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Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:49 pm

#Stormy

At the end of the day, though, is anyone surprised?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-lawy ... 1515787678
 
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Nope not surprised and don't care.He is doing a hell of a lot worse things than dealing with a porn star.
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Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:12 am

jetero wrote:
#Stormy

At the end of the day, though, is anyone surprised?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-lawy ... 1515787678


Meanwhile on the right ... "at least he's not gay."
 
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Wow, when did the left become such prudes? :lol: :lol:
 
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Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:25 am

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Wow, when did the left become such prudes? :lol: :lol:

I always love when people defend actions they wouldn't have dreamed of in the past. But hey, I am learning to not expect anything more from the people that originally claimed to be the "moral majority".

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I dont see why this particular incident should be a problem if the encounter was purely consensual or commercial in nature. Since when did America become SOOOO prudish?

Trump has done much much worse! This is just not in that category. Lets focus on real battles.
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BawliBooch wrote:
I dont see why this particular incident should be a problem if the encounter was purely consensual or commercial in nature. Since when did America become SOOOO prudish?

I agree, why hide it? There is no need for it, just publish the story.

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:rotfl: Wow the evangelicals really found their equal in this sh!thole with hair
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I agree, why hide it? There is no need for it, just publish the story.

Tugg


Is there a law that says the President must publicize the details of his sex life? As long as the activity was consensual between 2 adults, people have a right to have a private life. Even the President.
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Jeez she is ugly as sin!
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Since when did America become SOOOO prudish?


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Tugger wrote:
NoTime wrote:
Wow, when did the left become such prudes? :lol: :lol:

I always love when people defend actions they wouldn't have dreamed of in the past. But hey, I am learning to not expect anything more from the people that originally claimed to be the "moral majority".

Tugg


I've never claimed to be the moral majority, chief. But, the party of Anthony Weiner, Al Franken and John Conyers shouldn't be outraged by this.
 
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Trump didn't think it was a good thing if he went ahead a paid off the porn star. Wonder what went on there, and how much more there is to find out?
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I've never claimed to be the moral majority, chief. But, the party of Anthony Weiner, Al Franken and John Conyers shouldn't be outraged by this.


Don't forget Spitzer.
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NoTime wrote:

I've never claimed to be the moral majority, chief. But, the party of Anthony Weiner, Al Franken and John Conyers shouldn't be outraged by this.


Don't forget Spitzer.


Everyone should be upset by it. He cheated on his wife and paid 130,000 dollars of their money as hush funds.

Political party shouldn't matter. Most people have more to their lives than to stand on political lines for their sense of what is right.
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Liberal media hell bent on screwing up his physical. They ramped up since last evening. I wonder how many times they measured BP at Walter Reed today.

Don't worry he will respond to WSJ 3 AM tomorrow. "Failing WSJ now complains I paid people, earlier they were complaining I don't pay people, SAD...."
 
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Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:19 am

casinterest wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
NoTime wrote:

I've never claimed to be the moral majority, chief. But, the party of Anthony Weiner, Al Franken and John Conyers shouldn't be outraged by this.


Don't forget Spitzer.


Everyone should be upset by it. He cheated on his wife and paid 130,000 dollars of their money as hush funds.


So? What happened to letting people sort out their own love/sex lives? Maybe they've got an "open marriage" or something else. JFK had affairs all the time. Clinton had one while in office. They are both considered decent Presidents. As for the money, were you equally outraged by liberal lawyers offering to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to women if they went on record accusing Trump of sexual misconduct?

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Political party shouldn't matter. Most people have more to their lives than to stand on political lines for their sense of what is right.


I'm not saying it's right.
 
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NoTime wrote:
casinterest wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:

Don't forget Spitzer.


Everyone should be upset by it. He cheated on his wife and paid 130,000 dollars of their money as hush funds.


So? What happened to letting people sort out their own love/sex lives? Maybe they've got an "open marriage" or something else. JFK had affairs all the time. Clinton had one while in office. They are both considered decent Presidents. As for the money, were you equally outraged by liberal lawyers offering to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to women if they went on record accusing Trump of sexual misconduct?

casinterest wrote:
Political party shouldn't matter. Most people have more to their lives than to stand on political lines for their sense of what is right.


I'm not saying it's right.




Trump has lied countless times. What else is he lying about. If he felt scared enough to pay off a porn star to the tune of 130 K, what else has he done that could be compromised by other parties?
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NoTime wrote:
Tugger wrote:
NoTime wrote:
Wow, when did the left become such prudes? :lol: :lol:

I always love when people defend actions they wouldn't have dreamed of in the past. But hey, I am learning to not expect anything more from the people that originally claimed to be the "moral majority".

Tugg


I've never claimed to be the moral majority, chief. But, the party of Anthony Weiner, Al Franken and John Conyers shouldn't be outraged by this.


You’ve got to be kidding me. You must be one of those revisionists who believes that the Democratic Party is the racist one.
 
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If he felt scared enough to pay off a porn star to the tune of 130 K, what else has he done that could be compromised by other parties?

Well, there is this incident that happened in a Moscow hotel room.............................
Christopher Steele thought he was paying off for that one too.
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salttee wrote:
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If he felt scared enough to pay off a porn star to the tune of 130 K, what else has he done that could be compromised by other parties?

Well, there is this incident that happened in a Moscow hotel room.............................
Christopher Steele though he was paying off for that one too.



Could the dossier be true?
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jetero wrote:
NoTime wrote:
Tugger wrote:
I always love when people defend actions they wouldn't have dreamed of in the past. But hey, I am learning to not expect anything more from the people that originally claimed to be the "moral majority".

Tugg


I've never claimed to be the moral majority, chief. But, the party of Anthony Weiner, Al Franken and John Conyers shouldn't be outraged by this.


You’ve got to be kidding me. You must be one of those revisionists who believes that the Democratic Party is the racist one.


That's not revisionist. The Democrat party IS the part of the KKK and Jim Crow. To say otherwise is to show that you are, in fact, the revisionist.

Regardless, I don't speak for the GOP (I barely identify with them), and I've never claimed to be in the moral majority.
 
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Could the dossier be true?

Yes, the dossier certainly appears to be true. I don't know of anything that discounts it. Christopher Steele is a guy a with solid gold reputation; he is the modern day George Smiley; he was MI-6's top man on Russia. And Glenn Simpson has an excellent reputation and comes off as a straight shooter. Steele was upset enough by his own findings that he alerted the FBI.

Spend some time reading Glenn Simpson's testimony before the Senate committee. It puts the whole subject in perspective.
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The problem in the USA with politicians having mistresses or seeing prostitutes is how it can be potentially used to extort or ruin them by rich and powerful interests, the opposition political party of the target, someone wanting/needing cash for ratting or not, or news media needing a profitable sexy story. In many countries that is not an issue and even here some politicians can get away with it but it is very selective. Often the cheaters are 'pro-family', religious and expect forgiveness for their carnal sins so are hypocrites. Of course many who object to the sexually non-monogamous are cheaters too. You also have the risks of getting or giving any of the nasty STD's one can get from unprotected sex.
I woudn't doubt Donald Trump had to pay off this 'porn star' for sexual contact with her, he like many business executives and Hollywood power brokers are of the mentality that enough money can buy silence. Problem is now too with the outing of so many sexual pigs, including Trump himself, that it will take a lot more money or a threat of violence if they don't stay silent or maybe some will play the victim and public symphany cards and deal with their own guilt for being involved.
 
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That's not revisionist. The Democrat party IS the part of the KKK and Jim Crow. To say otherwise is to show that you are, in fact, the revisionist.

You're spewing misinformation. You're taking a bit of historical trivia and trying to present it as current reality. The Republican party had sold out the blacks even before the turn of the 19th century.

Then in the sixties (R) Richard Nixon drew up the "southern strategy" and brought Republican racism out front and center and took in all the southern knuckle draggers into their big tent.
 
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Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:34 am

jetero wrote:
#Stormy

At the end of the day, though, is anyone surprised?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-lawy ... 1515787678


Perhaps, Mr. Trump is taking his dislike of immigrants to his bedroom? Not sure what poor Melania saw in Mr.Trump. The money? Trump would have been better off as a free bird, free to hook up with whomever his heart pleases without repercussions.

Or, perhaps the media is blowing things out of proportion and Melania and Donald have one of those new-age "open" relationships?
 
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Wow, when did the left become such prudes? :lol: :lol:

Probably around the same time that the right became so concerned with "family values".

NoTime wrote:
The Democrat party IS the part of the KKK and Jim Crow.
And yet today most of those figures made the GOP their new home (and were gladly accepted).

KKK? I don't think David Duke has been running as a Democrat.

Jim Crow? Didn't a certain former AL Chief Justice say something along the lines of how getting rid of all amendments after the 10th would solve many problems in the US? It took several amendments and various Civil Rights Acts (passed and signed by a southern Democrat president) to put a definite end to Jim Crow and overall discrimination.

The different between the GOP and Democrats: the Democrats learned from their history and accepted minorities; the GOP, on the other hand, accepted the Tide principle: make the party whiter (look at the current leader of the party in DC and his attitude towards non-Whites).
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NoTime wrote:
Tugger wrote:
NoTime wrote:
Wow, when did the left become such prudes? :lol: :lol:

I always love when people defend actions they wouldn't have dreamed of in the past. But hey, I am learning to not expect anything more from the people that originally claimed to be the "moral majority".

Tugg


I've never claimed to be the moral majority, chief. But, the party of Anthony Weiner, Al Franken and John Conyers shouldn't be outraged by this.

Oh nonsense. You're the party of family values and moral majority and also the party of pee-pee party, pussy grabbing, porn star paying, sexual assault, and why don't we throw in pedophilia between Roy Moore and Hastert. Your high horse has left the building, set itself on fire, and died. The democrats would need a million ladders to climb down to the viewing platform just to look down on how far below the right has sunk in moral depravity. If Weiner was a Republican, every pastor from here to Tuscaloosa would be falling at his feet to sing his praises so you're not fooling anyone with the "both sides" nonsense.

NoTime wrote:
Wow, when did the left become such prudes? :lol: :lol:

We're not prudes--it's the right that loses its tiny little brain if a girl plays with toy trucks, or a transgender person uses the bathroom in privacy. Meanwhile the left is totally supportive of sex work, which should give Melania some confidence!

NoTime wrote:
That's not revisionist. The Democrat party IS the part of the KKK and Jim Crow. To say otherwise is to show that you are, in fact, the revisionist.

Regardless, I don't speak for the GOP (I barely identify with them), and I've never claimed to be in the moral majority.

Look at you trying so hard to justify your buddies in the KKK! Make sure to extend and elongate the spine--assuming you have one--when you grasp at straws so as not to injure your back while being a white supremacist apologist. Why, here is your famed "democrat" buddy now, David Duke, praising dear leader calling all (non white) countries sh!tholes! Glory to white Jesus! Darn those all those racist democrats involved here argh!

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The amazing thing in this thread is that nobody is willing to accept that no matter the party, they are unwilling to accept that politicians can't keep their dicks in their pants, seriously folks, neither side can take the moral high ground, Republicans cannot be shocked that Trump screwed around, the same as Dems cannot be shocked that their politicians screw around.
 
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Jeez she is ugly as sin!


He’s no oil painting either.
 
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Kiwirob wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Jeez she is ugly as sin!


He’s no oil painting either.

She made out like a bandit—Trump usually doesn’t pay his workers :lol:
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jetwet1 wrote:
The amazing thing in this thread is that nobody is willing to accept that no matter the party, they are unwilling to accept that politicians can't keep their dicks in their pants, seriously folks, neither side can take the moral high ground, Republicans cannot be shocked that Trump screwed around, the same as Dems cannot be shocked that their politicians screw around.

The issue with the Republicans is not the ubiquitous human habit of "fooling around", it is the blatant hypocrisy fundi Christians, Moral majority and all that. In Trump's particular case, there is the fact that he seems to make himself a target for blackmail on occasion, because he is so vain (and full of shit).
 
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Honestly, who cares? We knew that Trump is a slutty person with loose morals yesterday and this news doesn't really change that. I doubt that all the people who were fine with his pussy grabbing will suddenly turn around and be repulsed by his behaviour thanks to this.
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That's not revisionist. The Democrat party IS the part of the KKK and Jim Crow. To say otherwise is to show that you are, in fact, the revisionist.


pres·ent tense
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Understand the difference, NoTime?

Just to be clear:

The Democrat party ISthe party of the KKK and Jim Crow.

Not true.

The Democrat party WAS the party of the KKK and Jim Crow.

I'll give you that.

Today:

The Republican party IS the party of the KKK
 
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NoTime wrote:
Wow, when did the left become such prudes? :lol: :lol:


Whenever people say one thing and do another. The left supports legalized prostitution, hence no problem if they get caught.. The right is against it, they make sure it is a criminal act, they have to hold the criminal responsible. You know, the whole being consistent bit...

BawliBooch wrote:
I dont see why this particular incident should be a problem if the encounter was purely consensual or commercial in nature. Since when did America become SOOOO prudish?


Become? Seriously?

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Honestly, who cares? We knew that Trump is a slutty person with loose morals yesterday and this news doesn't really change that. I doubt that all the people who were fine with his pussy grabbing will suddenly turn around and be repulsed by his behaviour thanks to this.


Becuase some media outlets such as Breitbart, and Fox portray Trump as, "a righteous Christian doing God's work and supporting traditional family values". That makes it all the more entertaining.
 
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LockheedBBD wrote:
zkojq wrote:
Honestly, who cares? We knew that Trump is a slutty person with loose morals yesterday and this news doesn't really change that. I doubt that all the people who were fine with his pussy grabbing will suddenly turn around and be repulsed by his behaviour thanks to this.


Becuase some media outlets such as Breitbart, and Fox portray Trump as, "a righteous Christian doing God's work and supporting traditional family values". That makes it all the more entertaining.


Fox news and Beitbart have no morals. Only lusty greed for Money. This lines up with Trump. The Religious right is unfortunately made up of mostly sheepish suckers that buy into all the rhetoric, with a promise of "I'll do better"
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The Religious right is unfortunately made up of mostly sheepish suckers that buy into all the rhetoric, with a promise of "I'll do better"


Plus the probably significant share of Taliban amongst those that can't live with the idea of any woman being a superior to any man.... so a female president is out, even if virgin Mary came back to run.

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That's not revisionist. The Democrat party IS the part of the KKK and Jim Crow. To say otherwise is to show that you are, in fact, the revisionist.


SARCASM?
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NoTime wrote:

That's not revisionist. The Democrat party IS the part of the KKK and Jim Crow. To say otherwise is to show that you are, in fact, the revisionist.


SARCASM?


No they all believe it.

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And not as a matter of historical record. They all think it's still the case today.

What did NoTime say in another thread?

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Has the right forgotten Bill Clinton? Remember the complete and total melt down you all had that Bill had sex with women other than his wife?

Now that we know the orange menace paid these ladies, why is it so hard to believe that he visited a Russian house of ill repute?

Besides, you righties are always screaming about high moral character because Bill Clinton. Well? What about YOUR guy?

How is any of that being prudish?
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jetero wrote:
BawliBooch wrote:
NoTime wrote:

That's not revisionist. The Democrat party IS the part of the KKK and Jim Crow. To say otherwise is to show that you are, in fact, the revisionist.


SARCASM?


No they all believe it.

-NoTime

-Super80Fan

-Nikky V

-DirectFLT

And not as a matter of historical record. They all think it's still the case today.



The KKK had more than 500 times the number of members today when it was associated with the Democratic party.

"The Southern Poverty Law Center hasn’t counted the members of the so-called “alt-right.” A press representative tells The Daily Beast that they’re not aware of any nationwide surveys designed to count them.

However, they estimate that the KKK counts between 5,000 and 8,000 members nationwide. Back in the 1920’s, when cities across the south were erecting monuments to Confederate generals, the Klan had 4 million members. As Roger L. Simon points out, this would be an impressive decrease even if the population of the U.S. hadn’t swelled since the 1920’s. Back then, the Klan constituted about 4 percent of the entire U.S. population. Now, the KKK is near its nadir. That would make them less than 0.003 percent of the population, even on the higher end of the SPLC’s estimate. “It’s a small group of real bad people,” Simon writes."

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afcjets wrote:
jetero wrote:
BawliBooch wrote:

SARCASM?


No they all believe it.

-NoTime

-Super80Fan

-Nikky V

-DirectFLT

And not as a matter of historical record. They all think it's still the case today.



The KKK had more than 500 times the number of members today when it was associated with the Democratic party.

"The Southern Poverty Law Center hasn’t counted the members of the so-called “alt-right.” A press representative tells The Daily Beast that they’re not aware of any nationwide surveys designed to count them.

However, they estimate that the KKK counts between 5,000 and 8,000 members nationwide. Back in the 1920’s, when cities across the south were erecting monuments to Confederate generals, the Klan had 4 million members. As Roger L. Simon points out, this would be an impressive decrease even if the population of the U.S. hadn’t swelled since the 1920’s. Back then, the Klan constituted about 4 percent of the entire U.S. population. Now, the KKK is near its nadir. That would make them less than 0.003 percent of the population, even on the higher end of the SPLC’s estimate. “It’s a small group of real bad people,” Simon writes."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-many- ... ica-really


I keep on waiting for you guys to spontaneously combust from aneurysms at trying to reconcile all the hypocrisy.

But, alas, I fear I'm going to die of a heart attack before that ever happens.

Can I ask you, afcjets, what your point is?

It has something to do with numbers of KKK members being larger in the past than they are now? That sounds like a good outcome. Are you arguing that since there are less KKK now, even though said KKK are fully associated with the Republican Party, that it's not as bad as it was with the Democratic Party? So the issue isn't that the KKK is either good or bad (which is called a position of principle), the more concerning issue for you is that more members of the KKK historically were Democrats? You don't give two sh*ts about the present?

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I know that since you're as concerned with the SPLC as an appeal to authority as you are with the KKK and the racial justice you obviously have consumed the alt right page on the SPLC's website.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... /alt-right

I'm sure you're one of those know-nothing idiots who were freaking out about Antifa being the "real problem" after Charlottesville.

Remind me what happened with that?
 
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:03 am

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Can I ask you, afcjets, what your point is?

It has something to do with numbers of KKK members being larger in the past than they are now? Are you arguing that since there are less KKK now, even though said KKK are fully associated with the Republican Party, that it's not as bad as it was with the Democratic Party?


Yes, because there are over 500 times fewer of them today.


jetero wrote:
That sounds like a good outcome.


Yup.


jetero wrote:
So the issue isn't that the KKK is either good or bad (which is called a position of principle), the more concerning issue for you is that more members of the KKK historically were Democrats?


The issue I was quoting and responding to was which party the KKK is associated with, not whether they are good or bad. I don't really think that's necessary to discuss, but if you do, if I thought the KKK was good, I probably wouldn't have included a link which says they are bad, and I probably wouldn't say having 500 times fewer of them today is a good thing.
 
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:25 am

afcjets wrote:
jetero wrote:


Can I ask you, afcjets, what your point is?

It has something to do with numbers of KKK members being larger in the past than they are now? Are you arguing that since there are less KKK now, even though said KKK are fully associated with the Republican Party, that it's not as bad as it was with the Democratic Party?


Yes, because there are over 500 times less of them.


jetero wrote:
That sounds like a good outcome.


Yup.


jetero wrote:
So the issue isn't that the KKK is either good or bad (which is called a position of principle), the more concerning issue for you is that more members.


The issue I was quoting and responding to was which party the KKK is associated with, not whether they are good or bad. I don't really think that's necessary to discuss, but if you do, if I thought the KKK was good, I probably wouldn't have included a link which says they are bad, and I probably wouldn't say having 500 times fewer of them today is a good thing.


Again, I'm going to die of a heart attack before you guys ever die of an aneurysm.

So basically, for the second time in a row, you seem to have a position, but you don't . . . it's all in the article! You aren't able to articulate it for yourself.

So, what's your position?

Today's Democratic Party is the Party that the KKK supports because, in history (i.e., not now) more people in number from the KKK voted Democrat?

The one problem I have with this is, and I say this as a child of the South who has heard this narrative time and time again . . .

None of my family were in any way, shape, or form involved in the slave trade.

(I don't say that from a position of righteous pride because I'm pretty sure they would've been happy participants if they weren't dirt poor.)

So you can't "blame us" for slavery. (Certainly, as such an aggrieved and persecuted person like yourself, you've said that before.)

So, somehow, in your head, you're able to blame today's Democratic Party (the party of Barack Obama) for the KKK?

I'm about to have an aneurysm myself.
 
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:01 am

afcjets wrote:
jetero wrote:


Can I ask you, afcjets, what your point is?

It has something to do with numbers of KKK members being larger in the past than they are now? Are you arguing that since there are less KKK now, even though said KKK are fully associated with the Republican Party, that it's not as bad as it was with the Democratic Party?


Yes, because there are over 500 times fewer of them today.


Which is something the old Republican Party, you know the one that picked its red color for the same reason most other left wing parties did, did in deed help to arrange.

That doesn´t change in any way that the GOP now is the party for KKK members, white supremacists and Neo-Nazis. The combined total of those neatly outshines the KKK at its hight. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 07091.html

Well, that makes it 22 Million, 5 times more than the KKK ever had.

At least when it comes to hate groups, the Republicans support diversity. ..... just because the KKK and the Repubican party are hate groups with membership lists, doesn´t mean that all other hate groups are that organized, "unaffiliated" is the key word these days.

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Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:31 am

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For any other president this would be totally unacceptable.

How do the millions of christian Republicans feel about this & "shithole countries"?

Or are they knock-out already ? Closing their eyes & praying for better days?
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:17 pm

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For any other president this would be totally unacceptable.

How do the millions of christian Republicans feel about this & "shithole countries"?

Or are they knock-out already ? Closing their eyes & praying for better days?

Evangelicals are just as racist, vengeful, bigoted and insatiably greedy as their leader Trump. That's why they dropped to their knees for him faster than Mitt Romney who had a modicum of decency. Hope all those hookers employed by Trump can make it to next year's values voters summit--they'd fit right in!

afcjets wrote:
jetero wrote:


Can I ask you, afcjets, what your point is?

It has something to do with numbers of KKK members being larger in the past than they are now? Are you arguing that since there are less KKK now, even though said KKK are fully associated with the Republican Party, that it's not as bad as it was with the Democratic Party?


Yes, because there are over 500 times fewer of them today.


jetero wrote:
That sounds like a good outcome.


Yup.


jetero wrote:
So the issue isn't that the KKK is either good or bad (which is called a position of principle), the more concerning issue for you is that more members of the KKK historically were Democrats?


The issue I was quoting and responding to was which party the KKK is associated with, not whether they are good or bad. I don't really think that's necessary to discuss, but if you do, if I thought the KKK was good, I probably wouldn't have included a link which says they are bad, and I probably wouldn't say having 500 times fewer of them today is a good thing.

Well golly, good for you. There are a lot fewer KKK members today than there were during Jim Crow. Groundbreaking! And today they're all Republican, and huge fans of Trump, in addition to actual Nazis and sundry other white supremacist/nationalist cockroaches that have crawled out of the woodwork. It's fun watching all Republicans trying their damnedest to die on that hill.
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:54 pm

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That doesn´t change in any way that the GOP now is the party for KKK members, white supremacists and Neo-Nazis. The combined total of those neatly outshines the KKK at its hight. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 07091.html

Well, that makes it 22 Million, 5 times more than the KKK ever had.


The last poll question on page 3 from the link below perfectly illustrates how polls are more often used to actually shape opinion instead. From your article:

"Nine per cent of Americans say holding neo-Nazi or white supremacist views is acceptable, according to a new poll....According to the survey, 83 per cent of Americans think holding neo-Nazi views is unacceptable"

Obviously the "correct" answer is it is unacceptable to hold neo-Nazi viewpoints and if you dare say otherwise, you're a racist! But in actuality, most Americans believe in freedom of speech, and a pre-requisite for freedom of speech is freedom of thought or holding a certain viewpoint. This is in large part why the polls are often wrong and why Donald Trump is president.

Other questions from the actual poll:

"Thinking now about the movement known as the alt-right, or alternative right. Would you describe yourself as a supporter or an opponent of the alt right movement?"

51% of the people either support it or have no opinion, where 41% have no opinion.

"As far as you know, do you think the alt-right does or does not hold neo-Nazi or white supremacist views?"

60% of the people said no or have no opinion, where almost 40% said no opinion.

You know why so many have no opinion? Because unlike the KKK, and like the alt-left, alt-right is a rather ambiguous and somewhat broad term (some definitions include men's right advocates, check out the paternity rights blog in this section, you might be surprised at which a.netters are alt-right!)


Hillary's basket of deplorables alone is far more than 9%. So why don't you just go with her number instead, it makes your case much stronger.

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/p ... 2017/2235/
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Re: The President of the United States Paid Off a Porn Star

Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:56 pm

afcjets wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

That doesn´t change in any way that the GOP now is the party for KKK members, white supremacists and Neo-Nazis. The combined total of those neatly outshines the KKK at its hight. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 07091.html

Well, that makes it 22 Million, 5 times more than the KKK ever had.


You're just the reading the spin from the poll from a leftist who either sucks at math or just doesn't understand the pol/


Hilarious from someone in an full on attempt to rewrite recent history........

Neither the GOP nor the Democrats are the same party as before they switched sides, todays GOP is still the party KKK members and similar ilk find attractive......

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