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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Tue May 15, 2018 10:18 am

sevenair wrote:
#DespiteBrexit


#BrexitHasNotHappenedYet
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 1:02 am

Richard28 wrote:
sevenair wrote:
#DespiteBrexit


#BrexitHasNotHappenedYet


#ItsPointlessEvenTrying :wink2:
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 6:59 am

#WeWerePromisedMassUnemploymentHousePriceCrashesAndRecessionImmediatelyAfterTheVote
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 7:03 am

Registered for postal voting today so I did.

GE18 is brewing. I can feel it my waters. Ireland's desperate attempt to keep us in the EU and the remain ultras indulgence of thei' attempts hasn't stopped Brexit tragically.

We need the remoaners out. Real Brexiteers to deliver a real Brexit. Call it 'hard Brexit', 'Cliff Edge Brexit' or 'crashing out' if you much but get on with it.

#LeaveMeansLeave #BrexitMeansBrexit #CrashingOut #GetOnWithIt #PivotAway #JRM4PM
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 7:38 am

sevenair wrote:
Registered for postal voting today so I did.

GE18 is brewing. I can feel it my waters. Ireland's desperate attempt to keep us in the EU and the remain ultras indulgence of thei' attempts hasn't stopped Brexit tragically.

We need the remoaners out. Real Brexiteers to deliver a real Brexit. Call it 'hard Brexit', 'Cliff Edge Brexit' or 'crashing out' if you much but get on with it.

#LeaveMeansLeave #BrexitMeansBrexit #CrashingOut #GetOnWithIt #PivotAway #JRM4PM


But you were extremely pleased when the transition period was agreed, yet now want to crash out?

Have you changed your mind sevenair?
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 8:07 am

https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/eu ... a-z-index/

Maybe something to read and consider. Who created theses myths and why ?
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 8:18 am

Theresa May is planning another way to kick the can further down the road....

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According to an article from RTE, a "third option" on the customs union, which basically involves continuing with it, but calling it something different, in order to look like she has not caved and also to buy more time to sort out an alternative.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/051 ... oms-union/

looks like more fudge from TM heading our way!

The BBC also had a good article on customs checks elsewhere on EU's borders - worth a look to help understand the issues.
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 8:22 am

Olddog wrote:
https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/

Maybe something to read and consider. Who created theses myths and why ?


excellent link Olddog - thanks.

Boris Johnson no less made up a lot of them. He was based in Brussels when working for the Telegraph, who basically understood that such myths sold copy in the UK
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 1:48 pm

Still the Irish border is being used despite there being fiscal differences, differing tax levels, different currencies, different speed limits all on the same island they're claiming that Brexit can't happen! The remain ultras, the EU and Irish are all using it to keep us in the EU. It's the Irish I feel for. They're going to suffer when we 'crash out' without any trade agreement.

Has anyone figured out where Ryanair's 100+ UK based aircraft are going to pivot away to?
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 1:49 pm

Still the Irish border is being used despite there being fiscal differences, differing tax levels, different currencies, different speed limits all on the same island they're claiming that Brexit can't happen! The remain ultras, the EU and Irish are all using it to keep us in the EU. It's the Irish I feel for. They're going to suffer when we 'crash out' without any trade agreement.

Has anyone figured out where Ryanair's 100+ UK based aircraft are going to pivot away to?
If diversity really is our strength, why do you have such a fear of hearing diverse opinions or those who are differently opinionated?
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 2:21 pm

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Still the Irish border is being used despite there being fiscal differences, differing tax levels, different currencies, different speed limits all on the same island they're claiming that Brexit can't happen! The remain ultras, the EU and Irish are all using it to keep us in the EU.


What nonsense. The same can be said for many borders within the EU. Each state is sovereign and for example sets its own levels of tax.

The border issue is about the flow of trade, origin status, tariffs, quotas and border checks, connected also of course to the Good Friday agreement which we have signed up to.

Currency, speed limits, internal taxation have nothing to do with it. :lol:

sevenair wrote:
It's the Irish I feel for. They're going to suffer when we 'crash out' without any trade agreement.


Yes they would suffer by having a hard border, separating them form schools and shops etc. But hang on, how can you feel for the Irish when you now want a hard Brexit (having been pleased at punch at transition instead only weeks ago)??!

Meanwhile Dublin can benefit from our stupidity, e.g. winning Thomson Reuters foreign exchange derivative trading business (where $300 billion a day is traded) from London - more of your "project fear" slowly coming true sevenair?

http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-thomson ... ?r=US&IR=T

sevenair wrote:
Has anyone figured out where Ryanair's 100+ UK based aircraft are going to pivot away to?


pay attention sevenair, air treaties post Brexit have not been agreed or signed up as yet - so no-one knows for sure currently, but it is hoped things will be okay eventually.
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 2:51 pm

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Has anyone figured out where Ryanair's 100+ UK based aircraft are going to pivot away to?


They don't have to go anywhere. Moreover, setting up an UK subsidiary and re-register the aircraft shouldn't be a big problem. You do know that easyJet has re- registered around 100 aircraft to the Austrian register due to Brexit? Ryanair can easily re-register some 738s to the UK register when needed.
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 2:56 pm

If the Irish want no border, they are free to join the UK.
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 3:08 pm

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Has anyone figured out where Ryanair's 100+ UK based aircraft are going to pivot away to?


They don't have to go anywhere. Moreover, setting up an UK subsidiary and re-register the aircraft shouldn't be a big problem. You do know that easyJet has re- registered around 100 aircraft to the Austrian register due to Brexit? Ryanair can easily re-register some 738s to the UK register when needed.


Tongue in cheek my friend. I know fine well that Ryanair will continue to operate as normal just like EasyJet will and that flights will continue much like they do today.
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 3:10 pm

seahawk wrote:
If the Irish want no border, they are free to join the UK.


Could anyone imagine if we remaining in the EU and the Irish wanted to join the Schengen Disaster Zone and we told them they could leave because of the Irish border. It would be different then wouldn’t it?

The Irish border is just a desperate attempt to get us to stay in and to indulge the anglophobes in Ireland.
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 3:22 pm

sevenair wrote:
Could anyone imagine if we remaining in the EU and the Irish wanted to join the Schengen Disaster Zone and we told them they could leave because of the Irish border. It would be different then wouldn’t it?

The Irish border is just a desperate attempt to get us to stay in and to indulge the anglophobes in Ireland.


You must have missed that weeks homework sevenair!

Ireland specifically negotiated an opt-out of Schengen (along with the UK) in order to honour the Common Travel Area. i.e. they made concessions to honour the existing agreement with the UK.

Now we should do the same and honour the CTA and the Good Friday agreement by ensuring no hard border in our negotiations.

p.s. Have you changed your mind from loving transition a few weeks ago?
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 3:25 pm

Richard28 wrote:
Meanwhile Dublin can benefit from our stupidity, e.g. winning Thomson Reuters foreign exchange derivative trading business (where $300 billion a day is traded) from London - more of your "project fear" slowly coming true sevenair?

http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-thomson ... ?r=US&IR=T


and another:

M&G shifting £34.2 billion of investment funds form UK to Luxembourg

https://www.ftadviser.com/investments/2 ... m_content=

#BecauseOfBrexit
#ProjectFearIsReal
#exitBrexit
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 9:38 pm

A lot has been written about the possibility of a free trade agreement between the UK and US.

This Harvard Kennedy School article provides an interesting analysis:

The purpose of this research paper is to attempt to cut through the rhetoric on both sides of the Atlantic to examine whether a US-UK FTA is likely to happen and what the potential benefits might be for both countries. The research is based on interviews with senior officials in the US, UK and EU, companies that might benefit from an FTA, and a wide range of trade, academic, and sectoral experts, plus a review of existing literature on the topic.

Finding 1: The UK needs a deal, but it is unclear how committed the US is

Finding 2: There is a clear power imbalance between the US and UK

Finding 3: The UK must strike a deal with the EU before it can negotiate an FTA with the US

Finding 4: The UK will have little to gain and will have to concede more on tariff reductions than the EU offered in the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (“TTIP”)

Finding 5: The US demands on non-tariff and regulatory issues will be politically contentious and difficult for the UK to meet

Finding 7: The US cannot, or will not, concede on many British non-tariff and regulatory objectives

Conclusion: Both US and UK officials are doubtful that a meaningful deal can be reached.


https://www.hks.harvard.edu/sites/defau ... 0FINAL.pdf
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Thu May 17, 2018 12:09 am

sevenair wrote:
Tongue in cheek my friend. I know fine well that Ryanair will continue to operate as normal just like EasyJet will and that flights will continue much like they do today.


Well, easyJet is currently transferring their planes to "easyJet Europe" and re-registering them all in Austria. :scratchchin:
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Thu May 17, 2018 7:30 am

US trade deals are not looking rosy for the UK

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Reported in the Daily Express (of all places) that US intends to use negotiations to increase UK drug prices for the NHS to benefit the US consumer.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/96095 ... ion-prices
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 3fb50c4848

#ExitBrexit
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Thu May 17, 2018 8:11 am

If drug companies are ripping off US consumers because they lack the buying power of the NHS, perhaps the US needs to create it’s own Government buying organisation.
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Thu May 17, 2018 9:30 am

bennett123 wrote:
If drug companies are ripping off US consumers because they lack the buying power of the NHS, perhaps the US needs to create it’s own Government buying organisation.

The problem is the US Government doesn't buy pharmaceutical products. That is down to the hospitals and pharmacy chains and what they negotiate from the drug company/distributor.
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Thu May 17, 2018 10:52 am

sevenair wrote:
Registered for postal voting today so I did.

GE18 is brewing. I can feel it my waters. Ireland's desperate attempt to keep us in the EU and the remain ultras indulgence of thei' attempts hasn't stopped Brexit tragically.

We need the remoaners out. Real Brexiteers to deliver a real Brexit. Call it 'hard Brexit', 'Cliff Edge Brexit' or 'crashing out' if you much but get on with it.

#LeaveMeansLeave #BrexitMeansBrexit #CrashingOut #GetOnWithIt #PivotAway #JRM4PM


Did you feel this your waters too?

"Britain prepared to stay tied to customs union beyond 2021 after Theresa May 'outguns' Brexiteers"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... on-beyond/

Beyond 2021 is what... 5+ years since the Brexit vote?
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Thu May 17, 2018 10:52 am

Duplicate.
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Thu May 17, 2018 11:06 am

The Republic of Ireland are saying that no agreement is remotely close on the Irish border and that a hard Brexit is looking like a "serious possibility"

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so much for the referendum lie "They need us more than we need them" and the pledges that a deal with the EU will be easy.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 55591.html

#ExitBrexit
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Thu May 17, 2018 12:59 pm

Richard28 wrote:
Richard28 wrote:
Meanwhile Dublin can benefit from our stupidity, e.g. winning Thomson Reuters foreign exchange derivative trading business (where $300 billion a day is traded) from London - more of your "project fear" slowly coming true sevenair?

http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-thomson ... ?r=US&IR=T


and another:

M&G shifting £34.2 billion of investment funds form UK to Luxembourg

https://www.ftadviser.com/investments/2 ... m_content=



and another

Columbia Threadneedle moving £6.2billion of investment funds out of the UK

https://www.ftadviser.com/investments/2 ... exit-lead/

#exitBrexit
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Thu May 17, 2018 8:18 pm

Seems like UK want to stay inside Custom union (without calling it Custom Union) until further notice;

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit- ... ompromise/

So this solves Ireland border, border troubles UK France etc.

I read it like Uk government finally surrenders ;-)
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Fri May 18, 2018 10:07 am

olle wrote:
Seems like UK want to stay inside Custom union (without calling it Custom Union) until further notice;

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit- ... ompromise/

So this solves Ireland border, border troubles UK France etc.

I read it like Uk government finally surrenders ;-)


As always more Fudge!

They don't want "the" customs union, so will call it something else, that does exactly the same thing, to look like they've done something different, whilst they continue to work on "new technology" which has got nowhere in the last two years, has never got anywhere elsewhere in the world, and will likely not get anywhere in the near future either.

The lunacy is even more apparent when you consider why Theresa May doesn't want "The" Customs Union.... it's to drop the common external tariff so we can do our "own" trade deals... the side effect of which will involve chucking out 65 perfectly functioning ones, and many more new ones that will no doubt be in place by the time this farce ends.

Political idealism gone mad.

The Customs Union is good for business, good for borders (but not the whole answer), good for trade deals. Its just bad for the likes of JRM who wants to play with his own toys (and sod the consequences)

time to re-think this nonsense!

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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Fri May 18, 2018 10:15 am

Speaking of borders, is there any plans to deal with the queues when the French start doing full checks at Dover (For those that don't know the Dover/Folkestone to Calais Ferry/Train uses a form of pre-clearance where passport/immigration formalities are carried out prior to boarding the train/boat). Last time they decided to check all passports the queues went back to Maidstone. Is it down to the ports to expand the facilities for Border Force/French Police or the responsibility of BF/French Police?
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Fri May 18, 2018 11:53 am

FabDiva wrote:
Speaking of borders, is there any plans to deal with the queues when the French start doing full checks at Dover (For those that don't know the Dover/Folkestone to Calais Ferry/Train uses a form of pre-clearance where passport/immigration formalities are carried out prior to boarding the train/boat). Last time they decided to check all passports the queues went back to Maidstone. Is it down to the ports to expand the facilities for Border Force/French Police or the responsibility of BF/French Police?


That's Le Touquet agreement on juxtaposed border controls. Costs are shared, on both sides of the channel.

UK to pay extra £44.5m for Calais security in Anglo-French deal
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rench-deal
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Mon May 21, 2018 8:58 am

Back to Northern Ireland. Quite an extensive survey.

https://www.qub.ac.uk/sites/brexitni/Br ... 734,en.pdf

The short of it is, support for remain has risen up to 69% (up from 56% on the referendum), people still want to remain British by a wide margin and most people don't think the camera-based border will work and have very little faith on either of the governments actors (Westminster, DUP) or the opposition (SF, Labour) to work it out.
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Mon May 21, 2018 11:46 am

The atricle is behind a paywall, so I cant read the rest of it, however Gove says that:

" Britain is now one of the countries with the “warmest attitude to migration” in Europe and said that the Brexit vote has “boosted liberalism”. "

what planet is this man living on? :roll:

Brexit is all about controlling Immigration (even though we could have done that in the EU) and liberal, no - it is not a coincidence that UKIP and the Brexit faction of the Tory party are on the far right of the party. Blimey!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... acks-snps/

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