still be in the Iran deal
The United States would not have bombed Syria
Americans would still have health care
The two Koreas would still be talking
No angry 3AM tweets calling other world leaders names

The bad:
No judged would be seated
Endless Congressional investigations into private servers and Benghazi. Two things that Republican Congresses have already investigaed and filed final reports on and she admitted to and apologized for.
Supremacists and neo Nazis would be turning out in even greater numbers
Guns would be used even more because "our Second Amendment rights are under attack!"
More attacks on LGBTQ community



The paris climate accord is nonsense, so happy we pulled out of that.
The iran deal was being violated by iran and didn't nothing but appease that brutal dictatorship.
Americans still do have healthcare just most of us aren't forced to pay for it anymore and those that didn't want it aren't forced to buy it.
The two Koreans are only talking because of President Trumps actions.

Being trans is a mental disorder.
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Tue May 15, 2018 6:07 am

Bigstud69 wrote:
The paris climate accord is nonsense, so happy we pulled out of that.
The iran deal was being violated by iran and didn't nothing but appease that brutal dictatorship.
Americans still do have healthcare just most of us aren't forced to pay for it anymore and those that didn't want it aren't forced to buy it.
The two Koreans are only talking because of President Trumps actions.

Being trans is a mental disorder.


Prove it.

Prove that Iran violated the deal they agreed to.
Prove that the Paris Climate Accord is nonsense.
Prove that Americans paying more for health care is better.
Prove that South and North Korea are talking because of tRump.
Prove that trans is a mental disorder.

Prove it.

Not from 4Chan or Infowars or 3ABN or Family Research Council. From peer reviewed sites.

Prove it.
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Tue May 15, 2018 7:01 am

I would pay money to listen to bigstud69 talk about any of those issues for more than a sentence. Would be the funniest thing ive seen in awhile.
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Tue May 15, 2018 9:46 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Go to work and put in a hard days work. It will be all right.

Except when that hard day's work doesn't pay enough to cover all the expenses you incur.

"We can't mandate people to have healthcare or subsidize it, but I'll be damned if my taxpayer dollars go to paying for someone else's healthcare."
"We shouldn't provide subsidized public transport, but if you don't have a car it's all your fault because you're clearly lazy/bum/moocher."
"We shouldn't provide sick leave or family leave, but if you or your kid gets sick, deal with it on your own time."
"Not making a livable wage? Your fault; not mine. Working two jobs? So? Move to a different city...on your own dime!"
"Can't afford college? Work part-time! Failed a course because of work? Study harder. Drowned with student loans? No one forced you to go to college anyway."

But sure...a hard day's work makes the sun shine and the birds sing, right?
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Thu May 17, 2018 8:27 pm

Jetsgo wrote:
Curious how those who refer to Trump as orange would react towards those who refer to Obama as black... in the same negative fashion of course. Asking for a friend.

Trump chose to be orange, Obama didn't. None should be mocked for their color though.
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Fri May 18, 2018 3:26 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
lugie wrote:
If I'm being generous, 4/18. No wonder he's ranked the worst president in history in all the polls that have been taken since he's been in office.

You know how Southern states (particularly Alabama) have a saying that goes "Thank God for Mississippi" when it comes to discussing rankings? I think that were James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson alive they'd adopt the saying with "Thank God for Trump". Who would have thought someone would actually rank lower than the president preceding the Civil War and the president who took over after Lincoln was assassinated?



My own state of California has the exact same saying...small world.

But it is absurd to rate presidents without the passage of time.
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Fri May 18, 2018 3:43 pm

For a European it always makes me laugh when Americans call Democrats Commies, Socialists or Neo-Liberals. Compared to almost the entire Western World the Democrats are well and truly centre ground, if anything just slightly right of. Republicans compared to most countries are absolutely miles to the right and there are very very few in power elsewhere that are that far right.

I think what you are seeing with the resurgence of the right in America and in some European states is actually the older generations last stand. Breakdown of votes for Brexit, Trump, Polands crazies, by age group (and education level) all show the same thing. Give it 10-15 years and with the natural fall off of votes things will hopefully be very different. Being in the centre ground of politics is very underrated. :-)

By European standards I'm very much centre ground, probably more left leaning after a few years living in Germany. By many standards on this forum I'm a commie. :-)
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Fri May 18, 2018 3:54 pm

I will agree Harvey Weinstein would have been a lot better off if she had been elected. But the rest of us not so much.....
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sat May 19, 2018 1:41 pm

President Trump will be removing Title X funding from all healthcare providers that provide or refer abortions tomorrow, effectively defunding genocidal eugenics organziation Planned Parenthood. Another promise made, promise kept.
 
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sat May 19, 2018 9:52 pm

Trump made the president saying things that are objectively not truth a normal thing & people have as reference he apparently gets away with it. Forget what mom learned you about behaviour.
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Re: You cannot deny that America would be infinitely better off if Hillary won

Sat May 19, 2018 11:38 pm

We would still have lower cost health care than we have now, a nuclear treaty with Iran, racists would not be respectable and this

https://www.washingtonpost.com/videonat ... 0c25b060b9

would not happen. Factories dumping waste into rivers and streams.
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