coolian2 wrote:But Jerusalem isn't the capital?
seb146 wrote:coolian2 wrote:But Jerusalem isn't the capital?
In what city does the Knesset meet? That is how I think of where a capital is.
zrs70 wrote:“Jerusalem is the capitol” I replied. “And if the Palestinians want East Jerusalem as a capitol, great. Since when does one country decide where the capitol of another should be?”
Dutchy wrote:Moving your embassy there is a stupid move.
seb146 wrote:In what city does the Knesset meet? That is how I think of where a capital is.
DIRECTFLT wrote:To the Victor... goes the spoils of war.
The other side lost.
And Jerusalem is the eternal earthly home of God.
zrs70 wrote:A few weeks ago, a friend asked me what I thought about the Israel capitol moving to Jerusalem.
“Jerusalem is the capitol” I replied. “And if the Palestinians want East Jerusalem as a capitol, great. Since when does one country decide where the capitol of another should be?”
NIKV69 wrote:This goes back to something I posted a while back. Just because you support guns it doesn't make you a far right whack. Just because you support legal immigration it doesn't make you a racist. If you support fair taxation etc. You don't have to be a conservative to to support Israel and it also doesn't mean you are a Trump supporter.
tommy1808 wrote:
Religion is the source of almost all evil. That is why religiosity and violence corelate so nicely. Best hope for the region is that religiosity is fading away fast in Israel, with 2/3 of the population already being non-religious. Few people.in the City of God think God is real. Thank god.
Best regards
Thomas
tommy1808 wrote:seb146 wrote:In what city does the Knesset meet? That is how I think of where a capital is.
So, if the Reichstag had met in Paris, it would have become the capital of Germany if they had voted to make it so?
You can not take possession of territory by force, your capital can't be in such territory.
seb146 wrote:Why not? The United States moved the capitals of Hawaii and Alaska. Besides, I was just putting my opinion on what I think of as a capital. The question of "where is the seat of government for Israel" and my answer is, "where the legislature meets."
WIederling wrote:zrs70 wrote:A few weeks ago, a friend asked me what I thought about the Israel capitol moving to Jerusalem.
“Jerusalem is the capitol” I replied. “And if the Palestinians want East Jerusalem as a capitol, great. Since when does one country decide where the capitol of another should be?”
Just to nitpick here:
There is a distinct difference between Capitol ( note the "O" ) and Capital ( for a city and note the "A" )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_city
DarkSnowyNight wrote:
The ugly reality of that is that the support for Israel here in the US and California comes almost exclusively from people who have no business being involved. To wit, white christians. "Supporting" Israel here does not involve, in any way, securing the freedom and safety of jews in that region, rather it hinges entirely on having a friendly (for now), ally in our adopted cause of containing Islamic fundamentalism in the region.
Our "concern" for Israel is no more genuine than our issue with communism in Viet Nam a few decades back.
NIKV69 wrote:I support them because I feel everyone has a right to exist without fear of being shelled or blown up at a bus station.
You also speak like stopping Islamic terror is a bad thing. Which immediately shows where you stand.
NIKV69 wrote:I support them because I feel everyone has a right to exist without fear of being shelled or blown up at a bus station.
Dutchy wrote:Action, reaction, reaction, reaction, reaction, reaction, reaction, for the past 5.000 years.
salttee wrote:Dutchy wrote:Action, reaction, reaction, reaction, reaction, reaction, reaction, for the past 5.000 years.
You have zero understanding of actual history.
That video was probably created by Camera for the purpose of muddying the water.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_lo ... ted_States
zrs70 wrote:A few weeks ago, a friend asked me what I thought about the Israel capitol moving to Jerusalem.
“Jerusalem is the capitol” I replied. “And if the Palestinians want East Jerusalem as a capitol, great. Since when does one country decide where the capitol of another should be?”
“Are you a Trump supporter,” she asked. (She knows I am an active democrat).
It really frustrated me. Support (and criticism) for/of Israel used to be bi-partisan. But Trump is so polarizing that anything he says will have a immediate and opposite reaction from the left. And Israel advocacy will become almost not existent in the Democratic Party. It’s a shame.
NIKV69 wrote:Just because Israeli Jews are a minority in this country they are our friends and I have many that I call friends. I support them because I feel everyone has a right to exist without fear of being shelled or blown up at a bus station.
NIKV69 wrote:You also speak like stopping Islamic terror is a bad thing. Which immediately shows where you stand.
Give me a break.
Dutchy wrote:What is, in your mind, the actual history? You only show a lobby in the US....
casinterest wrote:If you blindly support Israel you aren't supporting peace. you never will unless you take the time toI think support for Israel is still bipartisan. However the continued delays in finding a lasting peace are wearing on everyone . I support Israel.
casinterest wrote:Is this the poor pitiful "they're all picking on us" nonsense?There are many more people against zionism than are for it.
casinterest wrote:Hopefully going forward the Palestinians will work for peace. That is the only way to get what they want and need.
salttee wrote:casinterest wrote:If you blindly support Israel you aren't supporting peace. you never will unless you take the time toI think support for Israel is still bipartisan. However the continued delays in finding a lasting peace are wearing on everyone . I support Israel.casinterest wrote:Is this the poor pitiful "they're all picking on us" nonsense?There are many more people against zionism than are for it.casinterest wrote:Hopefully going forward the Palestinians will work for peace. That is the only way to get what they want and need.
That statement is utterly laughable. The Palestinians were a peace loving bunch of olive farmers before the Zionists invaded and drove them off their land. They brought the survivors of their failed revolution against the Tzar (the Jewish Narodniki) to the Levant so as to have an opponent which was less formidable than the Tzar's army. They have been the instigators of violence ever since. The current Zionist hierarchy is no different than those of the Ze'ev Jabotinsky era, they don't want peace; they want more land.
casinterest wrote:Are you seriously saying that one would have had to have traveled to Munich in order to know about the Nazis? To Uganda to know anout Idi Amin? To Stalinist Russia in order to understand Communism?Have you ever been to the middle east ? Have you ever been to Israel?
casinterest wrote:For years my best friend has been Palestinian. Currently the person I spend the most time with is a Jewish lady who was born in French Algeria, I also spend time at her son's place - both he and his wife served in the IDF. So, yes I'm grounded in the subject.Do you talk with folks involved in the situation?
casinterest wrote:Simple realities?My statement is not laughable when you deal with the simple realities.
casinterest wrote:So If someone murders your wife and rapes your daughter, you won't be mad at them next week because you don't live in the past?The Israeli's look to the future. The Palestinians dwell on the past, and in doing so have allowed nationalists to dictate a path of terrorism.
salttee wrote:Are you seriously saying that one would have had to have traveled to Munich in order to know about the Nazis? To Uganda to know anout Idi Amin? To Stalinist Russia in order to understand Communism?
Please let go of that one.
salttee wrote:or years my best friend has been Palestinian. Currently the person I spend the most time with is a Jewish lady who was born in French Algeria, I also spend time at her son's place - both he and his wife served in the IDF. So, yes I'm grounded in the subject.
salttee wrote:So If someone murders your wife and rapes your daughter, you won't be mad at them next week because you don't live in the past?
Somehow your worldview allows you to skip over the fact that these people have had their everything taken from them. That's a large thing to over look don't you think?
And you do know that it continues, it's ongoing - don't you?
Aesma wrote:Israel's "right to exist" is all about what happened during WW2, if that's not dwelling on the past...
casinterest wrote:Hate to break the news to you ,but for 80-90% of the region, what you are talking about happened before their lifetime. So yes, they need to look forward and not backwards.
salttee wrote:casinterest wrote:Hate to break the news to you ,but for 80-90% of the region, what you are talking about happened before their lifetime. So yes, they need to look forward and not backwards.
You are the most honest Zionist I've ever debated in an internet forum. Most of them dance around nonsensical justifications for what they have done and continue to do. You just out and out don't give a shit about the morality of your position. That's cute.
That also justifies those incoming rockets.
einsteinboricua wrote:seb146 wrote:Why not? The United States moved the capitals of Hawaii and Alaska. Besides, I was just putting my opinion on what I think of as a capital. The question of "where is the seat of government for Israel" and my answer is, "where the legislature meets."
The seat of government is not necessarily IN the capital.
Look at Bolivia and South Africa. South Africa has 3 capital cities (one for each of the branches of government). Bolivia recently designated Sucre as the constitutional capital but the seat of government remains in La Paz.
How do you untangle the mess of which city is the capital? And how do you reconcile that with international law? Sucre, for example, is not in dispute with any of Bolivia's neighbors so if Bolivia moves its capital there, it's a completely domestic affair and there's no violation of international law. If Russia decided to name Crimea as its capital and move the Federal Assembly, would you say that Crimea IS the Russian capital?
salttee wrote:Casinterest, you refuse even to look at the morality of the Zionist position, which is your position, one and the same.
To continue this discussion here would be a disservice to our host. So, I'm done.
casinterest wrote:but you should examine more about what Zionism means in a nation that has more secularism than religious inhabitants.
salttee wrote:Dutchy wrote:What is, in your mind, the actual history? You only show a lobby in the US....
Read a book, seriously I cannot teach you history here in an internet forum.
You would be good to start here, but this is just one slice of time, there's lots more.
https://www.amazon.com/Rome-Jerusalem-C ... 0375726136
But stick to actual history, not Zionist propaganda.
The earlier link was so that you could understand what Camera is.
casinterest wrote:
Hate to break the news to you ,but for 80-90% of the region, what you are talking about happened before their lifetime. So yes, they need to look forward and not backwards.
https://israelipalestinian.procon.org/v ... eID=000636
Dutchy wrote:Judging by post # 19 you seem to think it is a joke.salttee wrote:Dutchy wrote:What is, in your mind, the actual history? You only show a lobby in the US....
Read a book, seriously I cannot teach you history here in an internet forum.
You would be good to start here, but this is just one slice of time, there's lots more.
https://www.amazon.com/Rome-Jerusalem-C ... 0375726136
But stick to actual history, not Zionist propaganda.
The earlier link was so that you could understand what Camera is.
what do you think I actually believe and think about this conflict?
Kiwirob wrote:Heck, their whole world view is built around supposed injustices committed by the Egyptian Pharaohs, Assyrian king Sennacherib, Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar and the Romans. And when you actually look at the historical record, you find that their recounting of the events is hyperbole, and that's being charitable.But it’s ok for present day Jews to use what happened in WW2 as justification for their actions today, like the Palestinians WW2 happened a long time ago, long before the lifetime of almost everyone living in Israel today.
Kiwirob wrote:casinterest wrote:
Hate to break the news to you ,but for 80-90% of the region, what you are talking about happened before their lifetime. So yes, they need to look forward and not backwards.
https://israelipalestinian.procon.org/v ... eID=000636
But it’s ok for present day Jews to use what happened in WW2 as justification for there actions today, like the Palestinians WW2 happened a long time ago, long before the lifetime of almost everyone living in Israel today.
salttee wrote:Dutchy wrote:Judging by post # 19 you seem to think it is a joke.salttee wrote:Read a book, seriously I cannot teach you history here in an internet forum.
You would be good to start here, but this is just one slice of time, there's lots more.
https://www.amazon.com/Rome-Jerusalem-C ... 0375726136
But stick to actual history, not Zionist propaganda.
The earlier link was so that you could understand what Camera is.
what do you think I actually believe and think about this conflict?
But to directly answer your question, it is clear to me that you know very little about actual Jewish history.
I suspect that you also have a superficial knowledge of the infiltration and takeover in the Levant 1880 to present.
You probably have a few talking points that you use to make yourself look smart to the other uninformed, probably procedural stuff, UN resolutions, quotes from politicians: stuff like that.
DarkSnowyNight wrote:False. If you actually felt that way, you'd be in favor of the only solution, which is a two state solution.
Your posting indicates otherwise, which means that your "support" can only be indicative of being a smaller part of the broader (and hilariously myopic and failure prone) right wing foreign policy.
NIKV69 wrote:
I would love to see a post of mine that supports your assertion above.
NIKV69 wrote:how do you have a two state solution when Palestine (as well as the whole Arab world) wants you dead?
DIRECTFLT wrote:To the Victor... goes the spoils of war.
The other side lost. And Jerusalem is the eternal earthly home of God.
Fighting that is like spitting in the wind.
DarkSnowyNight wrote:
Apparently you'd love to so much that you made this post one of them. Asked and answered, see below. ..
DarkSnowyNight wrote:
The ridiculous assumption made here is something that only American right wing meddler types buy into.