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Re: From Russia with truth

Tue May 01, 2018 10:42 pm

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Soviet supported by Nazi Germany invaded Finland, Baltic states an Poland in 1939. Soviet invaded Poland in early 1920s. Soviet supported the red in Finland civil war 1918.

After WW2 no states under red army rule was allowed full rule by their own populations.

Russia miss to point that NATO expension in 1990s was Soviet "allies" begging NATO to protect them.


Don't forget Spanish Civil war, 1936-1939, when the USSR was sending "soldiers on vacation" to Spain by boatloads, with tanks, fighter planes, the whole works.
 
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Re: From Russia with truth

Wed May 02, 2018 1:15 pm

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Scipio wrote:
The 10 graphs that explain Vladimir Putin's Russia:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/t ... ns-russia/


Interesting that you post this article, doesn't paint a flattering picture of Putin's Russia. On the other hand, it emphasizes everything you have labeled a lie. Russia is a small country, economically, mostly dependent on oil and gas revenue, hugely corrupt and Putin isn't doing much economically. The average Russian makes a little bit more than an average Chinese. The only reason given for Putin's popularity is a revival of the old USSR, just like you Scipio.

Perhaps you should have to give google translate one more try and actually read the article before posting.....


My bad, mistook you for Scorpius. My sincere apologies.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Thu May 03, 2018 2:44 am

olle wrote:
Soviet supported by Nazi Germany invaded Finland, Baltic states an Poland in 1939. Soviet invaded Poland in early 1920s. Soviet supported the red in Finland civil war 1918.

After WW2 no states under red army rule was allowed full rule by their own populations.

Russia miss to point that NATO expension in 1990s was Soviet "allies" begging NATO to protect them.

Little try to learn a history, or I feel Spanish shame reading this nonsense. Like the nonsense written by you, and shame on you for some reason to me.
 
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Re: From Russia with truth

Thu May 03, 2018 2:45 am

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Re: From Russia with truth

Thu May 03, 2018 5:48 am

Ok, Scorpius is looking at the militaristic site and posting pictures about their strength. That is one side of Russian society. So let's look at another:

Gay bashing:
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Unfreedom and harsh Russian police:
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Protest:
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Justice:
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Russian jails:
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Russian "free" press:
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Repression:
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Russian peace:
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Also nice things of course:
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Re: From Russia with truth

Thu May 03, 2018 7:08 am

The WADA ( World Anti-Doping Agency ) report for 2016 is out:
http://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2 ... t-for-2016

List of offenders dominated by Italy, France, the US. Amusing.
hazing of Russia by the US seems to be massive case of the "Kettle calling .... "
( also keep in mind that the US obscures doping by "prescription of disallowed substances on health grounds".)
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Re: From Russia with truth

Thu May 03, 2018 7:34 am

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The WADA ( World Anti-Doping Agency ) report for 2016 is out:
http://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2 ... t-for-2016

List of offenders dominated by Italy, France, the US. Amusing.
hazing of Russia by the US seems to be massive case of the "Kettle calling .... "
( also keep in mind that the US obscures doping by "prescription of disallowed substances on health grounds".)


You can frame it all you want but the main thing is: Russia government-backed, Most of the rest of the world including the countries you mentioned, not government backed. That is the difference.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Thu May 03, 2018 7:56 am

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You can frame it all you want but the main thing is: Russia government-backed, Most of the rest of the world including the countries you mentioned, not government backed. That is the difference.


Ah, the finer forms of moral hairsplitting. I expected nothing less.
Doping for profit is OK. doping for anything else is verboten. Aha.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Thu May 03, 2018 9:04 am

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Dutchy wrote:
You can frame it all you want but the main thing is: Russia government-backed, Most of the rest of the world including the countries you mentioned, not government backed. That is the difference.


Ah, the finer forms of moral hairsplitting. I expected nothing less.
Doping for profit is OK. doping for anything else is verboten. Aha.


No, individuals need to be punished and thus held accountable, if the perpetrator is the state, the state needs to be held accountable and thus punished. I understand that your strategy is putting Russia in the victim role, but remember that except for a few hardcore Russian devotees, everyone else sees this difference very clearly and thus sees it for what it is: Cheating by the Russian state for propaganda purposes.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Thu May 03, 2018 9:37 am

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No, individuals need to be punished and thus held accountable, if the perpetrator is the state, the state needs to be held accountable and thus punished. I understand that your strategy is putting Russia in the victim role, but remember that except for a few hardcore Russian devotees, everyone else sees this difference very clearly and thus sees it for what it is: Cheating by the Russian state for propaganda purposes.


Der Wurm windet ..
but It remains "the well sooted kettle calling the smudged pot black."

Lance Armstrong is the US doping case where the backroom ecology has been exposed ( at least partly ).
A well organized system of corporate haymaking.
Unsurprising in a country where the state takes a servants backseat :-)

so we are not talking about "victim role" but a(the?) major perpetrator presenting himself
as vastly morally superior to some other perpetrator. ( same sad game Bibby N. plays against Iran.)
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Re: From Russia with truth

Thu May 03, 2018 12:30 pm

WIederling wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
No, individuals need to be punished and thus held accountable, if the perpetrator is the state, the state needs to be held accountable and thus punished. I understand that your strategy is putting Russia in the victim role, but remember that except for a few hardcore Russian devotees, everyone else sees this difference very clearly and thus sees it for what it is: Cheating by the Russian state for propaganda purposes.


Der Wurm windet ..
but It remains "the well sooted kettle calling the smudged pot black."

Lance Armstrong is the US doping case where the backroom ecology has been exposed ( at least partly ).
A well organized system of corporate haymaking.
Unsurprising in a country where the state takes a servants backseat :-)

so we are not talking about "victim role" but a(the?) major perpetrator presenting himself
as vastly morally superior to some other perpetrator. ( same sad game Bibby N. plays against Iran.)


You still not get, or unwillingness to understand, who actually is the perpetrator.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Fri May 04, 2018 7:27 am

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You still not get, or unwillingness to understand, who actually is the perpetrator.


To realize your error I'd advise you to (re?) read "Animal Farm" by George Orwell.
You are arguing the case for "non equal pigs" here.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Fri May 04, 2018 7:40 am

WIederling wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
You still not get, or unwillingness to understand, who actually is the perpetrator.


To realize your error I'd advise you to (re?) read "Animal Farm" by George Orwell.
You are arguing the case for "non equal pigs" here.


Haha, you are funny though, I give you that.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Fri May 04, 2018 9:15 pm

I am amused by the poor attempts of nefarious propagandists to present life in Russia on the patterns of Western media.
Let's analyze the subject:

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The picture is absolutely unclear what is going on. A bunch of teenagers who are busy with something.
Let's compare it with "the most democratic country in the world":
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Oh, that cruel Russian police!
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It's not like the Dutch police beating people up with humanistic batons, is it?
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lol, cartoons, really?
Undoubtedly, the painted pictures testify to horrors of Putin's Russia
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Whait, OH SHI...
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Horror of horrors, cruel mode of feeding prisoners vinaigrette!
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It's inhuman to feed the prisoners VEGETABLES! Another crime of Putin's regime!

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In an awful Putin's Russia leading the anti-government publications, such as "Echo of Moscow", funded by the government sources.
In "free democratic Europe" and in "democratic US " prohibit RT.

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This is a photo from 2008 when Russia prevented Georgia from staging a genocide against Ossetians in South Ossetia, right? Dutchy, so you're advocating genocide against the civilian population of South Ossetia, I understand you, Herr Nazi?

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Lol, this photo was taken 23 years ago, judging by the flag tank belonged to Chechen militants, many of whom subsequently fled, and now joined the ranks of ISIS. I would like to remind you that Western countries supported these militants who abducted and killed people, blew up houses in Moscow, took hostages in Nord-OST and Beslan.


I believe I have covered in some detail the poor attempt of the Western propagandist to discredit the image of Russia in this topic.
 
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Re: From Russia with truth

Fri May 04, 2018 10:37 pm

Scorpius wrote:
I am amused by the poor attempts of nefarious propagandists to present life in Russia on the patterns of Western media.
Let's analyze the subject:

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The picture is absolutely unclear what is going on. A bunch of teenagers who are busy with something.
Let's compare it with "the most democratic country in the world":
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Oh, that cruel Russian police!
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It's not like the Dutch police beating people up with humanistic batons, is it?
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lol, cartoons, really?
Undoubtedly, the painted pictures testify to horrors of Putin's Russia
Image
Whait, OH SHI...
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Horror of horrors, cruel mode of feeding prisoners vinaigrette!
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It's inhuman to feed the prisoners VEGETABLES! Another crime of Putin's regime!

Image
In an awful Putin's Russia leading the anti-government publications, such as "Echo of Moscow", funded by the government sources.
In "free democratic Europe" and in "democratic US " prohibit RT.

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This is a photo from 2008 when Russia prevented Georgia from staging a genocide against Ossetians in South Ossetia, right? Dutchy, so you're advocating genocide against the civilian population of South Ossetia, I understand you, Herr Nazi?

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Lol, this photo was taken 23 years ago, judging by the flag tank belonged to Chechen militants, many of whom subsequently fled, and now joined the ranks of ISIS. I would like to remind you that Western countries supported these militants who abducted and killed people, blew up houses in Moscow, took hostages in Nord-OST and Beslan.


I believe I have covered in some detail the poor attempt of the Western propagandist to discredit the image of Russia in this topic.


Lol, a passive-aggressive way of not directly responding to me.

1. These teens are beating up and humiliating a gay teen. Guess you don't mind because he is gay.
2. These Americans were punished, these teens were kind of applauded.
3. Yes, the Russian police are cruel and corrupt. Corruption I have experienced myself.
4. Dutch Police broke-up a provocation by the Turkish government. It was deemed correct by the impartial Dutch judges. Are Russian judges impartial, not according to research?
5. State of Russian prisons, yes quite cruel. One can judge a society how they handle the worst in society, not the "best".
6. Russia Today = Russian propaganda, so not press ;-)
7. Are you trying to get me upset by calling me a NAZI? I have heard worse from you. I am not taking you seriously anyhow.
8. Sorry, you are right, I should have taken a photo of a blown-up Syrian hospital.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Sat May 05, 2018 6:38 pm

Haha, Wlederling, really? This is the best you can come up with? Do you really want to put The Netherlands against Russia in terms of violence, gay rights and far-right politics? And to top it off with Geert Wilders, a member of parliament with hardly any influence anymore.

1. Beverwijk --> incident of 21 years ago, two hooligan groups whom decided to fight each other in a field. Grown men voluntarily beating each other up. What is your point?
2. Yes, there is an issue with gay's walking hand-in-hand and some immigrant groups. It is being addressed. What is your point?
3. National Socialist in the 1930's and 40's of the last century? What is your point?
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Re: From Russia with truth

Sun May 06, 2018 6:53 am

Interesting article about the state of affairs in Russia (in Dutch) https://www.nu.nl/weekend/5249024/vierd ... sduif.html

Highlights:
- Putin's regime/political elite has 2 priorities: own interest and own bank account
- Putin's regime: a system of corruption and abuse of power with Putin as a referee at the top of this pyramid
- no economic reform: a large part of the Russian economy is based on fossil fuels, in the Middle East they try to diversify, not so in Russia while the world starts with the energy transition. Russian elite only their own interest.
- If Russia would truly work on economic reform would mean part of the iron fist against Russia will have to let go
- Most political elite main interest is whom is going to lead after Putin in 2024
- EU will only welcome more closely economic ties with Russia if will stop with its aggression against Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. --> not possible because part of Putin's popularity is based on this aggression and it distracts Russians from their problems
- Healthcare reform, education reform or social benefits reform, has no priority for Putin's regime and thus will not happen
- Amnesty International warned in recent years for the severely increased restrictions in the area of freedom of expression. Media is kept under control and a law is passed that further restricts access to the internet.
- The average Russian only sees Kremlin TV, which proclaims that the US is an evil power that wants to force Russia on its knees, with Europe as a slave. (the result can be seen here, the Kremlin adapts mimic this)
- Russian sincerely believe that the supreme leader of the country is not part of the corrupt mechanism; that used to be the case with the tsars. And the state media confirm that image. for instance: everyone is blamed for the fact that wages are not paid, except for the government.
- Young Russians who realize what kind of country they grow up can do two things: adapt to the corrupt system and try to profit from it, or they will flee the country hoping to find a better life. Such a brain drain will not be hopeful for the Russian future

Not a hopeful analysis, but it is what it is.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Sun May 06, 2018 9:50 am

WIederling wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Interesting article about the state of affairs in Russia (in Dutch) https://www.nu.nl/weekend/5249024/vierd ... sduif.html


Gesinnungsaufsatz?
We have this nice reporter Golineh Atai here on TV that breathlessly invents facts about Russia from whole cloth.


Alright, I will call your bluff. Could you please point where this article is factually wrong? Of course please include a credible source to show why it is wrong. I am sure you will not answer it yet again, not your ammo to do so.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Sun May 06, 2018 9:51 am

Dutchy wrote:
Interesting article about the state of affairs in Russia (in Dutch) https://www.nu.nl/weekend/5249024/vierd ... sduif.html


Gesinnungsaufsatz?
We have this nice reporter Golineh Atai here on TV that breathlessly invents facts about Russia from whole cloth.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Mon May 07, 2018 2:59 am

Dutchy wrote:
Interesting article about the state of affairs in Russia (in Dutch) https://www.nu.nl/weekend/5249024/vierd ... sduif.html

Highlights:
- Putin's regime/political elite has 2 priorities: own interest and own bank account
- Putin's regime: a system of corruption and abuse of power with Putin as a referee at the top of this pyramid
- no economic reform: a large part of the Russian economy is based on fossil fuels, in the Middle East they try to diversify, not so in Russia while the world starts with the energy transition. Russian elite only their own interest.
- If Russia would truly work on economic reform would mean part of the iron fist against Russia will have to let go
- Most political elite main interest is whom is going to lead after Putin in 2024
- EU will only welcome more closely economic ties with Russia if will stop with its aggression against Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. --> not possible because part of Putin's popularity is based on this aggression and it distracts Russians from their problems
- Healthcare reform, education reform or social benefits reform, has no priority for Putin's regime and thus will not happen
- Amnesty International warned in recent years for the severely increased restrictions in the area of freedom of expression. Media is kept under control and a law is passed that further restricts access to the internet.
- The average Russian only sees Kremlin TV, which proclaims that the US is an evil power that wants to force Russia on its knees, with Europe as a slave. (the result can be seen here, the Kremlin adapts mimic this)
- Russian sincerely believe that the supreme leader of the country is not part of the corrupt mechanism; that used to be the case with the tsars. And the state media confirm that image. for instance: everyone is blamed for the fact that wages are not paid, except for the government.
- Young Russians who realize what kind of country they grow up can do two things: adapt to the corrupt system and try to profit from it, or they will flee the country hoping to find a better life. Such a brain drain will not be hopeful for the Russian future

Not a hopeful analysis, but it is what it is.

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* Note to sane people: every statement in that article by reference is either a complete lie or a distortion of the facts.
 
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Re: From Russia with truth

Mon May 07, 2018 6:16 am

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* Note to sane people: every statement in that article by reference is either a complete lie or a distortion of the facts.


Check, I will give your opinion to the people whom were interviewed for this article: Tony van der Togt | Instituut Clingendael (prestige foreign relation institute); Kraft van Ermel | Rijksuniversiteit Groningen; Helga Salemon | research agency Most; Amnesty International.

I especially like that you can dismiss everything by just stating that it is a lie and thus dismissing these professionals with one stroke without the need for evidence. Oh wait, you have zero credibility. Even your promise not to react to me anymore has been broken two times and counting. :lol:
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Re: From Russia with truth

Mon May 07, 2018 6:57 am

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Even your promise not to react to me anymore has been broken two times and counting. :lol:

You've been following me all over the sub-site for over a month trying to get my attention. Well, you can now celebrate this event - to show how unimportant I am to you, you rode into the theme created by me, to begin to carry ridiculous nonsense about Russia. What depth of fall are you still able to reach? Continuing the experiment, the ignore mode is switched on again .
 
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Re: From Russia with truth

Mon May 07, 2018 7:06 am

Scorpius wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Scorpius wrote:
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Even your promise not to react to me anymore has been broken two times and counting. :lol:

You've been following me all over the sub-site for over a month trying to get my attention. Well, you can now celebrate this event - to show how unimportant I am to you, you rode into the theme created by me, to begin to carry ridiculous nonsense about Russia. What depth of fall are you still able to reach? Continuing the experiment, the ignore mode is switched on again .


Oh Scorpius, you are an endless source of entertainment. All shouting, no substance. Typical for most Putin devotees, continue to believe Putin is the best and your country is top notched, continue to live in denial.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Mon May 07, 2018 12:29 pm

The Bellingcat Investigation Team has determined conclusively that the artillery attack on the Ukrainian town of Mariupol on 24 January 2015, which resulted at least 30 civilian deaths and over 100 injuries, came from Russia-controlled territory. Bellingcat has also determined that the shelling operation was instructed, directed and supervised by Russian military commanders in active service with the Russian Ministry of Defense. Bellingcat has identified nine Russian officers, including one general, two colonels, and three lieutenant colonels, involved directly with the military operation.

Furthermore, Bellingcat has determined that two artillery batteries of Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS) were transported from Russia into Ukraine the day before the Mariupol operation. In the early morning of 24 January 2015, these batteries were deployed near the village of Bezimenne exclusively for the shelling of targets in and around Mariupol, after which they were repatriated back into Russia.

In the course of analyzing the events in the eve of and on 24 January 2015, Bellingcat has also identified two Russian generals involved with the selection and assignment of Russian artillery specialists to commanding roles in eastern Ukraine.

http://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-e ... ry-strike/
 
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Re: From Russia with truth

Mon May 07, 2018 12:42 pm

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The Bellingcat Investigation Team has determined conclusively that the artillery attack on the Ukrainian town of Mariupol on 24 January 2015, which resulted at least 30 civilian deaths and over 100 injuries, came from Russia-controlled territory. Bellingcat has also determined that the shelling operation was instructed, directed and supervised by Russian military commanders in active service with the Russian Ministry of Defense. Bellingcat has identified nine Russian officers, including one general, two colonels, and three lieutenant colonels, involved directly with the military operation.

Furthermore, Bellingcat has determined that two artillery batteries of Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS) were transported from Russia into Ukraine the day before the Mariupol operation. In the early morning of 24 January 2015, these batteries were deployed near the village of Bezimenne exclusively for the shelling of targets in and around Mariupol, after which they were repatriated back into Russia.

In the course of analyzing the events in the eve of and on 24 January 2015, Bellingcat has also identified two Russian generals involved with the selection and assignment of Russian artillery specialists to commanding roles in eastern Ukraine.

http://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-e ... ry-strike/


The OVSE has concluded this numerous of times, including many times military equipment that is only in use with the Russian military. So this doesn't come as a surprise to anyone whom is objective.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Mon May 07, 2018 1:53 pm

So "president" Putin can go on with his autocratic regime for another 6 years. Till 2024 nothing will change and probably thereafter also nothing, such a shame for such a beautiful country.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44024184
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Re: From Russia with truth

Tue May 08, 2018 8:29 am

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The Bellingcat Investigation Team has determined conclusively that the artillery attack on the Ukrainian town of Mariupol on 24 January 2015, which resulted at least 30 civilian deaths and over 100 injuries, came from Russia-controlled territory. Bellingcat has also determined that the shelling operation was instructed, directed and supervised by Russian military commanders in active service with the Russian Ministry of Defense. Bellingcat has identified nine Russian officers, including one general, two colonels, and three lieutenant colonels, involved directly with the military operation.

Furthermore, Bellingcat has determined that two artillery batteries of Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS) were transported from Russia into Ukraine the day before the Mariupol operation. In the early morning of 24 January 2015, these batteries were deployed near the village of Bezimenne exclusively for the shelling of targets in and around Mariupol, after which they were repatriated back into Russia.

In the course of analyzing the events in the eve of and on 24 January 2015, Bellingcat has also identified two Russian generals involved with the selection and assignment of Russian artillery specialists to commanding roles in eastern Ukraine.

http://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-e ... ry-strike/

The information is very similar to some hoax. It is doubtful that the coordination of such attacks can be carried out by mobile communication. That's one. Second: it is impossible to identify people who are talking on the records. Third - the link bellingket latest video from the second two speakers clearly suggests that he does not understand what is happening and which side it was fired. From this conversation it is easy the conclusion: either this is not the result of firing by the militia, or unintended actions. The artillery has a fairly large scatter when fired, and misses quite often, especially when artillery crews are not experienced enough. Ukrainian army because of this loves to equip the position of residential buildings, hiding behind civilians as a shield: [url]https://ru.bellingcat.com/novosti/ukraine/2017/11/14/civilian-shellings-ukraine/
[/url]For example, a photo from Avdiivka controlled by Ukrainian troops, 1.02.2017 - heavy equipment, the use of which in the conflict zone is prohibited by the Minsk agreements, is located in residential development. At the same time, the cars of the OSCE mission, which should monitor compliance with the Minsk agreements, are clearly visible in the photo:
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http://russian-vesna.ru/basurin-ob-ukrainskix-tankax-v-avdeevke-obse-sposobstvuyut-obostreniyu-situacii/
So, what I'm saying is. There is an attempt to replace the concepts. If we talk specifically about the impact of January 24, 2015, according to the materials of the same bellingket follows that the blow was unintentional. Thus on the presented materials it is impossible to identify accessory of the artillery which struck blow, to armed forces of the Russian Federation. Highly likely, the blow was delivered by the militia of Donbass, and not a professional artillery of the armed forces of the Russian Federation.

Unlike the deliberate targeting of civilian targets by the United States and Saudi Arabia, for example:
https://ru.bellingcat.com/novosti/mena/2017/04/18/airstrike-mosque-new-timeline/
https://ru.bellingcat.com/novosti/mena/2017/03/21/confirmed-airstrike-on-mosque-aleppo/
https://ru.bellingcat.com/novosti/mena/2018/05/01/american-bomb-yemen-wedding/
 
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Re: From Russia with truth

Tue May 08, 2018 8:45 am

At Putin's inauguration on may 7, 2018, a new Russian Executive car was officially presented. The car has received the name of "Senate-Limo", developed in the framework of the project "Cortege".
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In the free sale of cars will come at prices >10 million rubles (>$160.000).
The car under the hood has a 4.4-liter V8 with a capacity of 600 "horses" and a torque of 880 Nm. But the project provides for the installation of the engine producing 850 horsepower with a thrust of 1320 Nm. The V12 with four turbochargers is still undergoing finishing tests. Both engines are designed in conjunction with Porsche and are hybrid powerplants. Paired with the engine works and the electric motor-generator. It saves a little fuel and helps the main engine with intense acceleration. The total weight of the car is about 6 metric tons.
The vehicle length is 6 620 mm, width 2,000 mm, height 1,695 mm, ground clearance of 200 mm.
The vehicles should arrive under the trademark "Aurus".
 
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Re: From Russia with truth

Tue May 08, 2018 8:53 am

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At Putin's inauguration on may 7, 2018, a new Russian Executive car was officially presented. The car has received the name of "Senate-Limo", developed in the framework of the project "Cortege".
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In the free sale of cars will come at prices >10 million rubles (>$160.000).
The car under the hood has a 4.4-liter V8 with a capacity of 600 "horses" and a torque of 880 Nm. But the project provides for the installation of the engine producing 850 horsepower with a thrust of 1320 Nm. The V12 with four turbochargers is still undergoing finishing tests. Both engines are designed in conjunction with Porsche and are hybrid powerplants. Paired with the engine works and the electric motor-generator. It saves a little fuel and helps the main engine with intense acceleration. The total weight of the car is about 6 metric tons.
The vehicle length is 6 620 mm, width 2,000 mm, height 1,695 mm, ground clearance of 200 mm.
The vehicles should arrive under the trademark "Aurus".


Looks like a Rolls Royce knock-off in front and a Mercedes S-class at the back. But it is kind of nice and with a Porsche motor it must be nice 8-)
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Re: From Russia with truth

Tue May 08, 2018 8:55 am

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Scipio wrote:
The Bellingcat Investigation Team has determined conclusively that the artillery attack on the Ukrainian town of Mariupol on 24 January 2015, which resulted at least 30 civilian deaths and over 100 injuries, came from Russia-controlled territory. Bellingcat has also determined that the shelling operation was instructed, directed and supervised by Russian military commanders in active service with the Russian Ministry of Defense. Bellingcat has identified nine Russian officers, including one general, two colonels, and three lieutenant colonels, involved directly with the military operation.

Furthermore, Bellingcat has determined that two artillery batteries of Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS) were transported from Russia into Ukraine the day before the Mariupol operation. In the early morning of 24 January 2015, these batteries were deployed near the village of Bezimenne exclusively for the shelling of targets in and around Mariupol, after which they were repatriated back into Russia.

In the course of analyzing the events in the eve of and on 24 January 2015, Bellingcat has also identified two Russian generals involved with the selection and assignment of Russian artillery specialists to commanding roles in eastern Ukraine.

http://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-e ... ry-strike/

The information is very similar to some hoax. It is doubtful that the coordination of such attacks can be carried out by mobile communication. That's one. Second: it is impossible to identify people who are talking on the records. Third - the link bellingket latest video from the second two speakers clearly suggests that he does not understand what is happening and which side it was fired. From this conversation it is easy the conclusion: either this is not the result of firing by the militia, or unintended actions. The artillery has a fairly large scatter when fired, and misses quite often, especially when artillery crews are not experienced enough. Ukrainian army because of this loves to equip the position of residential buildings, hiding behind civilians as a shield: [url]https://ru.bellingcat.com/novosti/ukraine/2017/11/14/civilian-shellings-ukraine/
[/url]For example, a photo from Avdiivka controlled by Ukrainian troops, 1.02.2017 - heavy equipment, the use of which in the conflict zone is prohibited by the Minsk agreements, is located in residential development. At the same time, the cars of the OSCE mission, which should monitor compliance with the Minsk agreements, are clearly visible in the photo:
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http://russian-vesna.ru/basurin-ob-ukrainskix-tankax-v-avdeevke-obse-sposobstvuyut-obostreniyu-situacii/
So, what I'm saying is. There is an attempt to replace the concepts. If we talk specifically about the impact of January 24, 2015, according to the materials of the same bellingket follows that the blow was unintentional. Thus on the presented materials it is impossible to identify accessory of the artillery which struck blow, to armed forces of the Russian Federation. Highly likely, the blow was delivered by the militia of Donbass, and not a professional artillery of the armed forces of the Russian Federation.

Unlike the deliberate targeting of civilian targets by the United States and Saudi Arabia, for example:
https://ru.bellingcat.com/novosti/mena/2017/04/18/airstrike-mosque-new-timeline/
https://ru.bellingcat.com/novosti/mena/2017/03/21/confirmed-airstrike-on-mosque-aleppo/
https://ru.bellingcat.com/novosti/mena/2018/05/01/american-bomb-yemen-wedding/


Ok, so you believe Bellingcat when they critize the US, but you are in utter disbelieve when Bellingcat critize Russia. How do you rhime this with eachother? I for one believe both cases.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Tue May 08, 2018 1:38 pm

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So "president" Putin can go on with his autocratic regime for another 6 years. Till 2024 nothing will change and probably thereafter also nothing, such a shame for such a beautiful country.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44024184


Yup. And I as a Russian along with over 70% of my compatriots couldn't be happier. Democracy in action. You know, when the will of the majority is heard.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Tue May 08, 2018 2:54 pm

tu204 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
So "president" Putin can go on with his autocratic regime for another 6 years. Till 2024 nothing will change and probably thereafter also nothing, such a shame for such a beautiful country.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44024184


Yup. And I as a Russian along with over 70% of my compatriots couldn't be happier. Democracy in action. You know, when the will of the majority is heard.


If you think that is a democracy, you do not know the first thing about that, compadre.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Wed May 09, 2018 9:18 am

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My grandfather, Foma Yakovlevich Goncharov, 343оатр Fourth Ukrainian front. Was called to the front in 1941, passed all the Great Patriotic war. Defended Rostov-on-don and the Caucasus. Liberated Ukraine, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic. Awarded the medal "For military merit" and the order of the Patriotic war II degree.
 
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Re: From Russia with truth

Wed May 09, 2018 10:07 am

Dutchy wrote:
tu204 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
So "president" Putin can go on with his autocratic regime for another 6 years. Till 2024 nothing will change and probably thereafter also nothing, such a shame for such a beautiful country.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44024184


Yup. And I as a Russian along with over 70% of my compatriots couldn't be happier. Democracy in action. You know, when the will of the majority is heard.


If you think that is a democracy, you do not know the first thing about that, compadre.


Again, don't care about your definition of democracy. Mine is "Rule of the people" or "rule of the majority". So when the overwhelming majority of Russians support the current President, that is democracy in my books.

And just for your information and so you stop making uneducated posts about Russians, who you clearly don't know much about, "almost all Russians" don't get their news from "Kremlin controlled TV". Maybe the 40+ or 45+ age group. Most others use this thing called the internet.

Or do you think the crazy high turnout at Russian Embassies abroad during these elections two months ago is because Russians abroad sit at home with their doors and windows shut all day watching Russian TV channels? :banghead: Or maybe it is because the propaganda in western media backfired and people are sick of the complete bullshit being fed to them and were willing to stand in line to vote for hours (like in New York City)? :scratchchin:
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Re: From Russia with truth

Wed May 09, 2018 11:16 am

tu204 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
tu204 wrote:

Yup. And I as a Russian along with over 70% of my compatriots couldn't be happier. Democracy in action. You know, when the will of the majority is heard.


If you think that is a democracy, you do not know the first thing about that, compadre.


Again, don't care about your definition of democracy. Mine is "Rule of the people" or "rule of the majority". So when the overwhelming majority of Russians support the current President, that is democracy in my books.

And just for your information and so you stop making uneducated posts about Russians, who you clearly don't know much about, "almost all Russians" don't get their news from "Kremlin controlled TV". Maybe the 40+ or 45+ age group. Most others use this thing called the internet.

Or do you think the crazy high turnout at Russian Embassies abroad during these elections two months ago is because Russians abroad sit at home with their doors and windows shut all day watching Russian TV channels? :banghead: Or maybe it is because the propaganda in western media backfired and people are sick of the complete bullshit being fed to them and were willing to stand in line to vote for hours (like in New York City)? :scratchchin:


It is not my definition of democracy, it is the accepted definition of democracy and Russia is an autocratic regime, or would you call North Korea a democracy? In your definition, it probably fits.

For a working democracy you need:
- educated people --> Russia :checkmark:
- not much corruption --> Russia :tapedshut:
- free and independent media --> Russia :tapedshut: ( the internet is restricted in Russia, remember Telegram? )
- independent justice system --> Russia :tapedshut:
- all people whom stand for election should be treated equal --> Russia :tapedshut:
- which will result free elections --> Russia :tapedshut:

And moreover, in a truly free democracy, minorities will be protected by the state --> Russia :tapedshut:

That you don't want to hear the truth about your country is fine, but don't claim it to be a democracy just because supposedly 70% plus voted for one candidate. It only makes you look foolish.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Wed May 09, 2018 11:24 am

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people are sick of the complete bullshit being fed to them and were willing to stand in line to vote for hours (like in New York City)? :scratchchin:

Going back where they came from would be a much more effective way to protest.
 
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Re: From Russia with truth

Wed May 09, 2018 4:52 pm

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Action "Immortal regiment", held in memory of the soldiers who defeated Nazism, only in Moscow gathered almost a million participants.
https://youtu.be/lcT2xx5oJ9I

Anyone could take part in the action. Every year around the world on may 9, people go out into the streets with photos of their relatives who took part in the liberation of the world from Nazism. In a sign that we remember the heroism of the people. As long as we remember these heroes alive.
https://youtu.be/WY0ESehzCBo
One of the manifestations of democracy, which, according to some participants of this forum, in Russia allegedly not.
 
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Re: From Russia with truth

Wed May 09, 2018 6:44 pm

You are calling the Stalin regime, which first embraced Nazism because they could strike a deal and "get" part of Poland and then they indeed Stalin sacrificed a lot of Russians to defeat Hitler in the end, democratic? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I give you another very democratic manifestations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzPvhrh7gLM

Oh this is such fun and almost cruel because it is far too easy to demonstrate that Scorpius is either so naive to believe all the crap coming from the Putin regime or demonstrate that Scorpius is a paid troll.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Wed May 09, 2018 9:01 pm

Browse another stupid propaganda American TV series:
https://youtu.be/x3Jxv88o6j0
 
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Re: From Russia with truth

Thu May 10, 2018 4:27 am

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Browse another stupid propaganda American TV series:
https://youtu.be/x3Jxv88o6j0


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

No clue why you even bother posting this crab.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Sat May 12, 2018 11:53 am

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The first flight of the second copy of the MS-21-300 took place.
 
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Re: From Russia with truth

Mon May 14, 2018 1:38 pm

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Previously it was announced that the launch of traffic on the automotive part of the Kerch bridge will take place on may 16.
Kerch bridge (officially called the Crimean bridge) connects the territory of the Crimean Peninsula with the mainland of Russia.
The railway part of the bridge is still under construction and should be launched at the end of 2019.
 
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Re: From Russia with truth

Mon May 14, 2018 9:08 pm

Illegal bridge to an illegally annexed territory. A number of Dutch companies played a part in the construction - guess Russia didn't have that technology if they went to a Dutch firm to help them build it - and they are in trouble with the law because of it. It is part of the sanctions against Russia.

So I don't know why it is so proudly displayed here? It is like a burglar proudly displaying his spoils of a crime.

And I guess Scorpius didn't like the comments made about the MS-21 and had them removed because they are gone, while the second MS-21 first flight is quite impropriated to mention here in the general forum. So perhaps he can have this comment removed as well since he dislikes all negative comments about Russia.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Tue May 15, 2018 7:39 am

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And I guess Scorpius didn't like the comments made about the MS-21 and had them removed .................................
So perhaps he can have this comment removed as well since he dislikes all negative comments about Russia.


Bad hair day, Dutchy?

You can bring a post to the attention of the moderation team for various reasons like lack of content or
ad hominem attacks and that team will then decide ( in theory using objective metrics ... ).

You can not "have it removed" for "dislike".
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Re: From Russia with truth

Tue May 15, 2018 7:57 am

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Dutchy wrote:
And I guess Scorpius didn't like the comments made about the MS-21 and had them removed .................................
So perhaps he can have this comment removed as well since he dislikes all negative comments about Russia.


Bad hair day, Dutchy?

You can bring a post to the attention of the moderation team for various reasons like lack of content or
ad hominem attacks and that team will then decide ( in theory using objective metrics ... ).

You can not "have it removed" for "dislike".


If I could do that for ad hominem's Scorpius would be out :lol:
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Re: From Russia with truth

Tue May 15, 2018 9:29 am

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Bad hair day, Dutchy?

You can bring a post to the attention of the moderation team for various reasons like lack of content or
ad hominem attacks and that team will then decide ( in theory using objective metrics ... ).

You can not "have it removed" for "dislike".

He modestly conceals that the posts contained insults and were aimed at inciting hatred on ethnic grounds.
 
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Re: From Russia with truth

Tue May 15, 2018 11:37 am

For those who are interested: link to the live broadcast of the opening ceremony of the bridge in Crimea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4edK9kuvlDo
 
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Re: From Russia with truth

Tue May 15, 2018 11:48 am

I don't often side with Dutchy, but the way you are defending the abysmal state of affairs in Russia is absolutely reprehensible, Scorpius. Russia is a mafia state.
 
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Re: From Russia with truth

Tue May 15, 2018 12:34 pm

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For those who are interested: link to the live broadcast of the opening ceremony of the bridge in Crimea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4edK9kuvlDo


It cannot be repeated enough: illegal bridge, illegally built on illegally occupied Ukrainian territory.

Nothing to be proud of.

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