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The Latest Profile in Republican Moral Courage

Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:06 pm

Eric Greitens, the Governor of Missouri, is refusing to step down after having some sort of S&M affair with his hair stylist.

It was not even 3 years ago that he wrote this during his campaign:

“Liars, cowards, sociopaths,” he wrote of people he had met during his brief time in politics. “They are often deeply broken and disturbed people, who — like criminals who prey on the innocent — take their pleasure and make their living by victimizing honest people. They are drawn to politics as vultures flock to rotting meat — and they feed off the carcasses of vice.”

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(Of course our friends NoTime et al will point out he was a Democrat prior to 2015, so therefore he, er, still is one like David Duke.)
 
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:14 pm

His Governorship as a whole has, however, been quite successful. I suppose that the State GOP will be debating whether it is easier to just let this blow over. Sure, there's no good time for this sort of thing to come out, but it certainly hasn't leaked at the worst possible time for him. His position prior to this scandal was very strong indeed - perhaps strong enough for him to weather the storm. I'll make no judgment on morality here, I'm just looking at it from a strategical point of view.
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:26 pm

Eh it's going to be the same thing as every other time: new testament, pussy grabbin' and paid off porn stars for me, old testament for you.
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Re: The Latest Profile in Republican Moral Courage

Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:30 pm

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His Governorship as a whole has, however, been quite successful. I suppose that the State GOP will be debating whether it is easier to just let this blow over. Sure, there's no good time for this sort of thing to come out, but it certainly hasn't leaked at the worst possible time for him. His position prior to this scandal was very strong indeed - perhaps strong enough for him to weather the storm. I'll make no judgment on morality here, I'm just looking at it from a strategical point of view.


At the end of the day, I agree—it probably shouldn’t matter for the reasons you describe. That said, if he does stay on, I fully expect him to take some moralistic position on legislation, eg “religious freedom.”

Think of what a country the U.S. could be if we didn’t try to legislate morality.
 
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:40 pm

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At the end of the day, I agree—it probably shouldn’t matter for the reasons you describe. That said, if he does stay on, I fully expect him to take some moralistic position on legislation, eg “religious freedom.”

Think of what a country the U.S. could be if we didn’t try to legislate morality.


A pretty awesome one.

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Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:01 pm

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At the end of the day, I agree—it probably shouldn’t matter for the reasons you describe. That said, if he does stay on, I fully expect him to take some moralistic position on legislation, eg “religious freedom.”


That's quite possible. If the GOP does choose to stand by him, then he wouldn't be in a position to veto any of their bills for the remainder of his term. So, to use your example, if they wanted to pass some sort of "religious freedom" law in the mold of that passed in Indiana under Mike Pence, he'd probably have little recourse to push back on that. Now, if he were to win a second term in just under three years time, then that's a different matter. But for the time being; his best option is probably to cling tightly to both the core support base of the party in Missouri, and their elected representatives.

I'm sure it would be possible to find a way to spin this as a "story of repentance and redemption" in time for the next election. Again; I'm not commenting on the morality of doing so; but if he's strategically smart about how he plays this, then this doesn't have to be a millstone around his neck forever.
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:05 pm

I was wondering what time today we'd get the daily "selected outrage" story about Republicans/Christians/Trump.
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:13 pm

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I was wondering what time today we'd get the daily "selected outrage" story about Republicans/Christians/Trump.


Kind of like reading Bozo’s Twitter account, eh?
 
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:37 pm

jetero wrote:
KLDC10 wrote:
His Governorship as a whole has, however, been quite successful. I suppose that the State GOP will be debating whether it is easier to just let this blow over. Sure, there's no good time for this sort of thing to come out, but it certainly hasn't leaked at the worst possible time for him. His position prior to this scandal was very strong indeed - perhaps strong enough for him to weather the storm. I'll make no judgment on morality here, I'm just looking at it from a strategical point of view.


At the end of the day, I agree—it probably shouldn’t matter for the reasons you describe. That said, if he does stay on, I fully expect him to take some moralistic position on legislation, eg “religious freedom.”

Think of what a country the U.S. could be if we didn’t try to legislate morality.

Like religious freedom to shackle your dozen kids in the basement! #blessed
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:09 pm

What bugs a lot of people when politicians are not following their marriage vows, is that it sets them up for extortion by certain interest groups over the people to disclose it to get their deals and argues that if disloyal to their spouse, they will be disloyal to their citizens.
 
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Re: The Latest Profile in Republican Moral Courage

Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:18 am

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His Governorship as a whole has, however, been quite successful.

Missouri's legislature is overwhelmingly Republican. Former Gov. Jay Nixon (D) had a majority of his vetoes overridden. The only big piece of legislation in recent memory that was vetoed and not overridden was "Right to Work", but as soon as Greitens was elected, Republicans swiftly passed the law which he signed. And it's on hold because it's gonna go to a vote in 2018.

So tell me: aside from a PR standpoint, how is a governor willing to sign laws more successful than one who can't work with legislature because in the end it overrides his veto, especially if in the end you get what you want? If anything Greitens just serves as an enabler while any Democrat is a lame duck. That's what happens with legislatures that have supermajorities.
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:41 am

Brick wrote:
I was wondering what time today we'd get the daily "selected outrage" story about Republicans/Christians/Trump.


Yep low quality thread to say the least. If GOP stands by this person etc. The mid terms are going to be silly season on steroids.
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Re: The Latest Profile in Republican Moral Courage

Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:43 am

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(Of course our friends NoTime et al will point out he was a Democrat prior to 2015, so therefore he, er, still is one like David Duke.)


:lol: :lol: :lol:

This guy is 43 years old. He was a democrat until he turned 41 years old.

Come on, man. This is a stretch, even by your standards. It smells of desperation.
 
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Re: The Latest Profile in Republican Moral Courage

Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:53 am

NoTime wrote:
jetero wrote:
(Of course our friends NoTime et al will point out he was a Democrat prior to 2015, so therefore he, er, still is one like David Duke.)


:lol: :lol: :lol:

This guy is 43 years old. He was a democrat until he turned 41 years old.

Come on, man. This is a stretch, even by your standards. It smells of desperation.


Thanks for proving my point.

Only in Whack-job Repub World would a governor with an R after his name in the only political office has ever held be called a Democrat.
 
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:08 am

jetero wrote:
NoTime wrote:
jetero wrote:
(Of course our friends NoTime et al will point out he was a Democrat prior to 2015, so therefore he, er, still is one like David Duke.)


:lol: :lol: :lol:

This guy is 43 years old. He was a democrat until he turned 41 years old.

Come on, man. This is a stretch, even by your standards. It smells of desperation.


Thanks for proving my point.

Only in Whack-job Repub World would a governor with an R after his name in the only political office has ever held be called a Democrat.


He was a democrat, by his own admission, for ~95% of his life. But, whatever helps you maintain your sense of moral superiority, chief...
 
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:38 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Brick wrote:
I was wondering what time today we'd get the daily "selected outrage" story about Republicans/Christians/Trump.


Yep low quality thread to say the least. If GOP stands by this person etc. The mid terms are going to be silly season on steroids.

Agreed. She was of legal age and it was consensual—totally out of character for the GOP :rotfl:
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:40 am

NoTime wrote:
jetero wrote:
NoTime wrote:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

This guy is 43 years old. He was a democrat until he turned 41 years old.

Come on, man. This is a stretch, even by your standards. It smells of desperation.


Thanks for proving my point.

Only in Whack-job Repub World would a governor with an R after his name in the only political office has ever held be called a Democrat.


He was a democrat, by his own admission, for ~95% of his life. But, whatever helps you maintain your sense of moral superiority, chief...


Well why not take this to its (il)logical conclusion?

Donald Trump is a Democrat.
 
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:43 am

jetero wrote:
NoTime wrote:
jetero wrote:

Thanks for proving my point.

Only in Whack-job Repub World would a governor with an R after his name in the only political office has ever held be called a Democrat.


He was a democrat, by his own admission, for ~95% of his life. But, whatever helps you maintain your sense of moral superiority, chief...


Well why not take this to its (il)logical conclusion?

Donald Trump is a Democrat.


a looking glass pure democrat. Just like Putin :D

NIKV69 wrote:
Brick wrote:
I was wondering what time today we'd get the daily "selected outrage" story about Republicans/Christians/Trump.


Yep low quality thread to say the least. If GOP stands by this person etc. The mid terms are going to be silly season on steroids.


Yup, always fun when decades of pretend morals fly into the face of bigots.

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Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:04 am

einsteinboricua wrote:
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His Governorship as a whole has, however, been quite successful.

Missouri's legislature is overwhelmingly Republican. Former Gov. Jay Nixon (D) had a majority of his vetoes overridden. The only big piece of legislation in recent memory that was vetoed and not overridden was "Right to Work", but as soon as Greitens was elected, Republicans swiftly passed the law which he signed. And it's on hold because it's gonna go to a vote in 2018.

So tell me: aside from a PR standpoint, how is a governor willing to sign laws more successful than one who can't work with legislature because in the end it overrides his veto, especially if in the end you get what you want? If anything Greitens just serves as an enabler while any Democrat is a lame duck. That's what happens with legislatures that have supermajorities.


A Governor who constantly vetoes even though he knows that there is a veto-proof majority in the legislature is less likely to get a seat at the table and input into the legislation. A Governor who signs laws tends to be viewed by a legislature as "someone we can work with", and more likely to be afforded input into the legislation.
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:51 pm

jetero wrote:
NoTime wrote:
jetero wrote:

Thanks for proving my point.

Only in Whack-job Repub World would a governor with an R after his name in the only political office has ever held be called a Democrat.


He was a democrat, by his own admission, for ~95% of his life. But, whatever helps you maintain your sense of moral superiority, chief...


Well why not take this to its (il)logical conclusion?

Donald Trump is a Democrat.


Also . . . Hillary Clinton is a Republican. How could I forget that?!
 
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Re: The Latest Profile in Republican Moral Courage

Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:49 pm

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A Governor who signs laws tends to be viewed by a legislature as "someone we can work with", and more likely to be afforded input into the legislation.

Sorry to bring this back from the dead, but I wanted to reply to this.

A governor willing to sign laws from a legislature dominated by his political opponents is not "someone we can work with". In the end, the governor also has to stand for something. A pro-life Democrat signing an abortion ban in a deal to get something from the legislature is the definition of a hypocrite, especially when the legislature has no obligation to honor such a deal. When election time comes, they're hammered by their own party for selling them out and by the opposition for selling their party and constituents out and for not standing for something.

The point I'm trying to make is that if your state legislature already has a veto-proof majority, the governor is a lame duck no matter which party they're from: they either enable legislation by signing it (whether because they wholeheartedly support it or there's a give and take for which they find it acceptable) or their vetoes are overridden (even if they're from the same party).

The real governance comes from split government where either or both chambers are majority-opposition but not enough for veto override, or where there's a difference in ideological views (such as an alliance of social liberals and fiscal conservatives from both parties).

Again, if Greitens signs legislation from the overwhelmingly GOP legislature, it's not because he's doing a great job. He either supports it and enables it with his signature or he'll likely be overridden if enough legislators feel like they don't need his signature. There's likely no input from MO Democrats and the bills pass with GOP votes only (unless it's an issue of unity where Democrats would be fools to oppose).

In a way, that's why I like Puerto Rico's system of government. No party may have over 66% of the seats in a chamber. If there is a wave election where a party gets over 66% of the seats (as it happened in 2008), the minority party gets seats until the balance in the chamber stands where the majority party is at 66%. It ensures that any veto override has to have the support of at least one member of the minority. If the governor is from the same party, it's really a moot point; but if from the opposition, it prevents tyranny of the majority.
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I find it interesting that ANY Republican MAN who resigns amidst scandal is fallable and needs to be forgiven by last week and any rightie or Republican agrees within seconds but ALL Democrats hate America and need to be removed NOW!
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Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:40 am

Republican Moral courage? There is no such thing with tRump in office.
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Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:24 am

Why does what is does after work result in him having to resign Work?

About one in five adults in monogamous relationships, or 22 percent, have cheated on their current partner. The rate iseven higher among married men. And nearly half of people admit to being unfaithful at some point in their lives.

Should half of the worlds population resign?
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Why does what is does after work result in him having to resign Work?

About one in five adults in monogamous relationships, or 22 percent, have cheated on their current partner. The rate iseven higher among married men. And nearly half of people admit to being unfaithful at some point in their lives.

Should half of the worlds population resign?


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The preaching vs reality issue will (should) see him losing his post at the next election.

If the electorate fall For the ‘god forgives me, send money’ line, that’s their fault. More fool them.


In the UK, a major charity is being slaughtered because some of their staff slept with hookers in Haiti. Surely that isn’t the fault of the charity??
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Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:31 pm

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Why does what is does after work result in him having to resign Work?

About one in five adults in monogamous relationships, or 22 percent, have cheated on their current partner. The rate iseven higher among married men. And nearly half of people admit to being unfaithful at some point in their lives.

Should half of the worlds population resign?


The Republican Party believes that marriage is a sacred institution given by God to be between one man and one woman. They refuse to let LGBTQ+ participate in marriage because that would take away from the sanctity of marriage. When we find out that Republicans can't even follow their own rules, they need to be called out on it.
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seb146 wrote:
BestWestern wrote:
Why does what is does after work result in him having to resign Work?

About one in five adults in monogamous relationships, or 22 percent, have cheated on their current partner. The rate iseven higher among married men. And nearly half of people admit to being unfaithful at some point in their lives.

Should half of the worlds population resign?


The Republican Party believes that marriage is a sacred institution given by God to be between one man and one woman. They refuse to let LGBTQ+ participate in marriage because that would take away from the sanctity of marriage. When we find out that Republicans can't even follow their own rules, they need to be called out on it.


Amen ... grew up being told I was going to die and most certainly couldn’t have a long-term relationship with anyone because we’re all a bunch of whores. Got to see all of that play out politically and put to a vote. Not sure I’d even wish that on Voldemort NoTime.

But, am celebrating 15 years including 5 in exile because I couldn’t sponsor him for citizenship until a decision by “activist judges” that, at the end of the day, meant that I was treated the same as if DirectFlt met his wife during grad school who happened to be from Mexico.

When you walk in my shoes, you can lecture me on what it takes to keep a family together.

Otherwise, I will happily point fingers at any imperfect politician who is happy to make my life subject to a vote just so he can get one of the same.

They have no leg to stand on because the American religious right ideal has NEVER existed. It’s a pugilistic dream.

P.S. Congrats Seb, happy to hear you took the plunge. Picture you and brosband in matching flannel, which sounds strangely lesbian!
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:21 am

jetero wrote:
seb146 wrote:
BestWestern wrote:
Why does what is does after work result in him having to resign Work?

About one in five adults in monogamous relationships, or 22 percent, have cheated on their current partner. The rate iseven higher among married men. And nearly half of people admit to being unfaithful at some point in their lives.

Should half of the worlds population resign?


The Republican Party believes that marriage is a sacred institution given by God to be between one man and one woman. They refuse to let LGBTQ+ participate in marriage because that would take away from the sanctity of marriage. When we find out that Republicans can't even follow their own rules, they need to be called out on it.


Amen ... grew up being told I was going to die and most certainly couldn’t have a long-term relationship with anyone because we’re all a bunch of whores. Got to see all of that play out politically and put to a vote. Not sure I’d even wish that on Voldemort NoTime.

But, am celebrating 15 years including 5 in exile because I couldn’t sponsor him for citizenship until a decision by “activist judges” that, at the end of the day, meant that I was treated the same as if DirectFlt met his wife during grad school who happened to be from Mexico.

When you walk in my shoes, you can lecture me on what it takes to keep a family together.

Otherwise, I will happily point fingers at any imperfect politician who is happy to make my life subject to a vote just so he can get one of the same.

They have no leg to stand on because the American religious right ideal has NEVER existed. It’s a pugilistic dream.

P.S. Congrats Seb, happy to hear you took the plunge. Picture you and brosband in matching flannel, which sounds strangely lesbian!


Thanks for the detailed responses. I keep forgetting Church and GOP in the US are essentially one.

In Ireland, the Catholic Church lost its power due to some famous priests Preaching one thing and screwing something else. Hopefully the US right can see the light and keep religion out of politics.
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:57 am

BestWestern wrote:
jetero wrote:
seb146 wrote:

The Republican Party believes that marriage is a sacred institution given by God to be between one man and one woman. They refuse to let LGBTQ+ participate in marriage because that would take away from the sanctity of marriage. When we find out that Republicans can't even follow their own rules, they need to be called out on it.


Amen ... grew up being told I was going to die and most certainly couldn’t have a long-term relationship with anyone because we’re all a bunch of whores. Got to see all of that play out politically and put to a vote. Not sure I’d even wish that on Voldemort NoTime.

But, am celebrating 15 years including 5 in exile because I couldn’t sponsor him for citizenship until a decision by “activist judges” that, at the end of the day, meant that I was treated the same as if DirectFlt met his wife during grad school who happened to be from Mexico.

When you walk in my shoes, you can lecture me on what it takes to keep a family together.

Otherwise, I will happily point fingers at any imperfect politician who is happy to make my life subject to a vote just so he can get one of the same.

They have no leg to stand on because the American religious right ideal has NEVER existed. It’s a pugilistic dream.

P.S. Congrats Seb, happy to hear you took the plunge. Picture you and brosband in matching flannel, which sounds strangely lesbian!


Thanks for the detailed responses. I keep forgetting Church and GOP in the US are essentially one.

In Ireland, the Catholic Church lost its power due to some famous priests Preaching one thing and screwing something else. Hopefully the US right can see the light and keep religion out of politics.


Only in the theocratic US would people be screaming for religious freedom. There’s plenty of evidence to the same hypocrisy you describe for Ireland being endemic here, but for some reason, they keep on wanting more. Case in point, Donald J. Trump. It’s OK because it’s just so naked now for anyone with half a brain to see that none of this has anything to do with religion. It’s politicized antisocialist racism, the list goes on and on. Just still don’t understand what the endgame is.

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