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Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:51 am

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I personally think it is more to the advantage of Putin to be seen as such in Russia, not abroad. Just to keep his post it is necessary to be seen as such and he has a lot of $$$$$ riding on it.

In the west, this kind of personal glorification is laughed at.


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All busy looking for the next wardrobe malfunction, outhouse boob and who betrayed whom in the yellow pressed haute volé.
did Diane use condoms when she bertrayed Dodi?
Most Western people are sated and not really interested in politics.
Afaics Putin's "son in law I wishd for" panders to that voyeuristic leaning. innoculation against the foreign paid populists busy in the RF.
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Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:13 pm

meaningless dribble.
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Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:51 am

Maybe the question is a little too broad, but what do media, government and people in Russia think about Chinese belt and road initiative when it comes to its effect in Russia?
 
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Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:57 am

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Maybe the question is a little too broad, but what do media, government and people in Russia think about Chinese belt and road initiative when it comes to its effect in Russia?

Russiabot monitoring shows this isn't high interest to them right now. They're focusing on the shitshow in Syria right now. I'm not willing to watch rt to get this info for you so I guess the russian should speak.
 
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Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:34 pm

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Maybe the question is a little too broad, but what do media, government and people in Russia think about Chinese belt and road initiative when it comes to its effect in Russia?

What do you understand by the term "Chinese belt and road initiative"?
In Russia, we understand that China pursues its own interests, and in this respect you could catch a change in the foreign policy rhetoric of Russian representatives - if earlier in our speeches some countries we called "friendly", now only "partners" are left.
Just business and nothing personal, as the Russian politicians say.
If you want a mutually beneficial cooperation - Russia has something to interest you. If you want enmity - Russia has something to answer these challenges.
Speaking specifically about China, at present China has proved to be a much more reliable partner than Western countries. In connection with this, major infrastructure problems are now being implemented in Russia in cooperation with China.
The main ones are the construction of the "Power of Siberia" gas pipeline, the construction of a high-speed railway from Moscow to Kazan, followed by an extension to Yekaterinburg and Ulyanovsk, through which trains will move at speeds up to 360 km/h, as well as the implementation of the development of the North sea route, which will reduce the length of the shipping route from China to Europe almost three times (5,600 kilometers against 14,000 kilometers, if floating through the Suez canal). In addition, the Baikal-Amur railway and the TRANS-Siberian railway are being upgraded to increase their capacity. This will also make it possible to implement a joint program to create a "great silk road" from China to Europe. In General, investments from China are now helping to improve Russia's infrastructure in the Siberian part and in the far Eastern region of Russia, and this is a task, in its complexity and volume of investments comparable to the colonization of the moon or Mars.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:50 am

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh39Lhyhnkq/?taken-at=495807593940532
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In Ukraine, in the city of Poltava, once a monument to the victims of Nazism painted Nazi slogans. The monument painted a Nazi swastika and slogans "Heil Hitler"and "death to the Jews".
These people, these neo-Nazis, are supported by the EU and the US.
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Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:16 pm

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These people, these neo-Nazis, are supported by the EU and the US.


Sad that do this. I know Ukraine is pictured like this in Russia, but that doesn't make it so. These men are despicable, Nazi's are despicable. Russia also has Nazi's: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_N ... list_Party | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#Russia

#sad.
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Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:40 am

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Scorpius wrote:
These people, these neo-Nazis, are supported by the EU and the US.


Sad that do this. I know Ukraine is pictured like this in Russia, but that doesn't make it so. These men are despicable, Nazi's are despicable. Russia also has Nazi's: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_N ... list_Party | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#Russia

#sad.


Sad, I agree. These people are present not only in Russia, but also in Europe. But unlike in Ukraine, in Russia, Europe they are marginal, have very little support and aren’t influencing anything.

In Ukraine though, they regularly organize large torchlight processions, get access to central media, don’t hesitate to give tributes to Hitler. They are numerous (tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands). Some of their groups serve as “guns for hire” for businesses of all sizes or oligarchs. Others - taken into “enforcement” structures of official police (used by some oligarch groups to oppose President), someone else (Azov, also calling themselves a “civil corps”) have structures and divisions in every region, and formed almost a “parallel government” capable to throw away the current one and intercept its functions. Neither in Europe nor in Russia there is something like this.

And the saddest part? EU and the West was just looking when all this was forming, quietly supported all this, and now simply can’t do anything with it. Russians - they don’t care, at least not enough to spend resources on dealing with anything like this.
 
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Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:50 am

45m Ukrainians and let's 100.000 NAZI's, think that is very very high, but heck why not? 0,22% of the population. So you are highly exaggerating their power.
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Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:31 am

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45m Ukrainians and let's 100.000 NAZI's, think that is very very high, but heck why not? 0,22% of the population. So you are highly exaggerating their power.

It’s not about numbers or ratios really. After all, in a normal state percentage of police officers to total population isn’t high either. In that territory, these Nazis first were integrated into state institutions, and later replaced some functions of normal state institutions (some functions of police, security services, customs, military, media regulation even). And given they do have their strong ideology, they of course influence greatly, if not bend, functions of normal state establishments. Plus, they are well funded, supplied with firearms (including armored vehicles, tanks) and report to the top layers of government.

And, of course, they also have advantage in being able to do pretty much whatever they want (including raderdhip, killings, etc. ).
 
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Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:16 am

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45m Ukrainians and let's 100.000 NAZI's, think that is very very high, but heck why not? 0,22% of the population. So you are highly exaggerating their power.


There is continuity from Banderas to todays unkrainian nationalist/nazi groupings.
During Soviet times heavily supported by NATO, the US.
Today a large influential political group with a well organized militia arm acting
autonomously in the civil war in the Eastern Ukraine.

By concept not that much difference to the NSDAP and its SA troopers. ( OK, they don't have a Fuehrer.)
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Re: From Russia with truth

Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:37 pm

WIederling wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
45m Ukrainians and let's 100.000 NAZI's, think that is very very high, but heck why not? 0,22% of the population. So you are highly exaggerating their power.


There is continuity from Banderas to todays unkrainian nationalist/nazi groupings.
During Soviet times heavily supported by NATO, the US.
Today a large influential political group with a well organized militia arm acting
autonomously in the civil war in the Eastern Ukraine.

By concept not that much difference to the NSDAP and its SA troopers. ( OK, they don't have a Fuehrer.)


How many votes did this "large influential political group" did get in the last parliamentary elections? Oh, 1.8%. So, it's just more Russian bullshit, trying to smear any Ukrainian independence-oriented political party or movement, trying to equate them with Nazis. Good thing that the world is slowly catching up on this Russian tactic and stops trusting any info that is coming from Russia. And what are you trying to achieve posting this pictures? You can get them for any country. Here is one from Russia:
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Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:12 pm

Dogman wrote:
WIederling wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
45m Ukrainians and let's 100.000 NAZI's, think that is very very high, but heck why not? 0,22% of the population. So you are highly exaggerating their power.


There is continuity from Banderas to todays unkrainian nationalist/nazi groupings.
During Soviet times heavily supported by NATO, the US.
Today a large influential political group with a well organized militia arm acting
autonomously in the civil war in the Eastern Ukraine.

By concept not that much difference to the NSDAP and its SA troopers. ( OK, they don't have a Fuehrer.)


How many votes did this "large influential political group" did get in the last parliamentary elections? Oh, 1.8%. So, it's just more Russian bullshit, trying to smear any Ukrainian independence-oriented political party or movement, trying to equate them with Nazis.

A rather naive view you present.
Scratch a bit ...
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:28 am

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How many votes did this "large influential political group" did get in the last parliamentary elections? Oh, 1.8%.


In a functional state, 1.8% is not so much. But on that territory these Nazis are a major force resource, well equipped and armed. In a country with degraded law enforcement (if present at all when matters) - when you have a decently sized and equipped military (and they are well organized and equipped) - you don’t care who has what percentage of votes in what parliament.
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:49 pm

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Footage from exercises near Orenburg in 2015, the theme of the exercise is the massive use of helicopters.
A group of 50 Mi-24, Mi-35 and Mi-8AMTSH helicopters landed soldiers in the area and carried out rocket and bomb attacks on the targets of the conventional enemy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kkb3qOBvcc
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:21 pm

WIederling wrote:
Dogman wrote:
WIederling wrote:

There is continuity from Banderas to todays unkrainian nationalist/nazi groupings.
During Soviet times heavily supported by NATO, the US.
Today a large influential political group with a well organized militia arm acting
autonomously in the civil war in the Eastern Ukraine.

By concept not that much difference to the NSDAP and its SA troopers. ( OK, they don't have a Fuehrer.)


How many votes did this "large influential political group" did get in the last parliamentary elections? Oh, 1.8%. So, it's just more Russian bullshit, trying to smear any Ukrainian independence-oriented political party or movement, trying to equate them with Nazis.

A rather naive view you present.
Scratch a bit ...

Naive, right. My brother and a lot of my friends still live in Kiev. I have a pretty good idea what was going on there, and what is going on now. "Naive", that's what Russian say when they lose the argument but don't want to admit it, so they start ad hominem attacks.
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:54 am

Scorpius wrote:
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Footage from exercises near Orenburg in 2015, the theme of the exercise is the massive use of helicopters.
A group of 50 Mi-24, Mi-35 and Mi-8AMTSH helicopters landed soldiers in the area and carried out rocket and bomb attacks on the targets of the conventional enemy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kkb3qOBvcc


Good name, given the 50 helicopters involved. What is your point mentioning an exercise in 2015?
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Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:58 am

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Dogman wrote:
How many votes did this "large influential political group" did get in the last parliamentary elections? Oh, 1.8%.


In a functional state, 1.8% is not so much. But on that territory these Nazis are a major force resource, well equipped and armed. In a country with degraded law enforcement (if present at all when matters) - when you have a decently sized and equipped military (and they are well organized and equipped) - you don’t care who has what percentage of votes in what parliament.


I don't know what you are trying to say here, please clarify.
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Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:59 am

Dutchy wrote:
anrec80 wrote:
Dogman wrote:
How many votes did this "large influential political group" did get in the last parliamentary elections? Oh, 1.8%.


In a functional state, 1.8% is not so much. But on that territory these Nazis are a major force resource, well equipped and armed. In a country with degraded law enforcement (if present at all when matters) - when you have a decently sized and equipped military (and they are well organized and equipped) - you don’t care who has what percentage of votes in what parliament.


I don't know what you are trying to say here, please clarify.


That the Banderas evolved nationalists military arm aka "extralegal army" provided very strong if not the majority of forces against the separatists.
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Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:23 pm

WIederling wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
anrec80 wrote:

In a functional state, 1.8% is not so much. But on that territory these Nazis are a major force resource, well equipped and armed. In a country with degraded law enforcement (if present at all when matters) - when you have a decently sized and equipped military (and they are well organized and equipped) - you don’t care who has what percentage of votes in what parliament.


I don't know what you are trying to say here, please clarify.


That the Banderas evolved nationalists military arm aka "extralegal army" provided very strong if not the majority of forces against the separatists.


Well, that's another lie. First of all, equating Bandera with Nazis it's another Russian dirty trick. He definitely wasn't an angel, but his only objective was Ukrainian independence. When Germans were looking like they may help to achieve that he did team up with them. When it became clear that that's not going to happen, he turned against them. In fact, he spent most of the Second World war in a Nazi concentration camp.
As for 2014, thanks to the Russian-controlled president, who installed Russian spies as the Minister of Defence and the Chief of Intelligence Services, Ukrainian army was totally incapacitated. The chain of command was broken. The main force that was resisting Russian stealthy invasion were volunteer battalions, funded by other oligarchs and Ukraine-wide fundraising. And most of the people who volunteered were from the Central and Eastern Ukraine, simply because those areas are more populous. Right now it's all in the past. The army has been rebuilt and the chain of command is restored. There are still a lot of problems, of course, and volunteer forces are still fighting, but there are very few of them left. They are acting in cooperation with Ukrainian army, which does the bulk of the fighting. You can see it by the reports from the Eastern front, which frequently mentioning artillery and multiple rocket launchers strikes from both sides. Volunteer battalions never had this kind of equipment.
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:14 am

Dogman wrote:
WIederling wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

I don't know what you are trying to say here, please clarify.


That the Banderas evolved nationalists military arm aka "extralegal army" provided very strong if not the majority of forces against the separatists.


Well, that's another lie. First of all, equating Bandera with Nazis it's another Russian dirty trick. He definitely wasn't an angel, but his only objective was Ukrainian independence. When Germans were looking like they may help to achieve that he did team up with them. When it became clear that that's not going to happen, he turned against them. In fact, he spent most of the Second World war in a Nazi concentration camp.
As for 2014, thanks to the Russian-controlled president, who installed Russian spies as the Minister of Defence and the Chief of Intelligence Services, Ukrainian army was totally incapacitated. The chain of command was broken. The main force that was resisting Russian stealthy invasion were volunteer battalions, funded by other oligarchs and Ukraine-wide fundraising. And most of the people who volunteered were from the Central and Eastern Ukraine, simply because those areas are more populous. Right now it's all in the past. The army has been rebuilt and the chain of command is restored. There are still a lot of problems, of course, and volunteer forces are still fighting, but there are very few of them left. They are acting in cooperation with Ukrainian army, which does the bulk of the fighting. You can see it by the reports from the Eastern front, which frequently mentioning artillery and multiple rocket launchers strikes from both sides. Volunteer battalions never had this kind of equipment.


Cool.

What is your opinion of the following:
A part of the Ukranian population did not like the President and decided to deal with this by staging a coup and overthrowing him.

Then when another part of your population in Eastern Ukraine did the exact same thing, taking over government building and so on, this new "government" in Kiev, which came to power by way of an armed coup, decided to use force against them, sending in the Army. Something that the overthrown President did not do by the way.

So please tell me, why do you think the people in the East of Ukraine do not have the right to do something, that others from your country did just a few months ago?
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:21 pm

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What is your opinion of the following:
A part of the Ukranian population did not like the President and decided to deal with this by staging a coup and overthrowing him.

Then when another part of your population in Eastern Ukraine did the exact same thing, taking over government building and so on, this new "government" in Kiev, which came to power by way of an armed coup, decided to use force against them, sending in the Army. Something that the overthrown President did not do by the way.

So please tell me, why do you think the people in the East of Ukraine do not have the right to do something, that others from your country did just a few months ago?


What is your opinion? Do people in Syria have the right to uprise against their dictator? Do people in Chechnia have that right? Do people in Crimea have the right to a fair referendum or all the other places Russia has intervened in the recent past?
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:33 pm

Photos from the Parade rehearsal for the Victory Day:

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armored car "Typhoon-K"

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BTR based on the platform "Boomerang"

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BMP B-10 based on the "Kurganets-25" platform

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Reconnaissance and strike UAV "Corsair". Can carry on Board the supersonic guided anti-tank missiles "Attack" (NATO classification AT-9 Spiral-2) Red stars on Board - an interesting detail. In aviation, usually such stars indicate the destroyed targets, but what exactly these stars mean - is unknown.

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BMPT-72 ("Terminator-2" fire support combat vehicle)

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Armored car "Tiger" with anti-tank missile complex "Kornet-D"

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Multifunctional unmanned reconnaissance and fire support combat module "Uran-9".
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:48 pm

Yup, Russia loves his military........... but why? It looks funny those military parades.
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:32 pm

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Yup, Russia loves his military........... but why? It looks funny those military parades.


Yeah, we do. We think those pride parades you guys have look funny (or just sick).

See, different cultures and different opinions of the same events.

Kinda shows that our respective cultures have differences that make it impossible for us to accept your values that you tried to force down our throats ;)
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:36 pm

Dutchy wrote:
tu204 wrote:
What is your opinion of the following:
A part of the Ukranian population did not like the President and decided to deal with this by staging a coup and overthrowing him.

Then when another part of your population in Eastern Ukraine did the exact same thing, taking over government building and so on, this new "government" in Kiev, which came to power by way of an armed coup, decided to use force against them, sending in the Army. Something that the overthrown President did not do by the way.

So please tell me, why do you think the people in the East of Ukraine do not have the right to do something, that others from your country did just a few months ago?


What is your opinion? Do people in Syria have the right to uprise against their dictator? Do people in Chechnia have that right? Do people in Crimea have the right to a fair referendum or all the other places Russia has intervened in the recent past?


Does not really matter what my opinion is. I first want to see what our Ukranian friend says.

Hint here is that you can't have it both ways.

Either you say that you can rise up, in which you agree that the coup in Kiev is valid, but so were the actions of the Eastern Ukraine against those that staged the coup. Or, if thats a no-no, then so was the coup in Kiev.
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:49 pm

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Dutchy wrote:
Yup, Russia loves his military........... but why? It looks funny those military parades.


Yeah, we do. We think those pride parades you guys have look funny (or just sick).

See, different cultures and different opinions of the same events.

Kinda shows that our respective cultures have differences that make it impossible for us to accept your values that you tried to force down our throats ;)


Gay pride isn't organized by the government, and that is thus a sign of freedom in the Netherlands. Freedom means that you accept other lifestyles. But if freedom isn't one of your values, that is up to you, I will call it a basic human right, but that isn't really a thing in Russia.

These military parades are from the Putin regime, of course, so totally different.
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:52 pm

tu204 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
tu204 wrote:
What is your opinion of the following:
A part of the Ukranian population did not like the President and decided to deal with this by staging a coup and overthrowing him.

Then when another part of your population in Eastern Ukraine did the exact same thing, taking over government building and so on, this new "government" in Kiev, which came to power by way of an armed coup, decided to use force against them, sending in the Army. Something that the overthrown President did not do by the way.

So please tell me, why do you think the people in the East of Ukraine do not have the right to do something, that others from your country did just a few months ago?


What is your opinion? Do people in Syria have the right to uprise against their dictator? Do people in Chechnia have that right? Do people in Crimea have the right to a fair referendum or all the other places Russia has intervened in the recent past?


Does not really matter what my opinion is. I first want to see what our Ukranian friend says.

Hint here is that you can't have it both ways.

Either you say that you can rise up, in which you agree that the coup in Kiev is valid, but so were the actions of the Eastern Ukraine against those that staged the coup. Or, if thats a no-no, then so was the coup in Kiev.


The same goes for Russians like yourselves, you can't have it both ways.
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:51 pm

The 10 graphs that explain Vladimir Putin's Russia:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/t ... ns-russia/
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:18 pm

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The 10 graphs that explain Vladimir Putin's Russia:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/t ... ns-russia/


Interesting that you post this article, doesn't paint a flattering picture of Putin's Russia. On the other hand, it emphasizes everything you have labeled a lie. Russia is a small country, economically, mostly dependent on oil and gas revenue, hugely corrupt and Putin isn't doing much economically. The average Russian makes a little bit more than an average Chinese. The only reason given for Putin's popularity is a revival of the old USSR, just like you Scipio.

Perhaps you should have to give google translate one more try and actually read the article before posting.....
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:20 pm

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Nope, these military parades are from the Russian culture. Going back centuries. Russian Empire, Soviet Union, Russian Federation.


Point being, government versus an individual freedom.
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:22 pm

Dutchy wrote:
tu204 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Yup, Russia loves his military........... but why? It looks funny those military parades.


Yeah, we do. We think those pride parades you guys have look funny (or just sick).

See, different cultures and different opinions of the same events.

Kinda shows that our respective cultures have differences that make it impossible for us to accept your values that you tried to force down our throats ;)


Gay pride isn't organized by the government, and that is thus a sign of freedom in the Netherlands. Freedom means that you accept other lifestyles. But if freedom isn't one of your values, that is up to you, I will call it a basic human right, but that isn't really a thing in Russia.

These military parades are from the Putin regime, of course, so totally different.


Nope, these military parades are from the Russian culture. Going back centuries. Russian Empire, Soviet Union, Russian Federation.
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:30 pm

Dutchy wrote:
tu204 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

What is your opinion? Do people in Syria have the right to uprise against their dictator? Do people in Chechnia have that right? Do people in Crimea have the right to a fair referendum or all the other places Russia has intervened in the recent past?


Does not really matter what my opinion is. I first want to see what our Ukranian friend says.

Hint here is that you can't have it both ways.

Either you say that you can rise up, in which you agree that the coup in Kiev is valid, but so were the actions of the Eastern Ukraine against those that staged the coup. Or, if thats a no-no, then so was the coup in Kiev.


The same goes for Russians like yourselves, you can't have it both ways.


Sure, the examples you gave though are not really that good.

Chechens have no wish to overthrow anyobe now, they are perfectly happy in the privalaged position they are in now.

Crimeans want nothing to do with Ukraine and overwhelmingly support the decision they made in 2014. If you wanna shoot your "unfair elections" bs or whatnot - go ahead. Lets say you are right and there was pressure, lets say that 10% were pressured to vote for sucession, thats a big number. That still leaves 85%.
What I am trying to get through to you is that you are the only one that doubts that the great majority of Crimeans wanted the hell out of Crimea.
Anyone that has ever been to Crimea will tell you that you are insane if you think that the majority did not want to leave Ukraine and join Russia.

I cannot comment on your Syrian example as I have not been there.
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:30 pm

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Chechens have no wish to overthrow anyobe now,
[...]
Crimeans want nothing to do with Ukraine and overwhelmingly support the decision they made in 2014.

I'll add the relevant part for the last piece: Now.,

Russia has actively had more russians move into both regions to improve the scenery. Russia was already dominant in Crimea since they had occupied it before and have for centuries, decimating and intimidating and killing the domestic population. Russian's were a majority or near majority is the active parts of Crimea even at the invasion. However even then, the Russian and domestic population preferred independence to Russia or Ukraine. However now that Russia has its steel boot on the necks of Crimean's (including the local Russian's) they "prefer" Russian rule to Ukrainian (no surprise since that is as corrupt, but more disorganized and less effective, than Russian) rule.

Chechnya is similar, it has been invaded and "Russian-washed", it still has pockets of discontent but the active population is Russian or connected to Russian interests and so "prefers" Russia. And if it didn't, the price would be high as it has been in the past. China does the same, and is doing so in Tibet and Xinjiang and Ningxia, sending many Han Chinese (Han Chinese are preferred over others in China) via incentives and direction.

It is a simple and age old practice.

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Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:24 am

Tugger wrote:
It is a simple and age old practice.


Yu..uup.

The most prominent example being the USA.
Completely displacing the indigenous population by force.
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Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:54 am

WIederling wrote:
Tugger wrote:
It is a simple and age old practice.


Yu..uup.

The most prominent example being the USA.
Completely displacing the indigenous population by force.
Remainders are shown off in reservations.


Yes, a nice whataboutism, just a few centuries off.
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Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:53 am

And another controversial move by the Putin regime:

Floating NUCLEAR PLANT labelled a ‘dangerous experiment’ by campaigners launches in Russia

A FLOATING nuclear power plant constructed in Russia has set sail on its maiden sea voyage.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/95 ... ower-plant

Another thread to the fragile north pole environment.
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Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:49 am

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And another controversial move by the Putin regime:

Floating NUCLEAR PLANT labelled a ‘dangerous experiment’ by campaigners launches in Russia

A FLOATING nuclear power plant constructed in Russia has set sail on its maiden sea voyage.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/95 ... ower-plant

Another thread to the fragile north pole environment.


Dutchy - please tell us that this is “democratic trolling”. The “regime” is not building any power plant - “doesn’t care about the life of its citizens”, now they build one - it’s “ecology threat”. This plant is to replace an older construction coal plant, with a zero-emission one. What’s your problem?

Nuclear power plant is perfectly justified since there is no infrastructure up in the North, and deliveries of oil/diesel/coal is just too expensive. And their “cleanliness” is just as questionable at best.
 
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what is democratic trolling? I just care about a fragile environment, you don't I guess. Unbelievable since your country is "host" to the worst nuclear disaster in history. Ever been there? I have, quite impressive.
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what is democratic trolling? I just care about a fragile environment, you don't I guess. Unbelievable since your country is "host" to the worst nuclear disaster in history. Ever been there? I have, quite impressive.


"Caring for environment" is quite a complex thing, Dutchy. Let's say we oppose nuclear energy - what's the alternative in Arctic conditions? Infrastructure/power lines are not there - nobody builds 5000 km power line per settlement of a few thousand (even tens of thousands) people who work in a remote port or a mine. And yes - these are the distances you operate with when talking about that region. Solar/wind/etc is also out of question really due to 6 months per year polar night.

Coal/diesel - what about emissions? Plus delivery of these things, waste haul-away - sometimes by sea, sometimes by trucks on ice roads, in tundra, permafrost. Does that not cause any damage - when tracks from a truck are still in the ground decades later? Top layers of permafrost melt under a truck's diesel, which affects lichens/mosses that grow there, and thus food chains of local deer? In this context such a powerplant can just be sailed there and sit for 50 years isn't worst of ideas. Sailing one to densely populated shores of, say, Baltic or North Sea - yes, your point is justified.

And in addition to electricity, that thing can also provide heat for the town, for which you would still need to burn fuel otherwise.
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:46 am

Simple solution: don't build in the Artic.

And it will sail by densely populated shores on its way to the Artic region.

So did you ever visit Chernobyl? If yes, what did you think about it?
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Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:37 am

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Simple solution: don't build in the Artic.

And it will sail by densely populated shores on its way to the Artic region.

So did you ever visit Chernobyl? If yes, what did you think about it?


Yes, Chernobyl was horrible. And Russia learned from it. Now our Nuclear Power Plants are the safest in the World. Confirmed by Rosatom's order book, with orders from all around the World for the forseable future.
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Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:52 am

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Dutchy wrote:
Simple solution: don't build in the Artic.

And it will sail by densely populated shores on its way to the Artic region.

So did you ever visit Chernobyl? If yes, what did you think about it?


Yes, Chernobyl was horrible. And Russia learned from it. Now our Nuclear Power Plants are the safest in the World. Confirmed by Rosatom's order book, with orders from all around the World for the forseable future.


Might be because they are cheap. You should not mess with nuclear power, certainly not in the Artic region.
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Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:58 am

Dutchy wrote:
tu204 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Simple solution: don't build in the Artic.

And it will sail by densely populated shores on its way to the Artic region.

So did you ever visit Chernobyl? If yes, what did you think about it?


Yes, Chernobyl was horrible. And Russia learned from it. Now our Nuclear Power Plants are the safest in the World. Confirmed by Rosatom's order book, with orders from all around the World for the forseable future.


Might be because they are cheap. You should not mess with nuclear power, certainly not in the Artic region.


It is the cleanest option. Besides solar and wind. Much better than using oil based fuels for the enviroment. And as far as cheap goes, yeah, they are cost effective. If you want to talk about safe, talk to the people of Fukusima ;)

Trust me, I am a fan of green. When I made a graph of "Canada" and "Russia", one of the only "-" I put under "Russia" was that Recycling isn't so popular here. Pissed me off so much that I actually went to the local administration and started a Recycling program for plastic and aluminium. Basically bought some containers that people throw the stuff iinto and then found a couple companies that take the stuff for free.
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Dutchy wrote:
tu204 wrote:

Yes, Chernobyl was horrible. And Russia learned from it. Now our Nuclear Power Plants are the safest in the World. Confirmed by Rosatom's order book, with orders from all around the World for the forseable future.


Might be because they are cheap. You should not mess with nuclear power, certainly not in the Artic region.


It is the cleanest option. Besides solar and wind. Much better than using oil based fuels for the enviroment. And as far as cheap goes, yeah, they are cost effective. If you want to talk about safe, talk to the people of Fukusima ;)

Trust me, I am a fan of green. When I made a graph of "Canada" and "Russia", one of the only "-" I put under "Russia" was that Recycling isn't so popular here. Pissed me off so much that I actually went to the local administration and started a Recycling program for plastic and aluminium. Basically bought some containers that people throw the stuff iinto and then found a couple companies that take the stuff for free.


Sure, Fukusima was horrible as well and stupid if I may add. Perfect example that we can't take every situation into account to make a nuclear fission perfectly save. The north pole, or arctic regions in general, are some of the most hostile places on earth, so don't mine there, don't drill for oil or gas, just leave it.

Good for you that you that you took the initiative to do something about recycling, I commend you for that. Now build Russia's economy about something else then fossil fuels, they are on their way out, certainly in the Arctic region.
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Tue May 01, 2018 2:15 pm

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Another thread to the fragile north pole environment.


Yes. That thread will keep things together.
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Tue May 01, 2018 3:28 pm

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Dutchy wrote:
Another thread to the fragile north pole environment.


Yes. That thread will keep things together.


Brilliant remark as always, that remark will be talked about forever :roll:

Perhaps you could make a real contribution to this thread?
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Perhaps you could make a real contribution to this thread?


After you. waiting impatiently.
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Tue May 01, 2018 3:55 pm

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Dutchy wrote:
Perhaps you could make a real contribution to this thread?


After you. waiting impatiently.


Always nice if one's expectations about someone are met, thank you.
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Re: From Russia with truth

Tue May 01, 2018 8:04 pm

Soviet supported by Nazi Germany invaded Finland, Baltic states an Poland in 1939. Soviet invaded Poland in early 1920s. Soviet supported the red in Finland civil war 1918.

After WW2 no states under red army rule was allowed full rule by their own populations.

Russia miss to point that NATO expension in 1990s was Soviet "allies" begging NATO to protect them.

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