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BlueberryWheats wrote:Strangely, for me my comment appears above the OP as if I started the thread. Is this a bug with a.net?
einsteinboricua wrote:First of all, I love how you post a random blog post as evidence for a course of action (because this is the internet and you can't post anything that isn't real, right?). Second, I love the author's credentials: Primal Health Coach. It's authoritative...far outranking physician and nutritionist. And third, I love all the peer-reviewed studies that are posted to further bolster her claim.
I mean, clearly my doctors have lied to me about everything. No! This ends today: I'll trust the web and the random posts when it comes to my health.
By the way, did you know that almond milk contains a large amount of hydroxilic acid, which is known to kill people if ingested in extremely large quantities? I don't know if that would convince me to drink almond milk, however. But my doctor's didn't warn me about that either.
seb146 wrote:bruh....
Vegetarian options are worse for the environment than animal milk. Look at how much water, fertilizer, land area it takes to make a 32 oz bottle of almond juice. It is not milk. Almonds, soy, rice, etc. do not have teats. You can not milk them. Besides all that, look at all of the chemicals that need to be added to vegetarian options to get the same nutrients as in milk. That takes chemical processing and environmental damage.
BawliBooch wrote:I like my beef.
Francoflier wrote:Non-Hindu Indian, I assume?
studentdrbev wrote:einsteinboricua wrote:First of all, I love how you post a random blog post as evidence for a course of action (because this is the internet and you can't post anything that isn't real, right?). Second, I love the author's credentials: Primal Health Coach. It's authoritative...far outranking physician and nutritionist. And third, I love all the peer-reviewed studies that are posted to further bolster her claim.
I mean, clearly my doctors have lied to me about everything. No! This ends today: I'll trust the web and the random posts when it comes to my health.
By the way, did you know that almond milk contains a large amount of hydroxilic acid, which is known to kill people if ingested in extremely large quantities? I don't know if that would convince me to drink almond milk, however. But my doctor's didn't warn me about that either.
But someone who is a nutritionist can't be wrong too, can they?
seb146 wrote:bruh....
Vegetarian options are worse for the environment than animal milk. Look at how much water, fertilizer, land area it takes to make a 32 oz bottle of almond juice.
It is not milk. Almonds, soy, rice, etc. do not have teats. You can not milk them
Besides all that, look at all of the chemicals that need to be added to vegetarian options to get the same nutrients as in milk. That takes chemical processing and environmental damage.
moo wrote:Yes, a nutritionist can be wrong.
tommy1808 wrote:seb146 wrote:bruh....
Vegetarian options are worse for the environment than animal milk. Look at how much water, fertilizer, land area it takes to make a 32 oz bottle of almond juice.
Soy bean "milk" beats cow milk hands down in resource consumption.Water, phosphorous, energy, CO2, area, you name it, it is better.... even if you ship the beans from Australia and compare with local cow milk. If only soymilk didn´t taste like shit..... (de gustibus non est disputandum)
A liter of almond milk contains about 2 grams of almond, that is about two whole almonds, which take about 8 liters of water to properly grow and one liter to make up the liquid content. A liter of cow milk takes about 80 liters of water, 4 liters for the cow to drink and the rest to grow the food for the cow. Seems to me that even almond "milk" is about 10 times more water efficient as cow milk.
seb146 wrote:You say it takes a total of 9 liters of water for almond juice. What about the water for additives like vitamins and minerals and all that? How much water is used for the vanilla flavoring for some almond milk? What about in vitamin A, B, C, potassium, calcium, etc. production? What about energy to produce said vitamins and minerals?
I love my cow milk and my dairy.
Feed for cows comes from grains already being grown for human consumption, at least in the United States. So, if you eat bread, chances are that grain could also be going to cows for my ice cream.
Corn-fed (conventional): Corn-fed, also known as conventional or grain-fed, is the most widely produced kind of beef in the U.S. This is the product most consumers see in the meat case at the
supermarket.
tommy1808 wrote:Yes, that is most probably true.What? No Corn fed, no grain fed cattle in the US? Pure grass fed beef steak, yeah you can get that, but we are talking milk, and those almost always get fed extra corn.Corn-fed, also known as conventional or grain-fed, is the most widely produced kind of beef in the U.S. .
http://www.ncga.com/uploads/useruploads ... edbeef.pdf
Grazing animals for food is good if they are fed on land that is useless for pretty much anything else than grassland. If you can grow something else, that is a much more efficient way to generate nutrition.
Most adults worldwide do not produce the enzyme lactase and so are unable to digest the milk sugar lactose. However, most Europeans continue to produce lactase throughout their life, a characteristic known as lactase persistence.
Lactase persistence appears to have begun around 7,500 years ago between the central Balkans and central Europe.... and appears to have given people with it a big survival advantage. Traces of fats {in archaeological finds} also point to dairying at the onset of farming in England some 6,100 years ago.
ACDC8 wrote:I'll pass yet another trendy food scam
tommy1808 wrote:seb146 wrote:bruh....
Vegetarian options are worse for the environment than animal milk. Look at how much water, fertilizer, land area it takes to make a 32 oz bottle of almond juice.
Soy bean "milk" beats cow milk hands down in resource consumption.Water, phosphorous, energy, CO2, area, you name it, it is better.... even if you ship the beans from Australia and compare with local cow milk. If only soymilk didn´t taste like shit..... (de gustibus non est disputandum)
A liter of almond milk contains about 2 grams of almond, that is about two whole almonds, which take about 8 liters of water to properly grow and one liter to make up the liquid content. A liter of cow milk takes about 80 liters of water, 4 liters for the cow to drink and the rest to grow the food for the cow. Seems to me that even almond "milk" is about 10 times more water efficient as cow milk.It is not milk. Almonds, soy, rice, etc. do not have teats. You can not milk them
Here it is illegal to call it "milk", as it ain´t milk. Took a court ruling, but the law is pretty clear... names can not be misleading towards the content.Besides all that, look at all of the chemicals that need to be added to vegetarian options to get the same nutrients as in milk. That takes chemical processing and environmental damage.
What chemicals are involved in grinding, boiling and filtering soy beans? Oh yes.. none. It has the same protein content as cow milk, less calories (milk is food, not drink), less fat. Vitamins B12, B2 and Calcium carbonate that are often added, because soy drink falls short on that, but those are not exactly dirty chemicals to be added.... making rice or almond drink isn´t different from that.
I am sure you can screw up that process to the point where it becomes environmental damaging, but soy drink is just a byproduct of making tofu .... as long as you make that, you get it anyway.
If you want to talk deforestation or mono-culture, be my guest, but with sensible farming a season of soy tossed in is actually good for the soil quality.
That being said, i like my cow-mild, my yogurt and my cheese, but consuming less of that is a good idea on various ethical, economical and environmental counts.
best regards
Thomas
Kiwirob wrote:In countries like NZ that 80 litres of water comes from the sky, it doesn’t come from an irrigation system which diverts water from rivers etc......whereas where the majority of almonds are grown water is a scarce resource which could be used for other purposes than being wasted on almonds.
tommy1808 wrote:ACDC8 wrote:I'll pass yet another trendy food scam
i guess in this day and age any discussion based on facts and scholarship is a scam.....
best regards
Thomas
tommy1808 wrote:
i guess in this day and age any discussion based on facts and scholarship is a scam.....
einsteinboricua wrote:It's up to the OP to provide further evidence (likes studies or more research articles from licensed nutritionists and experts) to provide some rationale for the argument against drinking cow milk..
Consumption of dairy products, particularly at age 20 years, was associated with an increased risk of hip fracture in old age.