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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:48 pm

Scorpius wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
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Thomas

As many words in justification of the cannibal policy and lies of the West.


Proof of your statement....
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:53 pm

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In the remaining 211 countries of the world did not even raise the issue of the expulsion of Russian diplomats.


ah.. considering that there are only 195 countries, you even make up complete countries to defend your beloved murderer as your fake witnesses.

Every single country that was presented with some or all evidence has expelled diplomats for something that happened in a different country. That is so rare that it pretty much never happened.

That is how overwhelming the evidence is.

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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:12 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
Scorpius wrote:
In the remaining 211 countries of the world did not even raise the issue of the expulsion of Russian diplomats.


ah.. considering that there are only 195 countries, you even make up complete countries to defend your beloved murderer as your fake witnesses.

Every single country that was presented with some or all evidence has expelled diplomats for something that happened in a different country. That is so rare that it pretty much never happened.

That is how overwhelming the evidence is.

best regards
Thomas

Below is an alphabetical list of countries, including:
195 sovereign States (see Also list of States):
193 member States of the UN;
2 observers:
Holy See (entity in the status of persona sui generis, which owns its own subsidiary sovereign territory of the Vatican);
State of Palestine (the formation of a state is envisaged in the West Bank and Gaza Strip);
States with uncertain status (10):
6 States that are not members of the UN, but are officially recognized by one or some UN member States (Unrecognized and partially recognized States):
The Republic Of Abkhazia;
roc;
Republic of Kosovo;
The Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic;
The Turkish Republic Of Northern Cyprus;
The Republic Of South Ossetia;
4 States that are not members of the UN, not recognized by any UN member state, but recognized by some partially recognized States:
Donetsk People's Republic;
Luhansk People's Republic;
The Nagorno-Karabakh Republic;
dniester moldavian republic[;
Of ownership (having a permanent, indigenous people and private citizenship) (46):
3 territories with special status as stipulated in international agreements:
Åland Islands (Finland);
Hong Kong (Hong Kong) (People's Republic Of China);
Macau (Macao) (People's Republic Of China));
35 dependent territories with a permanent population:
3 external territories of Australia are: Cocos (Keeling) Islands, Norfolk island and Christmas island;
3 crown lands of great Britain: Guernsey, Jersey and Isle of man;
10 British overseas territories: Anguilla, Bermuda (Bermuda), British virgin Islands, Gibraltar, Cayman Islands, Montserrat, Pitcairn Islands, Saint Helena, ascension and Tristan da Cunha, Turks and Caicos Islands, Falkland Islands (Malvinas) ;
2 territories (Autonomous regions) of Denmark: Greenland and the Faroe Islands;
3 overseas (Autonomous) area of the Netherlands: Aruba, curaçao and Sint Maarten;
2 self-governing state entities in free Association with New Zealand: cook Islands and Niue (Savage);
1 new Zealand dependent territory: Tokelau;
5 overseas possessions (non-aligned territories) USA: U.S. virgin Islands, American Samoa, GUAM, Puerto Rico and The Northern Mariana Islands;
5 French overseas communities: Saint Barthelemy, Saint Martin, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Wallis and Futuna and French Polynesia;
1 overseas special administrative territorial unit with special status of France: New Caledonia;
8 overseas territories considered to be an integral part of the respective States, but sometimes belong to the category of individual possessions (for example, in the all-Russian classifier of the countries of the WORLD):
3 special (overseas) community in the Netherlands: Bonaire, Saba and Sint Eustatius;
5 overseas departments and regions of France: Guadeloupe, Mayotte, Martinique, reunion and French Guiana.
This list does not include:
20 dependent territories with no permanent population:
9 United States minor outlying Islands: Baker island, Jarvis island, Johnston Atoll, Kingman reef, midway Atoll, Navassa island, Palmyra Atoll, Wake island, Howland island (sometimes two additional territories are listed-Bajo Nuevo and Serranilla banks);
3 British overseas territories: Akrotiri and Dhekelia, British Indian ocean territory, South Georgia and South sandwich Islands;
Australia has 3 outer areas: Ashmore and Cartier Islands, Coral sea Islands, heard Island and McDonald Islands;
3 Norwegian dependent territories: Bouvet Island, Svalbard, Jan Mayen;
2 overseas special administrative-territorial unit with the special status of France: Clipperton Island and the French Southern and Antarctic lands.
Other territories not officially recognized by States or States ' possessions:
6 overseas territories considered an integral part of the respective States, but geographically far removed from the main part of the state (in particular, belonging to another part of the world):
overseas state of the USA: Hawaii;
3 Spanish territories in Africa: the Canary Islands; the Autonomous cities of Ceuta and Melilla, as well as other small Islands belonging to the so-called Sovereign territories of Spain-Spanish territories in continental North Africa on the southern coast of the Mediterranean sea, on the border with Morocco;
2 Autonomous regions of Portugal, Azores and Madeira;
2 island groups contested by several countries: the spratlys and the Paracel Islands;
The neutral territory of Antarctica, the status of which is determined by the Antarctic Treaty, in part of the territory there are 8 territorial claims of seven States Argentine Antarctica (Argentina), Australian Antarctic territory (Australia), Chilean Antarctic (Chile), Adeli Land (France), British Antarctic territory (UK), Ross Territory (New Zealand), land of Queen Maud and Peter the First Island (Norway);
The order of Malta is a state — like entity with a special status. Has observer status at the UN. It has diplomatic relations with 104 States. Sometimes regarded as a dwarf state;
Azad Kashmir is a special territory under Pakistan's control. De facto part of Pakistan, officially recognized by Pakistan as a self-governing state;
Somaliland is a territory in the Northern part of the African Peninsula of Somalia, which is virtually uncontrolled by the Central government, but not recognized by any UN member state or partially recognized by the States;
Territories not controlled by the Central government (e.g. Iraqi Kurdistan in Iraq, WA and Shan in Myanmar, Pakistan's Waziristan, Adaland, Azania, Galmudug, Puntland and Khatumo in Somalia, Khalistan in India);
The virtual state. For example:
principality of Seborga. According to the Seborga authorities, their territory is not legally part of Italy. The conflict between Seborga and Italy is only declaratory, judicial or violent clashes between the parties was not;
Silend-a self-governing territory declared sovereign in neutral waters, currently considered to be located in the sovereign waters of the United Kingdom, but for which the United Kingdom does not claim. According to some sources, silend meets all the criteria of statehood specified in the Montevideo Convention on the rights and duties of States, and is an unrecognized state[20][21][22][23][24];
The Kingdom Of Tavolara;
Molossia;
Military and naval bases located on the territory of other States.
Country names are given on the basis of the all-Russian classifier of the countries of the world (OKSM).


FULL LIST:
Abkhazia — Republic of Abkhazia: state recognized by the five countries members of the United Nations (Russian Federation, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Nauru and Vanuatu), the partially recognized South Ossetia and three unrecognized States: Nagorno Karabakh, Transnistria and DNR; according to the Constitution of Georgia, part of Georgia
Australia — Commonwealth Of Australia
Austria — Republic Of Austria
Azad Kashmir-Azad Jammu and Kashmir-partially recognized state (recognized only by Pakistan); formally Azad Kashmir is not separated from the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir, according to the Constitution of India, is a part of India
Azerbaijan — Republic Of Azerbaijan
Aland Islands — an Autonomous territory of Finland
Albania — Republic Of Albania
Algeria — People's Democratic Republic Of Algeria
Anguilla-British overseas territory
Angola - Republic Of Angola
Andorra-Principality Of Andorra
Antigua and Barbuda
Argentina — Argentine Republic
Armenia — Republic Of Armenia
Aruba is a self-governing state with considerable autonomy within the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Before 1986: the Netherlands Antilles
Afghanistan-Islamic Republic Of Afghanistan
The Bahamas Is A Commonwealth Of The Bahamas. Alternative name: Bahamas
Bangladesh - People's Republic Of Bangladesh
Barbados
Bahrain — Kingdom Of Bahrain
Belize
Belarus — Republic Of Belarus
Belgium-Kingdom Of Belgium
Benin - Republic Of Benin
Bermuda is an overseas territory of the UK. Alternative name: Bermuda
Bulgaria — Republic Of Bulgaria
Bolivia-Plurinational State Of Bolivia
Bonaire is a special community within the Caribbean Netherlands. Until 2010: Netherlands Antilles
Bosnia and Herzegovina (BiH) — Bosnia and Herzegovina: consists of two self-governing entities-Republika Srpska and Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina
Botswana-Republic Of Botswana
Brazil-Federative Republic Of Brazil
Brunei — State Of Brunei Darussalam
Burkina Faso. Until 1984 the Republic of Upper Volta
Burundi - Republic Of Burundi
Bhutan-Kingdom Of Bhutan
Vanuatu - Republic Of Vanuatu
Vatican city-State-Vatican city
UK — United Kingdom of great Britain and Northern Ireland
Hungary
Venezuela — Bolivarian Republic Of Venezuela
Virgin Islands (USA) — U.S. virgin Islands: overseas ownership (non-aligned territory) of the United States. Alternative name: virgin Islands (Us)
Virgin Islands (United Kingdom) — British virgin Islands: British overseas territory. Alternative name: virgin Islands (British)
East Timor-Democratic Republic Of East Timor
Vietnam-Socialist Republic Of Vietnam
Gabon-Gabonese Republic
Haiti - Republic Of Haiti
Guyana-Cooperative Republic Of Guyana
The Gambia — Republic Of The Gambia
Ghana - Republic Of Ghana
Guadeloupe is an overseas region of France
Guatemala - Republic Of Guatemala
Guiana — French Guiana: an overseas region of France
Guinea — Republic Of Guinea
Guinea-Bissau-Republic Of Guinea-Bissau
Germany-Federal Republic Of Germany
Guernsey-the crown land of great Britain
Gibraltar-British overseas territory
Honduras - Republic Of Honduras
Hong Kong (Hong Kong) — Hong Kong Special administrative region of the people's Republic of China: territory administered by China on the basis of a special international agreement
Grenada
Greenland is a dependent territory (an Autonomous region), Denmark
Greece — Greek Republic
Georgia
GUAM is an overseas possession (an unincorporated territory), USA
Denmark-Kingdom Of Denmark
Jersey-crown land of great Britain
Djibouti - Republic Of Djibouti
Dominica-Commonwealth Of Dominica
Dominican Republic
DPR-Donetsk people's Republic: a state recognized partly by South Ossetia and unrecognized Luhansk people's Republic; according to the Constitution of Ukraine, it is part of the Donetsk region
Egypt-Arab Republic Of Egypt
Zambia — Republic Of Zambia
Zimbabwe - Republic Of Zimbabwe
Israel - The State Of Israel
India - Republic Of India
Indonesia - Republic Of Indonesia
Jordan-Hashemite Kingdom Of Jordan
Iraq - Republic Of Iraq
Iran-Islamic Republic Of Iran
Ireland
Iceland
Spain-Kingdom Of Spain
Italy — Italian Republic
Yemen — Republic Of Yemen
Guinea-Bissau — Republic Of Guinea-Bissau. Before 1986: the Republic of Cape Verde
Kazakhstan - Republic Of Kazakhstan
Cayman Islands-British overseas territory. Alternative name: Cayman Islands
Cambodia-Kingdom Of Cambodia. Until 1989: Kampuchea
Cameroon - Republic Of Cameroon
Canada
Qatar — State Of Qatar
Kenya - Republic Of Kenya
Cyprus - Republic Of Cyprus
Northern Cyprus-partially recognized state (recognized only by Turkey) ; under the Constitution of Cyprus, part of Cyprus
Kyrgyzstan — Kyrgyz Republic or Kyrgyzstan-Kyrgyz Republic[25]
Kiribati-Republic Of Kiribati
People's Republic of China, is not recognized by 20 States members of the United Nations[26]
According to the Constitution of the PRC, the Republic of China is a province of the PRC, recognized by 20[26] States as the legitimate government of all China and until October 25, 1971 represented China in the UN, includes Taiwan
Cocos Islands-Territory of Cocos (Keeling) Islands: external territory of Australia
Colombia-Republic Of Colombia
Comoros-Union Of Comoros. Alternative name: Komory
Democratic Republic Of The Congo. Until 1997: Zaire. Alternative name: DRC and Congo (Kinshasa)
Republic of Congo. Alternative name: Congo (Brazzaville)
Democratic People's Republic Of Korea. Alternative name: North Korea
republic of korea. Alternative name: South Korea
The Republic of Kosovo is a partially recognized state under the UN protectorate and passing under the EU protectorate, which, according to the Constitution of Serbia, is an Autonomous province of Kosovo and Metohija within Serbia
Costa Rica — Republic Of Costa Rica
Côte d'ivoire-Republic of côte d'ivoire. Until 1986: Ivory Coast
Cuba - Republic Of Cuba
Kuwait - State Of Kuwait
Cook Islands-self-governing public education in free Association with New Zealand
Curaçao is a self-governing state with considerable autonomy within the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Until 2010: Netherlands Antilles
Laos — Lao People's Democratic Republic
Latvia — Republic Of Latvia
Lesotho-Kingdom Of Lesotho
Liberia - Republic Of Liberia
Lebanon-Lebanese Republic
Libya - The State Of Libya
Lithuania-Republic Of Lithuania
Liechtenstein-Principality Of Liechtenstein
LNR-Luhansk people's Republic: the state recognized partially recognized by South Ossetia and unrecognized Donetsk people's Republic; according to the Constitution of Ukraine, is its part as part of the Luhansk region
Luxembourg - Grand Duchy Of Luxembourg
Mauritius - Republic Of Mauritius
Mauritania-Islamic Republic Of Mauritania
Madagascar - Republic Of Madagascar
Mayotte is an overseas region of France
Macao (Macao) — special administrative region of the people's Republic of China: territory administered by China on the basis of a special international agreement
Macedonia-Republic Of Macedonia. Alternative name: the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
Malawi - Republic Of Malawi
Malaysia
Mali - Republic Of Mali
The Maldives — Republic Of Maldives
Malta - Republic Of Malta
Morocco-Kingdom Of Morocco
Martinique is an overseas region of France
Marshall Islands-Republic Of The Marshall Islands
Mexico To The United Mexican States
Micronesia-Federated States Of Micronesia
Mozambique - Republic Of Mozambique
Moldova — Republic Of Moldova
Monaco-Principality Of Monaco
Mongolia
Montserrat-British overseas territory
Myanmar - Union Myanmar. Until 1989: Burma
Isle of man: the crown land of great Britain
NKR is recognized partly as Abkhazia, South Ossetia and unrecognized PMR; according to the Constitution of the Republic of Azerbaijan, it is a part of Azerbaijan
Namibia - Republic Of Namibia
Nauru - Republic Of Nauru
Nepal-Federal Democratic Republic Of Nepal
Niger - Republic Of Niger
Nigeria-Federal Republic Of Nigeria
Netherlands-Kingdom Of The Netherlands
Nicaragua - Republic Of Nicaragua
Niue-self-governing public education in free Association with New Zealand
new Zealand
New Caledonia is an overseas administrative-territorial entity with special status of France
Norway-Kingdom Of Norway
Norfolk island is an external territory of Australia
United Arab Emirates
Oman-Sultanate Of Oman
Pakistan-Islamic Republic Of Pakistan
Palau-Republic Of Palau. Alternative name: Belau
The state of Palestine, a territory partially occupied by Israel, including Gaza and the West Bank of the Jordan river
Panama - Republic Of Panama
Papua New Guinea - Independent State Of Papua New Guinea
Paraguay-Republic Of Paraguay
Peru - Republic Of Peru
Pitcairn Islands is an overseas territory of the UK
French Polynesia is an overseas community of France
Poland - Republic Of Poland
Portugal-Portuguese Republic
PMR-Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic, recognized partially recognized by Abkhazia, South Ossetia and the unrecognized NKR; according to the Constitution of Moldova, is part of it. Alternative name: Transnistria
Puerto Rico-Commonwealth of Puerto Rico: overseas ownership (non-aligned territory) United States
Reunion is an overseas region of France
Christmas island is an external territory of Australia
Russia-Russian Federation
Rwanda-Republic Of Rwanda
Romania
Saba is a special community within the Caribbean Netherlands. Until 2010: Netherlands Antilles
El Salvador — Republic Of El Salvador
Samoa Is An Independent State Of Samoa. Until 1997, Western Samoa
American Samoa is an overseas possession (an unincorporated territory), USA. Alternative name: Eastern Samoa
San Marino-Republic Of San Marino
Sao Tome and Principe — Democratic Republic of Sao Tome and Principe
Saudi Arabia — Kingdom Of Saudi Arabia
The Saharawi Arab Democratic Republic — the majority of the area occupied by and integrated in Morocco. Alternative name: Western Sahara
Swaziland-Kingdom Of Swaziland
Saint Helena, ascension and Tristan da Cunha Islands — overseas territory of the UK
Northern Mariana Islands-Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands (USA): overseas ownership (non-aligned territory)
Seychelles-Republic Of Seychelles. Alternative name: Seychelles
Senegal - Republic Of Senegal
Saint barthélemy is an overseas community of France
Saint Martin is an overseas community of France
Saint Pierre and Miquelon is an overseas community of France
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Saint Kitts and Nevis-Federation of Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Serbia — Republic Of Serbia
Singapore - Republic Of Singapore
Sint Maarten is a self-governing state with considerable autonomy within the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Until 2010: Netherlands Antilles
Sint Eustatius is a special community within the Caribbean Netherlands. Until 2010: Netherlands Antilles
Syria-Syrian Arab Republic
Slovakia — Slovak Republic
Slovenia - Republic Of Slovenia
United States of America
Solomon islands. Alternative name: Solomon
Somalia-the Federal Republic of Somalia, formerly the Somali Democratic Republic: divided into several warring factions and de facto independent Somaliland in the North
Sudan - Republic Of Sudan
Suriname - Republic Of Suriname
Sierra Leone - Republic Of Sierra Leone
Tajikistan — Republic Of Tajikistan
Thailand-Kingdom Of Thailand
Tanzania — United Republic Of Tanzania
Turks and Caicos Islands-Turks and Caicos Islands: British overseas territory
Togo-Togolese Republic
Tokelau-formerly Tokelau (Union): new Zealand dependent territory
Tonga-Kingdom Of Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago — Republic of Trinidad and Tobago
Tuvalu
Tunisia — Republic Of Tunisia
Turkmenia
Turkey-Turkish Republic
Uganda-Republic Of Uganda
Uzbekistan — Republic Of Uzbekistan
Ukraine
Wallis and Futuna-Wallis and Futuna Territory: French overseas community
Uruguay-Eastern Republic Of Uruguay
The Faroe Islands is a dependent territory (an Autonomous region), Denmark. Alternative name: Faroe Islands
Fiji - Republic Of Fiji
Philippines — Republic Of The Philippines
Finland — Republic Of Finland
Falkland Islands — overseas territory of the UK, claimed by Argentina. Alternative title: the Falklands
France — French Republic
Croatia — Republic Of Croatia
Central African Republic — Central African REPUBLIC
Chad - Republic Of Chad
Montenegro
Czech Republic — Czech Republic
Chile - Republic Of Chile
Switzerland-Swiss Confederation
Sweden-Kingdom Of Sweden
Sri Lanka-Democratic Socialist Republic Of Sri Lanka
Ecuador — Republic Of Ecuador
Equatorial Guinea — Republic Of Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea - State Of Eritrea
Estonia — Republic Of Estonia
Ethiopia-Federal Democratic Republic Of Ethiopia
South Ossetia is a state recognized by four UN member States: the Russian Federation, Nicaragua, Venezuela and Nauru, two partially recognized States: Abkhazia and SADR, as well as four unrecognized States: NKR, PMR, DPR and LPR; according to the Constitution of Georgia, it is a part of Georgia
south africa
South Sudan — Republic Of South Sudan
Jamaica
Japan
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:24 pm

Scorpius wrote:
Below is an alphabetical list of countries, including:


as expected, lots of fake made up "countries". Countries somehow recognized by Russia don´t count, they even think Crimea is russian.....

And no one in his right mind would count semi-autonomous regions as countries.

So nice try, but you are still just a supporter of state sponsored terrorism making up sh*t out of thin air.

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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:26 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
Scorpius wrote:
Below is an alphabetical list of countries, including:


as expected, lots of fake made up "countries". Countries somehow recognized by Russia don´t count, they even think Crimea is russian.....

And no one in his right mind would count semi-autonomous regions as countries.

So nice try, but you are still just a supporter of state sponsored terrorism making up sh*t out of thin air.

best regards
Thomas

No matter how you puffed - Crimea is Russian territory.
And you are a supporter of terrorist Western regimes that kill millions of people.
I stand by the truth, and you will burn in hell.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:34 pm

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No matter how you puffed - Crimea is Russian territory.


about as Russian as Poland was German and Soviet.

And you are a supporter of terrorist Western regimes that kill millions of people.


I support no terrorism whatsoever.

I stand by the truth,


you should use truth in "". Makes it easier for everyone to know what you are talking about when you use words sarcastically.

and you will burn in hell.


Nah, i plan no Trip to Moscow and May is hardly as crazy or criminal as Putin.

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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:05 pm

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Right, because Russia has never oppressed its own citizens or invaded other sovereign countries. Ever. :rotfl:


heck, they´ve even used gas on a theater full of their own people to "prevent" Terrorists from killing them....

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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:17 pm

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She hasn't been kidnapped by anyone. She's well enough to have been discharged from hospital, no thanks to Putin's incompetent henchmen. If she wants to see or speak to the Russian consulate nobody will stop her. They'll probably advise her against it, but nobody will stop her.

...and we have to take our word for it, of course. Highly likely


Totalitarian, cannibal regimes of the West? :lol:

Right, because Russia has never oppressed its own citizens or invaded other sovereign countries. Ever. :rotfl:

Western regimes invented genocide.
Western regimes have killed the Indians with a plague-infected blankets, and also announced a reward for the scalps of Indians.
NATO soldiers have been marked by widespread abuse of prisoners and civilians during military conflicts around the world. I will not publish here photos and videos that confirm this, due to the fact that they are shock-content, and can be removed by moderation of the site. However, you cannot deny the multiplicity of these facts.

Seriously dude, you need to significantly change your medication. You're either way over or way under medicated.

For some reason, you don't say that those who say such about Russia. Curious selectivity of criticism, isn't it?

You wouldn't know the truth if it stood in front of you and slapped you round the face with a dead fish. By the way, there is no such thing as hell - even the Pope admits that.

Pedophiles from the Vatican even sodomy ceased to be considered a sin, for which they were defeated by Sodom and Gomorrah? The same fate awaits you.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:22 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
scbriml wrote:
Right, because Russia has never oppressed its own citizens or invaded other sovereign countries. Ever. :rotfl:


heck, they´ve even used gas on a theater full of their own people to "prevent" Terrorists from killing them....

best regards
Thomas

heck, Tommy, no intelligence Agency in the world could have acted more effectively in those circumstances. And I remind you, as in Beslan, special forces were covering the hostages during the evacuation, which was the biggest loss for all time of existence of special forces "alpha" and "Vympel". For some reason, I doubt that you, Tommy, would have shut down a child from terrorist bullets. But you sit here and talk about the guys who died saving the hostages.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:35 pm

Lol, Russia and it's destabilizing states.

Let's put the number of countries at UN recognized states and recognized the majority by UN members + Taiwan
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:41 pm

Scorpius wrote:
And I remind you, as in Beslan, special forces were covering the hostages during the evacuation, which was the biggest loss for all time of existence of special forces "alpha" and "Vympel". For some reason, I doubt that you, Tommy, would have shut down a child from terrorist bullets. But you sit here and talk about the guys who died saving the hostages.


Why bringing in the poor SOBs in uniform that had to carry out the orders of the murderer in chief that Putin is? And who is talking about Beslan? But nice of those troops that they have finally come around protecting kids instead of firing artillery rockets on a school full of them.....

Besides, those poor brave guys during the moscow hostages crisis have been lied to by their own government about the dangerousnes of the used agent. They have been told it would be harmless and just make hostages and terrorists fall asleep. Seems Russia has a tradition lying about chemical weapons, even to their own citizens. Just like now.

Putin is despicable enough to use lethal chemical agents on his own citizens, children and even his own brave troops.

The violation of human rights was tried in a court with appropriate jurisdiction and Russia was found guilty as charged.

In both cases....

The Court wrote:
Holds, unanimously, that there has been a violation of Article 2 of the Convention, in respect of the positive obligation to prevent the threat to life, in respect of all applicants;

Holds, unanimously, that there has been a violation of Article 2 of the Convention, in respect of the obligation to carry out an effective investigation, in respect of all applicants


heck, Tommy, no intelligence Agency in the world could have acted more effectively in those circumstances.


Heck, dude, there even was a criminal investigation for how much better intelligence could have done in freaking Russia, that had to be shut down via the use of an amnesty law.

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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:48 pm

Scorpius wrote:
....


Your random word generator looks like it needs a reboot. The more you post the less sense you make. :crazy:
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:40 pm

Scorpius wrote:
No matter how you puffed - Crimea is Russian territory.
And you are a supporter of terrorist Western regimes that kill millions of people.
I stand by the truth, and you will burn in hell.


You stand by the warped Russian version which you call the truth, don't continue your streak laying or you will burn in Hell :lol: .
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:30 pm

I recall that awful siege at the Moscow theatre, where the brutally incompetent use of a dangerous agent killed many of those supposed to be rescued. Typically brutal and stupid and it reminds us that for all the bare chested posing, Putin is no superman. In fact he screws up, a lot. If you want to see how a hostage rescue from a building is done, start with googling 'Operation Nimrod'.
(Just as well then he runs virtually all of the media, via his cronies, that opposition politicians tend to be locked up or worse, that reporters that get too close to his looted billions keep falling out of windows, or be shot near the Kremlin).

Just before the Moscow theatre there was of course, the loss of the Kursk.
Both US and UK submarine rescue units offered to help (in fact it was already too late but they did not know that).
Then, as now, though not to the same degree in those pre social media times, Russia tried to deflect and even blame the sub's loss on NATO for a time.
To cover up (as found when the wreck was raised), that a torpedo explosion caused the loss, due to using a propulsion system rejected as too dangerous for both subs and torpedoes, in both the US and Royal Navies, by the mid 1950's. 45 years before the Kursk was sunk.

You would think after the loss of the Kursk, the Russians would get their own sub rescue capability, even to the level of the modest operation the RN runs, now with other NATO allies.
But no, in 2005, a Russian mini sub got caught in undersea cables off Russian Pacific coast. Still no Russian sub rescue ability, so the US and UK scrambled to help, the UK team got there first and rescued the crew. Putin (through gritted teeth) thanked the rescuers.

Given the safety record of the Russian submarine fleet over decades, even when they had plenty of funding in the Cold War, their crews had better hope that their leader has bothered to provide a rescue capability because if another is in peril, you can whistle for any help now and that is on Putin and his actions.
 
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Much more interesting is the case of the Moscow bombings, the last one didn't explode and was an FSB bomb. It was blamed at the Tjetjenians and got Putin in the national spotlight by starting a war in Tjetjenia, which happened.

These are the facts and the speculation is, of course, the FSB bombed these apartment buildings in order to start a war and thereafter getting Putin elected over the literally dead bodies of many Russians - civilians and soldiers alike. Since what has happened and the track record of the Putin regime this is most believable.
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Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:28 pm

Dutchy wrote:
All right I call bullshit on everything:

Scorpius wrote:
Well, first of all, stop telling that shit.

What shit?

Scorpius wrote:
Today we have the following fact: the citizen of Russia Yulia Skripal is kidnapped, about her location there is no information.


Proof?

Scorpius wrote:
Employees of the Russian Consulate were not granted access to it.


Proof?

Scorpius wrote:
We don't even know if she's alive or what condition she's in.


Why do you need to know this? Not public knowledge.

Scorpius wrote:
Russia has considerable reason to believe that the attempt on Julia Skripal and her father was set up by British or American intelligence agencies.


Proof? Based on what exactly. Firstly it was Sweden and a number of other countries, now it is Britain of America. Again Russia's story is spinning more than a dancer. And why did they do this? This was a Russian whom turned understandably on the Russian regime and helped America and Brittain, why would they murder him with a WMD endangering their own citizens?

Scorpius wrote:
All the hysterical accusations of Russia in an event arranged for the distraction.


Proof, a distraction of what?

Scorpius wrote:
At the same time, just the day before yesterday, the Israeli air force, invading Lebanese airspace, launched a missile attack on the territory of another independent state - Syria.


Whataboutism, this is about the attempted murder by the Russian state, not about Israel. And you are fine with invading another state: Ukraine and a number of other independent states, so you are being hypocritical. But what's new about that attitude of yours.

Scorpius wrote:
No sanctions have yet been imposed on Israel, despite the fact that this is not the first case of illegal Israeli actions in the region.


Whataboutism....

Scorpius wrote:
At the same time on the territory of Syria is not the first year ILLEGAL missle and bomb strikes of the international coalition led by the United States.
Let me remind you that the only military that is legally present in Syria are the Syrian government forces and the Russian air force, which are officially invited there to assist the Syrian government.


Syria supposed to get rid of all their nerve gasses and Russia played a role in that as well. Alais, another lie from Russia and the Assad regime.

Scorpius wrote:
At the same time, the totalitarian regimes of the United States and the West are trying to distract the attention of the international community with the help of murders and terrorist attacks, which accuse Russia.


Proof of totalitarian regimes in the west and the US. Or should I stop talking to you now you insulted yet again the west :lol:

Scorpius wrote:
MH17 was shot down at the direction of the Pentagon - specifically to impose sanctions against Russia.


Proof? There is proof of Russia's involvement, none of the Pentagon, but please enlighten us......

Scorpius wrote:
Oleg Skripal and his daughter were poisoned just before the world Cup in Russia and a week before the elections in Russia. There is no doubt that only Western regimes could benefit from these actions.


I doubt it, so yet again a lie, there is doubt. :lol:

But perhaps you could explain how exactly the west benifited from this attempted murder in relation to the stolen World Cup and the re-election of Putin?

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Western cannibal regimes must be destroyed, because they have brought too much suffering to this world.


Again, you yet display a lot of anger towards the west and yet again want to destroy it. Nobody says the same about Russia. You are the aggressor, nobody else.


Dutchy - aren’t you familiar with latest developments in foreign policy? British and Americans want everyone to believe their “classified intelligence data”, “highly likely” and “no alternative explanation exists”. Hence here we say “Russian diplomats haven’t seen her, hence it’s highly likely that British MI-6 kidnapped her, and no alternative explanation exists”. How does that sound?
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:38 pm

anrec80 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
All right I call bullshit on everything:

Scorpius wrote:
Well, first of all, stop telling that shit.

What shit?

Scorpius wrote:
Today we have the following fact: the citizen of Russia Yulia Skripal is kidnapped, about her location there is no information.


Proof?

Scorpius wrote:
Employees of the Russian Consulate were not granted access to it.


Proof?

Scorpius wrote:
We don't even know if she's alive or what condition she's in.


Why do you need to know this? Not public knowledge.

Scorpius wrote:
Russia has considerable reason to believe that the attempt on Julia Skripal and her father was set up by British or American intelligence agencies.


Proof? Based on what exactly. Firstly it was Sweden and a number of other countries, now it is Britain of America. Again Russia's story is spinning more than a dancer. And why did they do this? This was a Russian whom turned understandably on the Russian regime and helped America and Brittain, why would they murder him with a WMD endangering their own citizens?

Scorpius wrote:
All the hysterical accusations of Russia in an event arranged for the distraction.


Proof, a distraction of what?

Scorpius wrote:
At the same time, just the day before yesterday, the Israeli air force, invading Lebanese airspace, launched a missile attack on the territory of another independent state - Syria.


Whataboutism, this is about the attempted murder by the Russian state, not about Israel. And you are fine with invading another state: Ukraine and a number of other independent states, so you are being hypocritical. But what's new about that attitude of yours.

Scorpius wrote:
No sanctions have yet been imposed on Israel, despite the fact that this is not the first case of illegal Israeli actions in the region.


Whataboutism....

Scorpius wrote:
At the same time on the territory of Syria is not the first year ILLEGAL missle and bomb strikes of the international coalition led by the United States.
Let me remind you that the only military that is legally present in Syria are the Syrian government forces and the Russian air force, which are officially invited there to assist the Syrian government.


Syria supposed to get rid of all their nerve gasses and Russia played a role in that as well. Alais, another lie from Russia and the Assad regime.

Scorpius wrote:
At the same time, the totalitarian regimes of the United States and the West are trying to distract the attention of the international community with the help of murders and terrorist attacks, which accuse Russia.


Proof of totalitarian regimes in the west and the US. Or should I stop talking to you now you insulted yet again the west :lol:

Scorpius wrote:
MH17 was shot down at the direction of the Pentagon - specifically to impose sanctions against Russia.


Proof? There is proof of Russia's involvement, none of the Pentagon, but please enlighten us......

Scorpius wrote:
Oleg Skripal and his daughter were poisoned just before the world Cup in Russia and a week before the elections in Russia. There is no doubt that only Western regimes could benefit from these actions.


I doubt it, so yet again a lie, there is doubt. :lol:

But perhaps you could explain how exactly the west benifited from this attempted murder in relation to the stolen World Cup and the re-election of Putin?

Scorpius wrote:
Western cannibal regimes must be destroyed, because they have brought too much suffering to this world.


Again, you yet display a lot of anger towards the west and yet again want to destroy it. Nobody says the same about Russia. You are the aggressor, nobody else.


Dutchy - aren’t you familiar with latest developments in foreign policy? British and Americans want everyone to believe their “classified intelligence data”, “highly likely” and “no alternative explanation exists”. Hence here we say “Russian diplomats haven’t seen her, hence it’s highly likely that British MI-6 kidnapped her, and no alternative explanation exists”. How does that sound?



Hw does that sound? It sounds like one Russian troll answering for the other, or are they just part of a group of trolls using different accounts? Anyone's guess.....
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:42 pm

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tommy1808 wrote:
Yulia Skripal as a Russian citizen has the right to contact her consulate, but if she chooses not to, that is her decision and her alone.

She can't do that because she's being held illegally by the British intelligence services. [Lie #1]
Yulia Skripal was taken to an unknown destination, and her condition is known only from the statements of the British intelligence services [Lie #2]
There is no one who could confirm the fact that Yulia Skripal is alive at the moment [Lie #3]
.... as the British intelligence services prevent access of the staff of The Russian Embassy to Julia to confirm her condition.[At last, a Russian saying something that is true] :rotfl:

Since when has the rest of the world become so insignificant?
Plenty of NHS staff can attest to the fact Yulia is alive and well, and not being held illegally. They can't all be hushed up by MI6. That's not how it works in civilised countries. If the British Government wanted to make the Skripal's disappear, they would have taken them to a military hospital, with military doctors & nurses, not a normal NHS hospital accessed by the public every day. :roll:

There is a BBC News article about Yulia Skripal leaving hospital.
The press release was delivered by Dr Christine Blanshard, who is most definitely not a member of the British Intelligence service. She was appointed to her position as Director for Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust back in 2011, and since then hundreds of people will have met and talked to her in her role, and surely found out by now if she was a fraud in the pocket of MI6. So, I take it you accept she is real.

When all this fuss has died down, she will still need her job as Director, and her family will still want to live in Salisbury, and her kids go to the same schools, so stepping up and telling lies in front of the world's media is most definitely not an option. That's how we do things in the UK. I am happy to predict she will still have her job as Medical Director, long after Putin has lost his job.

So, if she states that Yulia is making a good recovery, and is safe and sound, in a secure and secret location, I'll take her word ahead of any lying Russian politician, from Putin down.

It's all about credibility; and you have absolutely none.

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Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:14 am

Dutchy wrote:
Scorpius wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
....
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As many words in justification of the cannibal policy and lies of the West.


Proof of your statement....

"No alternative explanation exists".
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:50 am

anrec80 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Scorpius wrote:
As many words in justification of the cannibal policy and lies of the West.


Proof of your statement....

"No alternative explanation exists".


Well done, at last, the correct use of "quotes", I guess the old saying, - even a broken clock is right two times a day -, applies here.
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:55 am

Since when has the rest of the world become so insignificant?
Plenty of NHS staff can attest to the fact Yulia is alive and well, and not being held illegally. [Lie #1]

We don't take the English word for it.
They can't all be hushed up by MI6. [Lie #2]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/02/mi6-patrice-lumumba-assassination
That's not how it works in civilised countries. [Lie #3]

Guantanamo Bay detention camp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp
If the British Government wanted to make the Skripal's disappear, they would have taken them to a military hospital, with military doctors & nurses, not a normal NHS hospital accessed by the public every day. :roll: [Lie #4]

Such an interesting public hospital, which does not allow official representatives of the Russian Consulate. Or the relatives of the victims.


There is a BBC News article about Yulia Skripal leaving hospital.
The press release was delivered by Dr Christine Blanshard, who is most definitely not a member of the British Intelligence service. She was appointed to her position as Director for Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust back in 2011, and since then hundreds of people will have met and talked to her in her role, and surely found out by now if she was a fraud in the pocket of MI6. So, I take it you accept she is real.

When all this fuss has died down, she will still need her job as Director, and her family will still want to live in Salisbury, and her kids go to the same schools, so stepping up and telling lies in front of the world's media is most definitely not an option. That's how we do things in the UK. I am happy to predict she will still have her job as Medical Director, long after Putin has lost his job.

So, if she states that Yulia is making a good recovery, and is safe and sound, in a secure and secret location, I'll take her word ahead of any lying Russian politician, from Putin down.

It's all about credibility; and you have absolutely none.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43710126

http://www.salisbury.nhs.uk/AboutUs/med ... ector.aspx
[/quote]
blah, blah, blah.
And no photos, no videos from Yulia. Nor one treatment from Yuliya.
Some people tell reporters that Yulia was taken somewhere.
Remember [#1] We do not believe the English word for it.
Yulia is a Russian citizen.
She didn't make any statements, didn't make any statements. Now it was taken away in an unknown direction, her family did not report where she. Siblings can't get to meet her.
The fact that she is alive - we know only from the words of the British, but as I said, [#1] We do not believe the English word for word.
At present, Yulia Skripal, a citizen of Russia, is kidnapped by the British intelligence services, she may be pressured, including torture and other methods of influence by the British intelligence services.
Any statements by the British about her condition are regarded as a lie until we see Yulia, until she makes a official statement.
That is why I say: England kidnapped a Russian citizen and illegally detains her.
I think that the Russian government should take all possible measures to rescue the Russian citizen in this situation, including carrying out a special force operation on the territory of England.
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:14 am

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Yulia is a Russian citizen..


it is so sad that you see yourself as Russian property. She isn´t.

She probably won´t be seen or heard anywhere your owner can get to her for a long long time.

Keep in mind, outside of the Russian government we don´t even have a remote reason be believe anyone else had a reason to murder Skripal, and if there is only one guy with a motive, those usually turn out to be the perpetrator. Funny how that works.

And i like the claim this is a false flag operation to take the world cup. I guess the UK can pull that off with a few weeks notice. Wouldn´t hat be poetic justice?

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Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:16 am

Scorpius wrote:
We don't take the English word for it.


But apparently, we're supposed to take Russia's word that they had nothing to do with the attack on the Scripals? :scratchchin:

Scorpius wrote:
Such an interesting public hospital, which does not allow official representatives of the Russian Consulate. Or the relatives of the victims.


Clearly you have a limited grasp of how things work in a civilised country. The hospital hasn't stopped anything.


The rest of your post is just noise.
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:42 am

scbriml wrote:
Scorpius wrote:
Such an interesting public hospital, which does not allow official representatives of the Russian Consulate. Or the relatives of the victims.


Clearly you have a limited grasp of how things work in a civilised country. The hospital hasn't stopped anything.


The rest of your post is just noise.


Plus the Russian consulate has no right to talk to him or her. They have the right to talk to them should they so chose, but that is a one way street.

And even if the hospital had stopped them, it is their property, they can keep people of the grounds if they chose to. You wouldn´t let the lawyer of the guy that carried out the attempted murder visit the victim. Each and every RU government employee fits that bill.

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Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:23 am

scbriml wrote:
Scorpius wrote:
We don't take the English word for it.


But apparently, we're supposed to take Russia's word that they had nothing to do with the attack on the Scripals? :scratchchin:

Scorpius wrote:
Such an interesting public hospital, which does not allow official representatives of the Russian Consulate. Or the relatives of the victims.


Clearly you have a limited grasp of how things work in a civilised country. The hospital hasn't stopped anything.


The rest of your post is just noise.


We are still waiting for evidence of Russia's involvement. Moreover-only England had a motive for the murder of Oleg Skripal.
Currently, the failed killer is trying to cover his tracks, and is holding his victims against their will.
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:55 am

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Moreover-only England had a motive for the murder of Oleg Skripal.
Currently, the failed killer is trying to cover his tracks, and is holding his victims against their will.


Delusional nonsense. You need to top-up your vodka level.
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:09 am

Scorpius wrote:
GDB wrote:
recall that awful siege at the Moscow theatre, where the brutally incompetent use of a dangerous agent killed many of those supposed to be rescued. Typically brutal and stupid and it reminds us that for all the bare chested posing, Putin is no superman. In fact he screws up, a lot. If you want to see how a hostage rescue from a building is done, start with googling 'Operation Nimrod'.
(Just as well then he runs virtually all of the media, via his cronies, that opposition politicians tend to be locked up or worse, that reporters that get too close to his looted billions keep falling out of windows, or be shot near the Kremlin).


Just before the Moscow theatre there was of course, the loss of the Kursk.

The death of the APL "Kursk" was a consequence of the nineties, and the collapse of the army structures, which came as a result. Why should you blame Putin for what Gorbachev and Yeltsin did long before he came?


You would think after the loss of the Kursk, the Russians would get their own sub rescue capability, even to the level of the modest operation the RN runs, now with other NATO allies.
But no, in 2005, a Russian mini sub got caught in undersea cables off Russian Pacific coast. Still no Russian sub rescue ability, so the US and UK scrambled to help, the UK team got there first and rescued the crew. Putin (through gritted teeth) thanked the rescuers.
Given the safety record of the Russian submarine fleet over decades, even when they had plenty of funding in the Cold War, their crews had better hope that their leader has bothered to provide a rescue capability because if another is in peril, you can whistle for any help now and that is on Putin and his actions.

Once again, you show that you either do not fully own the question or you are blatantly lying. The Soviet fleet was sufficiently provided rescue boats, which allowed for scrapping just in the nineties. New ships were not developed, and the design of a new type of rescue vessel began just after the crash of Kursk. In 2005, a new vessel was laid at the shipyard. Currently there are plans to equip each of the fleets at least one such vessel. If you do not know about its existence - this is an indicator that you did not understand the question at all.
Rescue vessel project 21300S "Dolphin", the main vessel of the series is called" Igor Belousov", since 2015 is part of the Pacific fleet:
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I do not see a pressure vessel for rescuing crew on that ship.
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:36 am

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We are still waiting for evidence of Russia's involvement. Moreover-only England had a motive for the murder of Oleg Skripal.


What motive did the UK have for it? A big diplomatic spat with the Soviets doesn't really benefit us in the long run, nor does a botched assassination of someone who stopped spying a long time ago.
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:56 am

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A big diplomatic spat with the Soviets doesn't really benefit us in the long run


Plus if that was the goal, they could have just amped up the rhetoric regarding that foreign territory Russia still occupies.....

If taking the world cup from Russia is the ultimate goal, a simple "We can not have a World Cup in a country that occupies neighboring countries territory" and be done with it.

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Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:16 pm

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What motive did the UK have for it? A big diplomatic spat with the Soviets doesn't really benefit us in the long run, nor does a botched assassination of someone who stopped spying a long time ago.

Russia especially has no motives for murder of the spy who was already pardoned ten years ago. Especially in some idiotic way, which as it turned out no one died.
 
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I do not see a pressure vessel for rescuing crew on that ship.

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1. Deep-sea diving complex GVK-450 "Dolphin-GVK"
The complex is designed for 60 seats located on 5 decks in the middle of the ship and takes more than 20% of the volume of the hull. Its basis consists of 5 pressure vessels divided into 8 compartments, each with a length of 4.5 to 5.5 m and a diameter of 2.3 m, capable of accommodating 60 rescued submariners. Just in the complex are trained divers before diving. Pressure chambers have different purposes-residential, sanitary-household and reception-weekend. The complex includes a life support system for temperature and humidity control, oxygen saturation, removal of gaseous impurities and odors. The work is based on the principle of recirculation-with a decrease in pressure, expensive helium is separated from other gases, and pumped for reuse. The operating pressure within 45 ATM. GVK to manage and support experts around the clock in three shifts — machine operators and doctors-physiologists. The development of the complex was carried out jointly by JSC "Tethys Pro"," cmcb "Almaz"and JSC " Admiralty shipyards". The complex is made by the company, "Tethys Pro".
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2. Rescue deep-water apparatus PR. 18271 "Bester-1"
SGA "Bester-1" has a working depth of immersion up to 720 m.among its features — the latest control systems, the accuracy of its positioning and navigation at depth, the presence of a single automated control system, powerful and fundamentally new propulsion and steering systems, a new guidance system, landing and fastening to the emergency submarine, a new docking camera to the emergency exit from the submarine, through which you can evacuate 22 people with a roll up to 45° at a time.


3. Diving bell
Diving bell is designed to dive to a depth of 450 meters. It has the form of a vertical cylinder and is equipped with portholes. Inside there is a communication and video surveillance equipment, boards of air mixture supply to divers and hot water for their heating. In a bell the diver operator and two working divers with full equipment are placed. To move the divers, the bell fit with the receiving and output compartment GVK-450. Descent and ascent is carried out by the descent and lifting device.
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:38 pm

Scorpius wrote:
UltimoTiger777 wrote:
What motive did the UK have for it? A big diplomatic spat with the Soviets doesn't really benefit us in the long run, nor does a botched assassination of someone who stopped spying a long time ago.

Russia especially has no motives for murder of the spy who was already pardoned ten years ago. Especially in some idiotic way, which as it turned out no one died.


he was traded with other Russian spies whom got caught in the west.
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:41 pm

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Makes me wonder what anyone should do and say here to get kicked out, personal attacks like this should not be allowed, yet this Russian seems to get away with a lot more than others.


Dutchy, I'm neither insulted nor offended by him My mother's been dead for 12 years anyway.

Leave his post there so everyone can see how shallow he is and how paper-thin his arguments are.
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:31 pm

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As many words in justification of the cannibal policy and lies of the West.


Reality is complicated. That leads to many words. Speaking of words, you may want to look up the meaning of the world "cannibal" and bring forward some proof for the claim.

Are are you trying to say that victims of western state violence could in principal still be eaten, since they are not radioactive of chemical waste once your owner is done with them?

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Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:25 pm

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Well done, at last, the correct use of "quotes", I guess the old saying, - even a broken clock is right two times a day -, applies here.


Yes, it is correct - and since you believe such answers yourself, you will be getting them to any of your requests for evidence, proof, links, facts, etc. A new reality for you here from now on.
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:28 pm

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anrec80 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

Proof of your statement....

"No alternative explanation exists".


please, do reason out why there is no alternative to western police eating people.

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How does Therese May think? “No alternative explanation exists” - in her case because nobody provided any yet presumably. Another reason - she wasn’t interested in any really. That’s about it, no reasoning needed.
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:29 pm

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How does Therese May think? “No alternative explanation exists” - in her case because nobody provided any yet presumably. Another reason - she wasn’t interested in any really. That’s about it, no reasoning needed.


She just has access to all the evidence and you don't.

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Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:54 pm

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Plenty of NHS staff can attest to the fact Yulia is alive and well, and not being held illegally. [Lie #1]
We don't take the English word for it.

By adding [Lie #1] after my statement, you demonstrate that you fail to understand what a lie actually comprises. Is there no direct translation into the Russian language? Or is the concept of truth & lies just too modern for you?

And when you say "we don't take the English word for it", you have dismissed not just the politicians and organs of the state apparatus, but every single English person. Your credibility takes a hit right there. I don't trust the Russian government machine, but I am happy to hear what ordinary Russian citizens might say on various matters. I'm afraid that excludes you, as you are clearly sponsored by the Kremlin. :lol:

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Again,you demonstrate that you fail to understand what a lie actually comprises. I suppose I should expect nothing more from a country founded on untruths.
It's also classic whataboutism - so incredibly boring. And irrelevant.
How many ordinary members of the English public were on the ground when Patrice Lumumba was assassinated? None.
The only Brits involved in that ancient case were members of the security services, and they are expected to keep state secrets; it's part of their job. I would have expected the same from the KGB.
But that isn't the case here with the Skripals; here we have ordinary civilians who can verify that Yulia is safe.
So "they [dozens of civilian medical staff] can't all be hushed up by MI6" is not a lie. Assuming you have the faintest idea what a lie actually is?

That's not how it works in civilised countries. [Lie #3]

Guantanamo Bay detention camp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp
Quoted out of context, and nothing to do with Guantanamo Bay. Do try and keep up. No lie here.

If the British Government wanted to make the Skripal's disappear, they would have taken them to a military hospital, with military doctors & nurses, not a normal NHS hospital accessed by the public every day. :roll: [Lie #4]

What part of that statement is a lie?
I will ask again; do you understand the basic [English] definition of a "lie"? It seems not. Am I dealing with an actual human being, or some automated response bot that churns out garbage?

Such an interesting public hospital, which does not allow official representatives of the Russian Consulate. Or the relatives of the victims.

How do hospitals operate in Russia? In civilised countries, the patient decides who is allowed to visit them. It's part of basic human rights. Of course in rigid undemocratic regimes where the individual is subservient to the wishes of the state, presumably it's open house.

You seem to be taking it a stage further, with Russia's demands for access to the Skripals being rather akin to a rapist demanding access to his victim in her hospital bed in order to examine her wounds and take vaginal swabs for evidence. I guess you would have no problem with that....

It's all about credibility; and you have absolutely none.

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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:35 pm

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Scorpius wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
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best regards
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As many words in justification of the cannibal policy and lies of the West.


Reality is complicated. That leads to many words. Speaking of words, you may want to look up the meaning of the world "cannibal" and bring forward some proof for the claim.

Are are you trying to say that victims of western state violence could in principal still be eaten, since they are not radioactive of chemical waste once your owner is done with them?

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It's just an expression that is being used in Russian language. The corresponding English expression would be "extremely inhumane". That means that Scorpius is indeed Russian. Although, his translation is not exactly correct, even if he wanted to use the same idiom. "Man-eating" would be a more correct translation. Makes me wonder how old her is, though. I remember this expression very well, growing up in the USSR in 70's - 80's. It's been used quite a lot by the official propaganda machine, but not so much after 1985.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:38 pm

Yulia Scripal has issued a personal statement via the police.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43733765
Yulia Skripal, poisoned daughter of Russian ex-spy Sergei, has rejected assistance from the Russian embassy "at the moment".

The 33-year-old, who was discharged from hospital on Monday, said her father is "still seriously ill".

In a statement issued through police, she said she was not yet strong enough to give a full media interview but "no-one speaks for me, or for my father".


On the whole, she sounds like a sensible young woman. I'm sure this statement will do little to convince certain people that she's not being held against her will be the evil British Government.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:41 pm

Dogman wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
Scorpius wrote:
As many words in justification of the cannibal policy and lies of the West.


Reality is complicated. That leads to many words. Speaking of words, you may want to look up the meaning of the world "cannibal" and bring forward some proof for the claim.

Are are you trying to say that victims of western state violence could in principal still be eaten, since they are not radioactive of chemical waste once your owner is done with them?

best regards
Thomas

It's just an expression that is being used in Russian language. The corresponding English expression would be "extremely inhumane". That means that Scorpius is indeed Russian. Although, his translation is not exactly correct, even if he wanted to use the same idiom. "Man-eating" would be a more correct translation. Makes me wonder how old her is, though. I remember this expression very well, growing up in the USSR in 70's - 80's. It's been used quite a lot by the official propaganda machine, but not so much after 1985.


Interesting, Scorpius is on record saying he didn't actively remember 1989-1991 period, if that is correct then he is probably born around 1985. How come he uses old USSR style propaganda talk?
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:04 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Dogman wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

Reality is complicated. That leads to many words. Speaking of words, you may want to look up the meaning of the world "cannibal" and bring forward some proof for the claim.

Are are you trying to say that victims of western state violence could in principal still be eaten, since they are not radioactive of chemical waste once your owner is done with them?

best regards
Thomas

It's just an expression that is being used in Russian language. The corresponding English expression would be "extremely inhumane". That means that Scorpius is indeed Russian. Although, his translation is not exactly correct, even if he wanted to use the same idiom. "Man-eating" would be a more correct translation. Makes me wonder how old her is, though. I remember this expression very well, growing up in the USSR in 70's - 80's. It's been used quite a lot by the official propaganda machine, but not so much after 1985.


Interesting, Scorpius is on record saying he didn't actively remember 1989-1991 period, if that is correct then he is probably born around 1985. How come he uses old USSR style propaganda talk?


May be they dusted up the old propaganda metodichka (handbook). But seriously, the language he is using - it's just like travelling back in time.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:24 am

Cool. Reading tge last two pages of this topic, makes me think that several posters here are reading a "metodichka" from yhe western regimes. Circa 1985. Like Tommy, Dutchy and several others.
You guys laugh at Scorpius, and yes, with his use of Google Translate he does kinda push it far, but you aren't any better.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:00 pm

The OPCW has confirmed that the UK's analysis of the agent used to attack the Skripals was correct.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43741140?i ... ting-story
The international chemical weapons watchdog has confirmed the UK's analysis of the type of nerve agent used in the Russian ex-spy poisoning.

The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons did not name the nerve agent as Novichok, but said it agreed with the UK's findings on its identity.


It now looks as though Russia was taking an interest in the Skripals since as least 2013.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43755789?i ... ting-story
Russian intelligence agencies targeted poison victim Yulia Skripal's email account as early as 2013, the UK's national security adviser has said.

In a letter to Nato, Sir Mark Sedwill also said Russia trained "special units" to use nerve agents, including applying them to door handles.

Police said a nerve agent was found on Yulia's father Sergei Skripal's front door in Salisbury.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:16 pm

tu204 wrote:
Cool. Reading tge last two pages of this topic, makes me think that several posters here are reading a "metodichka" from yhe western regimes. Circa 1985. Like Tommy, Dutchy and several others.
You guys laugh at Scorpius, and yes, with his use of Google Translate he does kinda push it far, but you aren't any better.
You aren't able to see reason if it was in front of you and kicking you in the gut.


Enlighten us, what reason is this?
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:58 pm

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She just has access to all the evidence and you don't.

Best regards
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Doesn't sound like it! First, Johnson said "scientists sounded confident", then Germans asked "wait, what's the actual evidence", then terms they used "highly likely", "no alternate explanation exists". "Highly likely" pretty much indicates that there is no evidence, doesn't it? Then why embarrass Britain, look stupid yourself by stating these "highly likely" things?
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:00 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Interesting, Scorpius is on record saying he didn't actively remember 1989-1991 period, if that is correct then he is probably born around 1985. How come he uses old USSR style propaganda talk?


How should he talk then? Talk "freedom", "democracy", "human rights" and how any issues with those justify shelling and bombing of other countries? Unlike you, he doesn't say it's OK to stick into other countries and bomb them.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:10 pm

anrec80 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Interesting, Scorpius is on record saying he didn't actively remember 1989-1991 period, if that is correct then he is probably born around 1985. How come he uses old USSR style propaganda talk?


How should he talk then? Talk "freedom", "democracy", "human rights" and how any issues with those justify shelling and bombing of other countries? Unlike you, he doesn't say it's OK to stick into other countries and bomb them.


why do you feel the need to defend him. He is a big boy. And btw Scorpius did threaten Lisbon. :lol:
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