moo wrote:TheFlyingDisk wrote:moo wrote:If he was as clueless as you think he was, why did he move so far off the racing line to the inside of turn 1? Obviously he was blocking somebody, ergo he must have know a collision was a possibility. He's been in enough races to know that some drivers start better than others. The reality is that it was an unnecessary risk. He didn't need to move so far across the track, and as a result he has to bear some responsibility.
I've seen many drivers squeezing the next car to get a better position for the first corner. Schumacher did it, even Hamilton did it. In fact Vettel didn't even touch Verstappen - his car was already clear of the Red Bull & if Verstappen had not moved further to the left he would also have missed Raikkonen. Both Ferraris would have made the first corner.
Oh, this bull again.
Vettel get what he deserved - no points. Of his own making. Nuff said really.
If Vettel hadn't moved over, all three cars would have made the corner.
Didn't you read what I've written? Vettel was clear of Verstappen before Verstappen collided with Raikkonen. Had Verstappen not moved further left he would have missed both Vettel & Raikkonen. To blame Vettel totally for what happened in Singapore is foolish, and to say that Hamilton wasn't lucky in Singapore is also denying what had happened.
Plus, what Vettel did had been done by other drivers before, even Hamilton.
moo wrote:TheFlyingDisk wrote:Rosberg won the GP2 championship the year before Hamilton but had to slum it with Williams for four years before joining Mercedes and enduring the long development period before it became what it is today. Is he not good enough that he had to grow their talent to F1 level?
Same goes for Vettel - sure he made his debut with BMW Sauber & impressed everyone with his speed, but once BMW left he had to slum it with Toro Rosso for two seasons. Is he not as talented that he is required to grow his talent by driving for a midfield team?
If both were as talented as Hamilton, why didn't they get snapped up by a front row team straight from a lower championship?
Hamilton delivered 4 wins, 12 podiums and 2nd place in the Drivers Championship in his maiden F1 year - if Rosberg and Vettel were capable of that, any front row team would have jumped on them.
Because they didn't have godfather Ron Dennis, which is important in the age of only one or two truly competitive teams. Sure Nico has his F1 World Champion father to pull some strings but I guess Keke's pull wasn't as strong as he'd like. As for Vettel, when BMW pulled out he lost out because it was BMW who got him into F1. Without it, and with the top teams locked tight he had to settle for Toro Rosso. At least Vettel proved his worth by winning in a car that was never going to win a race.
But to you and the others, that makes Rosberg & Vettel lesser drivers than Hamilton. That's what annoys me to no end, the gushing over Hamilton as if he has no peer.
Besides, Jacques Villeneuve did the exact same thing as Hamilton in his rookie season 21 years ago - so is Jacques Villeneuve in the same league as Lewis Hamilton?
moo wrote:TheFlyingDisk wrote:There's no doubt that Hamilton's talented, but to say he's far ahead of the others just because he won more races or got more poles doesn't do justice to the other drivers, especially since he had the best machine that allowed him to notch all those wins while the others were only able to scrabble for the scraps. That was what zkojq meant when it's not the spirit of F1.
Your point is? F1 isn't a spec sport - the cars aren't bought off the rack and intended to be identical.
If a driver cannot attract a team willing to put a race winning car at their finger tips, then that driver isn't deserving of having a race winning car at their fingertips. There is a *reason* the top teams *pay* their drivers rather than employ drivers that bring sponsorship.
If you want to bitch and moan about how unfair it is that some drivers have to slum it in second rate teams, then go watch a spec sport - and take your nonsense about "spirit" with you, because thats where it belongs.
This is F1. You seem to want something else.
You totally missed the point completely.
Well go ahead & enjoy the death of F1 because such attitude is the very reason why the sport is dying a slow death.