NIKV69 wrote:

No thread here, not being discussed at all on CNN.


Why?


Easy. Armed security who was properly trained stopped the attack. Nobody dead, no AR-15 just a handgun.


The silence is deafening.

Glad this officer was a lot braver than the one in Broward county.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/maryl ... index.html

Yes it's a grand conspiracy.

And we're all in on it.

EDIT: And airliners.net is also in on the conspiracy as my message was placed on top of yours . . .

No thread here, not being discussed at all on CNN.


Why?


Easy. Armed security who was properly trained stopped the attack. Nobody dead, no AR-15 just a handgun.


The silence is deafening.

Glad this officer was a lot braver than the one in Broward county.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/maryl ... index.html

Another shooting, many effected.

NIKV69 wrote:

No thread here, not being discussed at all on CNN.


Why?

#Sad, that you decided to misuse such a tragedy. Two wounded, one dead.

NIKV69 wrote:

No thread here, not being discussed at all on CNN.

You say this, but then....

NIKV69 wrote:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/maryl ... index.html

You post this.

So which is it? Is CNN discussing this or not, because it sure as hell looks to me like CNN is discussing it.

Dutchy wrote:

#Sad, that you decided to misuse such a tragedy. Two wounded, one dead.

More sad when a tragedy of 17 dead being misused yet you were silent.

OA412 wrote:

So which is it? Is CNN discussing this or not, because it sure as hell looks to me like CNN is discussing it.

Not really been watching all day. It's been some guy with pink hair showing us a video of some guy bragging a fb data mine is why Trump won and some ugly porn star sitting in a chair taking a lie detector test about an affair nobody cares about. Oh yea that and Mueller about to get fired when really he isn't going to be fired. They gave a quick 5 mins on the shooting.

Like I said if it doesn't fit the narrative it doesn't run. Main reason they won't run the story is that the officer with a gun stopped the school shooter with a gun.

NIKV69 wrote:

Not really been watching all day.

Sounds like a productive member of society.

NIKV69 wrote:

No thread here, not being discussed at all on CNN.


Why?


Easy. Armed security who was properly trained stopped the attack. Nobody dead, no AR-15 just a handgun.


The silence is deafening.

Glad this officer was a lot braver than the one in Broward county.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/maryl ... index.html

I gather from this post that you think that a school shooting which only results in two girls shot (one of them in the head) and ends in a gunfight on school property is a big win for the pro-gun crowd and should receive more accolades?

jetero wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

Not really been watching all day.

Sounds like a productive member of society.

I am not a nine to fiver. I can't help if my days off are Monday and Tuesday but don't let that stop your constant inane and flamebait comments.

NIKV69 wrote:

jetero wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

Not really been watching all day.

Sounds like a productive member of society.

I am not a nine to fiver. I can't help if my days off are Monday and Tuesday but don't let that stop your constant inane and flamebait comments.

Oh Nikky Nikky Nikky.

The whole premise of this thread is flamebait, and, as per ushe, full of a transparent look into the absolute, one-sided, irrational inanity inside your head.

You say that the "silence is deafening" on this issue because people are presumably loath to admit an well-trained, armed guard in this single instance stopped a school shooting.

You imply some grand media and liberal conspiracy.

You accused people who do have legitimate views towards gun control as "misusing a tragedy."

salttee wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

No thread here, not being discussed at all on CNN.


Why?


Easy. Armed security who was properly trained stopped the attack. Nobody dead, no AR-15 just a handgun.


The silence is deafening.

Glad this officer was a lot braver than the one in Broward county.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/maryl ... index.html

I gather from this post that you think that a school shooting which only results in two girls shot (one of them in the head) and ends in a gunfight on school property is a big win for the pro-gun crowd and should receive more accolades?

He also implies we liberals and the MSM are upset that more people didn't die because the guard wasn't armed.

I think we should take a page from the NRA handbook. This is not the time to politicise this shooting.

jetero wrote:

He also implies we liberals and the MSM are upset that more people didn't die because the guard wasn't armed.

The shoe sure fits doesn't it?

NIKV69 wrote:

No thread here, not being discussed at all on CNN.

It's been the primary topic all day long since it started on CNN.com. The top of the page, biggest story, multiple follow on stories.

Now CNN is highlighting the good actions of the officer.

NIKV69 wrote:

Why?


Easy. Armed security who was properly trained stopped the attack.

Nope, you are completely wrong, as I noted above.

NIKV69 wrote:

Nobody dead, no AR-15 just a handgun.

Yes, this is important. Thanks goodness nobody died. An assault rifle would have caused more lives to be at risk. Or do you disagree?

Thanks for the topic though, another bit that proves the need to improve gun control, we need better legislation to better cover the purchase and ownership of firearms.
As this situation shows a properly trained person is best. The officer was required to go through a lot of training and maintain that training to keep his issued firearm.

Definitely appreciate you highlighting that we need that more.

For me, I suggest a 100% tax on firearms and then a hard crack down on any illegal firearms, use, or purchases. (For those that wonder, the tax has been used before and is perfectly supportable as it does not infringe on the right to bear.)

Tugg

NIKV69 wrote:

jetero wrote:

He also implies we liberals and the MSM are upset that more people didn't die because the guard wasn't armed.

The shoe sure fits doesn't it?

You are a radical, Nikky V.

Actually all this proves is that unless a certain training standard is applied for armed security at schools, you'd get differing responses.

It would be better to actually prevent things by tightening up gun laws rather than applying a cure through armed guards patrolling the schools.

One good guy with a gun one time proves that right wing logic wins 100% of the time? Nice try. If that is the case, my Canucks have won every Stanley Cup. They have won at least one game, right?

Let's not exploit this tragedy. Now is not the time. Thoughts and prayers blah, blah, blah.....

Remember, we need to arm teachers

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/03/1 ... ay-pkg.cnn

This seemed to be a targeted gun shooting event, not to be a mass attack. This involved a handgun, not a modified military class weapon with large magazines of bullets. Likely the young woman who was shot rejected this person, he may have been a victim of harassment. I would also suspect the handgun belonged to a family member.
Yes, unlike Parkland, a trained police officer (including SWAT training) was posted at the school who promptly did his duty and quickly ended this event, possibly shooting the guy with the handgun and killing him. While many condemn the LEO's at the Parkland shoiting for not going in and doing something to end the shooting, the shooter there used a military class weapon, the school itself was a much larger facility than the one in MD, the location of the shooter may have been easier to get to, so to compare is difficult and even unfair.
Still, another school is going through the trauma of death and a shooting event on their premises.

Meanwhile how many school shootings have their been this year in Europe? Australia? Japan?

seb146 wrote:

One good guy with a gun one time proves that right wing logic wins 100% of the time? Nice try.

But it's not what you present, rather it is: One well trained, regulated guy armed with a gun that he must prove he can use effectively, regularly.

Tugg

In the interest of being non-partisan (not that these things should be partisan).

A tip of my hat to Deputy Blaine Gaskill . . . you are a hero, sir.

MaverickM11 wrote:

Meanwhile how many school shootings have their been this year in Europe? Australia? Japan?

Meanwhile how many school stabbings have their been this year in Europe? Australia? Japan?

I don't know.

So here's what I know after watching the 11pm News for WJLA ABC 7 DC:

They showed an interview they did this afternoon, outside, with Senior student Isaiah Tishman (not sure of the spelling, it might be Tisham...), who they said went to MS with the shooter, Honor Student Austin Wyatt Rollins.

Tishman said that he was in the hallway after Tishamn had shot the girl and the boy. Tishman said that he saw Rollins with Rollin's gun to Rollin's head. Tishman said that the SRO was speaking to Rollins, yelling "We know you don't want to hurt anyone, put the gun down." Tishman said the SRO said that a couple of times, and then, the SRO shot Rollins, and at the same time another shot went off (presumably Rollins shooting himself in the head).

But, WJLA also posted a report on their website from a Sheriff's Dept. News Conference:

"Officials say, once alerted to the shooting, the resource officer, Deputy First Class Blaine Gaskill, jumped into action and pursued the shooter. During the pursuit, the officer fired a round at the shooter, who simultaneously shot at the officer, the sheriff said during the conference."

http://wjla.com/news/local/school-resou ... icials-say

DIRECTFLT wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

Meanwhile how many school shootings have their been this year in Europe? Australia? Japan?

Meanwhile how many school stabbings have their been this year in Europe? Australia? Japan?

So here's what I know after watching the 11pm News for WJLA ABC 7 DC:

Tishman said that he was in the hallway after Tishamn had shot the girl and the boy.

Sounds like someone needs to arrest Tishamn. (Or is it Tishman?)

You're definitely helping your credibility. The Lord is obviously working through you.

As for school stabbings in Europe, Australia, or Japan? Obviously there's at least 5 per day. Probably at least 50 in Japan since they don't have Jesus. Someone needs to give those teachers knives!

Only the 17 year old shooter died in this week's school shooting, and only 2 kids ended up with bullet wounds?

Well, alleluia! All is well in a perfectly functional society!

jetero wrote:

DIRECTFLT wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

Meanwhile how many school shootings have their been this year in Europe? Australia? Japan?

Meanwhile how many school stabbings have their been this year in Europe? Australia? Japan?

So here's what I know after watching the 11pm News for WJLA ABC 7 DC:

Tishman said that he was in the hallway after Tishamn had shot the girl and the boy.

Sounds like someone needs to arrest Tishamn. (Or is it Tishman?)

You're definitely helping your credibility and proving ther. The Lord is obviously working through you.

As for school stabbings in Europe, Australia, or Japan? Obviously there's at least 5 per day. Probably at least 50 in Japan since they don't have Jesus. Someone needs to give those teachers knives!

Lighten up on the personal attacks and insults and sarcasm, and we might could have a civil discussion....

DIRECTFLT wrote:

So here's what I know after watching the 11pm News

You know that gun control and regulation, requirements, works!

As I said above: A person who is well trained, regulated, in order to have a firearm there he must prove he can use effectively, regularly. Or it will be taken away. Yes it is his job but for my family that hunts the same rules exist, if that is you want to join on a hunt etc. Unskilled fools are not welcome. Is it different for your family?

Tugg

DIRECTFLT wrote:

jetero wrote:

DIRECTFLT wrote:

Meanwhile how many school stabbings have their been this year in Europe? Australia? Japan?

So here's what I know after watching the 11pm News for WJLA ABC 7 DC:

Tishman said that he was in the hallway after Tishamn had shot the girl and the boy.

Sounds like someone needs to arrest Tishamn. (Or is it Tishman?)

You're definitely helping your credibility and proving ther. The Lord is obviously working through you.

As for school stabbings in Europe, Australia, or Japan? Obviously there's at least 5 per day. Probably at least 50 in Japan since they don't have Jesus. Someone needs to give those teachers knives!

Lighten up on the personal attacks and insults and sarcasm, and we might could have a civil discussion....

OK buddy.

Are you still smarting from your recently closed thread?

DIRECTFLT wrote:

I just wanted to Trigger some with this....

How did I not realize from that you were interested in civil discussions . . .

Guess I was triggered

DIRECTFLT wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

Meanwhile how many school shootings have their been this year in Europe? Australia? Japan?

Meanwhile how many school stabbings have their been this year in Europe? Australia? Japan?

Near zero, if not zero. Try again dear.

DIRECTFLT wrote:

Lighten up on the personal attacks and insults and sarcasm, and we might could have a civil discussion....

Is someone stepping in for you?

MaverickM11 wrote:

DIRECTFLT wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

Meanwhile how many school shootings have their been this year in Europe? Australia? Japan?

Meanwhile how many school stabbings have their been this year in Europe? Australia? Japan?

Near zero, if not zero. Try again dear.

MSM ignoring school stabbing epidemics in Europe, Australia, and Japan.

Article on Breitbart to come out soon.

jetero wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

DIRECTFLT wrote:

Meanwhile how many school stabbings have their been this year in Europe? Australia? Japan?

Near zero, if not zero. Try again dear.

MSM ignoring school stabbing epidemics in Europe, Australia, and Japan.

Article on Breitbart to come out soon.

Must be in one of those no-go moose lamb areas that locals have never heard of--known only to old white people in the Midwest

MaverickM11 wrote:

Meanwhile how many school shootings have their been this year in Europe? Australia? Japan?

It’s clearly in the hundreds but the liberal media isn’t running with the stories because it doesn’t fit the narrative ordered by the DVD and there subordinate agency the NRA, our friend Spyhunter will be able to give us all the details.

Tugger wrote:

seb146 wrote:

One good guy with a gun one time proves that right wing logic wins 100% of the time? Nice try.

But it's not what you present, rather it is: One well trained, regulated guy armed with a gun that he must prove he can use effectively, regularly.

Tugg

One time against a kid with a pistol is what happened this time. What about Aurora or Sandy Hook or Orlando or Tucson or San Burnardino or Parkland or or or or..... Righties keep saying "But a good guy with a gun is the solution" except it has only worked once.

Maybe it is time to try something else.

seb146 wrote:

Righties keep saying "But a good guy with a gun is the solution" except it has only worked once.

In fairness, that's not true.

But I wouldn't call "working" two victims seriously injured.

Apparently the child had the gun pointed at his head when hero Blain told the kid to put the gun down. Not yet clear if Blain then killed him, the kid killed himself and then Blain shot him or the kid killed himself and Blain missed.

The girl has life threating injuries and a gofundme page with 33k already !

The girl injured is the daughter of one of my coworkers (I work at the naval base two miles from the school).

While I'm glad the situation was brought under control quickly, it's a shame that this happened in the first place.

And NIKV69, for what it's worth, that mecca of truth called Fox News didn't bring this up at all during their programming either. How do I know? Fox News was on our galley TV and they focused more on the Austin bombings. If you're gonna complain about coverage, hold both sides accountable; otherwise, the word that describes the action is "hypocritical".

jetero wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

No thread here, not being discussed at all on CNN.


Why?


Easy. Armed security who was properly trained stopped the attack. Nobody dead, no AR-15 just a handgun.


The silence is deafening.

Glad this officer was a lot braver than the one in Broward county.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/maryl ... index.html

Yes it's a grand conspiracy.

And we're all in on it.

EDIT: And airliners.net is also in on the conspiracy as my message was placed on top of yours . . .

So instead of taking guns away from people, even having the best armed security in the world, the shooter will still be able to shoot a few people before the armed security are able to react and stop the shooter.

You could have 5 Chuck Norris' riding around school hallways with their guns drawn on turbo charged segways and STILL a potential shooter will still be able to shoot/kill a few people before he is neutralized.

Why not just take the guns away and get rid of the problem altogether?

Redd wrote:

Why not just take the guns away and get rid of the problem altogether?

guns don't kill.

What you need is a capable pre crime unit.

Skipping the thread, most of us don't want to inspire anymore copycat killers by glamourizing these things. IE talking about it. I don't even click the headlines.

What is a Pre Crime Unit.

bennett123 wrote:

What is a Pre Crime Unit.

see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Minority_Report

or the 2002 Tom Cruise Movie: "Minority 'Report":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_ ... %28film%29

Not convinced that Pre Crime Units are a good idea.

bennett123 wrote:

Not convinced that Pre Crime Units are a good idea.

neither do I think that
"guns don't kill."
is a useful viewpoint.

Both statements were facet views into Dystopia.

Redd wrote:

Why not just take the guns away and get rid of the problem altogether?

Because despite what the left likes to think, you will never be able to take even a fraction of the guns away. That would required heavily armed swat teams and a nationwide door to door search of every house in the nation. That may work in California or New York but here in the south those that do the searching would have a very high chance of being shot.

Besides, we made drugs illegal to get and they are still easily attained.

LittleSprocket wrote:

Because despite what the left likes to think, you will never be able to take even a fraction of the guns away.

Meanwhile, the right likes to think the left wants to take all the guns away.

It's one of the main reasons why we can't have a reasonable debate about sensible gun controls.

scbriml wrote:

LittleSprocket wrote:

Because despite what the left likes to think, you will never be able to take even a fraction of the guns away.

Meanwhile, the right likes to think the left wants to take all the guns away.

It's one of the main reasons why we can't have a reasonable debate about sensible gun controls.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. The problem is that both sides are managed by the fringe elements of the party and as such ANY sort of compromise is looked at with distrust. Just look at the DACA issue for instance, the right offered a plan to legalise 1.8 million DACA recipients but because the right wanted to build a border wall it was never agreed to.

There is no compromise when the far left and the far right control the parties.

LittleSprocket wrote:

scbriml wrote:

LittleSprocket wrote:

Because despite what the left likes to think, you will never be able to take even a fraction of the guns away.

Meanwhile, the right likes to think the left wants to take all the guns away.

It's one of the main reasons why we can't have a reasonable debate about sensible gun controls.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. The problem is that both sides are managed by the fringe elements of the party and as such ANY sort of compromise is looked at with distrust. Just look at the DACA issue for instance, the right offered a plan to legalise 1.8 million DACA recipients but because the right wanted to build a border wall it was never agreed to.

Not quite. DACA failed because the plan to legalize DACA recipients came with the wall *and* reducing immigration levels down to a trickle, driven almost entirely by white nationalist and Dylan Roof understudy Stephen Miller, who reflects a small minority of Americans, even on the right. There may be "both sides" issues--personally I doubt it because the right is so far off the deep end they're in a new dimension--but this is not one of them.

MaverickM11 wrote:

LittleSprocket wrote:

scbriml wrote:

Meanwhile, the right likes to think the left wants to take all the guns away.

It's one of the main reasons why we can't have a reasonable debate about sensible gun controls.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. The problem is that both sides are managed by the fringe elements of the party and as such ANY sort of compromise is looked at with distrust. Just look at the DACA issue for instance, the right offered a plan to legalise 1.8 million DACA recipients but because the right wanted to build a border wall it was never agreed to.

Not quite. DACA failed because the plan to legalize DACA recipients came with the wall *and* reducing immigration levels down to a trickle, driven almost entirely by white nationalist and Dylan Roof understudy Stephen Miller, who reflects a small minority of Americans, even on the right. There may be "both sides" issues--personally I doubt it because the right is so far off the deep end they're in a new dimension--but this is not one of them.

Way to prove my point. Adjusting immigration levels to add those that are already in this country is white nationalism? A countries economy can only handle so many bodies. Calling that white nationalism is exactly what I meant by those on the fringes of both party being the problem. If white nationalism was at work here, they wouldn't have advocated to admit 1.8 MILLION illegal immigrants and given them a pathway towards citizenship.

LittleSprocket wrote:

Way to prove my point. Adjusting immigration levels to add those that are already in this country is white nationalism? A countries economy can only handle so many bodies. Calling that white nationalism is exactly what I meant by those on the fringes of both party being the problem. If white nationalism was at work here, they wouldn't have advocated to admit 1.8 MILLION illegal immigrants and given them a pathway towards citizenship.

No, Stephen Miller is white nationalism. Wanting people from Norway and not brown people from shitholes is white nationalism. Reducing immigration because you think your European stock is at risk of being marginalized by new arrivals is white nationalism. Painting every immigrant legal or illegal as a criminal, while ignoring homegrown violence is white nationalism. They're not "adjusting immigration levels"; they want to wind them down to zero. And in a country where the unemployment rate is at record lows and a wide variety of industries can't find any employees period, it's not a question of an economy not being able to handle so many bodies--especially immigrants who tend to be superior contributors to the economy.

MaverickM11 wrote:

LittleSprocket wrote:

Way to prove my point. Adjusting immigration levels to add those that are already in this country is white nationalism? A countries economy can only handle so many bodies. Calling that white nationalism is exactly what I meant by those on the fringes of both party being the problem. If white nationalism was at work here, they wouldn't have advocated to admit 1.8 MILLION illegal immigrants and given them a pathway towards citizenship.

No, Stephen Miller is white nationalism. Wanting people from Norway and not brown people from shitholes is white nationalism. Reducing immigration because you think your European stock is at risk of being marginalized by new arrivals is white nationalism. Painting every immigrant legal or illegal as a criminal, while ignoring homegrown violence is white nationalism. They're not "adjusting immigration levels"; they want to wind them down to zero. And in a country where the unemployment rate is at record lows and a wide variety of industries can't find any employees period, it's not a question of an economy not being able to handle so many bodies--especially immigrants who tend to be superior contributors to the economy.

I don't care what Stephen Miller says. You equate what he had to say with anything that the Trump supporters support as being white nationalists. Its the same as calling anyone that disagrees with you on a subject as being either racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic or any other cue words that the left likes to throw around. Believe it or not, a good portion on the right also support fixing the DACA issue. That in of itself would be against the whole white nationalist movement.

Thank you though for proving exactly what I mean. The left and right fringes believe that anyone that goes against my beliefs is somehow evil and as such we can't be seen cooperating or negotiating with them. It is ALL about making oneself look better for the up coming election with their constituents.

LittleSprocket wrote:

I don't care what Stephen Miller says. You equate what he had to say with anything that the Trump supporters support as being white nationalists.

Well you better start caring what he says, because he is the gate keeper on immigration, and he has Trump's ear, and he's one of many white nationalists that have surrounded Trump since before the election. Or is this where we pretend they didn't say that, and if they did say that they didn't mean what they said, and if they did then it was just a joke, and if they weren't joking then they were being ironic, and if not that then well...some of their best friends are from shitholes?

LittleSprocket wrote:

Its the same as calling anyone that disagrees with you on a subject as being either racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic or any other cue words that the left likes to throw around.

Just the actual racists, islamo/homo/trans/etc/phobes of which this administration is largely comprised. I thought this election was all about "calling what it is". And what it is is a bunch of white nationalists who are wildly out of step with the nation.

LittleSprocket wrote:

Believe it or not, a good portion on the right also support fixing the DACA issue. That in of itself would be against the whole white nationalist movement.

No kidding. And *who* is the biggest stumbling block to a deal? Hint--it's the guy you don't "care what he says", which makes him kind of a big deal

LittleSprocket wrote:

Thank you though for proving exactly what I mean. The left and right fringes believe that anyone that goes against my beliefs is somehow evil and as such we can't be seen cooperating or negotiating with them. It is ALL about making oneself look better for the up coming election with their constituents.

All you've proven is your head is firmly planted in the sand that you can't tell that this admin has shanked things so far beyond the looney right that being a centrist looks like a fringe element to you. You can be an immigration hawk without being dumb and/or racist, but this administration is nailing the latter two out of the park.

MaverickM11 wrote:

LittleSprocket wrote:

I don't care what Stephen Miller says. You equate what he had to say with anything that the Trump supporters support as being white nationalists.

Well you better start caring what he says, because he is the gate keeper on immigration, and he has Trump's ear, and he's one of many white nationalists that have surrounded Trump since before the election. Or is this where we pretend they didn't say that, and if they did say that they didn't mean what they said, and if they did then it was just a joke, and if they weren't joking then they were being ironic, and if not that then well...some of their best friends are from shitholes?

LittleSprocket wrote:

Its the same as calling anyone that disagrees with you on a subject as being either racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic or any other cue words that the left likes to throw around.

Just the actual racists, islamo/homo/trans/etc/phobes of which this administration is largely comprised. I thought this election was all about "calling what it is". And what it is is a bunch of white nationalists who are wildly out of step with the nation.

LittleSprocket wrote:

Believe it or not, a good portion on the right also support fixing the DACA issue. That in of itself would be against the whole white nationalist movement.

No kidding. And *who* is the biggest stumbling block to a deal? Hint--it's the guy you don't "care what he says", which makes him kind of a big deal

LittleSprocket wrote:

Thank you though for proving exactly what I mean. The left and right fringes believe that anyone that goes against my beliefs is somehow evil and as such we can't be seen cooperating or negotiating with them. It is ALL about making oneself look better for the up coming election with their constituents.

All you've proven is your head is firmly planted in the sand that you can't tell that this admin has shanked things so far beyond the looney right that being a centrist looks like a fringe element to you. You can be an immigration hawk without being dumb and/or racist, but this administration is nailing the latter two out of the park.

*Yawn* all I read here was drivel about how supposedly ANYONE that goes against your point of view is a white supremacists. When you have something of value to contribute instead of playing the usual omg you're a racist because you disagree with me, please get back to me okay?