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Re: Trump and Kim Jong-un to meet in historic summit

Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:23 pm

tommy1808 wrote:

Trump probably has not realized yet that for North Korea "denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula" for Kim means: No nukes in SK, no nukes on US Navy Vessels in range, no nukes on Guam, Anderson and such for Bombers and no ICBM that can reach Korea.

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As a German, you should be more than happy for such an outcome...? Isn't this an Asian version of what the whole West Germany rioted like crazy during the 1980s?
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:32 pm

L410Turbolet, this is an English language site. You are supposed to post in coherent English here.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:48 pm

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L410Turbolet, this is an English language site. You are supposed to post in coherent English here.

English is not my native language, so apologies for offending your langugage sensitivities. BTW, how many foreign languages do YOU speak?
 
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Re: Trump and Kim Jong-un to meet in historic summit

Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:52 pm

L410Turbolet wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

Trump probably has not realized yet that for North Korea "denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula" for Kim means: No nukes in SK, no nukes on US Navy Vessels in range, no nukes on Guam, Anderson and such for Bombers and no ICBM that can reach Korea.

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As a German, you should be more than happy for such an outcome...? Isn't this an Asian version of what the whole West Germany rioted like crazy during the 1980s?


As a member to the NPT treaty Germany is of course, like the US, UK, PRC, RU and FR legally required, and committed to rid this planet of nuklear weapons. We never got them, so we have no real beef in the game, aside of complaining that those five lack the required good faith negotiations to bring that about.
But at least NK IS in record that they are committed to the cause, despite not having signed any agreement that requires them to get rid of nukes.

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Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:55 pm

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English is not my native language
Then I apologize, I thought I heard a Texas twang in your posts.
 
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Re: Trump and Kim Jong-un to meet in historic summit

Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:06 pm

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L410Turbolet, this is an English language site. You are supposed to post in coherent English here.


With the historical context it is clear what he is talking about. The German population was and is very much against nukes, and in the 80's that led to huge marches and some rioting.
Since some of the weapons stationed in Germany at the time, especially the Pershing II, can be classified as first strike weapons, that rioting was misplaced, but not necessarily illegal. Even preparing for a war of aggression on German territory is unconstitutional, and if no other help is possible, I.e. through courts, we have the constitutional right to prevent such with all means necessary. That includes murder, arsen, bomb attacks, whatever comes in handy. Basically our 2nd amendment.

When the Red Army Fraction went to trial in Stammheim, they argued along those lines, and the only way to prevent them from making their case was to deny all motions and hearing witnesses in that regard, which courts can do if such can damage international relations. If that not been so, the court very probably would have ruled that attacks on US army installations and personal where within their constitutional rights. Even if their guilt would have been found sufficient to still send them to prison, the ruling would have established that the US is waging an illegal war of aggression in South East Asia, and hence our government would have needed to prevent any use of German bases in the effort. That would have damaged international relations quite a bit I guess :)
It is a highly political issue, and the nuclear arms race encountered encountered the same opposition for the same reason.

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Re: Trump and Kim Jong-un to meet in historic summit

Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:13 pm

Saltee you have time to divert but no time to explain Obama’s record on NK. I’ll make it easy for you; strategic patience was code for we have no idea what to do so let’s kick the can down the road.

And Tommy, given the moral high ground you have staked out on nukes why are you against this negotiation?
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:40 pm

Planeflyer wrote:
Saltee you have time to divert but no time to explain Obama’s record on NK. I’ll make it easy for you; strategic patience was code for we have no idea what to do so let’s kick the can down the road.

And Tommy, given the moral high ground you have staked out on nukes why are you against this negotiation?


And "strategic patience" is exactly what was practiced under GWB and GHWB and Clinton and Reagan and Carter, so....

EDIT:

I am answering the second question for me only:

DPRK already had their nuclear testing facility destroyed. They signed a piece of paper that they had signed before and broke those promises the other times. People are praising tRump but this is the very definition of insanity: Doing the exact same thing over and over and expecting different results.
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:35 pm

Agreed, this is a case of bipartisan incompetence.

Trump is not doing the same thing. He has increased sanctions, threatened Kim personally and promised to further up sanctions all while convincing China to tighten the noose. The one time nature of this deal is also very different.

Sure it could all end up the same but I have yet see any of the critics suggest a viable option or address the lack of downside.

Tommy, you’ve been though a similar situation in the 80’s and as much you were against Reagan’s position you can’t argue w the results.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:24 pm

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Hannity is certainly no genius but then again you didn’t need much to know who Obama was way before policies such as lead from behind, Benghazi, multiple red lines, Cuba and finally Iran.

Go back to listen to any of his FP speeches in light of what happened.Nobody could make blah, blah, blah sound so eloquent.

Obama was our first Europeon President and so it followed that the world became far more dangerous.


Bush made the world more dangerous by invading Iraq. Single handedly.
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:08 pm

Planeflyer wrote:
Agreed, this is a case of bipartisan incompetence.

Trump is not doing the same thing. He has increased sanctions, threatened Kim personally and promised to further up sanctions all while convincing China to tighten the noose. The one time nature of this deal is also very different.

Sure it could all end up the same but I have yet see any of the critics suggest a viable option or address the lack of downside.

Tommy, you’ve been though a similar situation in the 80’s and as much you were against Reagan’s position you can’t argue w the results.


Didn't GWB convince China to "tighten the noose" also?

But, you are right on one thing: TRump is NOT doing the same thing. No other American president has insulted other world leaders so childishly.
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Re: Trump and Kim Jong-un to meet in historic summit

Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:47 pm

Planeflyer wrote:
Saltee you have time to divert but no time to explain Obama’s record on NK. I’ll make it easy for you; strategic patience was code for we have no idea what to do so let’s kick the can down the road.
Obama knew that the only way to get NK to give up its nukes and ICBM program was to use military force; so as you say, he kicked the can down the road because there was (and is) no urgency to the situation. Kim isn't likely to engage in suicide by attacking anyone, including the United States.

What he didn't do was to pump up the credibility of Kim's regime by publicly kissing up to Kim and his generals. He also did nothing to hamstring further negotiations with NK as Trump has just done.
 
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Re: Trump and Kim Jong-un to meet in historic summit

Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:12 pm

salttee wrote:
Planeflyer wrote:
Saltee you have time to divert but no time to explain Obama’s record on NK. I’ll make it easy for you; strategic patience was code for we have no idea what to do so let’s kick the can down the road.
Obama knew that the only way to get NK to give up its nukes and ICBM program was to use military force; so as you say, he kicked the can down the road because there was (and is) no urgency to the situation. Kim isn't likely to engage in suicide by attacking anyone, including the United States.

What he didn't do was to pump up the credibility of Kim's regime by publicly kissing up to Kim and his generals. He also did nothing to hamstring further negotiations with NK as Trump has just done.


:checkmark: So the real losers in this publicity game are the North Korean citizens, this move will probably extend the regime, but who knows.
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Re: Trump and Kim Jong-un to meet in historic summit

Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:17 am

I guess I’ll just agree to disagree. The positive aspect to action is there will not be a doubt.
 
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Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:07 am

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And Tommy, given the moral high ground you have staked out on nukes why are you against this negotiation?


I am not against good faith negotiation, but those where none from either side. I also see no legal reason NK has to give up nukes, I am on record that I support a complete ban on nuclear weapons, but that includes all accepted or suspected nuklear powers. As long the US, RU, UK, CN, FR, IN, IL and PK don't put all their nukes on the same negotiation table, with the same time line and verification, as they are trying to force on other nations without legal standing, good faith is absent.

I rather life in a world where the rule of law dominates and everybody has nukes than a world free of nukes, but no rule of law between nations. What we have now is worse than either.
The NK negotiations are just more of what is wrong with mankind. Remember the US is member to a treaty that affirms North Korea's right to nukes.

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Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:32 am

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Tommy, you’ve been though a similar situation in the 80’s and as much you were against Reagan’s position you can’t argue w the results.


I can and I did. Reagan was insane, almost got us killed more than once and had no effect on the collapse of the USSR. However, with his deficit spending he may have started the collapse of the USA. Everyone was surprised by that collapse, especially the US government and its agencies, so claiming Reagan achieved that with any kind of plan or formulated strategy is just an attempt in rewriting history. He just happened to be in the White House when the USSR collapsed, just like Rudi Guliani just happend to be Major of New York during 9/11. If Reagan is responsible for the "result" in that case, Guliani made 9/11 happen.

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Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:25 pm

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Planeflyer wrote:
Tommy, you’ve been though a similar situation in the 80’s and as much you were against Reagan’s position you can’t argue w the results.


I can and I did. Reagan was insane, almost got us killed more than once and had no effect on the collapse of the USSR. However, with his deficit spending he may have started the collapse of the USA. Everyone was surprised by that collapse, especially the US government and its agencies, so claiming Reagan achieved that with any kind of plan or formulated strategy is just an attempt in rewriting history. He just happened to be in the White House when the USSR collapsed, just like Rudi Guliani just happend to be Major of New York during 9/11. If Reagan is responsible for the "result" in that case, Guliani made 9/11 happen.

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Have you read one book on the subject or looked at archives released after the ussr fell?
 
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Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:31 am

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Agreed, this is a case of bipartisan incompetence.

Trump is not doing the same thing. He has increased sanctions, threatened Kim personally and promised to further up sanctions all while convincing China to tighten the noose. The one time nature of this deal is also very different.

Sure it could all end up the same but I have yet see any of the critics suggest a viable option or address the lack of downside.

Tommy, you’ve been though a similar situation in the 80’s and as much you were against Reagan’s position you can’t argue w the results.

Sanctions? Who on earth still dreaming it's all caused by sanctions? And China? Do you think you can influence how a regional power treat its ally if not for the fact that the country already changed the altitude?
 
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Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:16 am

c933103 wrote:
Planeflyer wrote:
Agreed, this is a case of bipartisan incompetence.

Trump is not doing the same thing. He has increased sanctions, threatened Kim personally and promised to further up sanctions all while convincing China to tighten the noose. The one time nature of this deal is also very different.

Sure it could all end up the same but I have yet see any of the critics suggest a viable option or address the lack of downside.

Tommy, you’ve been though a similar situation in the 80’s and as much you were against Reagan’s position you can’t argue w the results.

Sanctions? Who on earth still dreaming it's all caused by sanctions? And China? Do you think you can influence how a regional power treat its ally if not for the fact that the country already changed the altitude?


Increased sanctions are just one element to what is going on.
 
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Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:23 am

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Planeflyer wrote:
Tommy, you’ve been though a similar situation in the 80’s and as much you were against Reagan’s position you can’t argue w the results.

Sanctions? Who on earth still dreaming it's all caused by sanctions? And China? Do you think you can influence how a regional power treat its ally if not for the fact that the country already changed the altitude?


Unfortunately, a lot of people in the US look through all of contemporary history with a US as if the US were a sheriff and if we were only 'tough' the 'bad guys' would back down. Obviously the US is the most powerful nation so can throw its weight around, but any and every country has its own domestic calculation. Also a big event like the fall of the Soviet Union rarely has one neat cause. If you were to really assess what led to the downfall of the Soviet union you'd have to say Old people + Afghanistan + oil glut+ Chernobyl + US military build up + Matthias Rust.

Old people = Brezhnev, then Andropov, then Chernenko, all old tired senile coots. Until Gorbachov there was little dynamism in the leadership. Reagan once supposedly quipped, 'How can I get anywhere with the Russians if they keep dying on me?' which even a lib like me has to admit is pretty funny. They didn't call him the great communicator for nothing.

Afghanistan: Qagmire, Soviet Union's Vietnam. Led to disconent disillusionment with the Soviet regime and since a lot of conscripts were from the 'stans (then part of the Soviet Union), instead of exporting socialism to their co-religionists in Afghanistan, Afghanistan exported radicalism to the 'stans, as well as a lot of soldiers addicted to opium. But the US and Saudi were on the same page about kicking the Soviets out of Afghanistan and one way to do it was...

oil glut = Remember how wonderfully cheap oil was in the 80s? You wonder why? Saudi and their gulf allies deliberately forfieited their fourth gold plated 747 in order to wreck the Soviet economy which was heavily dependent on oil exports (as it is now). Cheap oil screwed Soviet Union. The fact that it screwed a lot of countries from Venezuela to Nigeria to Iraq was collateral damage.

Chernobyl = Do I really have to get into it? That was a disaster of such proportions that even an unfree society like the Soviet Union couldn't sweep it uner the rug. They almost evacuated Kiev! That would be like a disaster forcing the evacuation of Chicago in the US. Coupled with Afghanistan and it gave a lot of cover for Gorbachov to end the rot that was permeating the Soviet Union. He finally got enough power to begin tentative moves to glastnost and perestroika. There was no getting around the fact that the Soviet Union needed change. one reason was to counter....

US military build up = OK here you might "credit" Reagan, but again, it is tangential. Especially after Chernobyl Gorbachov was able to basically say, "You see, USA gonna kick our ass unless we do something!" It wasn't that Reagan was tough rather that the Soviet Union finally realized it had to open up if it was to compete. But still the military was steadfast against reform until...

Matthias Rust = All A.netters should know who he is but for those who don't he basically flew a Cessna from Finland and landed on Red Square and the Soviet Union's defenses didn't do squat. How the eff did that happen? Incompetence which allowed Gorbachov to *finally* sack the old guard of the military so he could reform. I actually think there could have been the Soviet version of LIHOP, as in the young guard in the military Let It Happen On Purpose to give a reason to oust their old fart bosses.

Gorbachov thought he could ride the reform while keeping the Soviet Union and socialism intact but the reform rode him and the Soviet Union collapsed.

Relevance of this history lesson to NK? Well, NK meaning Kim Jong Un has his own internal calculation and nukes is one element of it. After seeing what happened to Gaddhafi after he gave up nukes Kim ain't giving them up too easily. He'll extract maximum concessions from the US,and he's already won because meeting with Trump, getting Trump to parrot the NK line about the provocative war games with SK gives NK a stronger hand. Pretty amazingly stupid for a supposed dealmaker like Trump.
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Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:03 pm

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Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:22 pm

Planeflyer wrote:
c933103 wrote:
Planeflyer wrote:
Agreed, this is a case of bipartisan incompetence.

Trump is not doing the same thing. He has increased sanctions, threatened Kim personally and promised to further up sanctions all while convincing China to tighten the noose. The one time nature of this deal is also very different.

Sure it could all end up the same but I have yet see any of the critics suggest a viable option or address the lack of downside.

Tommy, you’ve been though a similar situation in the 80’s and as much you were against Reagan’s position you can’t argue w the results.

Sanctions? Who on earth still dreaming it's all caused by sanctions? And China? Do you think you can influence how a regional power treat its ally if not for the fact that the country already changed the altitude?


Increased sanctions are just one element to what is going on.

So you still think increased sanction have any actual effect on the situation?
 
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Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:10 pm

If I were in Un's shoes, I can't really see any reason to give up nukes, that big argument against getting invaded any time soon.

Promises and guarantees by the United States aren't worth the paper they are written on.
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Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:47 am

Un goes to sleep every night wondering if he’ll wake up in the morning. Nukes don’t make him sleep any easier.
 
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Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:47 am

Un goes to sleep every night wondering if he’ll wake up in the morning. Nukes don’t make him sleep any easier.
 
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Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:03 am

He will be worried a lot more about a spy from China, than about the whole US armed forces.
 
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Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:53 am

Source: http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... -threat-to

The White House in an announcement on Friday said North Korea remains an “unusual and extraordinary threat” to the United States.

“The existence and risk of proliferation of weapons-usable fissile material on the Korean Peninsula and the actions and policies of the Government of North Korea continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States,” the notice read.

“Just landed — a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea,” Trump wrote on Twitter June 13.
 
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Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:56 am

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Source: http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... -threat-to

The White House in an announcement on Friday said North Korea remains an “unusual and extraordinary threat” to the United States.

“The existence and risk of proliferation of weapons-usable fissile material on the Korean Peninsula and the actions and policies of the Government of North Korea continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States,” the notice read.

“Just landed — a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea,” Trump wrote on Twitter June 13.


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Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:47 pm

Orange Man like opportunistic photo op and grabby headline... Orange Man no effing clue what come out of mouth.

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Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:07 am

Satellite images show North Korea upgrading nuclear facility

Washington (CNN)New satellite images show North Korea has made rapid improvements to the infrastructure at its Yongbyon Nuclear Scientific Research Center -- a facility used to produce weapons-grade fissile material, according to an analysis published by 38 North, a prominent North Korea monitoring group.

Captured on June 21, the photos reveal modifications to the site's plutonium production reactor and the construction of several support facilities -- long-planned upgrades that were already underway before North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and US President Donald Trump met in Singapore earlier this month.


https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/27/poli ... index.html

So did Trump do his usual rant yet? I would like to collect my winnings.
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Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:53 am

Has the agreement been made public yet, so we can all see the great deal.
 
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Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:34 am

I think it has, and it has the useless dribble on it without any commitment.
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Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:08 am

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Satellite images show North Korea upgrading nuclear facility

Washington (CNN)New satellite images show North Korea has made rapid improvements to the infrastructure at its Yongbyon Nuclear Scientific Research Center -- a facility used to produce weapons-grade fissile material, according to an analysis published by 38 North, a prominent North Korea monitoring group.

Captured on June 21, the photos reveal modifications to the site's plutonium production reactor and the construction of several support facilities -- long-planned upgrades that were already underway before North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and US President Donald Trump met in Singapore earlier this month.


https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/27/poli ... index.html

So did Trump do his usual rant yet? I would like to collect my winnings.


SMH is also reporting on this too:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/satel ... 4zode.html

So much for the summit. Time to ramp up the pressure on NK again.
 
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Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:12 am

cpd wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Satellite images show North Korea upgrading nuclear facility

Washington (CNN)New satellite images show North Korea has made rapid improvements to the infrastructure at its Yongbyon Nuclear Scientific Research Center -- a facility used to produce weapons-grade fissile material, according to an analysis published by 38 North, a prominent North Korea monitoring group.

Captured on June 21, the photos reveal modifications to the site's plutonium production reactor and the construction of several support facilities -- long-planned upgrades that were already underway before North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and US President Donald Trump met in Singapore earlier this month.


https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/27/poli ... index.html

So did Trump do his usual rant yet? I would like to collect my winnings.


SMH is also reporting on this too:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/satel ... 4zode.html

So much for the summit. Time to ramp up the pressure on NK again.



I am counting on Trump on this one, than I won my bet sooner then expected. For worlds events this was bogus anyway.
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Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:12 am

I appear to have been vindicated in my hawkish attitude before. Should have continued the escalating military pressure.

NK is playing the same trick as before and Trump is the latest in a long line of people swindled by NK's untrustworthy leadership.

They say nice things but do the opposite when people aren't watching.
 
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Re: Trump and Kim Jong-un to meet in historic summit

Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:22 am

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They say nice things but do the opposite when people aren't watching.


That is simply not true, NK is doing pretty much what they said they would. They did in no way indicate they would stop investing in nuclear production capabilities nor stop producing new weapons as far as I am aware.
Some people where just too busy making a win out of basically two signatures on NKs negotiating position.

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Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:11 pm

Best! Negotiator! Ever!

North Korea has increased nuclear production at secret sites, say U.S. officials
"Work is ongoing to deceive us on the number of facilities, the number of weapons, the number of missiles," said one U.S. official.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-kore ... -u-n887926

I guess all predictions Trump wouldn't get anything where smack on the money.

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Re: Trump and Kim Jong-un to meet in historic summit

Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:30 pm

Did Trump feel betrayed yet? Or is he not allowed by his master?

Friends are treated like shit and enemies are treated like royalty. This is a clear violation of the intent of the meeting and is a clear slap in the face of Trump and not a word.
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Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:41 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Did Trump feel betrayed yet? Or is he not allowed by his master? .


Nah, he is probably just going to make up success, just like he made up returning fallen war heros...

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Re: Trump and Kim Jong-un to meet in historic summit

Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:44 pm

So much better deal than the Iran deal, where neutral observers confirmed the success. #winning
 
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Re: Trump and Kim Jong-un to meet in historic summit

Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:14 am

Nobel Peace Prize for the Trumpster? :rotfl:
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Re: Trump and Kim Jong-un to meet in historic summit

Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:01 pm

Anyone here in Norway? If so, can you swing by the Nobel Committee and ask them to put a hold on that Peace Prize for a sec?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/11/politics ... index.html
 
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Re: Trump and Kim Jong-un to meet in historic summit

Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:45 pm

Looks like North Korea is still North Korea.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/12/politics ... index.html
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Re: Trump and Kim Jong-un to meet in historic summit

Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:24 pm

casinterest wrote:
Looks like North Korea is still North Korea.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/12/politics ... index.html


Did anyone (apart from Trump) really think they'd change?

Trump was played like a cheap violin.
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Re: Trump and Kim Jong-un to meet in historic summit

Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:29 pm

scbriml wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Looks like North Korea is still North Korea.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/12/politics ... index.html


Did anyone (apart from Trump) really think they'd change?

Trump was played like a cheap violin.
:rotfl:


Did Trump insult Kim yet?
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Re: Trump and Kim Jong-un to meet in historic summit

Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:29 pm

scbriml wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Looks like North Korea is still North Korea.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/12/politics ... index.html


Did anyone (apart from Trump) really think they'd change?

Trump was played like a cheap violin.
:rotfl:


That's an insult to cheap violins. He was played like a plastic kazoo.

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