tommy1808 wrote:

jordanh wrote:

It appears he went to Singapore to say, "You see all the agreements I have backed out of, but we won't back out of this old agreement... not right away, anyway."

Let's summarize what backing out of this agreement actually means and what the agreement means.

North Korea got: SK/US exercise gone, which the US didn't want to do before.
Back out: exercise resumes, no worse off as before for Korea and spending the money again.

US got: silch.....
Denuclearization of the Korean peninsula and bringing peace to it has been NK official policy for a long, long time.

Back out: North Korea can't back out, because they didnt give anything.

Best regards
Thomas

Ken777 wrote:

He gave away joint exercises with the South and got NOTHING in return. Blind siding his own military and showing his ignorance on the importance of training for the military.

L410Turbolet wrote:

I REALLY do hate to be Trump's advocate, but weren't lefties on this forum going apeshit just a few weeks ago when there was a joint US/Korean exercise... just about the same time Un was playing with his rockets, calling it "reckless" and what not?

Planeflyer wrote:

I’ll say one thing for all the Trump critics; you know how to move the goal posts and to borrow a phrase, don’t have the education to admit you were wrong.

mham001 wrote:

those who hate the man and are willing to throw their supposed ideals under the bus in pursuit of that hatred.. People just like you.

c933103 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

c933103 wrote:

I would personally give Trump the credit of acting responsibility and not to persuade for the talk when North Korea have already openly stated that they are not going to follow a denuclearization process that would be acceptable to the United States instead of entering the talk and accept any half assed agreement that might come out of it that could give them more breathing room

So, instead of actually talking and working out differences and getting a deal that both sides agree to, one leader decided nothing was acceptable and righties are praising him and apologizing for it. How the hell does this make him the greatest peace maker ever if he can not make peace? Why should he get a peace prize when he refuses to talk except to sling insults at people who disagree with him?

I mean, I don't trust Trump would have the ability to talk North Korea into accepting something that they have openly stated they won't accept, at least he know his place instead of drowning the entire world into a talk for some deal that would end up legitimating the nuclear capability of North Korea. That's what I once thought Trump might take the step. Perhaps fortunately, he is so ignorant that he unknowingly angered North Korea for his lack of understanding on the issue and refused further direct contact for it, otherwise Trump might actually meet them and announce a "victory" that would allow them to keep their nuclear weapons as long as United States still possess any nuclear weapon

Mir wrote:

Planeflyer wrote:

I’ll say one thing for all the Trump critics; you know how to move the goal posts and to borrow a phrase, don’t have the education to admit you were wrong.

It's quite telling that Trump supporters are only managing to get by through projection.

Planeflyer wrote:

I’ll say one thing for all the Trump critics; you know how to move the goal posts and to borrow a phrase, don’t have the education to admit you were wrong.

texdravid wrote:

And it’s quite telling that leftist brigade on this site is so butthurt this morning because Trump did the impossible and conducted himself with class and grace and set the framework for de-nuclearization.

Mir wrote:

blueflyer wrote:

I will call this summit and the Trump diplomacy a great triumph as soon as international observers certify the DPRK has dismantled and shipped out or destroyed 98% of its nuclear infrastructure, and we haven't given up an ounce of support for our regional allies.

Too late. We already threw South Korea under the bus by deciding to suspend joint exercises. But at least we got something from North Korea in exchange, so...oh who the hell am I kidding, we just gave that away too.

Freakysh wrote:

Jouhou wrote:

seb146 wrote:

So tRump is telling Japan and South Korea and Philippines what to do? Since when is tRump emperor of them?

Do not question the judgement of our supreme leader. You shame your entire family in doing so.

But if Obama was doing this you wouldn't be able to keep your hand out of your panties

2122M wrote:

texdravid wrote:

And it’s quite telling that leftist brigade on this site is so butthurt this morning because Trump did the impossible and conducted himself with class and grace and set the framework for de-nuclearization.

Did you see that home movie he had made to show to Kim? Is that your definition of class and grace?

But yes, big congrats to Trump for legitimizing North Korea's path to the world stage, then inhibiting military readiness in the Asia-Pacific region in exchange for nothing whatsoever.

I look forward to your response, but please be sure to respond like you always do. Lots of hate and nicknames but no facts of substantive debate.

2122M wrote:

texdravid wrote:

And it’s quite telling that leftist brigade on this site is so butthurt this morning because Trump did the impossible and conducted himself with class and grace and set the framework for de-nuclearization.

Did you see that home movie he had made to show to Kim? Is that your definition of class and grace?

But yes, big congrats to Trump for legitimizing North Korea's path to the world stage, then inhibiting military readiness in the Asia-Pacific region in exchange for nothing whatsoever.

I look forward to your response, but please be sure to respond like you always do. Lots of hate and nicknames but no facts of substantive debate.

787Driver wrote:

2122M wrote:

texdravid wrote:

And it’s quite telling that leftist brigade on this site is so butthurt this morning because Trump did the impossible and conducted himself with class and grace and set the framework for de-nuclearization.

Did you see that home movie he had made to show to Kim? Is that your definition of class and grace?

But yes, big congrats to Trump for legitimizing North Korea's path to the world stage, then inhibiting military readiness in the Asia-Pacific region in exchange for nothing whatsoever.

I look forward to your response, but please be sure to respond like you always do. Lots of hate and nicknames but no facts of substantive debate.

2122M, in Asia, showing respect and being shown respect is very important. Maybe hosting this meeting is exactly what it took. Give it a chance and if it didn't work, well then we don't have to think "what if" anymore.

And it's not like America has never violated human rights either, now, is it?

Ken777 wrote:

Trump's ego was in full stride. Did you notice that he had to walk a full step ahead of Kim? More of the King Donald.

Trump's ignorance was also in full stride. He gave away joint exercises with the South and got NOTHING in return. Blind siding his own military and showing his ignorance on the importance of training for the military.

Now we have to wait to find out what ever else he gave away. So much for the master of negotiations.

windy95 wrote:

2122M wrote:

texdravid wrote:

And it’s quite telling that leftist brigade on this site is so butthurt this morning because Trump did the impossible and conducted himself with class and grace and set the framework for de-nuclearization.

Did you see that home movie he had made to show to Kim? Is that your definition of class and grace?

But yes, big congrats to Trump for legitimizing North Korea's path to the world stage, then inhibiting military readiness in the Asia-Pacific region in exchange for nothing whatsoever.

I look forward to your response, but please be sure to respond like you always do. Lots of hate and nicknames but no facts of substantive debate.

How is military readiness being inhibited? I thought the left would be happy with the de-escalation of rhetoric and massive military exercises?

seb146 wrote:

So, your opinion on human rights is "well, since everyone else is doing it, why should we care if we do?" And we all know this vague "agreement" will not work. Some babble and pretty words and righties demand he be given a medal. There is so much non language in this paper that anything could be considered a violation. How is that winning?

787Driver wrote:

2122M wrote:

texdravid wrote:

And it’s quite telling that leftist brigade on this site is so butthurt this morning because Trump did the impossible and conducted himself with class and grace and set the framework for de-nuclearization.

Did you see that home movie he had made to show to Kim? Is that your definition of class and grace?

But yes, big congrats to Trump for legitimizing North Korea's path to the world stage, then inhibiting military readiness in the Asia-Pacific region in exchange for nothing whatsoever.

I look forward to your response, but please be sure to respond like you always do. Lots of hate and nicknames but no facts of substantive debate.

2122M, in Asia, showing respect and being shown respect is very important. Maybe hosting this meeting is exactly what it took. Give it a chance and if it didn't work, well then we don't have to think "what if" anymore.

And it's not like America has never violated human rights either, now, is it?

windy95 wrote:

Part of negotiations sometimes is giving up something for nothing.

windy95 wrote:

And no his own military was not blind sided in this deal.

Lt. Col. Jennifer Lovett, a United States military spokeswoman in South Korea, said in an email that the American command there “has received no updated guidance on execution or cessation of training exercises — to include this fall’s schedule Ulchi Freedom Guardian.”

“We will continue with our current military posture until we receive updated guidance from the Department of Defense,” she added.

The most remarkable aspect of the joint statement was what it didn’t contain. There was nothing about North Korea freezing plutonium and uranium programs, nothing about destroying intercontinental ballistic missiles, nothing about allowing inspectors to return to nuclear sites, nothing about North Korea making a full declaration of its nuclear program, nothing about a timetable, nothing about verification, not even any clear pledge to permanently halt testing of nuclear weapons or long-range missiles.

2122M wrote:

787Driver wrote:

2122M wrote:

Did you see that home movie he had made to show to Kim? Is that your definition of class and grace?

But yes, big congrats to Trump for legitimizing North Korea's path to the world stage, then inhibiting military readiness in the Asia-Pacific region in exchange for nothing whatsoever.

I look forward to your response, but please be sure to respond like you always do. Lots of hate and nicknames but no facts of substantive debate.

2122M, in Asia, showing respect and being shown respect is very important. Maybe hosting this meeting is exactly what it took. Give it a chance and if it didn't work, well then we don't have to think "what if" anymore.

And it's not like America has never violated human rights either, now, is it?

And I wouldn't want the US rewarded for it's human rights violations either.

787Driver wrote:

2122M wrote:

787Driver wrote:

2122M, in Asia, showing respect and being shown respect is very important. Maybe hosting this meeting is exactly what it took. Give it a chance and if it didn't work, well then we don't have to think "what if" anymore.

And it's not like America has never violated human rights either, now, is it?

And I wouldn't want the US rewarded for it's human rights violations either.

Last time I checked, there were no UN sanctions imposed on the US. Is that would you mean by not wanting the US to be rewarded?

mham001 wrote:

tommy1808 wrote:

jordanh wrote:

It appears he went to Singapore to say, "You see all the agreements I have backed out of, but we won't back out of this old agreement... not right away, anyway."

Let's summarize what backing out of this agreement actually means and what the agreement means.

North Korea got: SK/US exercise gone, which the US didn't want to do before.
Back out: exercise resumes, no worse off as before for Korea and spending the money again.

US got: silch.....
Denuclearization of the Korean peninsula and bringing peace to it has been NK official policy for a long, long time.

Back out: North Korea can't back out, because they didnt give anything.

Best regards
Thomas

Destroying their missile engine test site is not insignificant. Hopefully they will cease some of their internet shenanigans as well. Even the Germans would benefit from that.

But there is cream for your soreness this morning.

Deecheck wrote:

787Driver wrote:

2122M wrote:

And I wouldn't want the US rewarded for it's human rights violations either.

Last time I checked, there were no UN sanctions imposed on the US. Is that would you mean by not wanting the US to be rewarded?

It's literally biting the hand that feeds you. When you pay the bills you get the last word.

787Driver wrote:

2122M wrote:

787Driver wrote:

2122M, in Asia, showing respect and being shown respect is very important. Maybe hosting this meeting is exactly what it took. Give it a chance and if it didn't work, well then we don't have to think "what if" anymore.

And it's not like America has never violated human rights either, now, is it?

And I wouldn't want the US rewarded for it's human rights violations either.

Last time I checked, there were no UN sanctions imposed on the US. Is that would you mean by not wanting the US to be rewarded?

2122M wrote:

787Driver wrote:

2122M wrote:

And I wouldn't want the US rewarded for it's human rights violations either.

Last time I checked, there were no UN sanctions imposed on the US. Is that would you mean by not wanting the US to be rewarded?

Do you think current US civil rights violations are equal to those of the North Korean regime? Maybe if the UN was around when the west was won or before the slavery ended they would have done something about it. I am 100% sure the US is guilty of things we should not be proud of, but until you point out our forced labor camps I'm comfortable saying that North Korea is worse and far more deserving of UN sanctions.

787Driver wrote:

2122M wrote:

787Driver wrote:

Last time I checked, there were no UN sanctions imposed on the US. Is that would you mean by not wanting the US to be rewarded?

Do you think current US civil rights violations are equal to those of the North Korean regime? Maybe if the UN was around when the west was won or before the slavery ended they would have done something about it. I am 100% sure the US is guilty of things we should not be proud of, but until you point out our forced labor camps I'm comfortable saying that North Korea is worse and far more deserving of UN sanctions.

No I don't, but that doesn't change the fact that the US also violated basic human rights previously.

salttee wrote:

windy95 wrote:

Part of negotiations sometimes is giving up something for nothing.

Huh???

windy95 wrote:

And no his own military was not blind sided in this deal.

They are obviously blindsided.

Lt. Col. Jennifer Lovett, a United States military spokeswoman in South Korea, said in an email that the American command there “has received no updated guidance on execution or cessation of training exercises — to include this fall’s schedule Ulchi Freedom Guardian.”

“We will continue with our current military posture until we receive updated guidance from the Department of Defense,” she added.

2122M wrote:

texdravid wrote:

And it’s quite telling that leftist brigade on this site is so butthurt this morning because Trump did the impossible and conducted himself with class and grace and set the framework for de-nuclearization.

Did you see that home movie he had made to show to Kim? Is that your definition of class and grace?

But yes, big congrats to Trump for legitimizing North Korea's path to the world stage, then inhibiting military readiness in the Asia-Pacific region in exchange for nothing whatsoever.

I look forward to your response, but please be sure to respond like you always do. Lots of hate and nicknames but no facts of substantive debate.

texdravid wrote:

2122M wrote:

texdravid wrote:

And it’s quite telling that leftist brigade on this site is so butthurt this morning because Trump did the impossible and conducted himself with class and grace and set the framework for de-nuclearization.

Did you see that home movie he had made to show to Kim? Is that your definition of class and grace?

But yes, big congrats to Trump for legitimizing North Korea's path to the world stage, then inhibiting military readiness in the Asia-Pacific region in exchange for nothing whatsoever.

I look forward to your response, but please be sure to respond like you always do. Lots of hate and nicknames but no facts of substantive debate.

Ha ha, yeah right dude. You liberals haven’t forgotten how you called Reagan a warmonger amd senile, GHWB a failed president and worse, GWB as Bushitler and on and on to Trumpanzee??

Please you leftists have used every single invective and nastiness imaginable to demean conservatives.

Who do you think I am? Mitt Romney or McCain who let Obozo off the hook in debates? Took Obama and Pelosi and Soris tee off without rebuttal??

Sorry to burst your bubble I will respond to democrat outrage with my own.
Tit for tat.

Trump gave away nothing. You liberals know that John Kerry and Obozo are he ones who gave cash to he mullahs and gave away the store so quit projecting Obama’s failed and excreable presidency onto Trump. Your guy failed and was a feckless tyrant and affirmative action hire and you guys know it.

bennett123 wrote:

I will applaud when I find out what has been agreed.

I understand that Congress also needs to agree.

texdravid wrote:

2122M wrote:

texdravid wrote:

And it’s quite telling that leftist brigade on this site is so butthurt this morning because Trump did the impossible and conducted himself with class and grace and set the framework for de-nuclearization.

Did you see that home movie he had made to show to Kim? Is that your definition of class and grace?

But yes, big congrats to Trump for legitimizing North Korea's path to the world stage, then inhibiting military readiness in the Asia-Pacific region in exchange for nothing whatsoever.

I look forward to your response, but please be sure to respond like you always do. Lots of hate and nicknames but no facts of substantive debate.

Ha ha, yeah right dude. You liberals haven’t forgotten how you called Reagan a warmonger amd senile, GHWB a failed president and worse, GWB as Bushitler and on and on to Trumpanzee??

Please you leftists have used every single invective and nastiness imaginable to demean conservatives.

Who do you think I am? Mitt Romney or McCain who let Obozo off the hook in debates? Took Obama and Pelosi and Soris tee off without rebuttal??

Sorry to burst your bubble I will respond to democrat outrage with my own.
Tit for tat.

Trump gave away nothing. You liberals know that John Kerry and Obozo are he ones who gave cash to he mullahs and gave away the store so quit projecting Obama’s failed and excreable presidency onto Trump. Your guy failed and was a feckless tyrant and affirmative action hire and you guys know it.

slider wrote:

It's a good piece in AT today.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... prise.html

The critics just can't come to grips with the fact that, yeah, the dude has gotten more right in the foreign policy sphere than he has wrong. As personally loathsome as he may be, the dude is doing what he said he'd do. He's gained more on the issue of North Korea than any POTUS since the Korean War. That's admirable as hell. Whether that is sustainable, who knows. But there's movement AND direction, which had been lacking.

c933103 wrote:

I mean, I don't trust Trump would have the ability to talk North Korea into accepting something that they have openly stated they won't accept, at least he know his place instead of drowning the entire world into a talk for some deal that would end up legitimating the nuclear capability of North Korea. That's what I once thought Trump might take the step. Perhaps fortunately, he is so ignorant that he unknowingly angered North Korea for his lack of understanding on the issue and refused further direct contact for it, otherwise Trump might actually meet them and announce a "victory" that would allow them to keep their nuclear weapons as long as United States still possess any nuclear weapon

windy95 wrote:

texdravid wrote:

2122M wrote:

Did you see that home movie he had made to show to Kim? Is that your definition of class and grace?

But yes, big congrats to Trump for legitimizing North Korea's path to the world stage, then inhibiting military readiness in the Asia-Pacific region in exchange for nothing whatsoever.

I look forward to your response, but please be sure to respond like you always do. Lots of hate and nicknames but no facts of substantive debate.

Ha ha, yeah right dude. You liberals haven’t forgotten how you called Reagan a warmonger amd senile, GHWB a failed president and worse, GWB as Bushitler and on and on to Trumpanzee??

Please you leftists have used every single invective and nastiness imaginable to demean conservatives.

Who do you think I am? Mitt Romney or McCain who let Obozo off the hook in debates? Took Obama and Pelosi and Soris tee off without rebuttal??

Sorry to burst your bubble I will respond to democrat outrage with my own.
Tit for tat.

Trump gave away nothing. You liberals know that John Kerry and Obozo are he ones who gave cash to he mullahs and gave away the store so quit projecting Obama’s failed and excreable presidency onto Trump. Your guy failed and was a feckless tyrant and affirmative action hire and you guys know it.

Exactly.

And "suspending" war games is not giving something away for free. Its a goodwill gesture that can be restarted or ratcheted even higher in the future if needed.

2122M wrote:

787Driver wrote:

2122M wrote:

Do you think current US civil rights violations are equal to those of the North Korean regime? Maybe if the UN was around when the west was won or before the slavery ended they would have done something about it. I am 100% sure the US is guilty of things we should not be proud of, but until you point out our forced labor camps I'm comfortable saying that North Korea is worse and far more deserving of UN sanctions.

No I don't, but that doesn't change the fact that the US also violated basic human rights previously.

Sure. What's the point you're are trying to make that pertains to this summit though?

787Driver wrote:

2122M wrote:

787Driver wrote:

No I don't, but that doesn't change the fact that the US also violated basic human rights previously.

Sure. What's the point you're are trying to make that pertains to this summit though?

My point was that you can't just dismiss the idea of meeting Kim Jong Un and try to make a positive change that way, because he's violated many UN resolutions, human rights, etc.

As I said, maybe this meeting is exactly what is needed to change things.

787Driver wrote:

2122M wrote:

787Driver wrote:

No I don't, but that doesn't change the fact that the US also violated basic human rights previously.

Sure. What's the point you're are trying to make that pertains to this summit though?

My point was that you can't just dismiss the idea of meeting Kim Jong Un and try to make a positive change that way, because he's violated many UN resolutions, human rights, etc.

As I said, maybe this meeting is exactly what is needed to change things.

texdravid wrote:

Won’t happen today or tomorrow but this bit of Trumpian diplomacy WITHOUT giving up billions of cash like Obozo gave to the wretched Mullahs has shown all these abhorrent leftists in the media, in western society that you lost and Trump is continuing to win big.

bennett123 wrote:

My recollection is that Obama released Iranian money which had been frozen.

It was not US money.

scbriml wrote:

I guess when you're spewing so much bile it makes it difficult to separate fact from fiction, but Obama didn't give up billions, it was Iran's money all along.

mham001 wrote:

Grasping at straws. The war games have been " suspended". So what? BFD. They have already been delayed and the worrld did not collapse. It makes perfect sense to a reasonable person, why on earth would anybody voluntarily consider disarming as your enemies point guns at you? Holding war games at this time is hardly going to build any trust. Really pathetic arguements, as if SK will be overrun tomorrow....

First time Kim breaks a promise, then is the time to go back to waving guns around. With the odiocy of ghese arguments, little wonder they never got together sooner.

windy95 wrote:

salttee wrote:

They are obviously blindsided.

Lt. Col. Jennifer Lovett, a United States military spokeswoman in South Korea, said in an email that the American command there “has received no updated guidance on execution or cessation of training exercises — to include this fall’s schedule Ulchi Freedom Guardian.”

“We will continue with our current military posture until we receive updated guidance from the Department of Defense,” she added.

You are quoting some Lt Col in Korea as your proof of being blind sided? LOL
When you say the military was blind sided that would mean SECDEF and the CJCS knew nothing about it. Not the troops in the field.
And yes sometimes in negotiating you give up something as an Olive branch. Suspending the exercises costs us nothing and can be restarted at any time.

787Driver wrote:

As I said, maybe this meeting is exactly what is needed to change things.