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Member(s) of Congress being treated for Alzheimers

Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:06 pm

Congressional pharmacy has reportedly delivered Alzheimer’s drugs to members of Congress

By Christina Prignano

GLOBE STAFF

OCTOBER 11, 2017

A D.C. pharmacist says his pharmacy has filled prescriptions for “pretty serious health problems” for members of Congress, including drugs for Alzheimer’s disease, according to a new interview published in STAT news.

The pharmacist, Grubb’s Pharmacy owner Mike Kim, made the disclosure as part of a larger story into a perk afforded to lawmakers: Drugs from a community pharmacy are delivered to the office of the Attending Physician, allowing members of Congress to avoid trips to the store.

“At first it’s cool, and then you realize, I’m filling some drugs that are for some pretty serious health problems as well. And these are the people that are running the country,” Kim told STAT. “It makes you kind of sit back and say, ‘Wow, they’re making the highest laws of the land and they might not even remember what happened yesterday.’”

Those health problems have included things like Alzheimer’s disease and diabetes, Kim said, according to STAT.

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Re: Member(s) of Congress being treated for Alzheimers

Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:44 pm

Probably includes McConnell, Hatch, Pelosi, Reid, Leahy, Schumer, Waters, Franklin, Feinstein, Durbin, and Cummings,
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:59 am

This pharmacist needs to be disciplined. Have his licence taken away or something. We already know elected officials at the federal level receive extraordinary care that all Americans should enjoy but, Congressional Republicans keep saying it costs too darn much. Let's have that discussion and let's also discuss this breach of ethics by this pharmacist.
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:01 am

Just another reason to have term limits...
 
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:21 am

I'm sorry but I don't see why diabetes is mentioned, why would that prevent someone from making laws ?

Now something that affects the brain, obviously that's another story, but then again there are elections, if people are fine electing politicians that haven't all their head, who are we to say no ?
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:44 am

I can think of one US Senator who may have been showing signs for a while. Back in 2014, when MS's Cochran was running for reelection, I recall a reporter was struck by how absent-minded he was. During the same campaign rally, he staged himself in three different areas and all three times Thad Cochran greeted him as if he had never seen him before. Now, someone may defend that by saying that during campaigns you meet so many people, it's hard to keep track of faces, and I wholeheartedly agree when it's spread throughout different locations and times. But at the same venue? Same clothes? By the 3rd time, you should be able to catch on and say "Hey...haven't I seen you before?"
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:28 pm

Aesma wrote:
I'm sorry but I don't see why diabetes is mentioned, why would that prevent someone from making laws ?

Now something that affects the brain, obviously that's another story, but then again there are elections, if people are fine electing politicians that haven't all their head, who are we to say no ?


They're public servants, every aspect of their health is relevant and worthy of mention. It might not have a direct impact on one's cognitive abilities but at the same time I wouldn't want some geriatric representing me in congress who hasn't taken care of himself and is not going to be able to devote all of his efforts to his job because he has serious health problems. "Sorry I won't be in the chamber today folks, I'm having another toe amputated."
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:25 pm

I still stand by my original statement that the pharmacist interviewed should have action taken against him for releasing this kind of information. I think this is a violation of HIPPA. That said, I wonder if some of these are being filled for family members who can not afford medication?
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:54 pm

seb146 wrote:
I still stand by my original statement that the pharmacist interviewed should have action taken against him for releasing this kind of information. I think this is a violation of HIPPA. That said, I wonder if some of these are being filled for family members who can not afford medication?


He didn't name names, ergo no HIPAA violations.
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:03 pm

seb146 wrote:
I still stand by my original statement that the pharmacist interviewed should have action taken against him for releasing this kind of information. I think this is a violation of HIPPA. That said, I wonder if some of these are being filled for family members who can not afford medication?


For sure the pharmacy should be shut down, lose it's license and contract, the pharmacist should be fired and his license revoked. While he hasn't disclosed names, it is still a violation of HIPAA. In my work I have to keep confidential health info of employees and persons filing claims and lawsuits against my employer or I can be fired and referred for criminal charges.
Still the bigger issue is are there persons in office (all the way up to the President, no matter who) who have such serious physical and mental health problems that it prevents them from carrying out their jobs properly. For sure too many 'zombie' Senators and Congressmembers are or have been in office for too long and too old but stay on due to fears of losing their power or how they help their voters. I have long thought there should be, like with most state judges, commercial airline pilots, a maximum age one can serve in an elected or appointed Federal office holder including the President, cabinet members and Federal Judges of lets say 75 years old.
 
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:18 pm

ltbewr wrote:
seb146 wrote:
I still stand by my original statement that the pharmacist interviewed should have action taken against him for releasing this kind of information. I think this is a violation of HIPPA. That said, I wonder if some of these are being filled for family members who can not afford medication?


For sure the pharmacy should be shut down, lose it's license and contract, the pharmacist should be fired and his license revoked. While he hasn't disclosed names, it is still a violation of HIPAA. In my work I have to keep confidential health info of employees and persons filing claims and lawsuits against my employer or I can be fired and referred for criminal charges.
Still the bigger issue is are there persons in office (all the way up to the President, no matter who) who have such serious physical and mental health problems that it prevents them from carrying out their jobs properly. For sure too many 'zombie' Senators and Congressmembers are or have been in office for too long and too old but stay on due to fears of losing their power or how they help their voters. I have long thought there should be, like with most state judges, commercial airline pilots, a maximum age one can serve in an elected or appointed Federal office holder including the President, cabinet members and Federal Judges of lets say 75 years old.


I don't know about that. There are 50 year olds I would not trust to watch my pet rock and 90 year olds I would not be able to keep up with. Age ain't nothing but a number, as the saying goes. Strom Thurmond is an example of someone who should have been removed for health reasons, but John McCain, even with his health reasons, is still able to do his job.
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:20 pm

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seb146 wrote:
I still stand by my original statement that the pharmacist interviewed should have action taken against him for releasing this kind of information. I think this is a violation of HIPPA. That said, I wonder if some of these are being filled for family members who can not afford medication?


He didn't name names, ergo no HIPAA violations.


Are you sure? You are okay with everyone knowing your medical history or prescriptions filled even with your name not put out there? You don't think that is a violation of your privacy?
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:03 pm

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330west wrote:
seb146 wrote:
I still stand by my original statement that the pharmacist interviewed should have action taken against him for releasing this kind of information. I think this is a violation of HIPPA. That said, I wonder if some of these are being filled for family members who can not afford medication?


He didn't name names, ergo no HIPAA violations.


Are you sure?


The pharmacist doesn’t appear to have violated any patient privacy laws, which only restrict providing medical information that would identify a specific patient. (If he’d said which senator, for example, fills Alzheimer’s prescriptions, that would violate the law.)

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... pharmacist

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You are okay with everyone knowing your medical history or prescriptions filled even with your name not put out there? You don't think that is a violation of your privacy?


In the context of 535 of my peers, I'd be fine with it and if I was running for substantive public office, I'd put my entire medical record out there and encourage my opponent to do the same.
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:14 pm

Aesma wrote:
if people are fine electing politicians that haven't all their head, who are we to say no ?


Well, "the people" elected Trump as President, so yes, they seem to be fine with it. :wink2:
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:42 pm

Let's be honest here, people. This isn't a Democrat or Republican thing. This is the fact that the ruling class lives by its own set of rules, we peasants be damned.

They should be subjected to drug tests to hold their offices, there should be a fitness for duty exam past a certain age, and yeah, term limits would be great but that's not happening from a practical standpoint.

I recommend stinging your senile old elected oligarchs and embarrass them. Even then it won't matter; just this week Pelosi was humiliated because she's a total senile moron but the electorate will keep pulling the lever for her.

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Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:52 pm

slider wrote:
Let's be honest here, people. This isn't a Democrat or Republican thing. This is the fact that the ruling class lives by its own set of rules, we peasants be damned.

They should be subjected to drug tests to hold their office.


I think I'd rather have the type of senator or congressman who enjoys a little herb or coke or molly from time to time than a pious little b**** who so ignorantly clams that good people don't smoke marijuana.
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ltbewr wrote:
seb146 wrote:
I still stand by my original statement that the pharmacist interviewed should have action taken against him for releasing this kind of information. I think this is a violation of HIPPA. That said, I wonder if some of these are being filled for family members who can not afford medication?


For sure the pharmacy should be shut down, lose it's license and contract, the pharmacist should be fired and his license revoked. While he hasn't disclosed names, it is still a violation of HIPAA. In my work I have to keep confidential health info of employees and persons filing claims and lawsuits against my employer or I can be fired and referred for criminal charges.


When you have 535 elected members in the House & Senate there will be a natural distribution of health conditions so saying that there are some elected officials who are taking meds for Diabetes in no way news worthy in terms of the elected group or people. I bet there are also some taking the "Pill", some on heart meds, bp meds, and, or corse, Viagra.

The only elected official who should have a full disclosure of annual physicals by competent White House Physicians would be the President,

IMO there is no harm from the article and neither the Pharmacy nor the Pharmacist should get in trouble.
 
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Ken777 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
seb146 wrote:
I still stand by my original statement that the pharmacist interviewed should have action taken against him for releasing this kind of information. I think this is a violation of HIPPA. That said, I wonder if some of these are being filled for family members who can not afford medication?


For sure the pharmacy should be shut down, lose it's license and contract, the pharmacist should be fired and his license revoked. While he hasn't disclosed names, it is still a violation of HIPAA. In my work I have to keep confidential health info of employees and persons filing claims and lawsuits against my employer or I can be fired and referred for criminal charges.


When you have 535 elected members in the House & Senate there will be a natural distribution of health conditions so saying that there are some elected officials who are taking meds for Diabetes in no way news worthy in terms of the elected group or people. I bet there are also some taking the "Pill", some on heart meds, bp meds, and, or corse, Viagra.


There's a big difference between a sloppy old man with diabetes, heart problems or high blood pressure and a woman on "the pill."
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:51 pm

Not really. All can be on meds that address their needs.

BTW, meds for Diabetes can be for younger members of Congress who, maybe, was given a Dx while in elementary school and an older woman could be on the Pill because of issues other than pregnancy. Automatic assumptions about issues in medicine can miss the mark by a mile.
 
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:39 am

People develop heart problems, cancer and diabetes. People eat right, sleep, exercise and still develop diseases like those. Paul Ryan looks pretty healthy but he could be diabetic. Tom Cotton could have high blood pressure, and he is in his early 40s. And "the pill" has been shown to help women with a number of issues.

Other than a pharmacist with a big mouth, why is this even a thing?
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:39 am

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This pharmacist needs to be disciplined. Have his licence taken away or something. We already know elected officials at the federal level receive extraordinary care that all Americans should enjoy but, Congressional Republicans keep saying it costs too darn much. Let's have that discussion and let's also discuss this breach of ethics by this pharmacist.


I think he’s whistleblowing, surely American citizens should know that the people that they vote for are in good mental health, a person with Alzheimer’s or similar mental issues should be removed from office quick smart.
 
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:54 am

While I believe congressional candidates and public officials should have their health record out in the open (we request it from presidential candidates, why not Senators and Reps?), it should either be because it's required or they voluntarily put it out there, not due to whistleblowing.
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:01 pm

There is another point here that should be introduced:

This is the level of health care members of Congress receive on our dime vs. the level of health care we receive on our dime. Members of Congress can afford treatments for things like diabetes and cancer and Alzheimers and so forth because they have it payed for and get like every other week off while we who work can not afford those treatments and still have to work nearly every day. Isn't that a problem for anyone?
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