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Trump : Why do we let people in from (expletive) countries ?

Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:23 am

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/11/us/p ... -news&_r=0

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42656433

Even though he's kinda right you don't say that stuff out loud for Christ sakes :tapedshut:
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Re: Trump : Why do we let people in from sh*thole countries ?

Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:27 am

Need to make sure we aren't letting in sh___t people, shouldn't matter what country they're from.

The guy who said there were "many fine people" on the side of WHITE SUPREMACISTS IN CHARLOTTESVILLE should be able to realize that there are decent productive people; people we should be glad to have here; who've simply had the misfortune of coming from s___hole countries..
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:30 am

He should be removed from office. Forcibly, if necessary.
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:59 am

alberchico wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/11/us/politics/trump-shithole-countries.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42656433

Even though he's kinda right you don't say that stuff out loud for Christ sakes :tapedshut:


He is right. What do these people from Haiti and Africa bring to the table? We dumped a TON of money into Haiti and where is that island now all these years later? I mean you can be humanitarian all you want be we can't take in the world as much as people would like to. You cannot bring a huge influx of unskilled people who don't speak the language and are going right on welfare and expect your country not to collapse and that idiot prime minister from Canada Justin Trudeau knows it. He was all high and mighty criticizing the United States about refugees and now when he sees they have their sights on Canada he starts talking out the side of his mouth. He needs to shut his pie hole. Much like most liberals especially the Hollywood elite they talk smack until it is in their backyard than it's a whole different story. Never seen hypocrites in my life like liberals. We need to adapt an immigration policy like Australia a merit based system. As far as Haiti and El Salvador under the "Temporary" protected status. Democrats are crying that they have lived here for 15+ years and it's cruel to send them back. Well folks it was supposed to be "TEMPORARY" that' what you get when you let temporary stay for 15-20-30 years. Then they are glued to being here.
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:05 am

Too bad Trump's immigrant grandfather isn't around to kick him in the ass.
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:37 am

alberchico wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/11/us/politics/trump-shithole-countries.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42656433

Even though he's kinda right you don't say that stuff out loud for Christ sakes :tapedshut:


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Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:39 am

First stratosphere said,

stratosphere wrote:
be humanitarian all you want be we can't take in the world as much as people would like to.


Then he said,

stratosphere wrote:
You cannot bring a huge influx of people who don't speak the language



Heh.
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:02 am

He clearly hasn't been to the bible belt

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Too bad Trump's immigrant grandfather isn't around to kick him in the ass.

Or be deported...
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:11 am

:hissyfit: :hyper: Just another episode in the tRrump Soap Opera, just think only three more years of this.
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:55 am

It is just awful that more blond hair, blue eye people don't want to move somewhere that has unaffordable health care and unaffordable education and unaffordable housing. It has to be those dirty nasty non-English speaking people who want to work that come to the United States. That's pretty much what he is saying
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:58 am

MaverickM11 wrote:
He clearly hasn't been to the bible belt

Revelation wrote:
Too bad Trump's immigrant grandfather isn't around to kick him in the ass.

Or be deported...


My grandfather immigrated here illegally from Germany. He and his family were rumored to be Roma. When the mass deportations start to cleanse the country of the riff-raff, can I please be deported to Germany or Romania? I know my skin color is too light, but no harm in asking....
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:29 am

Poignant Point

https://twitter.com/BillKristol?ref_src ... r%5Eauthor


"Two weeks ago a 26-year old soldier raced repeatedly into a burning Bronx apartment building, saving four people before he died in the flames. His name was Pvt. Emmanuel Mensah and he immigrated from Ghana, a country Donald Trump apparently thinks produces very subpar immigrants."
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:33 am

stratosphere wrote:
alberchico wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/11/us/politics/trump-shithole-countries.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42656433

Even though he's kinda right you don't say that stuff out loud for Christ sakes :tapedshut:


He is right. What do these people from Haiti and Africa bring to the table? We dumped a TON of money into Haiti and where is that island now all these years later? I mean you can be humanitarian all you want be we can't take in the world as much as people would like to. You cannot bring a huge influx of unskilled people who don't speak the language and are going right on welfare and expect your country not to collapse and that idiot prime minister from Canada Justin Trudeau knows it. He was all high and mighty criticizing the United States about refugees and now when he sees they have their sights on Canada he starts talking out the side of his mouth. He needs to shut his pie hole. Much like most liberals especially the Hollywood elite they talk smack until it is in their backyard than it's a whole different story. Never seen hypocrites in my life like liberals. We need to adapt an immigration policy like Australia a merit based system. As far as Haiti and El Salvador under the "Temporary" protected status. Democrats are crying that they have lived here for 15+ years and it's cruel to send them back. Well folks it was supposed to be "TEMPORARY" that' what you get when you let temporary stay for 15-20-30 years. Then they are glued to being here.


Haiti is not an island, Haiti is located on the island of Hispaniola. From your commentary I would not expect you to know that.

This character is a disgrace, along with people who defend this nonsense.
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:34 am

seb146 wrote:
It is just awful that more blond hair, blue eye people don't want to move somewhere that has unaffordable health care and unaffordable education and unaffordable housing. It has to be those dirty nasty non-English speaking people who want to work that come to the United States. That's pretty much what he is saying


This reminds me of a skit on Comedy Central of Keegan-Michael Key playing Obama's anger translator Luther where he says "the only good immigrant is a smoking hot white one".

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Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:35 am

alberchico wrote:
Even though he's kinda right you don't say that stuff out loud for Christ sakes :tapedshut:


No. He's not right at all. We let people in from those countries because they're good, hardworking people who are crying out for a chance at a better life. The people Donald Trump would keep out are more emblematic of the American Dream than he could ever hope to be. They're our neighbors, they're our co-workers, they're our friends, and they are what makes this country great. But Donald Trump wouldn't understand that. He's too busy following in the racist footsteps the father who handed him everything on a silver platter.
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:39 am

Still think Trump and supporters are not deplorable?

Let's not forget what happened after: he wondered why we're not letting more people from countries like Norway in.

I don't know...maybe because Norwegians are not fleeing socioeconomic crises?
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:41 am

casinterest wrote:
Poignant Point

https://twitter.com/BillKristol?ref_src ... r%5Eauthor


"Two weeks ago a 26-year old soldier raced repeatedly into a burning Bronx apartment building, saving four people before he died in the flames. His name was Pvt. Emmanuel Mensah and he immigrated from Ghana, a country Donald Trump apparently thinks produces very subpar immigrants."


Contrast that sacrifice with that of Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, who are sacrificing every day in service to this country. Sacrificing their personal lives, that is.

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Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:56 am

Who the hell would immigrate from Norway to the U.S?! Unless you hate socialism I don't see why anyone would leave there.

The reason people from "shithole" (remember, that's Trump's word, not mine) countries come to America is the same reason why I toss around the idea of trying to become a Norwegian citizen. Better life and more opportunities to be a productive citizen.
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:10 am

Xenophobic, this enforces the view of the racist views this "president" has.
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:33 am

But what if one of those shitholes voted in support of the USA in the UN when it came to the movement of the US embassy to Jerusalem??
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:55 am

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But what if one of those shitholes voted in support of the USA in the UN when it came to the movement of the US embassy to Jerusalem??


Bullied by the Trump administration into that vote you mean?
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:21 am

I think he's freaking out about his physical. If he hasn't had an exam in over a year there's a delightfully high chance something ugly has emerged with his health in that time(besides the fact that he's crackers).
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:38 am

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Who the hell would immigrate from Norway to the U.S?! Unless you hate socialism I don't see why anyone would leave there.

That's exactly what I thought as well. Norway is a rich country (natural gas resources etc.)... I think he just mentioned Norway because he met Norway's PM or some hours before. Which again shows how he works: he seems to have very limited knowledge about other countries (<= wow, nice wording, isn't it? ;-) ...... ) and just picks up things randomly that he learns while being the president of the USA...

Anyhow, he is the elected president and you (or we if it comes to major international affairs) have to live with it for some years. After all, he is just the president of the USA, could be worse...
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:46 am

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Who the hell would immigrate from Norway to the U.S?! Unless you hate socialism I don't see why anyone would leave there.

That's exactly what I thought as well. Norway is a rich country (natural gas resources etc.)... I think he just mentioned Norway because he met Norway's PM or some hours before. Which again shows how he works: he seems to have very limited knowledge about other countries (<= wow, nice wording, isn't it? ;-) ...... ) and just picks up things randomly that he learns while being the president of the USA...

Anyhow, he is the elected president and you (or we if it comes to major international affairs) have to live with it for some years. After all, he is just the president of the USA, could be worse...


My thoughts exactly. And you don't hear of a lot of Germans, French, Italian or Spanish people either immigrating to the US. Maybe it isn't the best country on earth after all...
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:56 am

Like Vicente Fox says, his mouth is a shithole. He is a shithole.
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:59 am

alberchico wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/11/us/politics/trump-shithole-countries.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42656433

Even though he's kinda right you don't say that stuff out loud for Christ sakes :tapedshut:


"Kinda right"? Reading your posts over the years, I would have expected better from you. :shakehead:
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:16 pm

I have run out of words to describe how much I loathe this man.

I would rather spend time with people from the so-called ****hole countries than him any day.
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:47 pm

You know sometimes I can't tell if Trump is being serious, or if he's just trying to be remembered as the greatest troll who ever lived.

Wouldn't it be great if everybody just ignored him?
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:00 pm

Hard to say, knowing that every word verbatim will be leaked in minutes, why would he say such things. He might as well live cast all these meetings to take the edge of it.

My guess he is playing to his base, one R-word keeps his base happy, and the actual bill text keeps rest of the country happy. His base is ignorant enough not to realize what really happened.

A high wire act, I guess.
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:41 pm

I see the thread title has been "sanitised", thus losing 95% of it's impact. :sarcastic:

Really? Are we that worried about the word "shithole"?
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:51 pm

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Hmm,...I am living in Europe, in one of the countries "feeling" the pain. And to be honest, my life hasn't changed a bit since the refugee crisis.


I can only speculate, but those stabbed to death or run over by trucks driven by Mutti's new guests did feel quite a lot of pain.
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:32 pm

It would not surprise me if language like this gets used behind closed doors of public servants way more often than we know. That being said, even though there often is an expectation of privacy when behind closed doors, Trump has to know that language like this will get put out there and reported. I know he denies the comment, but I am not buying it. He said it. And he has to own up to it. He has no excuse for this.

As for the context of the comment, the way he describes countries like Haiti is exactly the reason these guys come to the US. Conditions in these countries are awful, and good people in these countries want out and a better life for themselves. I thought this is what the American Dream is all about. So to reduce immigration from these countries who's people are desperate, and instead increase it from countries that are prosperous, such as Norway, doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Do I think its racist? Not necessarily, because there are poor countries that have mostly white people, and wealthy prosperous countries that are mostly hispanic, or black. I do believe given the presidents standing, this comment opens himself up to that charge, even though I still do not believe he is a racist.

Lastly, someone addressed the millions of aid that went to Haiti, and the fact it hasnt helped that country. Haiti is an issue near and dear to my heart as someone who grew up in Boston and knew a lot of people from that country while growing up. The people who come here from Haiti care a great deal about that country and one of the reasons they come here is so that they can be in a better position to improve the living conditions on the island of Haiti. One of the things that was done for Haiti was a bunch of US taxpayer money that was pledged to organizations that would help the people of Haiti. The biggest problem with this is one of those organizations was the Clinton Foundation. Money that went to the Clinton Foundation that was supposed to help Haiti for some reason never made it to Haiti. And the people in Haiti havent forgotten that fact either. The Clinton name is toxic among people close to Haiti.
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:46 pm

Absolutely laughable that they changed the thread title. He said 'shithole countries'. That's the whole point of the thread, his choice of words.
 
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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3686 ... D=ref_fark


"“You’ve seen the comments in the press,” Durbin said. “I’ve not seen one of them that’s inaccurate. To no surprise, the president started tweeting this morning, denying that he used those words. It is not true. He said these hate-filled things, and he said them repeatedly.”"



Dan Durbin has stated that Lindsey Graham called out the president in the meeting. So Trump is apparently lying again this morning in his denials.
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:24 pm

L410Turbolet wrote:
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Hmm,...I am living in Europe, in one of the countries "feeling" the pain. And to be honest, my life hasn't changed a bit since the refugee crisis.


I can only speculate, but those stabbed to death or run over by trucks driven by Mutti's new guests did feel quite a lot of pain.


Wow, what an awful answer.

What did people think about bring run over by tanks in 1968? Being bombed by IRA, RAF, shot by white supremacists?
Seriously, we didn't need refugees or other religions to kill ourselves. Or to be scared.
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:35 pm

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Germany and Norway and especially Sweden are really starting to feel the pain in regards to refugees. I have friends in Germany and Sweden there are things going on there that are not making the news because it is not "politically correct".


Or maybe it's not making the news because it's simply incorrect.

Witness the experience of Pete Hoekstra, your new ambassador to the Netherlands.

2015: "Chaos in the Netherlands - there are cars being burned. There are politicians that are being burned and, yes, there are no-go zones in the Netherlands."

Dec 2017: Hoekstra denies making the comments, telling a reporter with Nieuwsuur they were "an incorrect statement... fake news".

Dec 2017: "I made certain remarks in 2015 and regret the exchange during the Nieuwsuur interview. Please accept my apology."

Then he had an exchange with Dutch reporters earlier this week that's gone viral - it's being covered around the world:

"Mr. Ambassador, can you mention any example of a Dutch politician who was burned in recent years?"

Silence.

"This is the Netherlands, you have to answer questions," another reporter said.

The YouTube clip is going viral. It's being covered by newspapers everywhere. Even I felt embarrassed for him. As I do for people who believed him at the time.
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:40 pm

Two parts here.

1. He is correct, those countries are awful and are a stain on this planet (notice how I said country, not people)

2. He is supposed to remain Presidential and should've never said this out loud. Now we look weak and like an embarrassment around the world now.
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:41 pm

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Too bad Trump's immigrant grandfather isn't around to kick him in the ass.


But but but he came from the right kind of country not the shit kind of country we get mass economic migration from today.
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:43 pm

Super80Fan wrote:
Two parts here.

1. He is correct, those countries are awful and are a stain on this planet (notice how I said country, not people)

2. He is supposed to remain Presidential and should've never said this out loud. Now we look weak and like an embarrassment around the world now.


When talking about immigration Trump is talking about people leaving those countries. He is specifically rejecting them based on where they come from. Not why they come. So what he said was awful and is a stain on the United States.
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:49 pm

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Do I think its racist? Not necessarily, because there are poor countries that have mostly white people, and wealthy prosperous countries that are mostly hispanic, or black. I do believe given the presidents standing, this comment opens himself up to that charge, even though I still do not believe he is a racist.


Now you have me curious I can think of shitty white countries, there are plenty of them but I struggle to think of a prosperous wealthy black majority country with a western living standard??
 
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Who the hell would immigrate from Norway to the U.S?! Unless you hate socialism I don't see why anyone would leave there.


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Keep the thread on topic. Keep the personal comments to one another out of the discussion. As for the topic title the swear word WILL NOT be in it as forum rules are quite clear on this, that being no swearing in the topic title at any time
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Just to show what level the political discourse has sunk to in the US, here's the NY Daily News cover:

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@realDonaldTrump takes a dump on the American dream
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Re: Trump : Why do we let people in from (expletive) countries ?

Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:14 pm

Trump's comments are absolutely shameful, on the global stage of the sophisticated elite. It would be hard to imagine having a $1,000 meal of champagne and caviar with Mr. Trump, because of his lack of sophistication and his crude language. The ultra-wealthy have every right to be upset. As do the ultra-poor.

However, in the context of the average American family, he is absolutely 100% correct. The American family does not want to live a third world lifestyle. The average American family wields the ultimate power in this world. Many people dislike it. But they do. America has had incredibly high living standards for over 100 years. What case can be made to the $50,000 income family with some college (but no degree) regarding these immigration policies? If no case can be made, then what is the fastest way to stop the activity?
 
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Re: Trump : Why do we let people in from other countries ?

Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:20 pm

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It would not surprise me if language like this gets used behind closed doors of public servants way more often than we know. That being said, even though there often is an expectation of privacy when behind closed doors, Trump has to know that language like this will get put out there and reported. I know he denies the comment, but I am not buying it. He said it. And he has to own up to it. He has no excuse for this.

As for the context of the comment, the way he describes countries like Haiti is exactly the reason these guys come to the US. Conditions in these countries are awful, and good people in these countries want out and a better life for themselves. I thought this is what the American Dream is all about. So to reduce immigration from these countries who's people are desperate, and instead increase it from countries that are prosperous, such as Norway, doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Do I think its racist? Not necessarily, because there are poor countries that have mostly white people, and wealthy prosperous countries that are mostly hispanic, or black. I do believe given the presidents standing, this comment opens himself up to that charge, even though I still do not believe he is a racist.

Lastly, someone addressed the millions of aid that went to Haiti, and the fact it hasnt helped that country. Haiti is an issue near and dear to my heart as someone who grew up in Boston and knew a lot of people from that country while growing up. The people who come here from Haiti care a great deal about that country and one of the reasons they come here is so that they can be in a better position to improve the living conditions on the island of Haiti. One of the things that was done for Haiti was a bunch of US taxpayer money that was pledged to organizations that would help the people of Haiti. The biggest problem with this is one of those organizations was the Clinton Foundation. Money that went to the Clinton Foundation that was supposed to help Haiti for some reason never made it to Haiti. And the people in Haiti havent forgotten that fact either. The Clinton name is toxic among people close to Haiti.


I think you're right. This kind of language is probably used all the time by everyone. In the past, US congresspeople were loyal to US interests. But now, they openly agitate on the behalf of foreign countries to weaken the US - I think that was the point made by the sheepish White House explanation. To pull down Trump's pants here pleases no one and does not dignify the US.

I think many Haiti citizens and emigrees agree with the terminology that Trump used. In fact, the argument that Haiti might not be a s---hole strikes me as amazing.

Here is another Trump phrase - "what do you have to lose?" Does Haiti honestly think that an Obama or Clinton presidency would be more beneficial for their country? In any way except immigration, there's no possible worse situation Haiti could have been in. Past policies have been an abject disaster. The country is a total loss. And nobody wanted to rock the boat. Nobody cared at all. Any change, including vulgar words, might be a great thing for Haiti.
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Re: Trump : Why do we let people in from sh*thole countries ?

Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:31 pm

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Too bad Trump's immigrant grandfather isn't around to kick him in the ass.

But but but he came from the right kind of country not the shit kind of country we get mass economic migration from today.

Apparently in 1885, Bavaria was a shithole. Why else leave the Fatherland for a future involving the operation of brothels?

After being sick with emphysema for ten years, Trump’s father, Johannes, died on July 6, 1877, at the age of 48, leaving the family in severe debt from medical expenses.[3]:28 While five of the six children worked in the family grape fields, Friedrich was considered too sickly to endure such hard labor.[3]:29 In 1883, then aged 14, he was sent to nearby Frankenthal by his mother to work as a barber’s apprentice and learn the trade.

Trump worked seven days a week for two and a half years under barber Friedrich Lang. After completing his apprenticeship, he returned to Kallstadt, a village with about 1,000 inhabitants. He quickly discovered there was not enough business to earn a living. He was also approaching the age of eligibility for conscription to military service in the Imperial German Army. He quickly decided to emigrate to the United States, later saying, "I agreed with my mother that I should go to America."[3]:30 Years later, his family members said that he departed secretly at night, leaving his mother a note.[3]:30–31

And thus Trump's grandfather dodged the draft and headed to the Promised Land. He even tried to return, but they kicked him out for dodging the draft. Some times history turns on the smallest of things...
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Re: Trump : Why do we let people in from (expletive) countries ?

Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:37 pm

Here's the dope of an Ambassador being called out on his BS in a Western democracy where the politicians are actually held to account for their words;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOEI6hYZe6Y

And yes, it's odd how some also react to crimes/terror by non whites as opposed to the long line of groups around from the late 60's onwards, IRA, RAF, ETA, UDA to name a few.
Then of course, the erased from Trump Base history person, in the form of Tim McVeigh.
 
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Re: Trump : Why do we let people in from (expletive) countries ?

Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:43 pm

The sad part is that he does have a point, when it comes to development aid. If the recipients of the help do not really strive to improve their country and are settling in the position of needing outside help, the local situation will never improve. Too bad that he has killed any debate about that with his racist and hate fuelled words.
 
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Re: Trump : Why do we let people in from (expletive) countries ?

Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:52 pm

seahawk wrote:
The sad part is that he does have a point, when it comes to development aid. If the recipients of the help do not really strive to improve their country and are settling in the position of needing outside help, the local situation will never improve. Too bad that he has killed any debate about that with his racist and hate fuelled words.


The people don't always have a choice when they get Aid. I mean with the Haiti earthquake I am sure corrupt government officials made off with some or most of it.

Needless to say whether you think it or not you never say it. This just gets us that much closer to speaker Pelosi.
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Re: Trump : Why do we let people in from (expletive) countries ?

Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:59 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
seahawk wrote:
The sad part is that he does have a point, when it comes to development aid. If the recipients of the help do not really strive to improve their country and are settling in the position of needing outside help, the local situation will never improve. Too bad that he has killed any debate about that with his racist and hate fuelled words.


The people don't always have a choice when they get Aid. I mean with the Haiti earthquake I am sure corrupt government officials made off with some or most of it.

Needless to say whether you think it or not you never say it. This just gets us that much closer to speaker Pelosi.


Sure, if you are hit by such a natural disaster you need help and this needs to be given even if corruption thrives on it. But if the local people never work against corruption the country will not get rid of it.

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