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anrec80
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:12 am

Kestrel333 wrote:

Plenty of time. It’s not a hard question to answer, is it?

Did the Russian State authorise this attack? Or was it made possible by the fact that the Russian State has lost control of the weapon?


Depends what your goal is. If you want some phrase to blow into a yet another international scandal - yes, the amount of time is about right. But that will be all you will achieve. Plus it will help those actually responsible to get away.

If you actually want to find out what happened and arrest those people - it's much harder. Such an effort would then require lengthy joint investigation to find everything out about the origin of that substance. But in this political climate nobody will go for that - nobody in the UK will want to put their career at risk by a routine matter-related trip to Russia or a meeting with a Russian investigator.

A success example - work with Argentinian authorities on the heroin channel. They've been working together for 1.5 years until they discovered everyone who was involved into the "operation". And nobody screamed in media that Russian state is involved into drug trafficking somehow, and was giving 36 hour windows. Appropriate professionals from both countries were just doing their work, until the involved were held accountable.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:20 am

anrec80 wrote:
Kestrel333 wrote:

Plenty of time. It’s not a hard question to answer, is it?

Did the Russian State authorise this attack? Or was it made possible by the fact that the Russian State has lost control of the weapon?


Depends what your goal is. If you want some phrase to blow into a yet another international scandal - yes, the amount of time is about right. But that will be all you will achieve. Plus it will help those actually responsible to get away.

If you actually want to find out what happened and arrest those people - it's much harder. Such an effort would then require lengthy joint investigation to find everything out about the origin of that substance. But in this political climate nobody will go for that - nobody in the UK will want to put their career at risk by a routine matter-related trip to Russia or a meeting with a Russian investigator.

A success example - work with Argentinian authorities on the heroin channel. They've been working together for 1.5 years until they discovered everyone who was involved into the "operation". And nobody screamed in media that Russian state is involved into drug trafficking somehow, and was giving 36 hour windows. Appropriate professionals from both countries were just doing their work, until the involved were held accountable.


Your own media went haywire over that one. Which was bizarre, considering what giving the Russian government bad press does over there.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:31 am

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Your own media went haywire over that one. Which was bizarre, considering what giving the Russian government bad press does over there.


Agree - media blew that one as well, but they found out about it only after everything was done. And not instead of investigating the trafficking scheme, and not before that.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:52 am

anrec80 wrote:

If you actually want to find out what happened and arrest those people - it's much harder. Such an effort would then require lengthy joint investigation to find everything out about the origin of that substance.


Sounds good. First though the Russians need to tell us what they think happened. Hopefully the ambassador will do that today.

If they confirm that Russia has indeed lost control of this weapon, then I’m sure that the Russian authorities will assist the UK in a thorough investigation to identify and bring to justice those responsible for this attack.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:52 am

Kestrel333 wrote:
Plenty of time. It’s not a hard question to answer, is it?

Did the Russian State authorise this attack? Or was it made possible by the fact that the Russian State has lost control of the weapon?


Yep, even the dumbest Russian ambassador should be able to answer that one. If not, he might as well start packing his bags. :wave:
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:57 am

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he might as well start packing his bags. :wave:


... full of cocaine?
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:50 am

Oh dear, Boris looks so far out of his depth on this one.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43381880

Maybe time for Putin's daughter to accidentally commit suicide. That would draw a line in the sand.

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scbriml wrote:
he might as well start packing his bags. :wave:


... full of cocaine?

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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:12 pm

Jouhou wrote:
anrec80 wrote:
scbriml wrote:
Gosh, I'm shocked to hear confirmation that Russia's dirty hand is all over this. :sarcastic:

As to any meaningful response from the UK, I won't hold my breath.


Don't British need to finish investigation first? They haven't even started it yet. Who used the agent? How did these people got it? In the darknet, you can buy anything now. These agents are being made by ISIS, during the mess of 90s in Russia who knows how much of this stuff went onto black markets. They need to investigate that first, but instead they called on Russian ambassador. As if he can know what gets onto British soil and how. It's British authorities responsibility, not that of Russian ambassador.


Well, the Brits have given the Russians the opportunity to explain how someone else may have gotten a hold of their unique chemical weapons which only Russia knows how to produce. Go ahead, tell us. Who got a hold of those?


lolol

Yeah, let's not worry about finding out some facts first.

Dem pesky Russians, they done it for sure.

Just like Assad used sarin on his own people, that was conclusive.

Oh hang on :lol:
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:52 pm

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Yeah, let's not worry about finding out some facts first.


Such as a nerve agent was used?
Such as people other than the intended targets have been affected?
Such as the nerve agent has been identified as being uniquely Russian?

Those sort of pesky facts?

Freakysh wrote:
Oh hang on :lol:


The use of chemical and nerve agents amuses you?
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:06 pm

zkojq wrote:
Oh dear, Boris looks so far out of his depth on this one.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43381880

Maybe time for Putin's daughter to accidentally commit suicide. That would draw a line in the sand.

L410Turbolet wrote:
scbriml wrote:
he might as well start packing his bags. :wave:


... full of cocaine?

:rotfl:


Not at all. It's clear, concise and a restrained response, the way things are done here.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:22 pm

Another Russian dissident dead in London.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ondon-home
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:08 pm

These are just the usual swashbuckling mock attacks. Neither side is trustworthy. Yet, both of them profit from that artificially staged hysteria. On BOTH sides the "dumb" populace is getting warned: don't be critical, just trust your government and take everything for granted what your local mass media trolls are indoctrinating you!
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:17 pm

LAH1 wrote:
zkojq wrote:
Oh dear, Boris looks so far out of his depth on this one.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43381880

Maybe time for Putin's daughter to accidentally commit suicide. That would draw a line in the sand.

L410Turbolet wrote:

... full of cocaine?

:rotfl:


Not at all. It's clear, concise and a restrained response, the way things are done here.


Normally I would agree, but what has being restrained achieved in this case so far?
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:07 am

scbriml wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Yeah, let's not worry about finding out some facts first.


Such as a nerve agent was used?
Such as people other than the intended targets have been affected?
Such as the nerve agent has been identified as being uniquely Russian?

Those sort of pesky facts?

Freakysh wrote:
Oh hang on :lol:


The use of chemical and nerve agents amuses you?


Oh, I see you have your PhD in reading between the lines with a Masters in comprehension. Good for you, those Russians better watch out.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:33 am

So the deadline is gone, Russia didn't give any explanation.

Sergej Lavrov is crying that he wants a sample. And only then will he cooperate.

Peter Wilson, UK ambassador to the Netherlands, filed a complained with the OPCW in order to have Russia open up its stock on chemical agents still in the possession of Russia.

Novichock is the group of nerve agents used in this murder attempt. According to the Brittish intelligence, it is very unlikely that a person outside of the Russian military would gain access to this.

According to the 83-old Vil Mirzayanov, he worked on the development of these agents for the USSR, are the security measures extreme. This weapon is too complex to be used as a weapon outside a government-sanctioned aggressor.

https://www.nu.nl/buitenland/5175671/ru ... ijken.html

So we have a nerve agent developed during Soviet times, heavily guarded, too complex for anyone outside the Russian government. So yeah, Putin will probably say that it was a soldier on holiday whom is allowed to take it with him.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:38 am

Kilopond wrote:
These are just the usual swashbuckling mock attacks. Neither side is trustworthy. Yet, both of them profit from that artificially staged hysteria. On BOTH sides the "dumb" populace is getting warned: don't be critical, just trust your government and take everything for granted what your local mass media trolls are indoctrinating you!


The propaganda machine of Russia has worked on you. The main message seems to be: everywhere it is as bad as in Russia. Russia's press is severely limited and not free at all. Western societies are free and have a very critical press. So no Russia and the western world are not at par on many levels, don't ever think that they are or you yourself are working to spread the propaganda from Soviet times.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:49 am

CCGPV wrote:
Its probably easier to get nerve agents into the UK than a P-96.


If you got training and freely available equipment you can make nerve agents at home, making a gun at home is somewhat more difficult. You can make botulinum toxin at home, heck, sometimes people make that accidentally.

Austrian physicist Werner Gruber has a bunch of lectures about how easy terrorism is, pretty much under the headline "Good that terrorists don´t know physics", including live demonstrations how easy it is to get all kinds of things through airport security, body scanners included.

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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:40 am

Dutchy wrote:

So we have a nerve agent developed during Soviet times, heavily guarded, too complex for anyone outside the Russian government. So yeah, Putin will probably say that it was a soldier on holiday whom is allowed to take it with him.


Are you suggesting novichok is too complex to produce outside the Russian government?

If so, I'd suggest you do some research.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:46 am

Kilopond wrote:
These are just the usual swashbuckling mock attacks. Neither side is trustworthy. Yet, both of them profit from that artificially staged hysteria. On BOTH sides the "dumb" populace is getting warned: don't be critical, just trust your government and take everything for granted what your local mass media trolls are indoctrinating you!


Upvote
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:48 am

Freakysh wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

So we have a nerve agent developed during Soviet times, heavily guarded, too complex for anyone outside the Russian government. So yeah, Putin will probably say that it was a soldier on holiday whom is allowed to take it with him.


Are you suggesting novichok is too complex to produce outside the Russian government?

If so, I'd suggest you do some research.


Do you suggest just anybody could produce and store this specific agent which has been identified as something the Russian military produced?
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:51 am

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Austrian physicist Werner Gruber has a bunch of lectures about how easy terrorism is, pretty much under the headline "Good that terrorists don´t know physics", including live demonstrations how easy it is to get all kinds of things through airport security, body scanners included


He seems to try really hard to bridge their knowledge gap.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:31 am

Dutchy wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

So we have a nerve agent developed during Soviet times, heavily guarded, too complex for anyone outside the Russian government. So yeah, Putin will probably say that it was a soldier on holiday whom is allowed to take it with him.


Are you suggesting novichok is too complex to produce outside the Russian government?

If so, I'd suggest you do some research.


Do you suggest just anybody could produce and store this specific agent which has been identified as something the Russian military produced?


Not just anybody. But not just Russians and not just Russian governments.

Don't be scared to read up on it.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:59 am

tommy1808 wrote:
CCGPV wrote:
Its probably easier to get nerve agents into the UK than a P-96.


If you got training and freely available equipment you can make nerve agents at home, making a gun at home is somewhat more difficult. You can make botulinum toxin at home, heck, sometimes people make that accidentally.

Austrian physicist Werner Gruber has a bunch of lectures about how easy terrorism is, pretty much under the headline "Good that terrorists don´t know physics", including live demonstrations how easy it is to get all kinds of things through airport security, body scanners included.

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Thomas


The best way to get things through airport security is to just carry whatever you want in your bags and pockets. They rarely find anything.

My father accidentally carried a starter pistol on a round trip flight once. I've flown with pepper spray many times.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:18 pm

Freakysh wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Freakysh wrote:

Are you suggesting novichok is too complex to produce outside the Russian government?

If so, I'd suggest you do some research.


Do you suggest just anybody could produce and store this specific agent which has been identified as something the Russian military produced?


Not just anybody. But not just Russians and not just Russian governments.

Don't be scared to read up on it.


So you are suggesting that another government made this substance, developed by the Russian government. And the target was a former spy. Yeah great, introduce a lot of uncertainty. Precisely how propaganda works: look they might have done it as well. Doesn't matter you don't have to quantify it or have any proof of it. There is proof that Russia is involved, so why denounce that?

Don't be scared to do some logical reasoning, this isn't the court of law you know.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:19 pm

L410Turbolet wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
Austrian physicist Werner Gruber has a bunch of lectures about how easy terrorism is, pretty much under the headline "Good that terrorists don´t know physics", including live demonstrations how easy it is to get all kinds of things through airport security, body scanners included


He seems to try really hard to bridge their knowledge gap.


He is more addressing the stupidity of our security fetish for being fairly pointless. Security by obscurity has never worked.

CCGPV wrote:
The best way to get things through airport security is to just carry whatever you want in your bags and pockets. They rarely find anything.

My father accidentally carried a starter pistol on a round trip flight once. I've flown with pepper spray many times.


Sometimes they are pretty good, i remember, 2009 i think it was, having bought a new iPod in the US. During security check we had to dig it out because they have noticed on the Maschine that the iPod in my bag looked different from others, once they had in their hands they just went "Oh, this is the new one with camera, we haven´t seen that before".

Traveling with industrial computer system samples pretty much always gets special attention, they just look too scary. Add a "thank good the customer we visited wasn´t a fertilizer factory" to your co-worker and you have their full attention :D

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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:33 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

Do you suggest just anybody could produce and store this specific agent which has been identified as something the Russian military produced?


Not just anybody. But not just Russians and not just Russian governments.

Don't be scared to read up on it.


So you are suggesting that another government made this substance, developed by the Russian government. And the target was a former spy. Yeah great, introduce a lot of uncertainty. Precisely how propaganda works: look they might have done it as well. Doesn't matter you don't have to quantify it or have any proof of it. There is proof that Russia is involved, so why denounce that?

Don't be scared to do some logical reasoning, this isn't the court of law you know.


They might have.

So far I see no conclusive evidence that they have. What proof do you have? Circumstantial evidence maybe.

Has nobody learnt from Iraq wmd and the Syrian gas attacks.

There is no way that US or UK could be using propaganda against its own people?
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:11 pm

Freakysh wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Freakysh wrote:

Not just anybody. But not just Russians and not just Russian governments.

Don't be scared to read up on it.


So you are suggesting that another government made this substance, developed by the Russian government. And the target was a former spy. Yeah great, introduce a lot of uncertainty. Precisely how propaganda works: look they might have done it as well. Doesn't matter you don't have to quantify it or have any proof of it. There is proof that Russia is involved, so why denounce that?

Don't be scared to do some logical reasoning, this isn't the court of law you know.


They might have.

So far I see no conclusive evidence that they have. What proof do you have? Circumstantial evidence maybe.

Has nobody learnt from Iraq wmd and the Syrian gas attacks.

There is no way that US or UK could be using propaganda against its own people?


Oh ok, you are suggesting that the UK or US government made this Russian designed poison attacked a double Russian agent just to have Russia look bad. Sounds very plausible.................................not :lol:

Using this propaganda tool to the max, Putin will be proud.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:14 pm

I saw a pretty decent explanation on NWO.org few days ago: Soros was flying a chemtrails mission that day. The chemtrails dosage mechanism malfunctioned and dumped a huge load of the chemtrails stuff on that restaurant where Skripal dined. There was no injured policeman, the False Flag unit of Illuminati used an already dead body of someone who died from vaccination 5 years ago and dressed him up in a uniform. Black helicopters spotted in the area.
Sounds legit to me.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:19 pm

L410Turbolet wrote:
I saw a pretty decent explanation on NWO.org few days ago: Soros was flying a chemtrails mission that day. The chemtrails dosage mechanism malfunctioned and dumped a huge load of the chemtrails stuff on that restaurant where Skripal dined. There was no injured policeman, the False Flag unit of Illuminati used an already dead body of someone who died from vaccination 5 years ago and dressed him up in a uniform. Black helicopters sportem in the area.
Sounds legit to me.


:lol:

Perhaps we need a Russian conspiracy thread, just like we have one for MH17 & MH317 so we can keep this thread real.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:25 pm

The UK will expel 23 Russian diplomats after Moscow refused to explain how a Russian-made nerve agent was used on a former spy in Salisbury, the PM says.

Theresa May said the diplomats, who have a week to leave, were identified as "undeclared intelligence officers".

She also revoked an invitation to Russia's foreign minister, and said the Royal Family would not attend the Fifa World Cup later this year. BBC

Well, it's a start.....
 
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Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:36 pm

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The UK will expel 23 Russian diplomats after Moscow refused to explain how a Russian-made nerve agent was used on a former spy in Salisbury, the PM says.


And "Yes, prime minister" strikes again. :lol:
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:02 pm

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The UK will expel 23 Russian diplomats after Moscow refused to explain how a Russian-made nerve agent was used on a former spy in Salisbury, the PM says.

Theresa May said the diplomats, who have a week to leave, were identified as "undeclared intelligence officers".

She also revoked an invitation to Russia's foreign minister, and said the Royal Family would not attend the Fifa World Cup later this year. BBC

Well, it's a start.....


She also placed an emphasis on enacting the UK version of the magnitsky act and cracking down on money laundering.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:05 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

So you are suggesting that another government made this substance, developed by the Russian government. And the target was a former spy. Yeah great, introduce a lot of uncertainty. Precisely how propaganda works: look they might have done it as well. Doesn't matter you don't have to quantify it or have any proof of it. There is proof that Russia is involved, so why denounce that?

Don't be scared to do some logical reasoning, this isn't the court of law you know.


They might have.

So far I see no conclusive evidence that they have. What proof do you have? Circumstantial evidence maybe.

Has nobody learnt from Iraq wmd and the Syrian gas attacks.

There is no way that US or UK could be using propaganda against its own people?


Oh ok, you are suggesting that the UK or US government made this Russian designed poison attacked a double Russian agent just to have Russia look bad. Sounds very plausible.................................not :lol:

Using this propaganda tool to the max, Putin will be proud.


:lol: yeah how stupid of me, it's never been done before.

Never have wmds been made up so that we can go to war

Never have gas attacks been wrongly blamed on the wrong guy just so we can bomb him

I'm not saying Russia definitely didn't do this, but at the moment there is no proof they did and I'm open to any possibility. Plenty are quick to jump onboard msm rhetoric without thinking for themselves
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:21 pm

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I'm not saying Russia definitely didn't do this, but at the moment there is no proof they did and I'm open to any possibility.


So you are open that anyone could have done it and you have no opinion at all whom might have done it?
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:36 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
I'm not saying Russia definitely didn't do this, but at the moment there is no proof they did and I'm open to any possibility.


So you are open that anyone could have done it and you have no opinion at all whom might have done it?


As there is no proof either way, everyone is a suspect
 
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Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:41 pm

Freakysh wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
I'm not saying Russia definitely didn't do this, but at the moment there is no proof they did and I'm open to any possibility.


So you are open that anyone could have done it and you have no opinion at all whom might have done it?


As there is no proof either way, everyone is a suspect


Lol and that's why you are trolling. The only question is why.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:24 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

So you are open that anyone could have done it and you have no opinion at all whom might have done it?


As there is no proof either way, everyone is a suspect


Lol and that's why you are trolling. The only question is why.


Let's roll out the trolling card. FMD :roll:

Why? You haven't noticed the ramped up anti Russia sentiment over the last 18 months? :lol:

Anyways, I guess you're right. Russia did it, Putin is out of control and he needs to be stopped, let's get on with it
 
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Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:28 pm

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Why? You haven't noticed the ramped up anti Russia sentiment over the last 18 months?


Have you noticed what Russia is up to in the last five years? All proven and documented facts? So is it anti-Russia sentiment, for which you like to frame it, or is it a reaction to what Russia actually did and thus the reaction is perfectly valid.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:49 pm

Freakysh wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Freakysh wrote:

As there is no proof either way, everyone is a suspect


Lol and that's why you are trolling. The only question is why.


Let's roll out the trolling card. FMD :roll:

Why? You haven't noticed the ramped up anti Russia sentiment over the last 18 months? :lol:

Anyways, I guess you're right. Russia did it, Putin is out of control and he needs to be stopped, let's get on with it


There's anti Russian sentiment because they've been behaving worse than usual (which is something!) in the last few years. Crimea, Syria, their disastrous economy and ongoing internal social collapse... what's to love?
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:16 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Another Russian dissident dead in London.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ondon-home


Again London? How come none of these “spy thrillers” happen in New York? It’s not like there aren’t any “dissidents” in New York.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:26 am

anrec80 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Another Russian dissident dead in London.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ondon-home


Again London? How come none of these “spy thrillers” happen in New York? It’s not like there aren’t any “dissidents” in New York.


We've had mysterious dead Russians in the US before(and in recent history), just not as insane as nerve agents or polonium as the cause of death. That we know of. Usually "blunt force trauma".

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/02/dozens-russian-deaths-cast-suspicion-vladimir-putin/100480734/
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:53 am

anrec80 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Another Russian dissident dead in London.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ondon-home


Again London? How come none of these “spy thrillers” happen in New York? It’s not like there aren’t any “dissidents” in New York.


Ask Putin.....
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:43 pm

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The UK will expel 23 Russian diplomats after Moscow refused to explain how a Russian-made nerve agent was used on a former spy in Salisbury, the PM says.

Theresa May said the diplomats, who have a week to leave, were identified as "undeclared intelligence officers".

She also revoked an invitation to Russia's foreign minister, and said the Royal Family would not attend the Fifa World Cup later this year. BBC

Well, it's a start.....

That's....pathetic.

When someone uses wmds on your soil, it is not the time to go out of your way to be restrained. Stop issuing visas to Russian citizens, give all Russian passport holders 30 days to leave the UK, cancel all flights between UK and RU, prohibit Russian trawlers from docking at UK ports, put a 500% tariff on Russian alcoholic beverages or maybe prohibit Russian citizens/businesses/trusts from holding equities in British firms and owning British real estate (that would be fun :lol: ) . Could they really not think of anything more substantial?

Would be nice if the EU and UK united together, declared that their athletes would not be attending the world cup and organised a one-off replacement tournament instead. Alternatively if they worked together to get Russia disconnected from SWIFT that might be useful.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:54 pm

Freakysh wrote:
Why? You haven't noticed the ramped up anti Russia sentiment over the last 18 months? :lol:

Absolutely!
The question is this; have you noticed all the things Russia has done to provoke anti-Russian sentiment in the last 18 mths (& before...)?
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:03 am

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Why? You haven't noticed the ramped up anti Russia sentiment over the last 18 months? :lol:

Absolutely!
The question is this; have you noticed all the things Russia has done to provoke anti-Russian sentiment in the last 18 mths (& before...)?


Hey Sheikh.

No, I haven't.

Heard something about Russia meddling with the US elections, do you mean evil stuff like that?

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Time magazine circa 1996 wrote:
Last week Russia took a historic step away from its totalitarian past. Democracy triumphed--and along with it came the tools of modern campaigns, including the trickery and slickery Americans know so well. If those tools are not always admirable, the result they helped achieve in Russia surely is.


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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:26 am

Wtf does that prove, kremlebot? How does this justify Russian actions? Hint: it doesn't.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:30 am

Jouhou wrote:
Wtf does that prove, kremlebot? How does this justify Russian actions? Hint: it doesn't.


:lol:

So what are you crying about? You can give it but can't take it, is that it?

Someone plays America's game and suddenly the sky's falling in. Grow some balls soy boy. :wave:
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:45 am

Freakysh wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
Wtf does that prove, kremlebot? How does this justify Russian actions? Hint: it doesn't.


:lol:

So what are you crying about? You can give it but can't take it, is that it?

Someone plays America's game and suddenly the sky's falling in. Grow some balls soy boy. :wave:


Naw, I don't need a sex change nor do I want to give up my vegetarianism of 18 years.

I don't care if you are an actual kremlebot or a "useful idiot" claimed by agitprop, I'm going to call out the behavior every time. Hopefully my fellow westerners can learn to identify trolling with the intent to undermine confidence in western values.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:52 am

Freakysh wrote:
No, I haven't.


wow.. i didn´t expect anyone in a aviation forum to have missed about MH17.

And then there is that little war of aggression they started......

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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:54 am

Jouhou wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
Wtf does that prove, kremlebot? How does this justify Russian actions? Hint: it doesn't.


:lol:

So what are you crying about? You can give it but can't take it, is that it?

Someone plays America's game and suddenly the sky's falling in. Grow some balls soy boy. :wave:


Naw, I don't need a sex change nor do I want to give up my vegetarianism of 18 years.

I don't care if you are an actual kremlebot or a "useful idiot" claimed by agitprop, I'm going to call out the behavior every time. Hopefully my fellow westerners can learn to identify trolling with the intent to undermine confidence in western values.


Ha ha, confidence in western values. I'm a westerner, but I'm not an idiot. I know how world politics works and I know my country plays the game like every other country in the world does. It is amusing to watch the outrage when one country does something every other country does, yet somehow on this occasion it's the devil incarnate.

Keep up with your calling out, your ability to think critically is inspirational :lol:
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