KFLLCFII
Topic Author
Posts: 3314
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:08 am

SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:02 am

The island of St. Maarten/St. Martin and SXM have taken a direct hit of one of the most powerful tropical cyclones ever to make landfall, with sustained winds of 185 mph / 295 km/h and gusts up to 225 mph / 362 km/h.

Image

Image


The island is presently in the western eyewall, and is about to receive the relative calm of the eye. After eye passage, the wind will change direction, and they will pass through the eyewall on the "back side" which is generally stronger than the first eyewall passage with even-greater storm surge.

I pray for the residents of that Caribbean jewel, and my thoughts are with those kind people who I met early last year. Their lives will certainly not be the same for a very long time.


BULLETIN
Hurricane Irma Advisory Number 29
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL112017
500 AM AST Wed Sep 06 2017

...EYE OF POTENTIALLY CATASTROPHIC CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE IRMA
MOVING AWAY FROM BARBUDA AND TOWARD ST. MARTIN...


SUMMARY OF 500 AM AST...0900 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...17.9N 62.6W
ABOUT 35 MI...55 KM ESE OF ST. MARTIN
ABOUT 145 MI...235 KM E OF ST. CROIX
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...185 MPH...295 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 285 DEGREES AT 16 MPH...26 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...914 MB...26.99 INCHES

EYE DIAMETER 25 NM
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS 160 KT (185MPH / 295KM/H) WITH GUSTS TO 195 KT (225 MPH / 362 KM/H).

Source
"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
 
ogre727
Posts: 545
Joined: Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:43 pm

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:42 am

That is really sad. I hope people prepared. Not a religious man so no prayers from me, but wishing them all the best.
I am between the devil and the deep blue sea
 
User avatar
casinterest
Posts: 5830
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:30 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:15 pm

ogre727 wrote:
That is really sad. I hope people prepared. Not a religious man so no prayers from me, but wishing them all the best.


The British virgin islands and Southern Bahamas are going to take a beating from this. The current models are predicting a close shave for Florida, and a hit along the Carolinas at this point.

It's going to be a long week.
Older than I just was ,and younger than I will soo be.
 
User avatar
Aesma
Posts: 9335
Joined: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:14 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:10 pm

Saint Martin was in the eye during the midday news in metropolitan France, they showed a chaotic marina, with the quay flooded, boats in shambles...
New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
 
User avatar
casinterest
Posts: 5830
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:30 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:37 pm

Aesma wrote:
Saint Martin was in the eye during the midday news in metropolitan France, they showed a chaotic marina, with the quay flooded, boats in shambles...

Pics of the airport are starting to appear on twitter. They took HEAVY damage to the terminal and gates/
Older than I just was ,and younger than I will soo be.
 
sccutler
Posts: 5660
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2000 12:16 pm

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:01 pm

There is no true "preparation" for storm of this magnitude, other than leaving.

I've weathered on hurricane, and that was two too many. Prayers for those who remained are entirely appropriate.
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
 
User avatar
northstardc4m
Posts: 2897
Joined: Fri Apr 28, 2000 11:23 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:10 pm

casinterest wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Saint Martin was in the eye during the midday news in metropolitan France, they showed a chaotic marina, with the quay flooded, boats in shambles...

Pics of the airport are starting to appear on twitter. They took HEAVY damage to the terminal and gates/


Any link? It's not coming up through my follows?

Edit: NVM as soon as i posted some started to come up... geez looks like the whole terminal got flooded.
Last edited by northstardc4m on Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
 
User avatar
einsteinboricua
Posts: 5822
Joined: Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:11 pm

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:14 pm

As a meteorologist, I gotta say: that is one beautiful storm. I wish I had been on the island to go through the eye. The island was able to fit inside the eye so for a brief period, all was calm.
"You haven't seen a tree until you've seen its shadow from the sky."
 
wingman
Posts: 3241
Joined: Thu May 27, 1999 4:25 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:10 pm

I trust KLM didn't try to land in this one.
 
User avatar
Dutchy
Posts: 3783
Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:25 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:31 pm

wingman wrote:
I trust KLM didn't try to land in this one.


Haha, well played.
Many happy landings, greetings from The Netherlands!
 
bmacleod
Posts: 2871
Joined: Sat Aug 25, 2001 3:10 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:52 pm

"What good are wings without the courage to fly?" - Atticus
 
User avatar
casinterest
Posts: 5830
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:30 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:58 pm

bmacleod wrote:


https://www.google.com/maps/@18.0686802 ... a=!3m1!1e3

I would imagine it took substantial damage
Older than I just was ,and younger than I will soo be.
 
User avatar
Aesma
Posts: 9335
Joined: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:14 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:29 pm

I wonder if Trump will change his mind about climate change ?
New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
 
ANITIX87
Posts: 2983
Joined: Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:52 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:37 pm

Aesma wrote:
I wonder if Trump will change his mind about climate change ?

Weather is not climate change. Having reached Letter I of the Storm Naming alphabet is hardly unusual enough to even be considered a pattern. I am not a climate change denier, so I'm not saying there's no such thing, but let's keep this on topic with thoughts and prayers for St. Martin and other islands/people affected.
www.stellaryear.com: Canon EOS 50D, Canon EOS 5DMkII, Sigma 50mm 1.4, Canon 24-70 2.8L II, Canon 100mm 2.8L, Canon 100-4
 
User avatar
casinterest
Posts: 5830
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:30 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:18 pm

Apparently Branson is riding it out.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... staff.html
Older than I just was ,and younger than I will soo be.
 
User avatar
enilria
Posts: 7628
Joined: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:15 pm

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:50 pm

ANITIX87 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
I wonder if Trump will change his mind about climate change ?

Weather is not climate change. Having reached Letter I of the Storm Naming alphabet is hardly unusual enough to even be considered a pattern. I am not a climate change denier, so I'm not saying there's no such thing, but let's keep this on topic with thoughts and prayers for St. Martin and other islands/people affected.

400,000 people died in a typhoon in 1970. I don't think we are anywhere remotely near that level of destruction.
 
jetmatt777
Support
Posts: 3250
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:16 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:51 pm

Wow this is terrible. I hope the people are able to recover. So sad. That much damage on a relatively small island will present many challenges not only for relief efforts but as well as the overall rebuilding.

Going on vacation there in February, obviously some things will be very different.
Lighten up while you still can, don't even try to understand, just find a place to make your stand and take it easy
 
jumbojet
Posts: 2059
Joined: Mon Dec 29, 2003 3:01 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:59 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
Going on vacation there in February, obviously some things will be very different.


Me next month. I sadly cancelled my hotel reservation this morning.
 
jetmatt777
Support
Posts: 3250
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:16 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:04 pm

jumbojet wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:
Going on vacation there in February, obviously some things will be very different.


Me next month. I sadly cancelled my hotel reservation this morning.


I'm going via cruise, SXM is a long day in Port. I'm sure they will have the port reopened, as it will be the most critical piece of infrastructure to getting relief and supplies and eventually construction materials. But I bet many businesses will still be closed down.
Lighten up while you still can, don't even try to understand, just find a place to make your stand and take it easy
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Moderator
Posts: 25571
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:06 pm

Well the airport is significantly damaged. A big mess:

Image

Image

Image
What we leave behind is not as important as how we've lived.
 
AC143
Posts: 19
Joined: Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:20 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:29 pm

This is so sad, SXM airport is always on my bucket list. Best wishes to all the people on the island and other places affected by the hurricane.
MD82 E175 E190 A319 A320 A321 A332 A333 B733 B73G B738 B74M B763 B772 B77W B789
 
User avatar
Tugger
Posts: 6993
Joined: Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:38 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:29 pm

This may sound trivial with the damage that had been done but I wonder how Maho beach is now. Often something like this completely reshape beaches.

My thoughts are with everyone. I have friends who live in PR but it looks like PR will be OK overall, just storm damage.

Tugg
I don’t know that I am unafraid to be myself, but it is hard to be somebody else. -W. Shatner
 
Redd
Posts: 509
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:40 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:29 pm

I always wondered why the building techniques in hurricane prone areas are built in the North American style like this

Image

European homes are built like bunkers and don't have the same potential of being damaged or completely destroyed. Would make sense to use the same construction techniques in areas which are hit by hard storms every decade or so. It costs more to build but they're safe and very sturdy, and I would imagine greatly minimize damage and injury/deaths in areas hit by hard storms and hurricanes.

Image
 
DoctorVenkman
Posts: 66
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2016 10:10 pm

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:30 pm

Redd wrote:
I always wondered why the building techniques in hurricane prone areas are built in the North American style like this


European homes are built like bunkers and don't have the same potential of being damaged or completely destroyed. Would make sense to use the same construction techniques in areas which are hit by hard storms every decade or so. It costs more to build but they're safe and very sturdy, and I would imagine greatly minimize damage and injury/deaths in areas hit by hard storms and hurricanes.



Concrete block construction does much better against hurricanes but is much more dangerous during earthquakes. Look at Haiti for an example of how concrete block structures basically disintegrate during a strong earthquake.
 
User avatar
jetmechanicdave
Moderator
Posts: 47
Joined: Thu May 17, 2012 4:27 pm

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:34 pm

Sending prayers....how terrible.
Aircraft Mechanic and Airliners.net Forum Moderator
 
ImperialEagle
Posts: 2299
Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:53 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:44 pm

Tugger wrote:
This may sound trivial with the damage that had been done but I wonder how Maho beach is now. Often something like this completely reshape beaches.

My thoughts are with everyone. I have friends who live in PR but it looks like PR will be OK overall, just storm damage.

Tugg



Well, it's all the excuse they need to re-route the road or eliminate the one on the beach, altogether. It will be nothing when included in the big renovation picture.
The fence-riders missed it. They could have ridden the fence for hours in Irma's wind.
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough!"
 
Okie
Posts: 3742
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:30 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:44 pm

DoctorVenkman wrote:
Concrete block construction does much better against hurricanes but is much more dangerous during earthquakes. Look at Haiti for an example of how concrete block structures basically disintegrate during a strong earthquake


Does not have to be a strong earthquake.
We had a builder here build a "tornado proof" structure. Was suppose to handle a F5 tornado.
A 4.0 earthquake destroyed it and brought it to the ground. No other structures even had a broken piece of glass much less any structural issue. We have had 5's and 6's without structural issues except on some older structures and not many of those other than loose fascia materials.


Okie
 
User avatar
ER757
Posts: 2756
Joined: Tue May 10, 2005 10:16 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:48 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
jumbojet wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:
Going on vacation there in February, obviously some things will be very different.


Me next month. I sadly cancelled my hotel reservation this morning.


I'm going via cruise, SXM is a long day in Port. I'm sure they will have the port reopened, as it will be the most critical piece of infrastructure to getting relief and supplies and eventually construction materials. But I bet many businesses will still be closed down.

A cruise I was on in December 2005 stopped in Cozumel a few weeks after a hurricane hit there and the dock areas were destroyed, we had to anchor off-shore and go ashore via tenders. Many of the shops and restaurants were still closed and there was much damage visible. I was pretty surprised a different port of call was not substituted. Had a great time there just the same, went biking and snorkeling - the reefs were surprisingly intact.
Hope the good folks in SXM get through this and get back on their feet as soon as possible.
 
Redd
Posts: 509
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:40 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:02 pm

DoctorVenkman wrote:
Redd wrote:
I always wondered why the building techniques in hurricane prone areas are built in the North American style like this


European homes are built like bunkers and don't have the same potential of being damaged or completely destroyed. Would make sense to use the same construction techniques in areas which are hit by hard storms every decade or so. It costs more to build but they're safe and very sturdy, and I would imagine greatly minimize damage and injury/deaths in areas hit by hard storms and hurricanes.



Concrete block construction does much better against hurricanes but is much more dangerous during earthquakes. Look at Haiti for an example of how concrete block structures basically disintegrate during a strong earthquake.



Steel reinforced concrete block supposedly solves the problem.

Image

Regardless, wood framed homes don;t stand up to hurricanes, concrete-block don't stand up to earthquakes. If homes are built in an area with a potential of both natural disasters steel reinforced concrete is the perfect solution. Hurricane and earthquake resistant.
 
tapairbus370
Posts: 55
Joined: Fri May 09, 2008 1:37 pm

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:30 pm

Just found this, It´s a flightradar24 mistake I think.

http://www.flightradar24.com/BWA457/ec34f84
 
LTCM
Posts: 20
Joined: Sat Jul 29, 2017 5:35 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:40 pm

Redd wrote:
I always wondered why the building techniques in hurricane prone areas are built in the North American style like this

Image

European homes are built like bunkers and don't have the same potential of being damaged or completely destroyed. Would make sense to use the same construction techniques in areas which are hit by hard storms every decade or so. It costs more to build but they're safe and very sturdy, and I would imagine greatly minimize damage and injury/deaths in areas hit by hard storms and hurricanes.

Image


At least in the states, there are very few deaths due to structure damage, so concrete block houses wouldn't lower fatalities. Almost all deaths are due to flooding, electrocution (why the authorities now cut the power before the storm), and vehicle accidents in standing water.

Beyond that, modern homes in hurricane areas are amazingly strong. Most damage is to the roof structure and windows. Roofs turn to sails or are punctured by trees. Again, something which isn't solved with concrete blocks. Most of these new homes are built on stilts so flooding isn't damaging to the structure. That also makes concrete difficult to work with because it needs a foundation with little flex.
Last edited by LTCM on Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.
 
Jalap
Posts: 384
Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:25 pm

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:41 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Well the airport is significantly damaged. A big mess:

Image

Image

Image


I fear those photos were made in the eye of the storm, with the 2nd part yet to come. Definitly the last 2 photos were on twitter too soon to be after the storm. Communications infrasturcture was destroyed later, very little has come out since.

It is an unimaginable catastrophy and I can't imagine the terror the people on the islands went through for hours. Hope damage will be just infrastucture and most people are safe.
 
Jalap
Posts: 384
Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:25 pm

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:08 pm

ANITIX87 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
I wonder if Trump will change his mind about climate change ?

Weather is not climate change. Having reached Letter I of the Storm Naming alphabet is hardly unusual enough to even be considered a pattern. I am not a climate change denier, so I'm not saying there's no such thing, but let's keep this on topic with thoughts and prayers for St. Martin and other islands/people affected.

Imo it's justified to look at the greater perspective too.
I agree that a single weather event means nothing to climate. Yet when I check wiki, seems there have been 10 cat 5 hurricanes since 2000. Count back 10 more, I end up in 1967, 33 years earlier. Count back 10 more, I end up in 1932, 35 years.

The pattern over nearly 100 years of observations seems to show (if the numbers are accurate) that cat 5 hurricanes are twice as common nowadays than they were 100 years ago. The number of observations probably is too small to consider it an undeniable consequense of global warming. Nevertheless, one can't toss those numbers aside either. I would be very irresponsible to toss those numbers aside.
 
Redd
Posts: 509
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:40 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:11 pm

LTCM wrote:
Redd wrote:
I always wondered why the building techniques in hurricane prone areas are built in the North American style like this

Image

European homes are built like bunkers and don't have the same potential of being damaged or completely destroyed. Would make sense to use the same construction techniques in areas which are hit by hard storms every decade or so. It costs more to build but they're safe and very sturdy, and I would imagine greatly minimize damage and injury/deaths in areas hit by hard storms and hurricanes.

Image


At least in the states, there are very few deaths due to structure damage, so concrete block houses wouldn't lower fatalities. Almost all deaths are due to flooding, electrocution (why the authorities now cut the power before the storm), and vehicle accidents in standing water.

Beyond that, modern homes in hurricane areas are amazingly strong. Most damage is to the roof structure and windows. Roofs turn to sails or are punctured by trees. Again, something which isn't solved with concrete blocks. Most of these new homes are built on stilts so flooding isn't damaging to the structure. That also makes concrete difficult to work with because it needs a foundation with little flex.



Agree with the roof structures, but in the EU they're built as solid as the concrete blocks. North American standard roofs are not certifiable, an American or Canadian roof wouldn't be able to handle the loads of the roof tiles used in most of the EU. The roof structures here are surprisingly built very heavy duty.

Image
 
NoTime
Posts: 382
Joined: Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:21 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:25 pm

Jalap wrote:
ANITIX87 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
I wonder if Trump will change his mind about climate change ?

Weather is not climate change. Having reached Letter I of the Storm Naming alphabet is hardly unusual enough to even be considered a pattern. I am not a climate change denier, so I'm not saying there's no such thing, but let's keep this on topic with thoughts and prayers for St. Martin and other islands/people affected.

Imo it's justified to look at the greater perspective too.
I agree that a single weather event means nothing to climate. Yet when I check wiki, seems there have been 10 cat 5 hurricanes since 2000. Count back 10 more, I end up in 1967, 33 years earlier. Count back 10 more, I end up in 1932, 35 years.

The pattern over nearly 100 years of observations seems to show (if the numbers are accurate) that cat 5 hurricanes are twice as common nowadays than they were 100 years ago. The number of observations probably is too small to consider it an undeniable consequense of global warming. Nevertheless, one can't toss those numbers aside either. I would be very irresponsible to toss those numbers aside.


I wonder how much of that is due to the fact that we have much better observations now? 100 years ago, if a CAT 5 formed out in the Atlantic and never made landfall, did we know if it was a CAT 5? Another number you have to consider is the lack of hurricanes hitting the US over the last decade... we are essentially due for a big one. Is climate change responsible for fewer hurricanes hitting the US?

On a side note, regarding better observations, if you haven't checked out the GOES16 data coming in about these hurricanes, you should look it up. It's pretty fascinating. (here's just one vid - https://youtu.be/QOJLX8MggGg)

Anyhow - thoughts, prayers and good vibes to those in the path of this thing.
 
User avatar
Aesma
Posts: 9335
Joined: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:14 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:51 pm

Hurricanes are caused by warm waters. Water is getting warmer. More powerful hurricanes is the result.

My concrete house (part concrete blocks, part steel reinforced slabs) has a flat, concrete roof : the wind doesn't affect it. Not that there are hurricanes here.
New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
 
User avatar
kasimir
Posts: 280
Joined: Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:07 pm

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:57 pm

A video was posted not long ago at the end of the day, showing the damage on St. Maarten around the downtown and harbor area:
http://www.facebook.com/omyhomey/videos ... 923577260/

The damage is very significant and I understand that the French side is even worst off, there are even reports of fatalities on Saint Martin (French side).
 
User avatar
Aesma
Posts: 9335
Joined: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:14 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:45 pm

Yes president Macron made a short conference hinting at massive damage and fatalities.
New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
 
Corpsnerd09
Posts: 517
Joined: Tue Mar 30, 2004 2:05 pm

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:08 am

ANITIX87 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
I wonder if Trump will change his mind about climate change ?

Weather is not climate change. Having reached Letter I of the Storm Naming alphabet is hardly unusual enough to even be considered a pattern. I am not a climate change denier, so I'm not saying there's no such thing, but let's keep this on topic with thoughts and prayers for St. Martin and other islands/people affected.


We're actually up to letter K, and the season goes on until December (and may extend into January in some years). Late August/Early September is the peak of the season... And Irma isn't your typical Hurricane, she's a record breaker... Harvey was, too.
 
User avatar
EA CO AS
Posts: 14230
Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:54 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:21 am

Tugger wrote:
This may sound trivial with the damage that had been done but I wonder how Maho beach is now. Often something like this completely reshape beaches.

Tugg


Maho Beach typically gets eroded down to just large rocks by the end of summer, then wave action brings the sand back in gradually during the winter. I'd imagine it just looks like a huge pile of boulders today.
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan

Comments made here are my own and are not intended to represent the official position of Alaska Air Group
 
NoTime
Posts: 382
Joined: Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:21 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:07 am

Corpsnerd09 wrote:
ANITIX87 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
I wonder if Trump will change his mind about climate change ?

Weather is not climate change. Having reached Letter I of the Storm Naming alphabet is hardly unusual enough to even be considered a pattern. I am not a climate change denier, so I'm not saying there's no such thing, but let's keep this on topic with thoughts and prayers for St. Martin and other islands/people affected.


We're actually up to letter K, and the season goes on until December (and may extend into January in some years). Late August/Early September is the peak of the season... And Irma isn't your typical Hurricane, she's a record breaker... Harvey was, too.


How was Harvey a record breaker? I'm assuming you mean the rainfall? Harvey didn't have more rain than a typical hurricane... the only reason it broke rainfall records was because there was a blocking high pressure system in place, and I haven't yet seen a global-warming proponent try to link that with climate change.

Regarding Irma, the models have shifted just a little and have the storm turning north a little sooner. Unfortunately, this could lead to a direct hit on Miami or my beloved Fort Lauderdale. But, if things continue moving eastward, maybe southern Florida will be spared a direct hit altogether. It also looks like they're predicting it to drop to a CAT 4 by the time it hits the US mainland. I guess that's good news... considering the alternative.
 
User avatar
kasimir
Posts: 280
Joined: Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:07 pm

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:27 am

NoTime wrote:
Corpsnerd09 wrote:
ANITIX87 wrote:
Weather is not climate change. Having reached Letter I of the Storm Naming alphabet is hardly unusual enough to even be considered a pattern. I am not a climate change denier, so I'm not saying there's no such thing, but let's keep this on topic with thoughts and prayers for St. Martin and other islands/people affected.


We're actually up to letter K, and the season goes on until December (and may extend into January in some years). Late August/Early September is the peak of the season... And Irma isn't your typical Hurricane, she's a record breaker... Harvey was, too.


How was Harvey a record breaker? I'm assuming you mean the rainfall? Harvey didn't have more rain than a typical hurricane... the only reason it broke rainfall records was because there was a blocking high pressure system in place, and I haven't yet seen a global-warming proponent try to link that with climate change.

Regarding Irma, the models have shifted just a little and have the storm turning north a little sooner. Unfortunately, this could lead to a direct hit on Miami or my beloved Fort Lauderdale. But, if things continue moving eastward, maybe southern Florida will be spared a direct hit altogether. It also looks like they're predicting it to drop to a CAT 4 by the time it hits the US mainland. I guess that's good news... considering the alternative.


I expect Irma to hit Florida, its the question if the eye goes over Miami or East Florida, but a Cat4 hurricane is still very strong.

I also read somewhere that most construction cranes in Miami are not hurricane proof and if not taken down, might collapse during the hurricane...
 
jackieman27
Posts: 35
Joined: Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:34 pm

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:33 am

Any more updates from SXM?
 
dragon6172
Posts: 850
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:56 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:43 am

kasimir wrote:
I also read somewhere that most construction cranes in Miami are not hurricane proof and if not taken down, might collapse during the hurricane...

I saw the news report on this also. Apparently the cranes are only required to withstand 145 mph winds. Not sure if that is steady state or gusts.
Phrogs Phorever
 
NoTime
Posts: 382
Joined: Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:21 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:53 am

kasimir wrote:
I also read somewhere that most construction cranes in Miami are not hurricane proof and if not taken down, might collapse during the hurricane...


If true... wow... how does that get approved? That would be a colossal case of negligence.

jackieman27 wrote:
Any more updates from SXM?


I've seen stuff reporting that 50% of homes in Barbuda are destroyed. Granted, the population is tiny, but I would imagine similar results at SXM.
 
kcinh
Posts: 7
Joined: Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:31 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:10 am

Almost 90% of buildings in Barbuda are destroyed, but luckily the bigger and more populated island Antigua has way less damage.
 
N757ST
Posts: 502
Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2002 6:00 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:12 am

jackieman27 wrote:
Any more updates from SXM?


Here's a video from what's left of the Sunset looking at what's left of the Sonesta. The Sonesta will be closed until at least the end of the year.

https://youtu.be/YnKwhaTCqaM
 
KDTWflyer
Posts: 818
Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:51 pm

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:16 am

I really feel for the people of SXM! I'm actually a little surprised the damage isn't worse than what they are showing. At least St. Maarten has a topographic advantage compared to the Bahamas. Check out how insane the eye of Irma looks as shown from the GOES-16 satellite -- https://twitter.com/tflyer85/status/905610847677972481
NW B744 B742 B753 B752 A333 A332 A320 A319 DC10 DC9 ARJ CRJ S340
 
shamrock137
Posts: 269
Joined: Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:10 am

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:18 am

Redd wrote:

Agree with the roof structures, but in the EU they're built as solid as the concrete blocks. North American standard roofs are not certifiable, an American or Canadian roof wouldn't be able to handle the loads of the roof tiles used in most of the EU. The roof structures here are surprisingly built very heavy duty.


Curious as to what you mean by not certifiable. Building codes in hurricane prone areas generally require metal hurricane straps, and extra fasteners per shingle or tile. European roof designs rely on gravity to hold the structure together. Roof straps provide reinforcement for upward forces often found in hurricanes.
Time to spare? Go by air!
 
jackieman27
Posts: 35
Joined: Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:34 pm

Re: SXM/St. Maarten Has Taken a Direct Hit of 185mph/295km/h Cat-5 Hurricane Irma

Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:27 am

N757ST wrote:
jackieman27 wrote:
Any more updates from SXM?


Here's a video from what's left of the Sunset looking at what's left of the Sonesta. The Sonesta will be closed until at least the end of the year.

https://youtu.be/YnKwhaTCqaM


Wow. Does not look good. You can also see a little bit of Maho Beach, I don't suspect it will dissappear completely. Maybe just a little more rocky for the rest of the season.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Aesma, BlueLine, DarkSnowyNight, tommy1808 and 46 guests

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos