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Richard28 wrote:In other news the effects of Brexit negotiations on the NHS are already being felt with further data on EU27 Nurses leaving the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... up-britain
3,962 EU nurses left the NHS last year, and only 805 joined (down from 6,382 the year before).
Arion640 wrote:Can I ask the pro EU clan why Qatar Airways are adding Two new UK destinations? Why Emirates are adding Stansted and the Chinese airlines are adding heaps of UK flights? I thought we would be worse off with brexit?
My employer is creating 1500 new high skilled, high paid jobs in my local city, why is this?
I invite people to comment.
Richard28 wrote:Arion640 wrote:Can I ask the pro EU clan why Qatar Airways are adding Two new UK destinations? Why Emirates are adding Stansted and the Chinese airlines are adding heaps of UK flights? I thought we would be worse off with brexit?
My employer is creating 1500 new high skilled, high paid jobs in my local city, why is this?
I invite people to comment.
Qatar and emirates are expanding because there is demand and they want to increase market share?
I don’t know who your employer is or what they do, so don’t know the answer here!
Arion640 wrote:I thought remainers predicted economic turmoil?
Aesma wrote:Yes Brexit will have an overall negative impact, not be negative for everything.
As for your examples, Brexit hasn't happened yet. Adding new frequencies for airlines is not like building a plant, they can always leave pretty fast when Brexit actually happens, if it has a negative impact on the routes.
Arion640 wrote:I can give you an example of a plant that will open creating 750 jobs, in 2019, after brexit.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.wale ... 285750.amp
While brexit hasn't happened, it's less than a year away, most companies plan 10 years in advance so I would have expected a mass exodus.
LJ wrote:Looks like non-EU/EEA/Swiss nationals will need to pay EUR 7 to visit the Schegen area (entry fee valid for 3 years) as of January 2020 (or at least, that's the current planning).
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018/04/25/european-travel-information-and-authorisation-system-etias-council-confirms-agreement-with-european-parliament/
https://etias.com/
Richard28 wrote:Just a shame that EUR7 does not buy you back the right to live, work, retire and have an indexing state pension in the EU27 that we are set to lose
LJ wrote:Looks like non-EU/EEA/Swiss nationals will need to pay EUR 7 to visit the Schegen area (entry fee valid for 3 years) as of January 2020 (or at least, that's the current planning).
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018/04/25/european-travel-information-and-authorisation-system-etias-council-confirms-agreement-with-european-parliament/
https://etias.com/
Richard28 wrote:It is interesting to see also some Tories now trying to muddy the waters with this issue. Dan Hannan has an article in the Express here arguing that a Customs Union is not necessary and looking at the Swiss model.
He however conveniently looks over the fact that Switzerland is in EFTA and also in the Schengen area (so crossing Threresa Mays "red lines"). There are other such articles in the press this week - there is a lot of positioning going on ahead of the CU commons vote next month.
Richard28 wrote:3,962 EU nurses left the NHS last year, and only 805 joined (down from 6,382 the year before).
prebennorholm wrote:Is that a problem? If so, then pay them the same amount in Euro as before the UK pound began to shrink December 2015, then they will turn back. They (or most of them) come to earn money, not to play Mother Teresa.
Richard28 wrote:think about why Sterling tanked against the euro (i.e. leaving the EU/SM/CU), and do something about it - perhaps re-consider these options. It would be cheaper, and do the economy some good as well!
Richard28 wrote:2) Give all nurses an uplift of about 12% - that would cost a lot of money - remember its taken the government 7 years to give nurses an inflationary rise let alone that (cost of that 6.5% pay rise (not just nurses) over 3 years is £3.3bn)
Dutchy wrote:Richard28 wrote:2) Give all nurses an uplift of about 12% - that would cost a lot of money - remember its taken the government 7 years to give nurses an inflationary rise let alone that (cost of that 6.5% pay rise (not just nurses) over 3 years is £3.3bn)
That should not be a problem, given that there will go £ 350m a week extra to the NHS
Arion640 wrote:My mind was made up to vote leave long before the big red bus made an appearence.
Richard28 wrote:Arion640 wrote:My mind was made up to vote leave long before the big red bus made an appearence.
can I ask your reasons why?
Arion640 wrote:
sabenapilot wrote:Remember the preferred solution now advocated by these politicians is for Britain to go GLOBALLY?!
Arion640 wrote:Richard28 wrote:Arion640 wrote:My mind was made up to vote leave long before the big red bus made an appearence.
can I ask your reasons why?
I felt things were getting out of control, especially in my home town. In recent years we have seen huge ammounts of migrants move in, putting immense pressure on the local Hospital, schools and housing. I would like to buy a house one day and demand is increasing rapidly just driving up the house prices. Houses are being built at the expense of greenfield sites which we will never get back. I could of told you all this 5 years ago.
I'm in no way racist or have anything against migrants. It is not their fault one bit, it's the fault of the EU. If i'd been born into a rich family and had everything handed to me on a plate it would of been a different story.
I'm also not anti immigration, I think it's great people want to come here and work. But I also think we should be able to control who is coming and at what pace.
Net migration should be 50k/year max not pushing 300,000 as it has been.
Richard28 wrote:Arion640 wrote:
Thanks for your insight
The immigration issue does seem to be the main factor for most of the leave vote.
I do wonder if the Belgian solution to this would have been acceptable (most people it would seem did not known about this pre-referendum - even me to be honest!), where even EU citizens need to show that they can support themselves financially and provide health insurance - so not relying on state run health services if staying over three months.
details are here:
https://www.expatica.com/be/visas-and-p ... 43311.html
Had the UK adopted thsee kind of measures would this have altered your view?
mmo wrote:But, in reality, the EU citizens coming to work and live in the UK are not a drain on the economy and despite what the fake news would have you believe, they are very productive members of society.
Arion640 wrote:I'm also not anti immigration, I think it's great people want to come here and work. But I also think we should be able to control who is coming and at what pace. Net migration should be 50k/year max not pushing 300,000 as it has been.
JJJ wrote:Arion640 wrote:Richard28 wrote:
can I ask your reasons why?
I felt things were getting out of control, especially in my home town. In recent years we have seen huge ammounts of migrants move in, putting immense pressure on the local Hospital, schools and housing. I would like to buy a house one day and demand is increasing rapidly just driving up the house prices. Houses are being built at the expense of greenfield sites which we will never get back. I could of told you all this 5 years ago.
I'm in no way racist or have anything against migrants. It is not their fault one bit, it's the fault of the EU. If i'd been born into a rich family and had everything handed to me on a plate it would of been a different story.
I'm also not anti immigration, I think it's great people want to come here and work. But I also think we should be able to control who is coming and at what pace.
Net migration should be 50k/year max not pushing 300,000 as it has been.
Yet with immigration numbers as they are UK business complains about lack of skills and cheap labour, and unemployed are at all-times low. If infrastructures and services cannot cope with the pace of economy that's entirely on the UK government policies, through tax and investment.
Successive governments have been decades kicking the can down the road because that needs money, and money comes from taxes (and taxes are bad).
So this is another cake case. You can't base your economy on international expertise and cheap labour then complain that those immigrants strain housing and healthcare if you don't match growth with investment.
Richard28 wrote:sabenapilot wrote:Remember the preferred solution now advocated by these politicians is for Britain to go GLOBALLY?!
Don't fall for the spin sabenapilot!
Arion640 wrote:JJJ wrote:Arion640 wrote:
I felt things were getting out of control, especially in my home town. In recent years we have seen huge ammounts of migrants move in, putting immense pressure on the local Hospital, schools and housing. I would like to buy a house one day and demand is increasing rapidly just driving up the house prices. Houses are being built at the expense of greenfield sites which we will never get back. I could of told you all this 5 years ago.
I'm in no way racist or have anything against migrants. It is not their fault one bit, it's the fault of the EU. If i'd been born into a rich family and had everything handed to me on a plate it would of been a different story.
I'm also not anti immigration, I think it's great people want to come here and work. But I also think we should be able to control who is coming and at what pace.
Net migration should be 50k/year max not pushing 300,000 as it has been.
Yet with immigration numbers as they are UK business complains about lack of skills and cheap labour, and unemployed are at all-times low. If infrastructures and services cannot cope with the pace of economy that's entirely on the UK government policies, through tax and investment.
Successive governments have been decades kicking the can down the road because that needs money, and money comes from taxes (and taxes are bad).
So this is another cake case. You can't base your economy on international expertise and cheap labour then complain that those immigrants strain housing and healthcare if you don't match growth with investment.
If you can't acknowledge that there's a demand side to the lack of available services there's something wrong. granted things get under funded, but it's not the job of a UK Government to be constantly finding money just because people that weren't born here want to live here. It would be a never ending cycle.
I don't want to see greenfield sites being constantly turned over for Infrastructure.
JJJ wrote:Arion640 wrote:JJJ wrote:
Yet with immigration numbers as they are UK business complains about lack of skills and cheap labour, and unemployed are at all-times low. If infrastructures and services cannot cope with the pace of economy that's entirely on the UK government policies, through tax and investment.
Successive governments have been decades kicking the can down the road because that needs money, and money comes from taxes (and taxes are bad).
So this is another cake case. You can't base your economy on international expertise and cheap labour then complain that those immigrants strain housing and healthcare if you don't match growth with investment.
If you can't acknowledge that there's a demand side to the lack of available services there's something wrong. granted things get under funded, but it's not the job of a UK Government to be constantly finding money just because people that weren't born here want to live here. It would be a never ending cycle.
I don't want to see greenfield sites being constantly turned over for Infrastructure.
As someone pointed out already, supply and demand.
You can't bask in the light of look how well our companies are doing without acknowledging that is thanks to an influx of foreigners who need housing and healthcare pretty much the same as other human beings.
Pocketing the extra tax revenue but not fixing the supply/demand equation is the pure definition of kicking the can down the road. Bad planning (or a total lack thereof might be more correct).
Alternatively freeze the economy, tax or regulate the hell out of those companies so that they don't need as many employees (foreigners or otherwise).
Arion640 wrote:
If you can't acknowledge that there's a demand side to the lack of available services there's something wrong. granted things get under funded, but it's not the job of a UK Government to be constantly finding money just because people that weren't born here want to live here. It would be a never ending cycle.
I don't want to see greenfield sites being constantly turned over for Infrastructure.
Arion640 wrote:JJJ wrote:Arion640 wrote:
If you can't acknowledge that there's a demand side to the lack of available services there's something wrong. granted things get under funded, but it's not the job of a UK Government to be constantly finding money just because people that weren't born here want to live here. It would be a never ending cycle.
I don't want to see greenfield sites being constantly turned over for Infrastructure.
As someone pointed out already, supply and demand.
You can't bask in the light of look how well our companies are doing without acknowledging that is thanks to an influx of foreigners who need housing and healthcare pretty much the same as other human beings.
Pocketing the extra tax revenue but not fixing the supply/demand equation is the pure definition of kicking the can down the road. Bad planning (or a total lack thereof might be more correct).
Alternatively freeze the economy, tax or regulate the hell out of those companies so that they don't need as many employees (foreigners or otherwise).
Again you see, you're not taking into account of what I actually said. I did say I'm for immigration to some extent, just not unsustainable levels we have been seeing!
seahawk wrote:Brexit is like the Battle of Britain. One has to pay every price and bear every burden for the freedom of the UK.
seahawk wrote:It would be best for the UK, as the politicians there will no longer have the EU to blame for their problems
seahawk wrote:The whole decision never was about facts, it was a about feelings and the feeling was based on a long cultivated us versus them attitude when it comes to the EU
zkojq wrote:This is just too good
zkojq wrote:This is just too good
Richard28 wrote:wow, Hard Brexit, seriously?? everyone to their own opinion I guess.seahawk wrote:It would be best for the UK, as the politicians there will no longer have the EU to blame for their problems
No no no, after Brexit, whatever happens next, the same old politicians will always blame the EU for what transpires.
Leopords can't change their spots.
The EU has been an easy scapegoat up to now and will regrettably continue to be so in the future, if not more so.
LTenEleven wrote:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-talks-latest-eu-immigration-free-movement-offer-a8326101.html#commentsDiv
Britain set to offer EU Brexit immigration deal 'very similar' to free movement
scbriml wrote:zkojq wrote:This is just too good
Their outrage is very amusing, but the simple reality is that a £6 fee for the right to visit the EU for three years is peanuts.
Some of the comments are...